The Jesus Movement and Beyond, by Love Song's Chuck Girard

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Welcome to A Word in Season with Doug Stringer and friends.

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We share good news and godly wisdom to empower you to be salt and light in every season of life.

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Is revival happening now?

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Chuck Gerard, co-founder and lead singer of the group Love Song,

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explains his thoughts in light of his experiences in the Jesus Movement and beyond.

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In this insightful interview, Chuck shares stories from the early days of the Jesus Movement,

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compares and contrasts today's culture with that day,

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and gives some perspective on what God is doing.

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As you listen, you'll laugh, be inspired, and have your awe of God elevated to a new level.

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Now let's join our host, Doug Stringer.

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Well, Chuck, thanks for being with us today.

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My pleasure, Doug. Good to hear your voice.

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Likewise, it's been quite a few years.

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I was so excited when I saw the movie Jesus Revolution and brought back a lot of memories, obviously.

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And then, of course, the depiction of Love Song and you in the movie reminded me of so many things.

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And even the great aftermath and the tremors and the aftershocks of the Jesus Revolution that many of us were impacted by.

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And of course, you had such a huge impact on my personal life.

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In fact, I was talking to Lee Gray who said he goes back and listen to all your songs, including like Sometimes Hallelujah.

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Of course, that came back to mind as well to me.

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And of course, our mutual friend, Bubba Chambers from Blessed Hope and the Hope of Glory.

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And he was hoping to be on, but he's actually traveling right now and he just thinks the world of you.

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And again, thank you, Chuck, for being with us.

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And let me kind of give a brief bio for everybody with maybe the younger generation.

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And that is that Chuck Gerard is a singer, songwriter, recording artist and worship leader.

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For those of us that have been around quite some time, he is one of the primary pioneers of the contemporary Christian music scene.

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He was the co-founder and lead singer of the group Love Song from its beginning to the present.

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Los Angeles, raised in both Southern and Northern California, began playing music at a young age.

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You can go back and look at his bio.

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It's chuckgerard.com and you get a lot of good information there.

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But I'm going to ask him a few stories that really touched me.

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And of course, his connection to the outpouring that happened in the late 60s in 1970, 71.

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Well, there's Southern California known as the Jesus Revolution, became known as the Jesus Movement.

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I've got some friends on the Zoom call portion of this today that were recording that were part of those outpourings.

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And also in Houston with Youthquake and beyond.

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So many great ministries were born out of the Jesus Revolution that a lot of our relationships from last days ministries, World Challenge, Calvary Commission, Agape Force and on and on.

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And, you know, all those relationships that many of us have had over the years as a result of what God sovereignly did there at the Jesus Movement.

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So Chuck, thank you. Thank you.

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Thank you for being with us today and looking forward to reconnecting some more and also hearing from you about your perspective.

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In light of the Jesus Revolution movie that as you and I were talking that is based on a true story, of course, there's a lot of Hollywood licenses taking place.

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But the essence of it is God showed up, didn't he?

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Amen. Very good capsule review of the movie.

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When I first started watching it the first time, I was really disappointed.

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Then I realized this is not a documentary and this is Greg Laurie's story.

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And when I shifted gears there, then I began to enjoy it.

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I've seen it three times and each time I enjoyed it more and I recommend it to people.

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Before we get too deep into the movie, I just want to say we need to also recognize old Ray Johnson, remember Ray?

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Ray was instrumental back in the early days with Good Earth Concerts and he had so many of the early Christian artists into Houston and sometimes Dallas.

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And just so a little tip of the hat to Ray and he's still alive and kicking.

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We talked once in a while. So I just wanted to give props to Ray.

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Back to the movie. Yeah, it was, you know, there was obviously things that were, you know, factually disturbing.

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But overall, if you just look at it as a great story about a pastor with this hippie thing coming into his life,

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it's a very powerful movie and great evangelistic movie.

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And I encourage people to bring their friends to it because people are going to get saved with this movie.

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Well, you know, I found that being at my age and many people I've talked to that literally got choked up during times of the movie

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because I think the hunger in our hearts to see God move again, that movie,

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at least in the essence of the story of and the birthing of a movement like that in a very difficult time in our nation,

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much like we have today, resonated with some of us.

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And I think it just caused a lot of us to really go deep and to take personal reflection or review and say,

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God, do something like that again or in a different way, but just do it.

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And of course, the movie coming out right after the Asbury outpouring that happened again,

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in Kentucky, and we've seen parts of that and I think over 200 different locations and youth gatherings

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and campuses are having some element of this hunger for God that's showing up across the country.

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Yes. Well, there's a lot of reports of that connection on Facebook, people that are talking about being very touched by it,

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most of the ones who lived through it, but even some of the younger people that because it's just a powerful story.

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And I think they did a great job with that side of it, the emotional pull.

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Before we come into what happened there that really sparked this great movement that we were all affected by.

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And I alluded to this a moment ago that many great out points, at least in the context in America in the last couple of hundred years,

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came during times of difficulties or stormy things going on in our nation or in the world.

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You know, we can go back all the way to the Haystack prayer meetings in the early 1800s and all the way up to the Welsh revivals in Wales.

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And of course, what happened here in America and then fast forward to the Billy Graham era and the Adelaide Rain era.

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And then you look at the context of the Vietnam War and in Haight-Ashbury and the hippie movement.

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And there was such a resistance to the man, to the resistance to order.

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And there was an element of anarchy that was taking place, anti-establishment that we all were kind of pushing back from,

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drugs and, you know, free lifestyle and sex and rock and roll and all these things.

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It was with that, with Vietnam, with divisiveness and racism, all that came to a culmination moment.

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But yet it was interesting how God in that kind of environment, what seemed humanly impossible, poured out His Spirit.

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Where were you at in that process? Because obviously, I read part of your book.

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We'll talk about it a little bit. You were actually on the way and God had you arrested to keep you from probably

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going over the top in some areas. But tell us a little bit about your personal testimony.

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What kind of preceded you ending up in California and doing what you did during the Jesus movement?

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Sure. Well, I was not really very politically aware. I'll speak for myself.

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I was aware of what was going on in the world and in the United States.

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But today I follow it much closer, much, much closer.

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And I know what politics, how it fits into the, you know, spiritual scheme of things in the Bible.

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But back then that wasn't such a deal. What happened to me was I had heard about these hippies and I was curious about them.

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I got a chance to get a hold of some drugs. I had been into alcohol before that, but I'd never tried marijuana or any other drugs.

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And when I came, finally got somewhere down the road, I got a cap of acid.

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And that's what kind of turned me because there's this counterfeit spiritual experience that goes along with psychedelics and even marijuana, in my opinion.

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A lot of people are excusing it now, even as Christians. But to me, it's still a spiritual doorway.

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And you have to be very careful when you mess it around with that kind of stuff.

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You know, I was curious and I took LSD and all of a sudden I realized there was more to life than just the Earth life.

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And for me, it said I need to seek God.

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And so we thought that when I say we, eventually I hooked up with a number of other like-minded seekers.

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This is a very long story, squeezed into a very short time. And we thought that drugs were part of God's key to spirituality because it took courage to take drugs.

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And then when you did, you got to see this special thing that was happening.

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So that was kind of how we how we labored under that idea for like first, I don't know how long we the quest was two and a half, three years, something like that.

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Then eventually toward the end of it, we realized, hey, you know, it's cool to get high on a substance, but I want God.

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Now, we hadn't found God yet. We were still looking, but we had narrowed everything.

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We were reading Easter philosophies. We were reading all the different Timothy, Larry and New Age, this and that.

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We were really leaning toward the Bible. And toward the end, you know, if you ask me what my religion was, well, I'm mostly Christian, you know, which you can't really be.

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But that was kind of my attitude. I had to narrow it down to something that included Jesus. And then everything started to fall apart.

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We were living in Laguna Beach in an idyllic setting in a beautiful home overlooking the Pacific Ocean and a bunch about eight of us in a little hippie commune, self-formed hippie commune.

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We were there was nobody over us. We were just a bunch of guys living together.

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We started to get arrested. We were playing in nightclubs and we got busted in the nightclub.

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All of a sudden we're facing, you know, the dream is over, as John Lennon wrote later. And where do we go from here?

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I spent a day. I spent some time in Orange County jail. I was busted in Las Vegas and I was awaiting trial.

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And we so we would always pick up hitchhikers along Pacific Coast Highway.

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And we were in this dark place and usually pick up hitchhikers back in those days to get free weed or whatever.

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You know, you pick them up and they have a lid and they give you a joint. Now we're picking up kids and they're saying, hey, man, we found Jesus.

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And, you know, we'd say, well, we're looking for him. Where'd you find him?

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And we continue to hear about Calvary Chapel, Calvary Chapel, all these kids that hooked up at Calvary Chapel.

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And it was just God, you know, putting them in our path so that we would hear about Calvary Chapel.

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We were in our little commune house there one night and we would read the Bible all the time under the influence of drugs.

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And we happened to be in the passage where they were talking about speaking in tongues.

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Now, to really tell the story, I have to back up just a little bit.

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I used to take my guitar up above the house and look at the ocean and I'd get stone.

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And I used to sing in what I call free form, which was just making up words.

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A couple of times I did it. It drew a very dark feeling.

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I didn't recognize it as the devil or anything, but I thought, whoa, this isn't good.

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And I'd stop and go into the house and I stopped doing that because it was to me a negative thing.

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So I couldn't even figure out why tongues is in the Bible, because to me it was dark.

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So we decided we knew that there was a Christian house down in Newport Beach called the Blue Top where Lonnie Frisbee was the elder.

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We didn't know Lonnie at the time, but we said, well, those guys have already, you know, they're identifying as Christians and they're more Christians than we are.

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Let's go down there and ask him about tongues.

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So we drove the 15 miles down to Blue Top.

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We knocked on door number one and a bunch of hippies greeted us with loving faces, but also surprised.

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What are these five guys doing on our doorstep with the Bible in their hands asking about tongues?

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And they took us in and they loved on us.

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You know, we never did talk about tongues in the Bible, but you know, they were telling us about their church and their loving pastor, Chuck Smith,

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and you'll love him and you should go up and see the church.

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So that was my first exposure to Calvary Chapel.

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Again, not really politically aware, but that was sort of a real thumbnail sketch of my spiritual journey.

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We went to Hawaii.

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We thought we were the 12 disciples reincarnated and we thought that the New Jerusalem was going to be on the island of Kauai.

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So we moved over there.

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We sold all our possessions because it said to do that Matthew six and we were true hippies.

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I mean, we were really trying to live off the land in Hawaii.

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And of course, all that stuff comes to nothing, you know, and so eventually it burns out and we come back to the mainland.

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We wound up in Laguna Beach and that's where we hooked up with Calvary Chapel.

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Chuck, I've got a sidebar here.

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First time I ever went to Kauai.

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I didn't believe the story, but people that were like leftovers of the hippie generation said that the song that we used to sing,

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Puff the Magic Dragon that I thought was a children's song was actually written about Hanalei,

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Kauai where the fog would come in and out look like a dragon's mouth with all the hippies that was the farthest place they can get from mainland America.

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And they wanted to go over there and that's where they would get high and and puff.

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You know, they called the magic dragon, you know, their joints and and watch the fog.

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Well, Peter, Paul and Mary, I think deny that.

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I think that's true.

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They always deny when it comes down to it, you know, like Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds to me is still a reference to LSD.

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So yeah, that made sense to me.

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In fact, we lived in Hanalei for a while and so we felt really cool.

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Man, we're in the land of Puff the Magic Dragon, man.

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It was cool.

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Yeah, we related to that song.

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Well, going back even before then, because when you were young, you started a band at an early age and and you called your group the Castells and you had actually a couple of top 20 hits during that time.

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Tell us a bit about it.

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That is correct, sir.

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Tell us a little bit about that journey and how you got into music and why you, you know, music became your outlet.

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Sure.

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Well, I was my age now.

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I'm pushing 80, believe it or not.

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And I always felt kind of cool that I was born in the timeline of rock and roll when I was 15, 16.

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I was old enough to get interested in music and the first music that was out there was like the early rockabilly and the stuff that was developing to begin to become rock and roll.

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And then Elvis hit the hit the scene and I was hooked.

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You know, I love the sound.

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I love Elvis's voice.

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So I started getting into it.

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My older sister was into doo-wop and she was bringing home doo-wop records and I was listening to those.

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So I got bit by that bug and I started a girl came to our house.

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I was about 10 or 11 at this time.

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I lived in San Francisco and she played the chords to Heart and Soul Bomb.

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And I felt like the key to the universe was unlocked and I started to write my own songs, practice on the piano and tried to, you know, write some music.

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I wasn't very successful at it, but at least play it.

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When I got in high school, we decided to put a little group.

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It wasn't a band in those days.

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It was a vocal group and we started the group out of choir class and there was four of us that started the Castells.

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We were in high school.

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So we put together other people's songs.

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We had, I think, one song that I wrote and we started to play for different events around town and we met this DJ.

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We used to go up to the transmitter.

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He'd be alone up there working and we'd go up there where he's on the air.

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And we kind of tell in between songs, we'd say, play this next.

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And we kind of became program managers of the station while we were there.

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We have some connections.

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He said, I can get you on a show with Sano and Johnny.

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Now, Sano and Johnny was a duo instrumental that had a group that had a song called Sleepwalk that a lot of people have heard.

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So we were on that show in Santa Rosa, California, at the Veterans Memorial.

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I was in Santa Rosa High School at the time.

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Then this DJ said, why don't you guys make a demo?

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I've got some connections in Hollywood.

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So we did. We went to San Francisco.

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We spent a hundred dollars on a little demo with our piano and barely anything on the demo.

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We went down to Hollywood and we knocked on some doors.

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We got a record contract with a label called ERA Records that had been really kind of an upswing at that time.

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They had a number of records on the charts and they signed us.

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And so we went into the very famous studio called Gold Star with people called the Wrecking Crew that some of the musicians will know what I'm talking about.

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I had the best musicians in Hollywood playing on our records.

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It was a little bit refined for us.

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We consider ourselves to be more like an R&B type group.

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We weren't, you know, the records became a little more polished and they put strings on them and stuff.

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But the records were released and two of the songs hit top 20 on the Billboard charts.

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Well, that's the thrill no matter what, you know, it's just great to hear your song on the radio and be on the charts.

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So that was how I got into that whole side of things.

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And that group lasted just a couple of years.

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We went to a couple of different labels and then eventually it dissolved.

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And I got into surf music and worked with a guy that had co-written a song with Brian Wilson called In My Room that people would remember.

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And I did hot rod surf music for about four years as a studio rat.

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Just a guy coming in for work for hire, you know, and I sing all these sessions.

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But we were working all the time, making lots of money for young guys.

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And there was a song that came out of that called Little Honda by the Hondels.

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First year, it's all right.

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And I was the lead vocalist on that song.

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That's a little more famous than our Castel songs.

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But that's how I got into music.

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And then when the Beatles came in, it changed the whole face of music.

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And all of these studio type groups were everybody was looking for bands now, self-contained bands.

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They lost interest in what we were doing and kind of petered out.

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And so I left that scene because there was no scene anymore and started doing, you know, bar bands.

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And that was the beginning kind of tying into where we started when we started looking for God.

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And we were musicians.

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All the guys up in the house were musicians, maybe one or two, but about eight guys, six of us were musicians.

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And so that kind of ties in those two stories.

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But that's how I got started.

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It's a big thrill to have records on the radio as a young guy.

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I was on shows with people.

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Yeah, I was on shows with people like Jerry Lewis.

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I mean, my eyes were popping out.

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I'm not on stage, but I'm on the same show as Jerry Lewis and Brenda Lee and Bobby V and Jackie Wilson and all these people.

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So it's like a dream for a kid that used to just listen to these 45s.

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That was my life to listen to this pop music and listen to pop radio.

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So that was a big thrill.

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And that was the beginning of my music.

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Yeah, at that time a career now it's a ministry.

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But that's how I got started.

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And it was a thrill, you know, just really pleased with that part of my life.

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All the addictions of stuff came with it.

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But it was still a really nice time in my life.

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Well, you had mentioned Brian Wilson.

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He had worked with the Beach Boys too, didn't he?

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And he worked with you guys.

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Well, Brian was the Beach Boys.

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He was the lead singer.

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Actually, how I met Brian was through our manager.

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We had Castells had kind of lost their mojo and Brian had put out word that he was looking for groups to produce outside of the Beach Boys.

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And so our manager's secretary was a girl who was in a group with Brian's wife.

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So she contacted Brian and he knew of us.

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He knew our songs and he agreed to produce our record.

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And so we only made one song with him, but it got me introduced to him.

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We made a song called I Do by the Castells.

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Then I lost touch with him for a little while.

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We used to have a baseball league and we played baseball with Brian Wilson and Jan Dean and Bruce Johnson and all those guys.

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Then after the hippie days kind of, you know, when the hippie days started, I lost touch with Brian.

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But I had a pretty good run with Brian for a while when we would do when Gary started hiring me for these work for hire sessions.

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Some of the songs were Brian's and he would come in the studio on two songs.

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We actually sang together on the same song sang lead.

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I was listening to an interview that your daughter, Lisa, did who used to be the Zoe girl.

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And she did interview with you is really great because it was so good to see you and your daughter bantering back and forth and reminiscing.

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You mentioned something about your time with the work of Leon Russell, Chuck Berry.

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Of course, you mentioned Jerry Lee Lewis.

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But then you mentioned there was a young kid that met you in the studio and then he remembered you.

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You didn't remember him. His name was Keith Green.

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Tell us about that story.

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Yeah, well, you took the punch line from me here.

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No, I always tell the story. This is when I worked for Gary Usher.

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Yes, it was. And Gary was branching out trying to find artists.

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And he found this young kid. I always I don't identify the kid until you know, the punch line.

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It was Keith Green and he was about 13 and we came into the studio.

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We didn't know who he was. It was just another session for us.

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We learned his songs and we started to record and he came in with his dad and he was very self-assured.

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Okay, it was great. He was really talented.

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He could play the piano just almost like he could, you know, back when he became Keith Green, the adult.

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So anyhow, that was my connection with him and I remembered his name, but I didn't think he'd remember me.

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And then years later, when I became a Christian, one of the things that happened in my life was that a little Bible study

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started in my living room with Ken Gullickson and became The Vineyard.

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It was a house meeting for a while and then other house meetings in different places we met.

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And then finally Ken Gullickson found a church and we started the actual church and Keith Green got saved there.

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I kept hearing from people in the congregation.

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They'd come up and say, hey, a guy named Keith Green got saved says he knows you.

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And I thought, well, the only Keith Green I know is that little 13 year old.

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And then I realized, well, now he's 23. He's not 13.

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So anyhow, we connected and he had remembered me.

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I don't know why, you know, because I was just one of the three or four guys singing background on his records.

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So we connected. I actually helped him get started because he wasn't known yet.

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If I had someone ask me for a date and I had it booked, I'd refer them to him.

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I say, well, this young guy named Keith Green, he can do it.

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And then sometimes he opened for me until his name skyrocketed.

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And then I got left in the dust because he became extremely popular very quickly.

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Yeah, it was a great little connection because it was so much fun to work with him as a kid.

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And then and then get to know him as an older adult.

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Those records can be found on YouTube to the Keith Green record.

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You can probably find it somewhere on Deco label.

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It's amazing how in this last few years, a lot of people,

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younger people that maybe didn't know who Love Song was or hadn't heard your songs or hadn't heard Keith Green.

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There seems to be a resurrection of a lot of that where people begin to sing it as if they think you guys are a young group again,

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because the music is starting to recirculate.

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And I think even with the movie that just came out, lots of people are talking about some of your music again.

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And when you formulated Love Song, tell us about that journey and how you ended up at Calvary Chapel

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and became a part of the revival that broke loose there with Lonnie and with Chuck Smith.

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And you guys were one of the primary bands that was a part of that.

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Yeah, well, let's back up a little bit back still to the days when we were kind of playing the nightclubs as hippies.

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I think we started playing it. I know we did.

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I just don't know when it was. We played as the Love Song before we were Christians.

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We had moved to Salt Lake City and Jay Truax had moved back there, our bass player, and he had put together a little power trio.

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They were with an agency in Salt Lake City and the agency would book all the big concerts with people like Janis Joplin and 3 Dog Night.

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And they'd always put Jay's group on Spirit of Creation as the opening act.

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I came back there, a really long story. It's all in my book.

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I came back there to be with Jay because he invited me to join his band.

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It didn't work out, but it brought me to Salt Lake City.

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After their band disbanded finally, and we put together a rather large family type band called Love Song.

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We played at this amazing club called the Old Mill that was just that.

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Some old kind of either a gristmill or something. It was all stone.

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And of course, with the, you know, it all looks like a castle inside and with the strobe lights and everything.

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It was quite cool for the kids that came to the nightclub. So we played there.

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We came to house band there. Then somebody heard about our music in Hollywood, believe it or not.

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Oh, I think the agent did it. The agent took some of our music and sent it to somebody in Hollywood at Liberty Records.

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And they sent a talent scout out to check out our music because we had this song that I'd written called Lead Me Out of California.

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Back in the days when everybody was thinking California was going to fall into the ocean.

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And I wrote this song about the Lord lead me out of California earthquake coming any day.

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Maybe take me to Hawaii. Anywhere you send me is okay.

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And he came back and he heard that song and he said that could be a hit.

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So they were going to sign us. Anyhow, that finally did. I won't labor on that.

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That fell apart. We never did sign with them.

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But that's when we first played his love song.

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And then we moved back the next step. We came back to where we were in Laguna Beach there.

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Right. So that's kind of in the middle of all the stories I've told you already.

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So then when we started picking up the kids that were hitchhiking and hearing about Calvary, I went up one night by myself.

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The guys had gone up. We'd all gone up at different times and different combinations.

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But I had held off because I didn't want Christianity.

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I had been raised in a Christian denomination and I had thrown that away.

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And I don't want that. I want to I want to find God somewhere up on a mountain where a guru says we're on our way.

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So but I felt like if I'm a really open minded seeker, I need to do this.

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I need to go and check this out because all these hippies are talking about it.

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So I went to the church. It took me about five times.

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Calvary was in Santa Ana. There was a big thing of vineyards there and a really long drive.

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Maybe four, maybe two miles around the get around the block to get around Calvary's block, maybe a little less.

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But so anyhow, I drove around about four times.

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So I got my courage up and I just decided, OK, park the car, go in.

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And let's check this out and get it over with.

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So I sat in the back seat so I could make my escape.

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And Chuck Smith was teaching that night, not Lonnie.

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But I heard this music. These kids would get up and they would sit on a stool and sing the song that quote God gave them last night.

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And it was touching me really deeply.

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I didn't know about the anointing or the Holy Spirit.

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I just knew that this music was that I felt was kind of substandard to what I didn't listen to you because I was kind of a musical snob.

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I like, you know, Pink Floyd and groups like that.

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But I couldn't figure out why I was being so deeply moved.

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And then all of a sudden, the Holy Spirit just took a hold of me and shook me up, really, you know, just started to really minister to me.

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And I think it's important here to tell you that my philosophy at that time, where I was at in my spiritual journey was that there were songs like John Lennon.

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I'm in you and you're in me and we are all together.

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And I felt like before any person could be totally saved, all people had to be saved.

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So you had to do your part and live the best you could.

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And we were not into free sex and all that stuff.

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And we were doing the drugs, but we thought they were good.

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So we were trying to live moral lives.

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And all of a sudden, I realized that that's not true.

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It's a one on one thing.

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And God just spoke to my heart.

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This burden lifted off me and I felt just, you know, this deluge of God's love come into my, I was laughing and crying.

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I don't know what they thought on the back seat there.

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Then they had the altar call.

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I didn't go to the front to the altar call.

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I just said, well, God, you know, this looks like something I need to look into.

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You know, I'm going to be here till you tell me to look back, you know, to tell me to leave because I felt like if it was just a stepping stone,

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God would be faithful enough to move me into the next level or whatever.

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But that's the night I believe I got born again.

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And I never looked back after that.

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And, you know, my faith just got stronger in my heart because of Chuck Smith of the word.

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But how we got to play at Calvary was not like in the movie.

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In the movie, Lonnie, the Lonnie character comes into Chuck's house and says, well, Chuck, I met these guys at a coffee shop and we're playing Chuck's living room.

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And we never played in Chuck's living room that I remember.

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But what happened was we were going to Calvary, we were several months or three or four weeks old in the Lord.

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And we we'd heard Lonnie preach.

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We loved Lonnie. He looked like Jesus.

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And we thought, wow, he looks like Jesus.

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We look like, you know, because we sold the Nash or something.

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Our music would be a bit fit here.

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Let's go see if the pastor will let us play.

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So we went went into Chuck's office and we asked if we could talk to Chuck.

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And Pastor Chuck took us out to the sanctuary and he asked us to give our testimonies, which we did at the end of it.

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Oh, by the way, I have to insert this about 2010, 2011, we toured with Chuck again and we had a lot of intimate conversations.

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He told me, he says, you know, when you guys came in the sanctuary that day, there was no way out what you played, you know, because you had baby Christians with long hair and drums.

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But at the end of the interview, he asked us to play a song.

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So we played well, in fact, I know it was Welcome Back.

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And the Holy Spirit just doubted him.

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And the next thing we heard was, can you guys play tonight?

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That was a huge, successful audition.

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And the meetings were always at seven.

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And we said, well, Chuck, our guitar player gets out of jail on these serving weekends, doing weekends in Orange County jail, but he gets out at six.

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So we'll go collect him and we'll be here at seven.

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And we were and we played that night.

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Lonnie spoke.

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And I'm not saying because Love Song was there, but it seemed to me when I looked back on it, it's in place to have this groundswell of salvation among hippies.

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And when we started playing, that church grew from about 300, 250, 300 people to about 2000 in four months.

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Maybe hippies were telling their friends and the droves, they had all to cause you wouldn't believe 50, 60 percent of the congregation would come to the front to receive Jesus for the first time.

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So they had to move into the tent at that time because they couldn't accommodate them any longer.

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And we were getting in trouble with fire marshals because everybody was sitting in the aisles.

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So they put the tent up, which, by the way, was not white.

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It was a green tent.

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It was just a funky old tent, but it held about 2000 people and that's where we had leaves until they raised the money to build the church that's there today.

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So that's how we got started.

403
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,400
And then we thought we were just house band at Calvary.

404
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,200
Media began to emerge on Calvary.

405
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,800
They realized the photo op there, so to speak.

406
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:34,900
Right. They saw hippies and straight people would call them straight, but I mean, not hippie people and a not hippie pastor and a hippie preacher.

407
00:30:34,900 --> 00:30:38,500
And they saw the publicity possibilities of that.

408
00:30:38,500 --> 00:30:39,700
So they would come down to Calvary.

409
00:30:39,700 --> 00:30:45,500
I mean, we had major life magazine, Look Magazine, the big Newsweek and all that stuff.

410
00:30:45,500 --> 00:30:49,200
ABC, NBC all came to do stories on the Jesus movement.

411
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,700
Well, a lot of times our band was playing and we'd be in those articles.

412
00:30:52,700 --> 00:30:56,100
So our star rose very quickly, very quickly.

413
00:30:56,100 --> 00:31:02,600
And we started to play other places in Calvary and we started doing schools and everything.

414
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,800
We never said no, if we could play.

415
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,600
Sometimes we played three times a day.

416
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,400
We were our own roadies.

417
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,000
We brought our own equipment in.

418
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,000
We broke it all down.

419
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:16,200
We'd have lunch, go back to it in the afternoon, have a concert in the evening for almost like a year.

420
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:16,900
It was like that.

421
00:31:16,900 --> 00:31:20,900
It was like, you know, not not every day, but for big huge clusters of time.

422
00:31:20,900 --> 00:31:23,800
And we would be playing that many times.

423
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,500
And we were all in it for God.

424
00:31:25,500 --> 00:31:28,800
And we just wanted to evangelize our our generation.

425
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,400
So we we didn't turn on any opportunities.

426
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:38,900
We were kind of in a great position because an empty Nestor couple had invited us to stay in their home

427
00:31:38,900 --> 00:31:43,500
and they supported us for a year while we got on our on our way in our ministry.

428
00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:46,000
So we wouldn't have to worry about rent and food and all that stuff.

429
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:52,000
Dean and Jean Gilbert, they're both deceased and they were our parents for a little while.

430
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,200
Our pseudo parents.

431
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,400
So that that was kind of how we got started in more of the national ministry.

432
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,400
We toured the nation at least one big tour.

433
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:06,200
And a lot of little jaunts out to this this city or three city tour or whatever.

434
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:11,200
So we did a lot of touring then in the next couple of years.

435
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:16,300
There's a lot of things that you've been sharing to that are in your book called Rock and Roll Preacher

436
00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:20,700
from Dewalk to Jesus Rock Chuck Girard, a pioneer of contemporary Christian music.

437
00:32:20,700 --> 00:32:23,800
I got the download on and started I mean, I downloaded from Kindle.

438
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,800
I've been reading it very candid, very honest.

439
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,100
You really weave a lot of story in there from the early days.

440
00:32:30,100 --> 00:32:32,100
All the way to and through Jesus movement.

441
00:32:32,100 --> 00:32:34,900
A question came up that someone has asked me to ask you.

442
00:32:34,900 --> 00:32:37,600
How did you end up writing the song?

443
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,600
Hear the angels sing?

444
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:40,600
Yeah, okay.

445
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:41,600
That's a good story.

446
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,600
Sometimes I don't remember a thing about how I wrote a song, but here's what happened on that one.

447
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,400
I was solo ministry at that time.

448
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:48,900
I was out of love song.

449
00:32:48,900 --> 00:32:51,900
And a lot of times I just do candle concerts.

450
00:32:51,900 --> 00:32:55,600
You know, I didn't sometimes I took a band, but I did a lot of stuff solo.

451
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,000
I believe it was a solo concert.

452
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,000
I can't remember where it was.

453
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:04,800
But after the concert, a really old man, he's probably my age now.

454
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,800
But it was old to me.

455
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,800
He came up and he said he had me a piece of paper and walked away.

456
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,000
So I put it in my pocket, forgot about it.

457
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:17,600
And then when I got back to the hotel or where I was staying, sometimes private homes,

458
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,800
I took it out and it said the first lines of that song.

459
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,400
And I can almost hear that city.

460
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:27,100
See that city standing there beyond that hill, the city made for living in the Father's will.

461
00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:29,300
And I thought, wow, this is great imagery.

462
00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:31,600
This is out of Revelation.

463
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,600
So I took that little four line star.

464
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,400
He didn't put his name there or his phone number.

465
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,100
I might have given him a writing credit if he had, but he just wanted me to have something.

466
00:33:40,100 --> 00:33:42,700
And people hand you that stuff all the time.

467
00:33:42,700 --> 00:33:47,800
And sometimes it's something of value to you and other times it's not.

468
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,100
But I just thought that was a great line.

469
00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:54,800
And I went to Revelation and I took a bunch of the images out of Revelation.

470
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,100
And the chorus came and that's how the song, you know, you go to the piano and you work it out.

471
00:33:59,100 --> 00:34:00,900
And I started with those four lines.

472
00:34:00,900 --> 00:34:06,400
So somewhere that little man gets a reward in heaven because he helped me write that song.

473
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:07,300
Wow.

474
00:34:07,300 --> 00:34:12,500
Well, you know, I was thinking about something you said about just the attention that Time magazine

475
00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:18,100
and so many others gave during the outpouring there that started what we call the Jesus Revolution

476
00:34:18,100 --> 00:34:19,400
or Jesus Movement.

477
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:26,000
And I think about even how Rolling Stone in 1971 quotes you and talks about you there as well.

478
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,600
And then I remembered even my friend Steve Hill, the evangelist who's gone to be with the Lord

479
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,200
and the outpouring that they had at the Pensacola revival.

480
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:40,800
And there are moments in time where there are undeniable things that are taking place

481
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:47,000
that maybe the world doesn't understand, but they do recognize it's spiritual and it's undeniable.

482
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:52,300
Magazines like Time magazine back then or Rolling Stone, then and with what happened at Brownsville

483
00:34:52,300 --> 00:34:57,800
revival and even some things that I was involved in that they tried to come and to be critical

484
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:02,400
of a large prayer gatherings that we were hosting for people across racial, denominational,

485
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:03,300
generational lines.

486
00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:07,700
And the more they came to be critical, they were more and more moved by it.

487
00:35:07,700 --> 00:35:12,800
I remember one time Rolling Stone said to me, so is this like a new movement?

488
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,800
I said, no, this is what real Christians do.

489
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,000
And so they were like, yeah.

490
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,600
So they began to do a lot of research and because of that, the person that was hired

491
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,400
to write the story couldn't write the story that they were sent to write because they

492
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,300
saw a whole different perspective and they were self-proclaimed agnostic and yet were

493
00:35:29,300 --> 00:35:30,800
so touched.

494
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:35,000
Things like the Jesus movement, things like these other things, sometimes even the world

495
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,200
recognizes, they might be questioning it, but it's undeniable that something spiritual

496
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:40,200
is taking place.

497
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,000
Do you sense that we're on the precipice of something like that again?

498
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,000
You know, I've been asked that question for the last seven or eight years.

499
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,600
Let me tell you my view on it and then I'll tell you my comment on what's going on right

500
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,100
now with Asbury and all that real quick.

501
00:35:54,100 --> 00:35:58,300
But when I first started getting the question, I would just say something like, yeah, I'd

502
00:35:58,300 --> 00:35:59,600
love to God to do it again.

503
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,000
Then it occurred to me, this is in my book as well.

504
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,000
I began to think about it and I thought, you know, I think God will move.

505
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,400
Of course, God never stops moving.

506
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:10,400
So let's forget that.

507
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,880
But when you talk about we view things through our American lens.

508
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:19,160
So we think a revival is in America, but there are revivals for a long time and all over

509
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,160
the world.

510
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,480
There's persecution all over the world, but we tend to see things through our American

511
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:25,480
lens.

512
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,800
And so we're kind of thinking, you know, when is a revival going to happen again?

513
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,400
We're talking about America.

514
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:37,440
Well, what was unique about the Jesus movement was that it was maybe the first time in history

515
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:43,800
that at least for sure, the first time that so many people were influenced and driven

516
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,080
by one counterculture, the hippie counterculture.

517
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,180
And then the hippie counterculture was driven by the music.

518
00:36:50,180 --> 00:36:53,920
We thought the Beatles were prophetic voices and Bob Dylan and all that.

519
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,720
So we're listening to all that music, the secret messages.

520
00:36:56,720 --> 00:37:02,360
It's really interesting that wherever people were spiritually seeking, to me, it all came

521
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,700
to a head the late part of the 60s.

522
00:37:05,700 --> 00:37:09,200
It was all kind of crashing down around the hippies and everything.

523
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,240
And everybody was looking for where's the next place to go spiritually, because all

524
00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:15,640
these other people have let us down.

525
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:21,080
So that's where I believe the spiritual preparation all over for people who are being drawn by

526
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:26,840
the same music, the same voices, the same spiritual teachers like Timothy Leary, you

527
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:32,200
know, counterfeit spiritual teachers, were all brought to the same point of disillusionment.

528
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:37,120
And then when God took the switch on the Jesus movement, it was low hanging fruit.

529
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,400
Everybody was ready to drop right into the kingdom of God and find Jesus.

530
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,520
What was the next and ultimate step?

531
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:48,040
Well, I feel it's different now because we don't have, you know, now we have all kinds

532
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,440
of subcultures of counterculture.

533
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:56,340
We have the skinheads and white supremacists and the Goths and there's all categories.

534
00:37:56,340 --> 00:37:58,480
So I don't see God doing it that way.

535
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,480
Again, I don't really have a prophetic statement about it.

536
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:11,400
But all of these Toronto's and Brownsville's and Asbury's are kind of what could be, you

537
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,480
know, okay, there's flaws in all of it.

538
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:14,480
Okay.

539
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,840
And my daughter, Alisa Childers speaks to this.

540
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,280
That's really her ministry.

541
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:24,340
And she's got that book out called Another Gospel, where she talks about all these kind

542
00:38:24,340 --> 00:38:29,800
of things, the things we need to be careful about when we talk about revival.

543
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:36,280
One distinction I'll make, Asbury and Toronto and even Brownsville, now I was, Lindell Cooley,

544
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,120
who was the worship leader at Brownsville, was my pastor for three years.

545
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:44,600
So I know a lot about Brownsville and I know that was a very sincere, genuine move of God.

546
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,860
They were all more charismatically based signs and wonders and all that stuff.

547
00:38:48,860 --> 00:38:53,680
What was different about Calvary, what happened at Calvary was it was word based.

548
00:38:53,680 --> 00:39:03,840
That really didn't allow or the Holy Spirit didn't try to bring forth very much spiritual,

549
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,960
charismatic type, you know, people speaking in tongues or falling down under the power

550
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,380
of God in those meetings.

551
00:39:09,380 --> 00:39:11,320
We came from Bible cities.

552
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,400
We came to hear the Word and there were always altar calls.

553
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,600
And that was the secret of that whole revival because everybody emulated what was happening

554
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,640
at Calvary Chapel to a degree.

555
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,560
It was the preaching of the Word.

556
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:29,560
So what's happening today, the only caution I say is that as you may know, what I like

557
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:36,080
about Facebook and my Facebook page in particular is I have maxed out my personal page to 5,000,

558
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,480
but they're all people that started out like me.

559
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:44,360
I've had my page about 20 years and I can get the temperature of the church by just

560
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,520
going through Facebook posts.

561
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:50,880
I don't respond back hardly ever because I don't think Facebook is a place for dialogue.

562
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,080
It never works out, but I like to listen to what people are here read, what people are

563
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,080
saying.

564
00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:01,400
There are a lot of people questioning what's going on in these different revivals and things.

565
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:07,360
And we need to be cautious because there are some dangers that come in when so much of

566
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:14,640
it is based on, I'm not saying it's not genuine, I'm not saying that it's not great, but a

567
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:20,680
little more reason for caution before we get too carried away with calling it something.

568
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,200
Don't call it something.

569
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:29,600
In fact, I encourage everybody to watch a podcast by my daughter, Elisa Childers.

570
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:35,000
If you go on YouTube and then you put in the Asbury, what comes up that you should listen

571
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,640
to is my daughter is interviewed by a podcaster.

572
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,640
There's another guest, I think he's taught or spoken at the school, but also the Dean

573
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:48,400
of the Seminary is interviewed along with my daughter and they talk about the movement

574
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,000
that's going on right now and my daughter brings up some salient points that should

575
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,000
be considered.

576
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,120
Mostly she says these are questions we should be asking.

577
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:01,040
She's not criticizing or putting it down, but she is saying we need to view with caution.

578
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,480
So how is it going to happen in the end times?

579
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:04,480
I don't know.

580
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:09,480
I have people who think there'll be false revivals, there's false salvations.

581
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,920
You know, I look at everything my personal viewpoint is.

582
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:17,120
I used to be a little bit more in the area of warning people and I still warn people

583
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:22,360
about stuff I know is happening because what I say about Facebook is there's a lot of weird

584
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,320
stuff people are into in the church.

585
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:28,480
There's people that are cessationists and they don't believe in the gifts of the Spirit

586
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:29,480
anymore.

587
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,080
People don't believe there's hell.

588
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,560
So you've got to be really careful about all that stuff.

589
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,600
How it's going to be at the end times, I don't really know.

590
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,600
Here's what God told me, okay?

591
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:41,880
I have to warn the church.

592
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:47,560
I have to be and God said, look, just you can warn people, but you can't change the

593
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:48,720
church.

594
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:51,800
So just he brought me to the parable, the wheat from the terrors.

595
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:56,680
And he said that it'll all grow up at once and there'll be genuine things happening in

596
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,320
the middle of I'll use it all.

597
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,040
That's what I thought God said.

598
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,120
I'll use because well, let me go back in minutes.

599
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:03,800
I'll finish this statement first.

600
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:04,800
I'll use it all.

601
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,160
And then in the end, separate the wheat from the chaff.

602
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:08,840
Well, I forgot my thoughts.

603
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:09,840
So let's just move ahead.

604
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:14,520
But that's my kind of that's my feeling on the revival right now.

605
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,000
You can't change people's minds.

606
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,040
You can input to them and you could cause them to think, but they have to make their

607
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,280
own decisions about what's real and what's not and what they choose to believe and what's

608
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:27,280
not.

609
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:34,360
I think sometimes on the swing of the pendulum, we go to one side thinking that God isn't

610
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,280
doing anything because we question everything.

611
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:42,120
And then we swing the other side that we have anything goes and there's no sense of discernment.

612
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:47,760
And yet we look at the scripture that says it takes oxen to get the job done.

613
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,400
But if you're going to use the oxen to be subverted, then the trough was going to get

614
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:52,400
a little dirty.

615
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:57,400
So I think that like you said, discernment, letting God sort out the wheat and the tears.

616
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:58,640
I'm looking for hunger.

617
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,960
And I winky Pratney was on one of our calls and did one of our podcasts.

618
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:08,200
He's in New Zealand obviously now, but we were talking about how he said, you know,

619
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,400
I think too often we're seeking for revival.

620
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,840
Rather, we should be seeking the revival giver.

621
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:15,840
And there is a distinction.

622
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:20,920
How many times we worship the worship rather than worshiping the one who's worthy of our

623
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,320
worship.

624
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:23,920
And so I think what you're saying is true.

625
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:24,920
We need to.

626
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:29,880
And in fact, it was even Smith Wigglesworth of all people that before he died in 1947

627
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:35,760
said that the great revival will come when the ministry of the word is connected to the

628
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,160
ministry of the spirit.

629
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:38,160
And that's so true.

630
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,800
I've seen people that really have a hunger for the word, but also open to the Holy Spirit

631
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:48,440
tend to be deeper in their balance, but also more open for God to do things in a very powerful

632
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:49,440
way.

633
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:50,440
I've been getting a lot of questions.

634
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:51,520
And it's interesting.

635
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:56,400
The people that have seen the Jesus Revolution movie, the first thing they do is they want

636
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,840
to go find out about Lonnie Frisbee.

637
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,280
And so they go Google.

638
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,160
With Google, you get all this other kind of stuff.

639
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:03,940
So we won't get into all of that.

640
00:44:03,940 --> 00:44:08,680
But I liked what Lee Grady, in fact, he and I were texting today, used to be the senior

641
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,440
editor from Charisma Magazine and Ministries Today.

642
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:16,960
And he said that Lonnie Frisbee was deeply flawed, yet God used him powerfully.

643
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,560
And I thought that in its starting statement, that was so good.

644
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,980
And he kind of lays out a lot of really practical things and the process.

645
00:44:24,980 --> 00:44:31,040
But it took God using a guy who just got radically saved, who believed in God, like Keith Green,

646
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,400
the Savior, bananas for Jesus, just on fire for the Lord.

647
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,720
And in his flaws, God was able to use him.

648
00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:42,800
And as a result, all of us really have benefited from the Jesus movement as well as you, because

649
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:48,760
as you said, you were in coffee shops and you were doing different clubs and you were

650
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:49,760
all connected.

651
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:55,200
And obviously, he had a huge impact in that movement along with the Word through Chuck

652
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:56,200
Smith.

653
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,360
And then you said that even the Vineyard Church, before John Wimberg got involved, started

654
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:00,360
in your living room.

655
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,440
So there was a lot of things God was doing organically.

656
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:08,160
And yet there are some things in all of our lives that no matter how much we walk in God's

657
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:13,280
giftings and calling, there are things that we still have to be honest and brutally honest

658
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,000
with ourselves about.

659
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,960
And you address that even in your own book about your own life.

660
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:22,720
But tell us a little bit about your relationship with Lonnie and some of your thoughts on that.

661
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:28,600
And in fact, I would recommend anybody to read this article by Lee Grady called Jesus

662
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:29,600
Revolution.

663
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,440
Lonnie Frisbee was deeply flawed, yet God used him powerfully.

664
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,240
If you want, I can email that to you or we can forward that to you as well.

665
00:45:37,240 --> 00:45:38,240
Sure.

666
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:41,440
Well, first of all, that guy that has the video out now about an hour long, the Lonnie's

667
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,240
best friend, I watched that last night.

668
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:48,080
And that's got some great information because his relationship with Lonnie was after 1978

669
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,920
and I had already lost touch with Lonnie at that time.

670
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,000
So there's a lot of good stuff in there.

671
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,080
His name is John something.

672
00:45:55,080 --> 00:46:00,160
And if I just if you Google Lonnie Frisbee best friend, you'll probably find it's about

673
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:01,160
an hour.

674
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:02,160
Yes, John.

675
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:03,160
Right here.

676
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:04,160
Are you TTK?

677
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,480
A wise is less than John Rutgate.

678
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:07,480
And it's great.

679
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,400
Yeah, that's that's worth watching.

680
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:15,040
So my history and my I'll give you my history, my Lonnie story, and then I'll tell you my

681
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,720
conclusion on money.

682
00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:20,960
And my history was the first year of my Christian walk.

683
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,720
So after that, I kind of lost track of Lonnie.

684
00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:27,760
I would hear reports about him and different things were happening in his life.

685
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:32,720
But for the first six months to a year of our Christian walk, we were inseparable almost

686
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:33,720
with Lonnie.

687
00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:36,000
We would go over to the blue top all the time.

688
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:40,700
He take us out for drives and we talk about God and we, you know, never really did any

689
00:46:40,700 --> 00:46:42,200
official ministry in those things.

690
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:43,200
We hang out at his house.

691
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,400
I got baptized in spirit in his house.

692
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,000
So one day we're driving along.

693
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:52,200
It was just Fred Field, our guitar player, our first guitar player and me.

694
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:57,520
And Lonnie used to drive this Lincoln Continental and he was embarrassed about it.

695
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:58,840
Someone had given it to him.

696
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:03,120
So he put a bumper sticker on the back said God provides and it made it feel a little

697
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:04,120
bit better.

698
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:09,000
But we were in this Lincoln Continental and he said, pull into this apartment complex

699
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,000
in Newport Beach.

700
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:15,120
We pulled in the parking lot and he said, go up and he said, we're going up to part

701
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:16,760
14 or whatever it was.

702
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,240
Get your guitars and follow me.

703
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:20,520
Well, it was only Fred and I and one guitar.

704
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:27,720
So we followed him up the stairs and he knocks on the door and the door opens and marijuana

705
00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:33,160
smoke walks out and there's about 10, 12 hippies in there getting high.

706
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,280
And they're looking at us like they are hallucinating.

707
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,000
They can't believe what they're seeing is real.

708
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:42,240
And then Lonnie comes in, no preparation, no, he says, we are servants of the most high

709
00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:47,000
God and we have come here to tell you about the gospel of Jesus Christ.

710
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,320
But first love song is going to play.

711
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:50,880
Think about what Jesus said.

712
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,440
So we're kind of almost, we're at the same thing.

713
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,120
Our eyes are like, what's going on here?

714
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:00,640
So we play the song which says, think about what Jesus said before you let your mind reject

715
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:01,640
him.

716
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,920
You let your heart instead and you will accept him.

717
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,800
So we finished the song and Lonnie preaches for about three, three to five minutes and

718
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,880
gives an altar call and two guys raise their hand.

719
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:16,520
Well, we left the apartment and we went on, you know, whatever is still kind of all very

720
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:17,520
new to us.

721
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,140
And so I kept seeing those guys at church for years.

722
00:48:21,140 --> 00:48:23,680
So about 30 years later, I'm playing at Calvary.

723
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:24,680
I'm doing worship.

724
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:25,680
I came to, I didn't live there anymore.

725
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:26,680
I wasn't on staff.

726
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,080
Chuck would just have me down once in a while to lead worship.

727
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,800
This guy comes up to me after the service and he says, Hey, I have a question I've been

728
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,720
wanting to ask you for about 30 years.

729
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:37,600
He says, how did you guys know we were up there that night?

730
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:43,080
I had always assumed that Lonnie knew somebody or whatever, but I can only conclude that

731
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:49,120
Lonnie heard the Holy Spirit say, take these guys up to room 14 and wait for further orders,

732
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:50,920
you know, or something like that.

733
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:52,040
And Lonnie was like that.

734
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:53,480
He just did things on an impulse.

735
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:57,920
There's a great little testimony about five guys getting saved at the beach that people

736
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:58,920
can find too.

737
00:48:58,920 --> 00:48:59,920
That's really great.

738
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:01,400
I enjoyed watching that.

739
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,280
It's about 20 minutes long.

740
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:10,520
I don't know what you would search for, but Lonnie Frisbee testimony at the beach or something.

741
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,360
So that's my Lonnie story.

742
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:17,440
I just watched a little bit of Lonnie's funeral last night too, because he's on everybody's

743
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,080
mind and I'd never seen the video of it.

744
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:25,880
And what I said on that platform, when we played two songs at his funeral, I said, Lonnie

745
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,760
taught me the ways of the Holy Spirit, and I really believe that that's his contribution

746
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:36,760
to my life because he taught me to be fearless, to hear the Spirit, and to let God use me

747
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:37,760
in that regard.

748
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:43,720
I've never been a prophetic guy too much in that regard in my ministry, but I did learn

749
00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:48,200
how to move in the Spirit, and a lot of it came from my association with Lonnie in those

750
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:49,600
early days.

751
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:56,200
So conclusion, because everybody wants to know about AIDS and what was Lonnie homosexual

752
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:57,200
and all that.

753
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:58,560
Here's what I've landed on.

754
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:03,640
When the Bible says that an adulterer shall not enter the kingdom of heaven, let's use

755
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:04,640
drinking.

756
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,120
It's better.

757
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:10,120
Some guy that got drunk a couple of times thinks, well, gee, I'm not going to heaven

758
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,960
because I must be a drunkard because I got drunk.

759
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:18,340
But I think that's more about accepting and identifying with the lifestyle.

760
00:50:18,340 --> 00:50:23,680
If you're repentant, then God's faithful and just forgive.

761
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:29,080
And if you were a man who cheated on his wife and then you repent of it, and even if you're

762
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:33,600
married, it doesn't stay together, I don't think that God sees you as an adulterer.

763
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,120
So I think repentance is the key here.

764
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:41,120
And to every information I have about Lonnie, all information points to the idea that he

765
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,080
was fully restored with God at the end.

766
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:48,840
That video from his best friend says, I do believe we'll see Lonnie in heaven.

767
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:54,920
And I believe that he left behind a great legacy of powerful ministry in many souls

768
00:50:54,920 --> 00:51:00,520
that will be credited to his account because I do believe that Lonnie was a man of God.

769
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,720
How did he slip later?

770
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:05,120
If he did, I don't know.

771
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,480
There's some reports, you know, we've all heard these things.

772
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,600
I've talked to Roger Sacks who put his books together.

773
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:17,260
And I think the key point in what Lonnie told Roger that are in his books is that he never

774
00:51:17,260 --> 00:51:19,000
identified as homosexual.

775
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,080
He never saw himself that way.

776
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:22,080
So did he slip?

777
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:23,080
I don't know.

778
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:24,280
I think probably he did.

779
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,440
But he repented and he was right with God when he died.

780
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,920
So that to me is what matters.

781
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,680
And that's how I land.

782
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:38,000
I have to say this, that year I spent very close to him, lots of hours, sometimes in

783
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:42,080
every day hanging around him for all that time.

784
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,600
Not once did I ever see he was married to Connie.

785
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:50,640
I never saw any glimmer of him looking sideways at a guy or anything like that.

786
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,600
I never saw one thing like that from Lonnie in my personal experience.

787
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:59,120
So that I can say without any reservation at all.

788
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:00,320
Now what happened to him after?

789
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:05,400
The last time I'll close with this, the last time I saw Lonnie, he was bitter.

790
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:09,200
It was a number of years later, I don't even remember where I saw him.

791
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,920
He was really, really dark.

792
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:12,920
I don't mean dark.

793
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:14,440
He was dark in his heart.

794
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:15,680
His spirit seemed dark.

795
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:20,000
He seemed very bitter and angry about the way he'd been treated.

796
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:25,640
And it wasn't all the Lonnie that I knew back in that first year in 1970.

797
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,240
So I didn't know that he went through a lot of stuff.

798
00:52:29,240 --> 00:52:34,760
And I think that guy's video, that John's video will be very interesting for folks that

799
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:39,520
hear what I'm saying now, because he goes into more detail about all this stuff.

800
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:40,920
So that's it for Lonnie.

801
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:45,360
I actually wish I put this in my book about Lonnie, but I think that what I just told

802
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,960
you about repentance is the issue, is the true issue.

803
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:53,440
And I believe that Lonnie was repentant and restored to God when he died.

804
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:54,440
Absolutely.

805
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:58,880
What I appreciate about a little bit that I read that he's written and even shared in

806
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,360
the last couple, three years, and like you said, your friend that helped him put his

807
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:06,680
books together, he never justified anything.

808
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,440
To the very end, he was an evangelist.

809
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:12,720
He was still trying to point people to Jesus, regardless of where they'd come from and tells

810
00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:17,740
you a lot about him and even wanting to get restored with Chuck and with a lot of friends

811
00:53:17,740 --> 00:53:21,880
and different people he reached out to in his last couple of years.

812
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:26,720
Just says a lot about the staying course of the Holy Spirit and God's hold on his heart

813
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:31,600
and his life, even though he went through that deep, dark season of bitterness and things

814
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:32,600
that got ahold of him.

815
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,160
One of his books was on the autobiography.

816
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,120
It was called Not by Might Nor by Power.

817
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:42,120
Talks a lot about first-hand experiences and a part of the Jesus movement and so on.

818
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:43,120
And Chuck, thank you so much.

819
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,440
I'm going to go on for a couple hours with you.

820
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,240
I just thank you so much for taking the time with us.

821
00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:52,280
And if you have any final closing thoughts, I'm going to have you pray for us.

822
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:56,480
This is a part of our Transforming Leadership live calls, and then we use it for our Word

823
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,080
in Season with Doug Stringer and Friends podcast.

824
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,440
It will come out in a few days as well.

825
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:05,040
So if there's any closing thoughts or anything that you feel like you want to share with

826
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,400
us, and then we're going to have us pray for you, then you'll pray for us.

827
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,480
Okay, well, I'm going to do a shameless plug here now for our documentary of the group

828
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,980
Love Song that we've been working on for three years.

829
00:54:14,980 --> 00:54:20,040
We had no idea about the when the Jesus…we knew the Jesus Revolution movie was going

830
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:27,600
to come sometime, but we've been putting together a definitive biography film, you

831
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:33,280
know, a documentary of our bands, how we got started in our whole history, and along with

832
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:38,480
it, just like the Jesus Revolution, you're seeing the Jesus Revolution through the story

833
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,200
of Greg and Kathy.

834
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:47,360
This is the Jesus Revolution through our experiences, how we experience it as one of the premier

835
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,240
bands of the Jesus Movement.

836
00:54:49,240 --> 00:54:54,840
So we're hoping to get this done, to catch the wave off the end of the Jesus Revolution,

837
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:58,160
which may be May or June, we hope.

838
00:54:58,160 --> 00:54:59,160
We're trying.

839
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:00,160
It's financed.

840
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:06,040
It's a donation kind of thing, and we need to raise some more money, but God's been

841
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:10,120
very generous with us, and we've been able to do a top-notch job on it.

842
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,560
It's pretty much settled.

843
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:17,040
We're going to call it a band called Love Song, and so that will be coming out as soon

844
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:18,600
as we can get it out.

845
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:23,680
That's coming out, and then I'm also making my first studio album in 30 years with players.

846
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:28,560
You know, I made a couple of worship CDs in between that were more live things and a Christmas

847
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:34,040
album, but I haven't made an album with studio players in 30 years, so that's coming out

848
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:35,040
very soon, too.

849
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:39,000
That's in the very final finishing stages now, and that could be out even in the next

850
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,280
four to six weeks.

851
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,280
That could be out on Spotify and all that stuff.

852
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,800
So just want people to keep their eye out for these things.

853
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,960
If you enjoyed the Jesus Revolution, I think you'll enjoy our documentary.

854
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:54,600
And where the Jesus movement is heavily dramatized, and I'm not knocking that, I'm just saying

855
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:58,960
you when you make a movie like that, you have to make certain adjustments.

856
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:03,200
Ours is really just like the raw facts, just the facts, man.

857
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:10,240
And so we are really vetting it to be really honest and true to what happened, and I think

858
00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:12,240
people really enjoy it.

859
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:17,480
So with that note, I also want to just tell people that, you know, it's just these are

860
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,240
times where we need to be watchmen.

861
00:56:19,240 --> 00:56:21,440
We need to be careful about everything that's out there.

862
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:26,840
I don't mean worried, but I mean, you know, know your enemy.

863
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Be aware of the wilds of the devil, that kind of thing.

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So that's all.

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I'm not I don't walk in fear and I don't walk in any kind of doubt, but I do walk in awareness.

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So that's that's my word for the folks.

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I'm looking forward to your documentary, because, as you said, it's a documentary is based on

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just trying to get the facts together and have your purview and, and even from the love

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song story and your involvement.

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And the other thing I would encourage people to do is please download or get a copy of

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Rock and Roll Preacher, the book Chuck Gerard wrote came out last year.

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And it's called Rock and Roll Preacher from Dewalk to Jesus Rock.

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Chuck Gerard, a pioneer of contemporary Christian music.

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I couldn't even put it down.

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It was like in the middle of the night and I'm thinking I've got to go to sleep.

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And I just kept on reading one to keep it was it reads that well.

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So I want to encourage people to do that.

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And again, Chuck, thank you so much.

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Let me mention to real quick, Doug, if people want to see the trailer, it's not really a

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trailer.

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It's just sort of little excerpts from the movie they can go to our because love song

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is the hardest thing in the world to Google.

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So the website is called love song, the band.com.

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They can see the trailer there.

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Love song, the band, all one word.com.

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Great.

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And there's a few people I see on today with us that have been a part of the Jesus movement

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or part of great out points.

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Pam, I know Pam also you're part of Youth Quake and Buddy Hicks, who's gone to be with

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the Lord and so many others that I'm seeing here, Skip and Barbara Buckland, Marlene.

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So many of us have experienced either the Jesus movement or the aftershocks and the

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tremors that came from that.

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And we've all been parts of pockets of what God has been doing.

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So thank you all.

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As a reminder, I just want to say that historically, I believe that most outpourings or awakenings

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or if you want to call them revivals, or moves of God have come in the midst of some of the

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most thunderous and difficult of times.

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But it's the church awakened that can bring healing and hope in the darkest of times.

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Recognizing we are not each other's enemy, there is a common enemy that would try to

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keep us from taking the message of the gospel.

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Jesus said, preach the kingdom.

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And so how can we preach the kingdom if we're spending time fighting each other when we

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need to be finding a way to go deeper in the Lord in consecration, higher in expectation,

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and just stay hungry for the Lord.

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And I'm reminded of 2 Chronicles 5, it says that when you're in the holy presence of God,

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a holy, holy, holy God, then you can't come out according to division.

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You're lost in the holy presence of God that changes us in ways and only he can.

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Intellect cannot do it.

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Institutions cannot do it.

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We need an incarnational manifestation of the living God and a reverential, healthy respect

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for God's holiness.

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And so I thank each of you for your continued leadership in a time when so many are leaving

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the ministry, leaving their callings, be it marketplace or in the church world.

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I encourage you, stay the course.

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We need your leadership more than ever before.

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This is our moment.

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This is not a time to lose this window of opportunity.

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Let's go after God with hungry hearts.

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Let God do a work in us so he can do a work through us.

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I'm going to pray for us and then I'm going to have us pray for Chuck as well.

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Father, I just thank you for this time that Chuck has given to us.

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I thank you for the, in many ways I'm sure he doesn't recognize the significant impact

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and influence he has had because of his surrender to you and those that he worked with, not

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just because of the Jesus movement, but because of what you did in a handful of individuals

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that had a revelation of the work of the cross and the power of the resurrection.

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And as we journey through all the disappointments and distractions and even where we have failed

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you in our frail humanity, you've still poured out your grace upon us as long as we keep

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our eyes fixed on you, the author and finisher of our faith.

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God, I'm asking you now to help us look past the circumstances in which we live.

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And to focus on the place of the destination you have given us, keeping our focus, our

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hope and our vision on you because Lord, you haven't stopped.

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You're still on the throne and you're still looking for a people that you can pour yourself

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into and through.

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God, we need an awakening, an awakening in the church so we can have a move of God across

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the land and around the world.

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God, that context may look different to different people, but we do know this, that we need

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a corporate manifestation of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit.

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Even this last week as I was sharing in a church of what you did in Bradford in Haybrough,

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Massachusetts, that came out of an 1806 Haystack prayer meeting in a thunderstorm in Boston

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and ultimately in Haybrough, Massachusetts, Bradford College, that the first North American

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missionary was sent out from there, from that missions board, from just a handful of young

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college students that formulated that time together and became a youth movement that

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went into the nations of the world.

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And today we see Lord again in that very place, you've redugged the wells of revival 200 years

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later in that very same location and now you have brought together a Christian Bible college

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and school where there are hungry students longing for your presence, ready to go to

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the nations.

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You can do it there, you can do it then, and you're the same yesterday, today and forever.

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We're asking you to do that again.

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God, I pray for fresh anointing, Father, for right spirit, clean heart, sharp stable mind

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for all of us and that we would not let discouragement dictate to us who we are, but we will be encouraged

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in the Lord.

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I pray Father also for fresh anointing upon Chuck and his family.

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I pray Father for doors that would be opened again to bring forth that which you, we don't

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raise an altar to the past, but we look at landmarks that bring them to the present so

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we can have hope for the future.

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Thank you Lord for his family, thank you for Chuck, thank you for his investment in me

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personally in ways maybe he doesn't even know from the 80s, 90s and early 2000s Lord, and

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I just thank you that he's been candid and honest with you and with others so we can

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all find hope in our journey as well.

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In Jesus name, amen.

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