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Welcome to A Word in Season with Doug Stringer and friends.
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We share good news and godly wisdom to empower you to be salt and light in every season of
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life.
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Through 29 years of military service and nearly two decades of leading a mission organization,
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Colonel Gary Nelson has learned the importance of serving where the Lord places him.
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Listen as Gary and Doug talk about the way God has accomplished his plans through Gary's
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life despite the obstacles he faced along the way.
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Now let's join our host Doug Stringer.
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We are excited to have today Colonel Gary Nelson retire from the United States Air Force.
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Colonel Nelson served in the United States Air Force for 29 years before retiring to
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lead GALCOM International, a mission organization primarily reaching oral learners.
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And I've got a lot to share about that and our first connection to that as well.
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While in the Air Force, he spent 24 years as a fighter pilot, including flying the F-4
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Phantom flying aircraft in combat over Vietnam.
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He accumulated 5200 hours of jet fighting flying time and for a time held the world
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record of 4500 hours in the F-4 Phantom.
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He then commanded an F-16 fighter squadron and flew that aircraft.
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He also served as deputy base commander at McDill Air Force Base after his tour as squadron
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commander.
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From 1984 through 1987, while stationed at Langley Air Force Base in Virginia, he was
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the chairman of the operation subcommittee for the multinational F-16 program with Air
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Force committee members from the USA, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark and Norway.
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In his capacity, he worked directly for the assistant secretary of the Air Force.
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From 1987 through 1990, he was the head of the Department of Aerospace Studies at MIT
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and for a year he also had a dual job as head of the Department of Aerospace Studies at
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Boston University.
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It was an unusual distinction of being a department head and on the faculty of both MIT and the
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Boston University at the same time.
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His last job in the Air Force was a faculty head at the Joint Forces Staff College in
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Norfolk, Virginia.
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No wonder your daughter Jody, who's our vice president, somebody cares, is so smart.
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In 1991, he separated from the Air Force and moved to Tampa, Florida to head a mission
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organization called GalCom International, which a close friend of his had started.
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This included building a tax-exempt charity organization from scratch.
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The ministry provides audio tools for reaching with the gospel, non-literate people, for
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those who prefer to learn by hearing.
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He headed this ministry for 18 years and is still the corporate president.
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And during those years, GalCom sent audio tools for hearing the gospel to millions of
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people in over 160 countries.
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I can go on and on about all these things, but I wanted to share something about GalCom
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real quick is that I was first connected to GalCom and, Gary, I think we've talked about
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this probably back in the 80s or 90s.
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When did GalCom first start?
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It started in 1989.
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Okay.
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So I was first introduced because I was on the founding, am on the founding board and
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still serve on Love Botswana Outreaches in Botswana, Africa.
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And they presented to us during the board meeting that there was this great new tool
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that GalCom came out with, and it was directional radio station that could go out to the bush
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and to the villages and to give a radio to all the different village chiefs.
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And the transmission would come from one station and that would be from the station that they
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had using the GalCom equipment.
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So that was our first introduction.
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So when Jody and I started talking about it years ago, I thought, wait a minute, I know
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what GalCom is.
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And so it's so great to have you with us today.
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Well, Gary and Mary, we just again, thank you for your lives.
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Obviously, you have such a history of just service to our country, but also transitioning
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that into the service of the kingdom even during that time, but also the service of
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the kingdom and so many lives have been impacted.
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Who knows how many untold millions of impacted lives there are with the gospel of Jesus Christ
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because of your commitment to the service of the Lord, even beyond leaving the Air Force
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in such a great position and also great influence.
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So thank you for being with us today, Gary.
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Well, it's my pleasure.
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I look forward to it.
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Tell us a little bit about your time serving during the Vietnam War and of course in the
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Air Force.
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And then we want to talk a little bit about your gospel journey.
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How did you get a revelation of the work of the cross and the power of the resurrection
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throughout that time as well?
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Well, actually, when I was flying in Vietnam, it was before our kind of dramatic conversion
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to the Lord.
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And as I was reflecting on my time in Vietnam and in the 24 years of flying fighter aircraft,
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I recently heard a song, but it's been out for a year or two.
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It's called The Goodness of God.
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All my life you've been so faithful.
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All my life you've been so, so good.
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With every breath that I'm able, I will sing of the mercies, the goodness of God.
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And as I was listening to that song by C.C.
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Winans recently, I thought of several instances where even though I hadn't yet committed my
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life to Him, He was taking care of me and watching over me.
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Like Hebrews 1.14 says, God has ministering angels sent to minister to those who shall
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be heirs of salvation.
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And I thought of many, many instances.
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One in particular came to my mind where I thought I was going to crash.
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I was on a mission in Vietnam and one of our target was actually a bridge across a river
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on the Ho Chi Minh Trail.
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And it was down in a deep canyon and it was hard to see.
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It was smoky and hazy that day.
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And we were circling and suddenly I saw it.
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And I thought, I can't take my eyes off it, otherwise I may not see it again.
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So I rolled in a little steeper than I should have because I was close to it.
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I was probably about 50 degrees dive, got my Pipper sight on the target, released my
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bombs and looked up to look at my pull off area and there was no place to pull off.
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I was right into the face of a rock cliff on a great big mountain.
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And I thought, oh no, there's no way I can turn this airplane and get that nose above
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that mountain.
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I happened to glance out of my corner of my eye, I saw a little notch, a little saddleback
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on that mountain.
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So I pulled toward that saddleback and I still think to this day there were angels under
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that airplane pushing it up because I went right between two great big trees.
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I never thought I would make that pull out.
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And it just came to my mind just not too long ago that mission and Mary said, gee, you never
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told me about that.
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And I said, well, you know, in a situation like that, when you're flying several missions
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a day, sometimes, you know, that happens, you go back, you land, get in another airplane,
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go off and do it again.
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But I just realized that God put that little saddleback there for me.
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The scripture that came to mind was Psalm 68 20.
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God is a God of salvation.
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To him belongs escapes from death.
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And I thought way back when God made that mountain, he put that saddleback there for
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me as an escape from death.
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Yeah, the Lord has been good to us.
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You want me to go in on the end to our transition into the kingdom or?
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Well, no, I like that because I think along the way, even in retrospect, all of us can
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look at the goodness of God, can't we?
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Because there are times we thought he wasn't with us, but we look at moments like that
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and we realize that he really was giving us those moments to give us that sense of his
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presence and even in the future to look back and see he was with us along the way.
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Yeah, he's been he's been faithful.
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You've probably heard of the movie.
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We were soldiers that Mel Gibson starred in the Battle of the La Drang Valley.
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I was there then and we flew missions for three days in support of that, that engagement.
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So it was quite a year of flying combat in Vietnam and then, of course, a total of 24
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years flying jet fighters.
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So it was quite a career that prior to my service in the mission in the mission world.
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I don't know a whole lot about planes, but I lived in a lot of naval air stations and
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my father and stepfather, both were Vietnam veterans.
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And so there's a lot of things that I know many men like you and others served things
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that maybe you hadn't shared, like these stories that you remembered.
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And because you did your job, you loved your country and you served your country, you know,
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with the best that you knew how.
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And yet today we see so many of those things you serve for unraveling and we see the foundations
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that are shattering in our country.
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How does that make you feel as far as a person who's given so much of your life?
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And I know that in the Lord, you give a sense of purpose and hope even beyond the circumstances.
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But on behalf of a lot of veterans that have given so much, even previously to Vietnam
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war and even since then, that there must be something that you sense in some regard of
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being not disappointed, but you begin to become unsettled because you think of all those who
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have given themselves into serving this country.
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How do you, how does it make you feel and how do you sense that other Vietnam veterans
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as well as veterans of other wars may feel?
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While I was flying in Vietnam, I was not aware of the anti-Vietnam sentiment that was going
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on in the country.
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And then when we, when I came back, our next assignment was three years in Europe.
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So again, we were away from that sort of anti-war demonstrations that were going on.
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We always thought that the reason, one of the outcomes of the war was a kind of holding
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back the expansion of communism in Asia at that time.
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Communism was taking over country after country.
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And I think our involvement in Vietnam slowed that down and really did help.
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But you know, over the years I've noticed that there isn't the same level of patriotism
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in our culture as there was when I was growing up.
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You know, I grew up in the forties, fifties, sixties after the great World War II.
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And there was a great, great amount of patriotism, which has eroded in our culture today.
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And it is sad to see.
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I do sense that there's not the same sense of patriotism from those days as they are
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now.
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And you said something very important because you didn't stop communism, but it was a moment
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where we were able to hold it back who knows how many years.
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And we fast forward today and we see the, what we thought after the Berlin Wall came
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down and we thought that all of a sudden that we as America were this great nation of democracy.
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And yet the implosion is happening from within that's allowing the beast, so to speak, the
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dragon to raise his head with communist China, Russia, all of a sudden re-emerging.
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And to the point that we see in many ways, the huge influence by Marxism, socialism,
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communism into our own culture here.
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And I realize now when you said that, that if we hadn't have been able to be there during
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World War II and Vietnam War and, and trying to stay that pressure or stay that spirit
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and coming to the rest of the world where we would have been already by now, but we
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see the increase today and it's in some ways it is very alarming.
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And I know it's unsettling to so many of us who recognize and we've been to those countries
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that operate under extreme dictatorships, socialism, communism, Marxism.
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And we see so much of that influence in our own country today and it is unsettling.
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How did you get from that place at that moment where you, the angels lifted you through those
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trees to coming to a revelation?
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You said you went to Europe for three years as well.
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How did you move and get to the place of getting a revelation of who Christ was in your life?
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When we were in Europe, we were very close friends with another couple, Chris and Laura
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Meno.
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And when we transferred in 1969 to MacDill Air Force Base, I was transferred to the fighter
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wing as an instructor pilot for a fighter training unit there.
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And Chris and Laura were transferred to the hospital because he had just had an aircraft
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accident and a high speed ejection that broke a lot of his bones and he was in the hospital
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there for orthopedic rehab.
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And while he was in the hospital, a chaplain, a reserve chaplain came by and talked to him
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for a while and led him to the Lord.
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So when he did get out of the hospital, he was definitely a changed man and he began
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searching for Christian fellowship.
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This was during the same time as the Jesus revolution really, when you were interviewing
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Chuck Gerard the other day, you know, he was part of that Jesus revolution out in California.
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But there was something going on in Tampa.
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We called it the Charismatic Revival.
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And the Spirit of God was moving not among hippies, but among us.
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And Chris began searching for fellowship and he would drag us to church and to home prayer
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meetings.
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I sometimes jokingly say we were dragged into the kingdom because he dragged us to church
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and dragged us to home meetings and as a family.
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There was a time when we were having Charismatic conferences in Tampa.
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And during that time, I had the three children who I'm looking at, Mark, Debbie and Jody,
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they were part of the family.
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We all gave our lives to the Lord during that time, all within a couple of weeks.
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And it was kind of household salvation.
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And we kind of grew up in the Lord together.
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That was when we had been married about 12 years.
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And I still had time in the Air Force to serve and wasn't sure what the Lord was going to
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do with me.
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So we did grow in the Lord.
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One thing that it did instill in us was a great hunger for the Word of God.
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And we began reading and studying the Word individually and as a family.
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It was a great time and it's been really great ever since.
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After that, when the fourth child came along, David, he joined the family.
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He joined the family and the kingdom when he was at a young age.
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So we've had a great walk with our family in the Lord.
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It dawned on me that over the years, although we've been in ministry here with our ministry
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since 1981, but our first official chapter of Somebody Cares outside of Houston was Tampa
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Bay.
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So you paved the way for us already.
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Who would have known that that was our first official chapter after Somebody Cares in Houston
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and of course the other relationships we've had.
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We did work with Dan Bernard quite a bit when he was getting started.
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That's right.
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In fact, we saw each other at some of the banquets and some of the outreaches there
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as well.
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Mary, I'm going to ask you a question.
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I know that we're interviewing your husband, Gary.
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I was noticing on the bio that you all were high school sweethearts.
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Yes.
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So you got acquainted during high school and where did you guys go to high school at?
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We went to high school at Parkston High School, which was in a little prairie town in southeastern
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South Dakota.
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Gary grew up on a farm and went to a school in a community nearby that just went through
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eighth grade.
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So ninth grade, he was transitioned to the school that I was going to.
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And that's where we met and dated.
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Not to my parents' pleasure, we ended up getting married and things worked out after that.
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They came to the Lord as well.
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Isn't it interesting how God has this providential way of connecting pieces that we would think
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it was by accident, but really he and his planning already had these different connections
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in place.
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And then all of a sudden when it happens, you look back and go, oh, God was up to something
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there.
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And so look at all these years later and all your children serving the Lord, all your family,
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that's in large part, and I learned from the late Dr. Edwin Lewis Cole that the characteristics
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of the kingdom emanate from the character of the King, first King Jesus, then those
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that he raises up.
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And so obviously the fruit of your marriage, the fruit of you two together serving has
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brought forth great fruit for your children, your children's children, and beyond that,
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serving so many other families and people around the world because of your commitment
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to each other, to the Lord, and to the calling that God's given you.
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The precious thing about our salvation experience when we shared it with our family members,
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our siblings, my five siblings came to the Lord just through our testimony.
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The Lord revealed himself to them.
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And Gary's three siblings also came to the Lord.
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And our parents.
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And his parents.
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So it was really, it really was household salvation.
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I was listening to a message this past Palm Sunday at a church after we finished doing
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our outreach for those who serve on the border, they had mentioned how there's something about
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first, those who are the first, those who have paved the way, like a John the Baptist
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who paved the way the first.
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And when you were sharing that, it reminds me of how though the rest of your family may
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not have known the Lord, but because you took that first step and because you committed
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to the Lord, it opened up a segue to the scripture that says you and your household
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shall be saved.
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And I think about my own family, I was the eldest son.
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And as a result of me making a stand for Lord, I was the first in the family.
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I was the first.
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And as a result, each one began to acknowledge Jesus as Lord.
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And so I see that even with you that you made that commitment to one another, to the Lord,
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to the calling of God.
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And God has been able to add all of your family to the place of joining the kingdom of God
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as well.
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Getting back to your service as well, and then your transition into the renewal that
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I know that back in the 70s also, and actually continued on throughout the 80s, there was
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a renewal, the Charismatic Renewal that happened in the Catholic Church, happened in Episcopal
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churches, happened in Methodist.
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It happened in ways that no one expected, but it was a commonality of the Holy Spirit
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moving that brought a lot of people together crossing racial, denominational, and generational
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lines.
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People that wouldn't seem to get along were all getting along because of the commonality
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of the presence of God.
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I've been talking to friends and people who were part of the Jesus movement, and they
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said there is uncanny similarities in the sense of what they sensed was happening during
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that time during the Jesus Revolution, the Charismatic Renewal, the outpouring of the
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Holy Spirit.
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There are some things that seem to be percolating right now that are very similar, and they
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have this sense that God is about to do something.
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You sense that as well?
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Oh yes, certainly when that revival broke out in Asbury, every night we'd go to YouTube
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and watch the services at Asbury Chapel.
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Kind of the amazing thing was in 1970, the same thing was happening at Asbury.
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They had a revival at Asbury in 1970, and there's something else that's kind of unexplainable,
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and I'm not going to attempt to predict why it's that way.
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But the Kansas City Chiefs won the Super Bowl in 1970, and they won it this year.
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Wasn't there a word?
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I think sometimes God does that just to show us that it's Him doing it.
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I heard that there was a word, I think it was Bob Jones, the late Bob Jones or others
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that said when the Kansas City Chiefs win the Super Bowl again, that there would be
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an outpouring of revival.
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Take those kinds of words and you put it on the shelf, but then all of a sudden they won
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not just once but twice in the last few years.
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We see then, of course, what you just said.
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I didn't see the correlation until just now that Asbury outpouring, Kansas City Chiefs
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won the Super Bowl back in 1970, and then we see where it is today.
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It's like God is obviously up to something, and I'm encouraged in the midst of all the
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unravelings and the shakings and the challenges and human and natural crises going on in the
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world, we are ripe for an awakening in the church and ripe for revival in the land, aren't
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we?
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Well, I guess so.
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You know, in the 1970s and even after that, the charismatic removal kind of renewal kind
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of swept the country and really other countries as well.
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And we were watching a Christian news channel last night and they were reporting that at
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least now this Asbury revival has spread to at least 200 other locations, not only schools,
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but churches and businesses all around the country.
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So we're suspecting that God's doing it again, and it seems like He's preparing His Bride
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for the soon coming bridegroom.
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So preparing the church for a harvest.
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The Lord has a way of having a scarlet thread in the midst of what seems to be detours,
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challenges.
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I remember prior to Asbury happening, there were some things percolating in different
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campuses where there seemed to be like this hunger and this desire for the presence of
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God.
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And so out of just a happenstance, I got a phone call from one of our partner ministries,
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Medical Missions International and Dr. Stuart Cordemont, who happens to live in College
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Station near Texas A&M and actually used to teach some there.
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He said, Doug, our speaker, Tommy Tenney, was unable to make it.
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And we do this once a month gathering tent revivals in different churches to get the
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kind of stir the winds of revival and working with these students here at A&M and the regional
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areas and students in colleges.
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And he said, is there any way you could take His place?
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And this is the last time I get, oh my goodness, I couldn't do two nights, but I said I could
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do the second night.
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So I went and sure enough, even though it was raining, even though it was a wet and
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rainy night, there was quite a few that gathered from these different schools and from A&M.
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You could sense there was something in this next generation saying, look, our hope is
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not in the institutions that seem to be failing us and imploding.
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There's something happening.
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And so I was honored to be there that one night.
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And then you fast forward, you see Asbury and all of a sudden, like you said, over 200
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campuses now experiencing something where the Lord is showing up and it's student led.
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It's not something that's being forced or try to make it happen.
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This is something organic that's happening that's like the Jesus movement and other out
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points where it became kind of a spontaneous organic move of God that is very encouraging
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to see and to hear about.
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Well, and it's happening to the younger people, the young generation.
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And I think our young generation are hurting.
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They're wounded in many cases.
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They don't see hope in the future like we did years ago.
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And God is visiting them and healing them and restoring them to his kingdom and restoring
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their hope and their future.
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Ministering to the young people and not leaving the older ones out.
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I want to be a part of it.
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Me too.
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Seems to be starting among the young people, doesn't it?
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I always tell all of our young friends, they look, we were young one time too.
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So don't leave us on this side of the river.
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Take us with you.
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We can be there for wisdom, encouragement, you know, they're going to come at a time
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you're going to need that.
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Oh, they said, come along.
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We'll make sure you don't leave us out here.
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Take us with you.
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So I do believe that we're going to see a multi-generational outpouring of the presence
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of God.
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And sometimes it comes through difficult times and through challenges, but it gets our attention.
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We get back to our first love.
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And then we see a sweeping move of the Holy Spirit that brings people into the kingdom
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and transforms lives.
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And because here you are looking at your bio, knowing you're part of your story, you are
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a very brilliant man, your family that you've raised in the Lord.
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At the same time, this calling to help a friend that was a mentor and also started Galcom.
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How did you transition into that?
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And then of course, did you have any idea that it was going to become the organization,
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this nonprofit that is as huge as it is today?
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Actually no, the man that started it is Harold Kent.
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And it was his home meeting that we started going to way back in the 70s.
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He and Joanne were having a home fellowship.
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And about the time I was getting out of the Air Force, he had gotten this word from the
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Lord and really an assignment to start Galcom International, to start sending solar powered,
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fixed tuned radios to the mission field to those that are oral learners.
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And there's a really in the unreached part of the world, a large percentage of them are
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oral learners.
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They prefer to learn by oral means rather than by reading and a lot of cases, even non-literate
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people.
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And so when I got out of the Air Force, he asked me what I was going to do and I didn't
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really know.
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He sent offers from a couple of colleges to teach, but he said, well, could you help me
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with Galcom?
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And I said, well, okay.
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So at that time, it was basically a checkbook and a tablet sheet with about 30 names on
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it.
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So I had to wind up building an international ministry with that beginning 501c3 public
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charity.
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And so I began working very often kids that I stepped out of a jet fighter into a spare
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bedroom with my desk facing a wall and sat there at a desk for a number of years, trying
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to get Galcom off the ground.
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But it was the grace of the Lord.
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It was an assignment that the Lord gave me and I knew it was from him.
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As I'm thinking back on it, when I came to the Lord, I had only about 12 years in the
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Air Force and I thought, you know, I'll bet God's going to call me out and send me to
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Africa or something.
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And, you know, I wasn't really looking forward to that, but I knew whatever the Lord had
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me do, I would have to do.
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And I was reading in first Corinthians, I think at seven, about 20, where it says, abide
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in the calling wherein thou art called.
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And when I read that scripture, I thought, oh, OK, I guess it's OK to stay here in the
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Air Force until he calls me out.
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Well, it got to be about 29 years and I was planning to retire at 30 anyway.
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And I thought, well, I guess the Lord forgot he never called me out.
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And Mary and I were skiing at a ski area in Western Virginia.
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And I see this sign on the lift station that said, Colonel Nelson, report, you have a message
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at the ski office.
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So we went over there and it was a message from the Pentagon, Colonel Goodrich, saying
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you've been selected for retirement next August.
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He said, if you have any questions, you know, make an appointment and come come up and see
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me.
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And I said, well, that sounds pretty clear.
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I don't have any questions.
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So actually, the Lord did call me out.
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You know, it was because that's when he needed me to take over and start GALCOM and help
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Harold out.
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And it just kind of confirmed that the Lord said, just stay where you are until I call
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you out.
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And he did.
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He called me out.
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And it was kind of a confirmation that this was an assignment from the Lord that he had
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for me to do.
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So I worked for a number of years.
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Well, like what you said, it was an assignment from the Lord because a friend of mine who
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is an Orthodox rabbi in Jerusalem says that in the original Hebrew, there is no word for
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retirement, just means a different assignment.
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And so it's truly for you, although you served 30 years in the Air Force, that that was a
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retirement in the natural, but really for a reassignment by the Lord for the next decades
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of your life to impact so many other people in different ways.
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I've got a lot of Bibles and I've never found the word retirement in any one of them.
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I think he always has a calling and a purpose for us.
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And I think he'll call us home when our job is done.
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But until we're finished, he has something for us to do.
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Now who would have thought that the development of GalCom, the technology that you've been
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developing even since the beginning, that I know we've been beneficiaries of that technology
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and what you've done through our ministry.
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Even before your daughter Jodi became our vice president, like I said, in Botswana and other
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places, of course, Jodi and I are involved in the ministries of somebody cares are involved
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a lot of disaster relief.
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And so during major hurricanes of the Gulf of Mexico, where their communications towers
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are down, your technology has been a huge help.
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In fact, I think we were working with friendships and others.
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They were able to take GalCom and use that as a transmission to a certain range within
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so many miles of people to get information when all the other communication towers were
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down.
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So it wasn't just used for sending out radio, one way radio into certain areas of the bush.
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It was also used for disasters.
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And of course, we've worked together and sending quite a few portable full Bibles.
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People are asking in the Ukraine, they were wanting Bibles in the midst of all the war
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that started there with Russia and Russia's invasion.
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And they were wanting Bibles in their language, and yet to take full Bibles and send them
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would be very cumbersome.
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And yet you were able to help supply and partner with us to get audible Bibles on the size
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of a cell phone and send them out there.
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And that went like hotcakes.
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People were loving it.
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Pastors or Ukrainian pastors say this is great.
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And even chaplains that were working with the Ukrainian military and others that were
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loving these Bibles because it was in their language, Ukrainian language, the full Bible
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on these little apparatuses that you all had developed and partnered with us on.
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So the technology has progressed over the years.
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And who would have ever thought that when you started at Galcom, that it would have
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that kind of impact even today.
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You talked about working down at the border.
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We've recently been aware of a large group of Haitian refugees that are in Mexico and
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Rianosa trying to waiting to get into the United States.
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I don't remember how many, about 6,000.
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So we've started sending Haitian Creole solar powered audio scriptures down to them and
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distributing them in Rianosa.
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I see Stacey on one of the panels here.
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Her and Tom are running Galcom now.
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And Tom is down there now in Rianosa distributing some of the audio Bibles in Creole to them.
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Yeah, God continues to use our audio tools.
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I think two, three years ago, we reached over a million solar powered radios and I think
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over two or three million audio Bibles.
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Of course, now we can put the audio Bible inside the radio.
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There's an opportunity to have a radio tuned to a Christian radio station and also the
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audio Bible embedded in the radio.
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So they can have a choice to either listen to the radio or listen to the audio Bible.
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It's amazing what we can do with the technology that God provides, but also the infrastructure
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that you all established all those years ago that is going far beyond probably what you
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could have imagined back then.
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Speaking of Rianosa and also throughout the Rio Grande Valley that we were just in, I
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was talking to the deputy director for that area for the border patrol and said that people
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don't necessarily understand, but the dynamic of people coming across are from all over
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the world.
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And they said that in fact, they confiscated 380 million tablets of fentanyl that has primarily
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been coming through from created in China and that the largest amount of people trying
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to cross into the country are actually from China and from places in the Middle East as
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well.
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So there's definitely an opportunity in the midst of trying to maneuver through a very
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volatile and complex time in our country.
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At the same time, the church needs to be on that front line with the gospel and planting
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the seeds of the gospel because we know what we sow today becomes a harvest for the future.
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I think most of these people coming across the border need Jesus.
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And it's up to the church to present them with the gospel and church and mission organizations
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like Somebody Cares and GALCOM.
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There's a scripture in Psalm 2, ask of me and I'll give you the nations as an inheritance.
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Well, he's bringing them here, isn't he?
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He's bringing people from I think I've heard numbers as high as 190 nations have come across
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the border.
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They need to be reached with the gospel.
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They can be blessed in this country if they can come to know the Lord.
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Well, that's the thing is that the first line of influence and defense is the gospel because
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as King Josiah when he had the reform of Josiah 622 BC, and yet Zephaniah really alluded to
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this that you can change and legislate, which is fine.
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But unless you deal with inward issues of the heart or corruption of the heart, there
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will be no lasting change.
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But we know the gospel changes hearts and transforms lives.
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And that's our first line of defense is getting the gospel into the hearts of people to see
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transformations.
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I'm enjoying this time with you.
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Thank you so much for taking the time.
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I want to move into something that maybe you've kind of talked about a bit, but all of us,
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even as Christians, because people see this, read your bios, see the successes of your
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life, what you've done in the Air Force as a teacher in universities, MIT and Boston
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University, as well as what you've been able to do in your service through the nonprofit
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and also the Galcom.
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When people see that, it's almost like looking at social media today.
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It's like you only see the good parts, but all of us are met with unexpected detours.
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We get the wind knocked out of us and we wonder how we're going to get past this.
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Have there been any incidences or a particular one that comes to mind as you encourage leaders
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will be listening to this podcast?
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Has there been times where you felt like the wind was getting knocked out of you and you
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just didn't see any way out?
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Like that time you didn't find a way you were going to be able to get out, but you found
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the Lord took you through those trees.
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Is there other times in your life that you felt like the Lord had to take you through
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some very unexpected detours?
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I'm very aware that the devil hates Christians and Christian leaders and his job is to steal,
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kill and destroy.
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And he's pretty good at it.
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He's been doing it for thousands of years.
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He doesn't have to change his tactics because it always works.
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But things that we've always watched out for was, you actually had a pretty good list in
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your book on leadership awakening about Christian leaders need to be careful about financial
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indiscretions, sexual temptations, pride, power struggles, family issues, loss of vision,
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and so forth.
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In the military, there are quite a few Christians and there were always other believers in the
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squadrons I was in.
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But one particular assignment, we were being persecuted because of our belief and our stand
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for the Lord and the leadership in the wing didn't like me.
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So I missed an opportunity for my first round of promotion to Lieutenant Colonel.
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And then I was sent to Korea to serve a third unaccompanied tour.
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And while I was in Korea, I was working for a two-star general, very demanding man, but
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he liked me.
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And so I did get promoted into Lieutenant Colonel under him.
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And then when I left, he asked me what I wanted to do.
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And I said, well, I'd like to be an F-16 squadron commander.
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So he recommended me for an F-16 squadron commander.
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And I was assigned back to McDeal where they were just transitioning into the F-16.
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I think partly because of his recommendation, I was able to get an F-16 squadron and get
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another promotion.
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So I wound up getting promoted to full colonel in the Air Force.
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But there were some struggles there.
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We struggled with this third separation for a year.
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The kids were in high school.
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I think Jody was in junior high.
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Debbie had started college in Utah.
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We were in Utah, living in Utah.
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So it was hard on the family, but God redeemed it.
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It was amazing.
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And really because of that assignment, we wound up with another son.
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Because Mary came to pay me a visit in Korea, we wound up with another son.
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So really the Lord really blessed us in that time of tribulation and trial.
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I mentioned the different traps and shortfall, the traps that the devil throws at Christian
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leaders.
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There's a lot of casualties because of those traps.
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And you enumerated them so well and covered them so well in your leadership awakening
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book.
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That brings a good point.
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Because you, under that place of dealing with some pressure and some element of persecution,
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that even kept you from seemingly at the moment from getting promoted.
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And yet you're living out your convictions.
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Ultimately, the Lord was the one who still took you to the place of your promotion.
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And I think sometimes as Christians, even in the workforce, in the workplace, we allow
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and acquiesce to the compromises or the pressure around us, not realizing that if we stick
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to our convictions in a godly way, that we will always outlast those who are persecutors,
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those who are adversaries, even our adversities, if we will truly walk out our personal covenant
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commitment to the Lord.
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Do you find that to be true, that in the midst of whatever we go through, we need to have
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standards that we know are uncompromising, that we will honor the Lord in those ways
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and He will always bring us through those times of adversity?
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Again, I'm thinking of that song, the song, all my life, he's been so, so faithful.
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And he is faithful.
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As long as we continue to walk with him and trust in him, he is faithful.
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And after my job as a squadron commander, there was a general that liked me and he wanted
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me to get promoted to a brigadier general.
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And he offered me a job at Langley as base commander, working for a four-star general
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so that I could make another promotion to brigadier general.
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I told him, I said, well, I need to pray with that with my wife to see if that's what the
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Lord wants me to do.
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And this general was a Christian too, so he understood that.
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So as we prayed, I felt like I felt a check in my spirit that I shouldn't take the job.
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So I called him back the next day, he was very disappointed.
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And I said, no, I don't think I'm supposed to take that job.
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And had I taken it and gotten promoted, I would have then served another five years
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in the military in the general officer rank.
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Turned out the Lord had another job for me and that was doing GALCOM.
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So when I got out, the job the Lord wanted me to do was GALCOM.
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And had I taken that position, the Lord would have found somebody else to do the job.
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But I was his choice at that point.
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So it's just being faithful and following his prompting.
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I think that's where the Lord had me for the next dozen or more years, 18 years.
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So the Lord literally had a different promotion for you.
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And now you have a lasting legacy because of the foundations you helped lay and even
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through the sacrifices made and the price paid that you have now have this lasting legacy
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of who knows how many people.
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And remember the old song, thank you for giving to the Lord that as you stand before the throne
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of heaven, how many people you would don't even know by name, maybe don't even know them
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by face, will be able to say thank you for taking that promotion from the Lord.
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And yet we could have justified the other, but yet you knew you had that check in your
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spirit and you chose to take the promotion for the Lord and move to another situation
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where you now you've impacted multiples of lives.
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And of course, raised your family as well and walked in your calling.
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Then I want to ask Jody, do you want it to make any comments?
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Because the stories I listened to from Jody and the family, you and Mary are truly highly
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regarded and respected and loved.
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And what a great testament of the Lord in your life that you and Mary have been able
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to create an environment by which all of your children truly do have a great respect and
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regard for you.
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Jody, would you, if you have any thoughts or questions or even comments, things that
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maybe your father has not been able to share that you felt like needs to be addressed?
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Back when he was talking about, we really grew up together as a family in the Lord.
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Mom and dad were very intentional about bringing us along to the things that they were learning
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in the Lord.
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I mean, we did have family Bible study and devotion every night when dad was home early
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enough before we went to bed.
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You know, I remember sitting around the dinner table writing on a big poster board, diagramming
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all of the kings of the Old Testament and talking about the good kings and the bad kings.
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And you know, when our family would face a trial, a challenge, we would pray together
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and we would see God answer and we would talk about that God answered it.
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So we were not, you know, mom and dad weren't over there living their Christian life and
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just bringing us kids along.
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We were living it together.
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We were seeing God move in our lives together.
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We were seeing signs and wonders and miracles in our family together, which enabled us to
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stand strong as a family and, you know, to pass those stories on to the next generation.
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And in Deuteronomy or Numbers, you know, when Moses is instructing the children of Israel
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in his final days, he says, you know, as you are walking with your children, tell them
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about the stories of the Lord.
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Talk about what the Lord has done in your life as you're working, as you're walking,
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as you're sitting at the table.
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And that was true of our family, which had made a marked impact on me.
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Even, you know, I had a few rebellious years in my teenage years, which mom and dad prayed
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me through, which I'm very thankful for.
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But even during that time, I always knew God was God and I always had boundaries.
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Even when I was in rebellion, there were always boundaries I would not cross.
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And I'm very thankful for that from a young age.
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And seeing them also not cross boundaries when we were in Utah, we knew that dad and
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mom was under persecution.
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I mean, he, you know, he didn't give us all the gory details, but we knew enough, you
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know, by what they said that he was undergoing persecution and he was standing for righteousness.
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So that builds up the family as a whole to be able to do that in the future.
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So I, you know, I'd say thank you for doing that because it's provided all of us with
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a legacy of walking with the Lord.
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During that time when we were, you know, studying the Bible, reading the Bible together, one
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time we were reading in Joshua, Joshua 24, 15, where Joshua is instructing the children
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of Israel and he says, choose through this day whom you'll serve, whether the gods on
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the other side of the river or the gods of the Amorites among whom you now live or but
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as for me in my house, we will serve the Lord.
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And at that point, when we read that as a family, I said, we need to adopt that as our
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family verse and a family covenant.
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But as for me in my house, we will serve the Lord.
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And they have all followed that covenant and the Lord has been faithful to that covenant.
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So I think that was a key decision in our lives just to decide we will serve the Lord.
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Amen.
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Well, there are very few people as well deserving for lifetime service acknowledgement.
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And thank you, Gary and Mary.
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Not only have you showed success in what you did in your career in the Air Force, serving
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this country, serving GalCom and helping to establish that and build that up to what it
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is today, but also obviously the lasting legacy from your children, your children's children,
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because you laid out foundational principles for lasting success and that so many today
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when they have cracked foundations, so many insecurities and challenges in the world in
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which we live, those are so necessary.
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And another lasting legacy is to know that while in a world where a large majority of
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people either don't get married or they're going through divorces and divorces and divorces,
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and yet you and Mary have been married, is it 64 years?
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Yeah.
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In just a few days, we'll have our 64th.
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Well, thank you for your example in so many ways.
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And we are so grateful for your service.
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Thank you for your example to all of us of what lasting success really is.
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Even through the difficulties that come in life, you've not compromised your convictions
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and the foundational principles that God gave you and you gave to your family.
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Gary, would you take a moment now in closing and pray for those who'll be listening to
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the podcast?
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Pray for others to find that place of consistency and success as leaders in their own right.
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Yeah, Lord, we just I just thank you for the opportunity to share our story, Lord, on how
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how you have been faithful all my life, all our lives.
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You've been so faithful, Lord.
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And I just pray for all those listening, Lord, that they will realize that even though at
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times it seemed dark, but you are faithful, Lord, and you have you've been watching over
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them all these years.
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And Lord, I just pray for particularly Christian leaders, Lord, that they'll not succumb to
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the temptations of the devil, but just maintain their faith and not lose heart.
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Lord, sometimes it doesn't look like it's working out all right.
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But Lord, in the end, you are faithful and you are trustworthy.
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Lord, I just pray that this word would just penetrate the hearts of those listening, Lord,
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and that they would realize that we serve a great and mighty God who is faithful.
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In Jesus name, I pray.
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Amen.
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Amen.
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Well, Jody, do you have any final comments before we close?
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A lot of the the things that I've learned and saw in my parents, I try to live out as
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they follow Christ.
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You know, it's the Paul says as follow me as I follow Christ.
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And I do that with them.
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And, you know, whenever someone asks me who are who are the people that you look up to
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the most, I have to say it's it's my mom and dad.
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And I know that I'm truly grateful for that, because unfortunately, there are many that
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don't have that example in their natural families.
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But in their spiritual family, they can have that as leaders, really, all of us believers
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open up our lives and our hearts to the harvest that's coming.
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I will say that when we first became believers, I mean, I was six years old, but we used to
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go out to Harold and Joanne Kent's house and they were our spiritual parents.
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They really guided and led us in our young spiritual walk and became family to us even
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all these years later.
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The Kent family and the Nelson family, we're we're we really are family still.
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And I would say as this new harvest is coming, God's bringing in a whole going to bring in
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a whole new new generation of believers.
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Those of us who've walked with the Lord need to open our hearts and our lives to them.
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We've been in a few years where we've all been holed up in our houses.
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And God's saying it's time to come out.
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Amen.
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Well, Gary, Mary, I was thinking, as Jody was sharing, that not only did you have a
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huge impact as you served as a veteran for our nation, but also through Galcom.
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And in large part, you've had a huge influence on Somebody Cares International because you've
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raised up your daughter, Jody, to become our vice president.
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And who would have known that?
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And in all these years that the investment that you had in her and in your children has
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now impacted our ministries on every continent around the world.
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So thank you again.
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So thankfully, you took the time today to be our guest.
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We just pray for God's richest blessings over you.
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And again, we thank you for your life.
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Thank you for your example.
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Thank you for your leadership example in so many ways, not just in the military, but also
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through the work you've done in your family, as well as the investments you've made in
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all of us.
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So thank you so much for being with us.
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We hope you enjoyed this episode of A Word in Season with Doug Stringer and Friends and
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