Men, Find Liberation and Freedom! With Dr. Kevin Harrison

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Welcome to A Word in Season with Doug Stringer and friends. We share good news and godly

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wisdom to empower you to be salt and light in every season of life.

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Men are less likely to join a church men's group that offers help with porn addiction

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due to the guilt and shame associated with biblical sin. More men at church on Sunday

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are likely to have viewed pornography in the past week than to have opened their Bibles.

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Even as Dr. Kevin Harrison and Doug talk about pure manhood, a 100% confidential resource

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for men struggling with pornography, don't miss the opportunity to learn how to minister

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to men and their families. After the episode, check out our show notes on your favorite

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streaming platform and visit a wordinseasonpodcast.org to download a free 30-day devotional that

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will encourage you to draw closer to the Lord. If you've cleaned anything from this podcast,

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consider paying it forward with a gift at somebodycares.org. Now let's join our host,

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Doug Stringer.

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Dr. Kevin Harrison, longtime friend, pastor. We've been connected since you were pastoring

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in Baltimore, Waco, various places. When you were actually at Southwestern Assumption of

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God University as VP over there.

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Back to 2002.

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Oh my gosh. So that's been 22 years. You definitely have a history and have great respect and

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admiration for all that you've been able to accomplish. Of course, now as the president

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of West Coast Bible College and Seminary. On top of that, working on all these other

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things and creditations, as well as partnerships of various schools and higher learning. Then

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also of course, developing pure manhood. That's what we're going to be focusing on today.

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Would you just share a little bit about your history and what got you to what you're doing

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now and some exciting things? In fact, you were just talking before we came on that you'll

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be with your son-in-law, who's a second fastest.

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Second fastest American who's ever been at the Olympics. In fact, we are leaving tomorrow.

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We're making our way to Eugene, Oregon, because he's going to be running in the U S Olympic

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trials. He represented team USA in Tokyo, which we were bummed because we could not

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go to Tokyo because of COVID-19 and all the protocols that were there. And so it's a very,

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very challenging event that he's in the hundred meter. And so we're going to be there with

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him to support him. He'll be running on Saturday night and Sunday evening as well. So you can

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check that out on NBC and say a word of prayer for him.

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Doug, we go back. You talked about it back to 2002. We go back to the Southwestern days.

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I want to say publicly here to everybody, first of all, I just, man, I'm so grateful

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for somebody cares. I'm so grateful to Doug Stringer. I don't think people really understand

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the impact that you guys have made throughout the years. I've worked Hurricane Katrina and

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I'll never forget calling you Doug in 2005. And I just walked in with the lady at the

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Red Cross. She's sitting at the front desk and she's in tears. And I had gone down there

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initially to serve water, but God allowed us to be able to get into some leadership

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positions there. And so I just went to her and I said, Hey, what can I do to make your

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day better? And she said, well, you're not going to be able to help. I said, well, just

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if you just say something, just tell me. And she said, well, we need a 50,000 gallon potable

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water tank. And I said, well, hold on, let me make a phone call. So I made a phone call

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to you, Doug. I don't know if you even remember the call, but that was a huge ask. And she

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said, well, I can't get it for months, but you were able to get it to them the next day.

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Wow. It was just, it was remarkable. The Red Cross that had all this money. And so I just

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want to say thank you. I mean, I can go back to the explosion in West Texas where you guys

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resourced us. I was passionate and Waco at the time and West was about 25 minutes away

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from us. And so I was on the long-term recovery committee with them and we were able to resource

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people through somebody cares with over a hundred thousand dollars of gift cards, which

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you just, you can't understand the impact unless you found yourself in that position.

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So I wanted to say that upfront, Doug, just thank you. Cause I mean, I've seen what you've

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done in Haiti. I've been to these different places, hurricane Sandy. I've been these places

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I've seen, I've talked to the people. And so thank you guys for, for what it is that,

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that you guys have done. So I go way back, you know, I've been in church ministry for,

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I kind of feel like the old guy now, you know, because you start putting numbers in your

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eyes. I am the old guy. I've been in church ministry since 1986. And so I've had the opportunity

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to serve in literally just about every position you can think about. I have cleaned toilets.

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I have cut grass. I have been a children's pastor. I've been a youth pastor. I've been

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a worship pastor. I've been a Christian school principal. I've been a lead pastor.

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And so met my wife at Southwestern assemblies of God. Now university getting ready to be

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Nelson university. We met back in 1986 and we've been married since July 3rd, 1987.

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And so we very, very blessed. We've got two daughters that we waited 10 years to have our

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first. And so, you know, it's now we're kind of older parents and even more older grandparents.

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We just became grandparents this past year with both of our daughters had a grandchild. And so

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we actually moved to Lexington, Kentucky because my son-in-law was training here at the university

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of Kentucky. And so we moved here, but throughout the years, man, I grew up in a pastor's home.

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My parents ended up in a divorce and so very, very difficult times. Honestly, I tried to run

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from ministry. I didn't want to be a part of it. You know, I saw that, Hey, they didn't make a

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whole lot of money. You know, there was a lot of stress and tension inside the home that you can

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have. And so I was like, man, I don't want anything to do with that. I want to go out here and make

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money. I'd already had plans. I wanted to be a lawyer or, you know, something that was going to

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make a lot of money. And then I'll never forget that night in of all places, Possum Neck,

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Mississippi. And here I was coming to an altar at a youth camp. And I knew God had called me to

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ministry that night. I surrendered. And I said, 16 years old, I said, God, whatever you want,

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I'll go wherever you want and do whatever you want me to do as long as I don't miss you. And so from

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then on, that's what we've done. We've been most recently as a lead pastor, I was in

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a victorious life church in Waco from 2005 through 2015. Since then we actually launched the college

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in 2006. But since 2015, I've been full time running a West coast Bible college in seminary

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as the president. We've trained over 10,000 leaders across the world. And we've had a lot

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of great opportunities, especially in Africa. God's opened up a lot of doors to some of these

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areas, these churches that were, we're going to be closing down because the government said,

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if you don't have some kind of an accreditation or a certificate, you can't continue on. And so we've

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provided that for them. And so now we're training people. The impact that you and your family have

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had in the pastorate, as well as through West coast Bible college and seminary goes far beyond

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what we've just heard because I mean, even our director and president of somebody cares, Baltimore,

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you had a huge impact in that family, especially at a very difficult time when they lost their son.

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So you pastored in Baltimore as well, and you actually were very involved in our somebody cares

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Baltimore, as well as being really an advisor to us and a partner with this and somebody cares

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international for all these years. Yeah. And I love, I love what you guys do just on the local level

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and the way you partner with churches. I mean, that's the thing is somebody cares, doesn't try

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to reinvent the wheel and say, Hey, everybody's going to jump in here with what we're doing.

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You see with somebody cares, you see churches from everywhere that are coming together. And this is

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the beautiful thing, the body of Christ coming together. When you were pastoring a wake go and

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the explosion of West Texas, what came out of that is a major grocery chain, because someone in your

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church had been working, was in executive position with that grocery chain. Out of that, the

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partnerships that were created, they created a disaster arm for every disaster after that through

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that chain and have been incredible blessing to churches and to every disaster we've been a part of.

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Absolutely. And let me, let me give you another thing, even out of West that I can tell you,

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because I had been in a meeting with the governor's people with Red Cross and all the people there,

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we were trying to figure out, okay, one of the biggest problems in West was they didn't have the

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resources to be able to move the homes out because most of the people were under insured by about

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$40,000. We're like, okay, what, what in the world we do? And I'm sitting there in a meeting with

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the governor's people and I'm sitting there in a meeting and the Holy Spirit just begins prompting

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me and believe me, I'm not like this. I'm not the one who says, I got the prophetic voice from God,

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but there've been like two times in my life where I knew beyond the shadow of a doubt,

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this is what the Holy Spirit is saying. And I knew that he was telling me, hey, let him know

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you've got a friend, he's going to take care of it. And I'm like, I'm not going to say that. I am

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not saying that that just, that's going to put me in a bad position, but I did. And I said it,

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and they said, well, who's your friend? I said, doesn't matter right now. I said, I'll make a

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call. So I get back with you. So I get out and I'm like, Oh Jesus, you've got to help me. I just

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told them, I have a friend. And so I told my wife, my wife's like, you said what, what are you

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talking about? I said, well, I've got a friend. And so I started praying. I said, Lord, lead me

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to who I need to call. And it was you. I called you. You gave me the names of two people. Second

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person was over an oil and gas place. And he said, yeah, we'll come there. We'll help. We'll help

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and because of that connection through somebody cares and that relationship, all these homes in

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West Texas, nobody talks about this. It isn't part of the story, the narrative and Red Cross,

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they would love to take credit for it, but they can't take credit for it. But God set that up.

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And it came through somebody cares. And so this is why I love what you guys do. It just, it's an

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honor to be able to partner with you guys. Well, we're excited to partner with you and just looking

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forward to seeing the continued impact that your school and seminary and everything else you do

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will have, including now the pure manhood. Tell us a bit about that because you know, in fact,

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we sent this out and said more men at your church on Sunday will most likely have viewed pornography

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this past week than have opened their Bibles. Wow. Many churches have stayed silent on this issue

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because unfortunately even Christian leaders have struggled in this area. Can you imagine what it

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would look like for the men in your church to walk in freedom? Wow. Dr. Harrison, this is so

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important, especially right now with the identity crisis, the challenge on manhood, the exposures.

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We see so many Christian leaders really being exposed to sexual morality. It's heartbreaking

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to see what's happening in the body of Christ globally. This is good timing as you've created

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this ministry called pure manhood on top of everything else you're doing. Tell us a bit

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about that journey and what that is. The whole idea behind pure manhood is we realize there is

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a problem. We make the statement that there are more men and it's just a true statement. It's a

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statement of fact. You go into statistics and you begin looking at it. The most recent statistics

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from Christian young men between the ages of 18 and 24 state that 76.9% of them are actively

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seeking out pornography on a weekly basis. Now I'm not talking about people in the world. I'm

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talking about Christian young men, 76.9% of them. And 64% of Christian men have said that in the

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past month that they have looked at pornography. And you go back to some of the old Promise Keeper

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studies and there's not a whole lot of latest stuff that's been done, but you realize that

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one of the conferences they had 51% of the pastors who said that they have engaged in this. And so

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one of the things the church really we failed to do. And I can, when I say we, I can say me too,

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because even when I was pastoring, I wish I would have been more proactive in this. I didn't do the

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things that I should have been. I mean, I spent a lot of time counseling people, but you know,

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you spend time one-on-one, you know, if you would begin to work on something on a larger scale,

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you'd have more of an opportunity to be able to reach people. Nate Brian, who's, who's become a

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friend over the past few years, he actually is a friend of my months. I should say he's a friend

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of my son-in-law and my son-in-law, Ronnie, he was struggling with pornography for a long time.

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He talks about that. He's got a podcast and he talks about how the Lord delivered him from that.

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And so it doesn't matter who you are, what background you come from, there's a struggle

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for a lot of people. And so they both were a part of another program in the other program, just,

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you know, there's a lot of great programs out there. Let me just say that they're a wonderful

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program. It's a lot of good Christian programs. And then there's some programs that they're

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charging people $3,500. And you're like, there are people who are desperate to be free. They can't

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afford $3,500. How in the world are they going to be able to pay for that? So Nate was leaving this

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other company that he was a part of. And I just, I told Ronnie, I said, Hey, connect me and Nate.

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I really feel like this is a God moment for us. And so he did. And Nate and I, we sat down,

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we had this conversation, literally it was three months ago. He came here from Charlotte, North

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Carolina. We sat down and we just said, okay, man, this is such a God thing. We know this is a God

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thing. It's one of the things that we've started doing. We don't want to just be known as a college

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that gives away degrees. We're not interested in that solely. Obviously we want to train people

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to get their bachelor, master's, doctoral degrees through us at West Coast Bible college and seminary.

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That's important. But beyond that, we want to provide resources to the church that they can

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employ inside of the church. And they can train their leaders. They can train their workers. If

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they've got issues with grief, if they got issues with alcohol and drug programs, we're actually

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creating another program like pure manhood with alcohol and drugs. Also with an eating disorder

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clinic. We had that when we were in Waco, we had one of the first in church eating disorder clinics

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in the world. In fact, it was so successful that we ended up having one of the large organizations

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where people spend $300,000 per month to get free. They called us. I didn't know them. They called

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me and said, Hey, we hear great things are happening there at your church eating disorder

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clinic. I said, I have no idea how you heard. We haven't advertised, but we've been working

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with some people and we've seen some real transformation. And so as a result, they're

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like, Hey, we want to fly you out here. We want to learn what the secret is. I said, I can save you

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the plane ticket. I said, we do everything you do, but the biggest difference we have is that we

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give people Jesus. You know, we stopped focusing on the negative thing. And even with pure manhood,

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I'll just go back to this here. Now I was talking to a well-known respected leader that, um, a lot

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of people would know if I were to say their name last week, and we were having this conversation

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about pure manhood and they made a statement, which is true. They made the statement. They said,

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man, we got to get guys to stop looking at porn. And I said, you know, I agree with you, but that's

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not how we run our program. Our goal is not to get guys to stop looking at pornography. Our goal

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is to get guys to start looking at Jesus because the more they look at Jesus, the less they'll

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start looking at pornography. And I gave an illustration to him. Um, when I was back in

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college, played baseball and our second baseman went over to his house. One day they had just

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bought a brand new house in North Texas. They didn't want to side the yard though. They just

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wanted to put down seed. And so they put down the seed, but the weeds were just growing up like crazy

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because I mean, North Texas, it's just kind of how it is there. I came over on a Saturday and we went

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to ACE hardware and I'll never forget Larry, who was his dad going to the ACE hardware guy and said,

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Hey, we need some more weed killer. And the guy just started laughing. I said, I'm like, why is

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he laughing? I mean, you just want weed killer. And he goes, how many times have you been in here?

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He said, this is like eight weeks in a row. He said, you're going about this the wrong way.

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He said, you're trying to put out weed killer. He said, what you need to be doing is planting

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new seed because eventually what's going to happen is that seed's going to come up. It's going to

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choke out the weeds. And as a result of that, you're going to have the lawn you want. And that's the

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heart behind what we're doing with pure manhood. We talk about all the stuff that people are going

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to talk about in a typical program. We talk about the mental things, the way that your brain literally

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is reshaped and changed as a result. But let me just tell you what we've been seeing. We've only

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recently launched this to the entire public. And so we've had a handful about 26 guys that we launched

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the program with. We've had statements from guys who've said, look, this is the longest I've gone

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in three decades without looking at pornography. They said, I've gone over a month and we're just

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sitting here saying, thank you, Jesus. Big part of that, we have the lesson and I followed up.

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he walked through this. He was in the church for 20 years. He was struggling with pornography.

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And literally during COVID, he found himself on a deathbed in an ICU and he was face to face with,

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is this how I want to see God? And he just said, no more. I'm not doing this anymore. I'm going to

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follow God with all of my heart. So he went out and sought out a program. But he said, the thing

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that really set me free was not a program. The thing that set me free was he said, I spent so

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much time in the word of God and praying and fasting and seeking God's heart. He said, it

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changed everything for me. And so Nate does a video on a daily basis. We have some homework

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that they walk through, some very practical things. We also though, we have a health and wellness

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section where guys will literally, we give them something to, Doug, you're a gym guy. I'm impressed.

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I got to tell you, I'm incredibly impressed with all the bench pressing and stuff you were still

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doing. Cause when I watched some of those videos and stuff of you on Facebook, I'm like, my shoulder

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hurts just from watching some of the bench pressing. But we had the health and wellness, simple stuff.

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I mean, like on day one, we have guys walking for 30 minutes in the middle of a walk. We also have,

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so the wellness on that first day too, they're giving something up, whatever it is, don't replace

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it with something, something that's significant to you. It could be something as simple as a Coca

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Cola that you, you know, you've been drinking Coca Cola every day of your life, four or five of them,

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give it up for that day. Cause we want them to see that it is possible to be free from something.

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If they can see little wins, it's kind of like the credit card process. You know, if you pay off the

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smallest, if you find those little wins, eventually what's going to happen is they're going to turn

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into bigger wins and bigger wins. So you've got the health and wellness and it wraps up. And this is

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such a key component of this with worship. Every day we've got a specific worship song that's,

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that's pointed out, that picked out, that's there on the page that they sit there. They watch,

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they engage with, we encourage people to worship, but also, and I don't know if you're familiar

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with them, but the 24 seven worship app, it's an amazing app. It's something that I listen to.

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I start my day with this every day. I get up the things that I'm asking people to do

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are the things that I do on a daily basis. So I'm going to exercise it's, it's part of,

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of who I am is part of what I do. But part of that exercise, if I'm out on a walk,

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I'm always getting my scripture in to start my day. And I'm always following that up with,

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I usually spend about an hour on 24 seven worship and I just sit there and I'll pray is that worship

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song. And what I've even seen and look, man, I've been in ministry, like I said, since 1986,

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38 years. And what I've even seen is that it's helped me just in the way that I respond to my

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wife, just in the way that I respond to situations around me. Now, all of a sudden, every thing that

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seems insignificant, the more worship I've pumped into, it's just, it's helped change me. It's helped

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change my relationships even more. And so that's really the core of what we have. Now, not only do

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we have a biblical pornography program though, which is so crucial, it's, it's vital for what

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it is that we're doing, but we also, you'll notice that on the front page of our website,

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there's a number of different resources. You'll see, we have a daily devotional that we're doing

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there for men and it's going to be all about purity. Now, one of the things we're going to do

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while the guys are in the program, we're going to take them through the entire new Testament

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in 91 days. Okay. We've got it recorded, going through the new Testament and we're tying everything

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in to purity, to legacy. I mean, think about Matthew chapter one, a lot of people read

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genealogies. They're like, ah, genealogies, whatever we look at genealogies. And we say, you know what,

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these are all the people that were leading up to Jesus. Think about your family, how your purity is

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going to affect the generations that are coming after you. And so we have that daily devotional

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that's there. Um, we've developed for churches, we've developed quarterly Bible studies for men.

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There's so many different things, um, that we've developed that will help with the resources, uh,

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that are there. We've got that, we've got a weekly reconnect calls, so many different things. And so

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that's, that's the nutshell of what we're doing. What I really loved about even why you do West

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Coast Bible college and seminary, as well as what you said with pure manhood, that some of these

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things are exorbitant, the cost to be able to get these resources. And so the person who's doesn't

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have insurance for drug rehabs and alcoholism rehabs. And like you said, some of these are so

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exorbitant expensive wise to even go through trying to find freedom from pornography and other

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things. And so you didn't want to see people leave their calling to leave and never go back to their

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calling. And so that was one of the reasons that God really gave me this innovative idea of helping

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people get educated where they are. And the other thing that I noticed too, is that it's a hundred

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percent confidential. So there's no exposure. This is an opportunity for people to feel safe

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and to find resources. And I like what you said about it's planning more godly seed, right? So

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it'll choke out those weeds, right? And going at it the wrong way, trying to find a way to deal with

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the actual issue rather than the root of the issue. When you've tried to stop doing something, what

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are you doing? Like, I can't do that. I can't do that. I can't do it. And the more you say,

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I can't do it. What are you doing? Reinforce in your mind? I'm going to do that. That's exactly

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what I'm going to do. I remember the old worship song, turn your eyes upon Jesus, look full in his

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wonderful face and the things of the earth will grow strangely dim in the light of his glory and

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grace. And look, I know that there's even been a remake on that song, been a great remake on that.

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But the whole thing with this is, look, we know there are a lot of leaders that are struggling

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with this as well. Our goal is not to out people. Our goal is not to cause people to feel like

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they're in bondage. Our goal is to help people come to Jesus and really be free, to get past

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this thing of showing up, doing the, you know, I've got the smile on my face, all this stuff,

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looking good, but to really get to the point where, you know, I'm going to surrender everything to

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Christ. And that's what the program's about. So when we have these weekly reconnect calls,

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every Tuesday night, there's going to be a call, Nate, I may be on it. We've got weekly pastoral

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calls too, by the way, we're connecting with guys. We've got guys. It's been amazing. We've been

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shocked that guys are actually showing up. They'll show up on a zoom call because they're,

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they're hungry. But if you don't want to show up on a zoom call, we've got teleconference calls

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where you can dial directly into a number. And when you dial into that number, nobody knows what

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your phone number is. Nobody knows anything else. And so you can have conversations. A huge thing

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for us with West Coast Bible college and seminary, we're governed by the laws of the land anyway. I

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mean, so FERPA, all that stuff there, we'll never share that stuff, but beyond that, it's our

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integrity. I've had the opportunity to speak to a number of leaders who've walked through a lot of

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challenges. And, and you know what? I know all of us have something, whatever our something is,

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we all have issues. And there's been things that I've had to deal with. I've had attitude issues

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over the years in my life. I mean, just, uh, and honestly, going back, looking back, I struggled

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with pornography when I was a younger man. And the reason why was because when I was 15 years old,

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I had a friend whose parents decided, Hey, the best way for our son to learn about sex is to give him

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playboy penthouse, we magazines. So, man, we're, we're all going over to visit him. It's like, man,

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this is the best thing ever treasure trove, you know, for teenage boys. And you didn't realize how

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it was going to impact you at that point at that young age, I was exposed and it happens. Now,

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men or young men specifically is between nine and 10. And if we've got all these young men who are

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out here between the ages of 18 and 24, who are in the church, who are worshiping Jesus, and then

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getting out and getting on their phone and looking at stuff, they shouldn't be, we've got to take

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care of this issue. We've even been looking into Nate and I have had these conversations of what

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can we do to create a program for the youngest men? You know, that would be appropriate for age level

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to get them thinking in the right direction. You mentioned the cost, our cost, and you can see it.

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There's a, there's a plans page on our website. In fact, you actually, on the front page, you can

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just scroll straight down. So you can go to pure manhood.org, pure manhood.org and you can do that.

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It's, it's available now mobile. We, we actually just finished it up. Let, let me give you an idea.

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We had this on disqualified ministries website in on West coast to start with, and we just decided

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it's very, very important for us that we, we take it outside of those zones because some people may

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not feel comfortable coming into some of those zones. So we've created a total different entity,

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pure manhood. It's an umbrella. So we made this available to men for individuals. It's $299 period,

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not a month, $299 total cost. Uh, what I was thinking about was that we, we put a monthly

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payment option on there as well for people who want an option, uh, for that it's three payments,

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$110 for three months, lifetime access and stuff after that. But we did it something else. Even

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since we've spoken, Doug, Nate and I just started talking about, okay, God really gave us a vision

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that we're going to reach a million men on this. Our goal is not to make $299 million. That's not

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our goal. Okay. I mean, people may go, well, you're just trying our goals, not that. So we said,

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what can we do to really put this and make this a resource for churches? So what we've done is we've

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created this program and inside of this program, we've got other true resources that we're giving

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to churches, pure resources, what we call them. And, uh, we've made it available for $105 per month,

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which allows every church to put as many men in their church in this plan as they want.

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We give them a coupon code. Uh, whoever signs up from the church, we give them a coupon code.

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In fact, we say this is a great way to be able to minister to people outside of your church.

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So you take this coupon code, you put it in the church pays only one fee for everybody that's in

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there, $105 a month. And I had a denominational leader asked me the other day, well, how in the

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world can you guys make money? If you've got, you know, these men going and say, well, first of all,

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it's not about money. We want to put resources in the hands of church. We think it's a great way.

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There's that's on our plans page. You can take a look at that again. It's pure manhood.org.

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If you scroll down about halfway in the page, you'll see a blue thing, a guy there, check out

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our plans. You can click on that right there and see those. And also if you've got any questions

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and you know, you'd like to ask me directly, you can email me at president at West Coast Bible dot

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org president at West Coast Bible dot org, or you can email info at pure manhood dot org,

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either one of those president at West Coast Bible comes directly to me. And so if you want to

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directly come to me initially, feel free to send it there. I'm happy to answer any questions.

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There is so much here. We talked about this. I had been asked to participate in being an author

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of a project on what is biblical masculinity. Right. And that website is what makes a man dot

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org. Because we realize in the last year or so that there's been such a challenge to

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men's identity. And there's a distinction between what the world thinks of a man

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versus what is biblical masculinity. And of course, we know that through the late Dr.

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Edwin Lewis Cole, you know, he used to always say that Christ's likeness and manhood are synonymous.

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So we tried as best we could took us months. Ken Harrison, former CEO of Promise Keepers,

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Waterstone Foundation and Dr. Sammy Rodriguez for the National Hispanic

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Crucial Leadership Conference and the Benham Brothers, Chad Hennings, Dr. A.R. Bernard,

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Leonard and A.R. Bernard up in Brooklyn. And and I was honored to be a part of that. And

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Gene Getz and I was honored to be considered one of the authors, although I'm not sure how much I

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invested, but just we talked a lot about it and defining, you know, what do we want to address?

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And so it seems to me with things like that, you know, what makes a man what is biblical

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masculinity is something we need to address. But obviously, for us to walk in the fruit of that,

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to be Godly men who are secure in our identity in Christ, then we need to make sure that we deal

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with those root issues or those things or things in our lives are keeping us from that. You mentioned

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earlier, it's important that we help young men as well and women. It's it's sure it is crazy how many

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young women are being addicted to pornography at a younger age. And so we see with the advent of

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social media, with all these with, you know, entertainment trying so hard to even target

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young minds to capture their hearts and souls. So we have to address even the younger because

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they're the ones that seeds are being planted to capture them. And so I think what you're doing,

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the one to reach the younger generation is going to be very important. The heart again of this is

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we want people to walk in freedom. And so a big portion of this while we have the devotions and

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the other things that we have, because a lot of programs, they end after 13 weeks, 90 days, 60

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days. There are some denominations that they do some good things. They really do. There's

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Southern Baptists in North Texas. I know they've got a really phenomenal 30 day program that they

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have there. It's it's a phenomenal program. What we've discovered in talking to leaders and just

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talking to men in general is a lot of times people struggle to go to a denominational leader or to go

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to someone else because they're afraid that if, if I share this information with someone else,

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then this information is going to get out there. And so rather than get free, they'll stay in

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bondage because they don't want to think about the repercussions of what's going on in their life.

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You know, what, what's going to happen? Am I going to lose my ministry? And so that's one of the

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things that the anonymity, which is important, especially upfront, but again, we were discovering

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from anonymity is coming community because people realize they need the biblical community in order

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to be able to function the way that they are. And they should is God has created them to function.

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It's very important to start at young. Yes. But there are a lot of people who are already

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past the point of us being young. And I know guys who are older than me who are addicted.

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are addicted to pornography and that's in the United States. And so there's a huge challenge

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we have here, but it's a great opportunity for the church to stand up now. Well, we got to do

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something now because this has already become a huge problem. I want you to think about it.

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There are a lot of pastors who are watching it. I'm not trying to put anybody under condemnation.

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I'm just saying this is just a reality of the way that things are. They show up. You may have a

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deacon or deacons who are watching it. Usher's who are watching it. What do you think the spiritual

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climate of a church is going to be when you have leadership that's engaged in and watching in these

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things? And so we really want to see people free. And so the whole component for us is with West

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coast, you know, our mission statement is creating disciples of Christ without creating disciples of

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debt. What we want to do is we want pure manhood to be a part of discipleship, lifetime discipleship.

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We will always have new quarterly Bible studies every year. We will always have new daily devotionals

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every time. We will always have the new calls for the individuals and for the pastors because we

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consider this part of discipleship as we're trying to resource and help the church and the leaders.

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Really is the renewing of the mind every day, isn't it? 100% in all of us. I mean, that's what

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we all have to do. We're all called. That's exactly what Ephesians four tells us that we have to do.

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Yeah. And oftentimes, you know, I know as a man being an athlete from my younger days and

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it helps to have people to help team camaraderie and community as you mentioned, as well as coaches

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that will help us to kind of encourage us, motivate us. The simple thing for me going to the gym at

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almost 68 years old is that I can't work out at home. I won't do it, but I force myself to get to

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the gym and smell the gym, the sweat, see if it works. Then I get back into the motivation and I

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can do it. And there's something about that kind of camaraderie or community that helps us to stay

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focused and helps us to walk out of that discipleship you're talking about. One of the things Nate and I

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were talking about with the program was a lot of guys, if somebody stands up in front and pastor

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says, okay, guys, how many of you want to sign up for the biblical pornography program? Me, I want to

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sign up. Your wife's like, well, what are you doing? Is there something I need to know? Do we need to

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have a conversation here? And so we said, people are, they're just not going to raise their hands.

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They're just not going to. If I've got a site that is stopwatchingporn.org, if the wife comes in

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watching and sees that a lot of concerns. And so again, we're trying to help men keep their dignity

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while they're getting their freedom. So we have this website. That's why we have all the other

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resources. That's why we build it in. So a pastor can say, Hey, look, we've got a membership here

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to pure manhood.org. You know, we want all of our men to be pure, whatever it is. You don't even

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have to say the pornography portion of it. You know, there's all kinds of resources. There's

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devotionals. We're making this available to our church. Then guys can come in. They can register

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with the church code. No pastor is going to find out who's in their church, who is in the program.

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They're just not going to, cause we're not going to release the information that anonymity up front

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is very, very important. So we built this umbrella of pure manhood. What wife is not going to say,

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well, I don't want my man to be pure. This is what we need in the church. It's what women desire

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from their men. It's a discipleship tool. This all comes down to discipleship. You know, so Jesus

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wasn't putting people through, you know, making them jump through hoops. He was discipling them.

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And as they were discipled, their lives were changed. And that's why we're even be able to

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be here today because of discipleship. And so that's the heart of, of what we're doing.

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So that's brilliant, Kevin, because you're right. If you have a tile says, Hey, you know,

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I want to get delivered from pornography. People are going to feel reluctant. It's like, you know,

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and we do disaster relief, the healing and hope gatherings and grief and trauma in Japan or Haiti,

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wherever it is, we don't come in and say, you guys need help. So we says, Hey, you may know people.

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So we have a gathering to address the needs of grief and trauma and how for you to help.

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And then all of a sudden you find all these people who have been victims or people who have been

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suffering, who end up coming themselves. Like even the movie theater shooting in Colorado,

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many years ago, we didn't address all of you that have been affected that were at the movie theater

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come. We said, this is to help the whole community that has, is suffering a community grief and

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trauma to come and find out how to be a help and to identify and to help others in need.

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And when I'm talking with all the people that really were there actually came because they

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didn't feel like they're all of a sudden being pointed out what you're doing. That pure manhood

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is not pointing out an issue, but it will address those that are needed. And Dr. Edward Lewis Cole,

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the founder of the Christian men's network that I still serve on the board of when he wrote his book,

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Maximize Manhood. Well, what man doesn't want to be a maximized man, right? Absolutely. But you get

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into it and he starts dissecting what is lust, what is adultery, what is sexual morality.

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But it starts out by drawing you in to say, I want to be a maximized man. And so pure manhood is

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brilliant that you've come up with this term. And I think a lot of men and families will be impacted

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in a positive way because of it. Well, thank you. I tell you, it is an ode to Dr. Cole as well,

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the name pure manhood. When Nate and I were having that conversation, I know that he was

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one of your spiritual fathers, but it was to him because I remember reading that book. I think it

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was 1987. We actually had him in our church that I was on staff at in Gainesville, Florida in 1987

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or 88. It was the beginning of 88, one of those. And I'll never forget reading that book. And I

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was thinking, wow, when we were sitting here going, okay, okay, Lord, what is the umbrella name?

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And I just couldn't get that maximized manhood out of, and then I told Nate, I said, what about

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pure manhood? We want men to be pure and we can't steal the name, obviously. I mean, they've already

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got the name. It was such a great name. And so pure manhood, we need pure men in our world.

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In a lot of these programs, again, they built them around, okay, if you're a leader of an

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organization, I'm like, you're a leader in your home. Before we start worrying about what

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organization you're leading, you need to be in right relationship with the Lord for your family,

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for your wife, for your marriage. Then it can extend into your church and go beyond that

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into your different walk of life, whether it's your work or your relationships.

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That's a great comment there because you're a leader. It's not just people who are perceived

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technically as a leader of a church or a business or a leader that's perceived publicly, but we're

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all called a lead at some level. Even my book, Leadership Awakening, we address that, that every

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one of us is called the lead at some point and almost had that leadership capacity in us.

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And are we leading people in a place that is healing or are we leading people in a place that

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is diminishing of their potential? And even for me, in my book, Leadership Awakening, I addressed

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for me, because I get so many young leaders asking me all the time. And I said, look, I just have to

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be brutally honest with myself. That's a key because that's attractive to God. I have to be

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brutally honest of my own failures and shortcomings and the frailty of my humanity. And if I can do

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that, then God can continue to do a work of healing to help me to become the man I need to be or the

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leader I need to be in my home or in the public. And I'm so blessed, Dr. Harrison, that you've

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taken on my Leadership Awakening book as a course in your master's program for West Coast Bible

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College and Seminary. And I tell you, as soon as we did that, I started getting all these bumps

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of people ordering books on Amazon. I'm thinking, wow, at one point, I think in the last couple

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of weeks, it went down to one of the top 100 Christian leadership books out there. I don't

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know if it's 10,000 or thousands. I thought, wow. That's phenomenal. You get into leadership books, too.

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If you want to get into leadership resources, you're talking about there's over 2 billion

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leadership resources that are available to people. 2 billion. So if you're like in the top 100,

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you're doing pretty well. But the reason why we're using it though is because it's biblical

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concepts behind leadership. I've read a lot of leadership books. There's a lot of good stuff

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out there. There's nothing wrong with things. And I can't tell you how many leadership books

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that I've read because it's part of what I've done individually. I want to learn. I want to grow.

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It's important for me, but also for our school. So we go through all these different resources

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and we say, okay, what's the resource that A, it has to be biblical, first of all. Two, it has to

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be practical and it has to be meaningful. And your book ticked the boxes at the very top on each one

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of those. And so we decided to put it at the master's level because these are concepts,

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man, that are just huge concepts. We've got a good group that's a part of that. And so we're

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going to start here. And I've told you before a little bit earlier today, I've got some friends

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in other universities that I'm going to put this book out here because I believe in the book. In

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fact, I think this book, we may even look and see how we can use it in pure manhood seriously,

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because this is a part of leadership. It is a part of leading your family, leading in a godly way.

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We'll take that resource. We'll utilize it. You may see it in pure manhood before too long here

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as well. When we first wrote it, there was many that said, well, Doug, you need to write it in a

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way that's more mass appeal. And it was interesting because we put it, everything had to be filtered

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through a biblical lens and scripture, but it had great stories and personal areas of my life that

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I have to deal with. But to my amazement, it didn't affect the secular or the public out there. Many

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people who aren't even necessarily in church like the book. I had the co-founder and the vice

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president of a NBA basketball team promoting it on social media before I even met the person.

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That's phenomenal.

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I met business people said, I didn't think anybody else could write another book on leadership.

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And they read it. And so they said, and they started promoting it. And so I'm thinking,

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okay, so we did the right thing. I think the world is looking for answers. We don't need to be ashamed

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of showing them the filter through scripture and a model by which all these principles have lasting

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success. I see. I think the difference in your book and a lot of the other leadership books is

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that a lot of that is good information. Your book is leading people to transformation. There's a big

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difference between the two. It's information for transformation. And again, the stories,

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they're relatable. And that's, that's very important too. Cause I mean, you're dealing

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with college students, even if they're, you know, 30, 40 years old, all of us reading a book. Why do

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we read a book? Cause we understand stories. We've grown up with stories. That's why, you know,

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they'll tell stories in television shows. There's a storyline, there's great stories in there. But

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again, it's, they're meaningful stories that connect the biblical. So it's from information

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to transformation.

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It's been amazing just to hear what's happening through Pure Manhood and also through you and

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also through West Coast Bible College and seminary and everything else that you're involved in.

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What are some of the things you would leave with us and provoke us and challenges with?

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And again, remind us how people connect to Pure Manhood and to West Coast Bible College.

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Sure. So purity is essential for a believer. None of us would go and none of us would drink. I've

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got a bottle of water here. I've been to Africa before and been preaching. They'll bring me a

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bottle of water. And you look in there stuff all in there like, Oh, thank you so much. Thank you.

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As you put it aside, you know, this here I'll drink. Why? Cause it's, it's pure. It's in purity

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is essential. Now God uses impure people all the time. We've seen that's a reality, but Jesus made

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it very clear to his disciples in Luke chapter 12 verses two and three, that the things that are

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done in secret that are done in dark, they're going to come out in light one day. It may not

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be tomorrow. It may not be. And we're discovering over the last few weeks here, unfortunately,

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we're seeing that happen even in Christian leadership. And so what I would encourage

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people to do is repent, take care of things when that seed, that negative seed gets planted,

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uprooted. I mean, pull that weed. My yards. I loved doing my yard outside. It's one of the things

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that I just enjoy. I had weeds that were coming up for a long time. And for, I started putting

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stuff out again, that weed killer. I started putting it out, not even thinking about that story.

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And then I remembered what seed out in that seed every time it's come up and it's choked out the

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weeds and I get to continue to have the yard that I have. And so I would just say, stay pure. I mean,

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this is a great opportunity. If you're not in a place where you need to be in your relationship

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with the Lord, if your mind's going in places, you're looking at stuff you shouldn't look at,

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I want to encourage you come by and visit pure manhood.org 100% secure. Your story is your story.

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It's not our story. We're not going to put you out here and go, look at it. You know, this is one of

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our trucks. We don't do that. Our goal is the things that are going to take place in the secret

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that's going to be revealed through the lives of men. Some much we'll never get to see until

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we get to heaven, but the bottom line is we want to see lives change. If you're a pastor in a church,

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I encourage you make a subscription for your church. You know, people are like, well, $105.

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I don't think about the bondage that's in your church. Look at it this way. If you had four men

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from your church who got into this program and they paid for this themselves, they're going to pay

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$1,200 between the four of them anyway, you know, so you could get a hundred men into your program.

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You have an opportunity to be able to do that. So I want to encourage you live pure. How do we stay

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pure? How do we stay pure? We stay pure through the washing of the word of God. I mean, that's what

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Ephesians five tells us. We're made clean through the washing of the water. So we stay in that word.

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We keep our mind where it needs to be. I want to encourage you it because this will affect impurity

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will affect everything else. If you want to see something disqualify you from ministry, go into

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first Timothy chapter three, look at verses two through seven. You can go down a list of things

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in the scripture there. You can see the things that disqualify people. Don't allow yourself to be

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disqualified, but turn your heart fully and holy to the Lord. That's what I would say to people,

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stay pure and put yourself in a position to always be used of God. Amen. The website is

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pure manhood.org pure manhood.org mobile sites available as well. I mean, you can go there.

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Uh, again, if you have questions of me, I know Jody put it in the, in the comments here a little

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bit earlier. If you want to email me directly, please do so. I'd love to answer questions.

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Again, anything you send to me even via email, it is 100% secure. No one else in my office will see

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it. No one else will even know it. What comes to me and Nate stays with me and Nate. We don't share

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it with our wives, nothing along those lines. So my email again is president at West coast,

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Bible.org president at West coast, Bible.org, or you can email us at info at pure manhood.org

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pure info at pure manhood.org. We are available for you to help you in any way that we can.

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pure manhood.org. And also you mentioned 24 seven worship app. I'm going to have to get that one as

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well. I love that. It's amazing. It's amazing. They're out of Portland, Oregon, and I've actually

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made several donations, helping them and some of the stuff that they're doing. It's just 24 seven

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worship. It's what it is. And, and, you know, they'll break it up occasionally. There's, there's a

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word from a pastor that's really an encouraging word, but it just keeps your mind in worship.

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So you can, you can download that app 24 seven, you, whatever app store you're in, it's available

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there. Great. pure manhood.org. I would encourage everyone listening or watching to go straight to

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that website and to see how it can be utilized as a tool to help those in your church. Also tools

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that we can use to help us and also through that, being able to help others as well. As I mentioned

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earlier, what makes a man.org, what makes a man.org. And it really is about dealing with what is

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biblical masculinity. There's such an attack on manhood today. You know, something you said,

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Kevin, is that, you know, talking about the issues that we deal with, but really ultimately, isn't it

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all pride for others to deal with pride? When King David had his sin with Bathsheba, the result of

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that was a death of three. But yet with his pride, which is the root of all of that, there was a

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70,000. So I really think at the end of the day, for me, I want to be careful not to allow

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justification with excuses, not deal with issues that God has called me to deal with,

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because ultimately that will result in the fruit of it or the bad fruit, which is sexual immorality,

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lust, idolatry, et cetera. I want God to continue to work on my heart that I would not let pride

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keep me from being honest with God and with myself. Amen. And I would tell people, be proactive in

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this. Maybe you were addicted in the past. Maybe you haven't had an issue. This is great to stay

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proactive because again, it's centering our mind on the word of God. Everything comes back to Jesus.

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Okay. Everything comes back to him. And so as we're centered on him, we're going to be where we need

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to be. Turn your eyes upon Jesus again. Look full in his wonderful face.