Against All Odds: The Miraculous Journey to Deliverance Pastor Henry Shaffer

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I came to the realization to call on God.

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I said, God, if I don't have the real thing,

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I want the real thing.

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I said, in 2000 years, we've done something.

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We've changed this.

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It's not real.

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Even though all these people speak and talk,

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it's not real.

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And I said, God, I gotta know.

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I'm not going through this and not have the real thing.

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Pastor Henry Schaefer, it is a pleasure

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to be able to have you here on Charisma Magazine online

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to be able to talk about your journey

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and really this whole thing of deliverance,

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how God has brought you from being just a pastor

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and how God has spoken to you about deliverance is your call.

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And so you've been a great influence

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in a lot of people's lives that we're connected with,

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Greg Locke being one of them.

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He mentions you as kind of like a spiritual father,

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a spiritual mentor.

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And so we're honored to be able to talk with you

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and we wanna hear your story.

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And we've talked before actually hitting a record here

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and my faith has already grown as a result

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to your story.

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So welcome here and thank you so much for being here.

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Well, thank you so much for having me.

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I'm honored.

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I'm very humbled to be interviewed by Charisma Magazine.

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And John, I just love your spirit.

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I just love your attitude towards the Lord

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and supernatural things.

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So just thank you so much for having me

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and I'm ready to whatever the Lord wants me to say,

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that's what I wanna say.

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Whatever I do, I want to honor God.

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I wanna represent the kingdom of God in its fullness.

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And that's what I wanna do in the interview.

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Amen.

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Well, pastor, we're gonna talk about

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several different things.

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And one of the things that really stuck out to me

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is your obedience.

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In our previous conversation,

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you talked about how God called you to start a radio station

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and you didn't know anything about that.

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And then God called you into deliverance ministry

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and God gave you an amazing experience.

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I want you to share that story as well.

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But let's start with your call to ministry.

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How did God bring you into being a pastor?

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Okay, well, what happened in my life,

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I grew up in church,

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I grew up in a congregational, a homeless church,

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grew up in a Pentecostal homeless church and the church of God.

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So it's all part of the Pentecostal fellowship

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we kind of was around as we were growing up.

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But I had always been exposed to Pentecost

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and the supernatural.

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So I know I can tell you the day

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or the time where I was at

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when the Lord called me to ministry,

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it was like I was 12 years old.

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And it was one of them church services they have.

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And I know I was kneeling down on the front few

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and I heard the Lord speak to me.

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He said, I've called you to preach my word.

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So, at 12 years old, at the end of the service,

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I walked up to my pastor and said,

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pastor, I said, and he was closing out the service.

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So I'm standing there looking up at him.

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And I said, I think I just heard the Lord

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call me to ministry.

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So he kind of like patted me on the head there.

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He says, you'll be all right.

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So that right there was kind of like,

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if a pastor didn't believe in me and didn't embrace it,

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then I struggled with it, see what I mean?

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And I've made sure now when people tell me that

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I do not, I embrace their call.

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If they're here in the voice of the Lord,

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then I need to be like Eli and say,

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when he speaks to you, say, yes, Lord, I'm listening.

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What do you want me to do?

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So anyway, that was my call to the ministry at 12 years old.

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But I would struggle with that for a long time.

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And as growing up, I would, as teenagers growing up,

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get in and get out of church, things like that.

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But there was always knowing what's right and what's wrong.

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And I think that God has a soul ties to you

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that he doesn't let you get too far.

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And then it was in my 20s is really when

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I really got serious with God and I really got some training,

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some biblical training.

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I was living up in Iowa and I was under a ministry there

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in Iowa that, you know, that they were there to gear,

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they were there to train five old ministers.

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And in that experience while I was there

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for three and a half years,

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there's where I got most of my, it's not formal training,

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but it was on the level of seminary training.

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And so I got it there.

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And, but in that, I want to share with you

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in that experience while I was there, I said,

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I just can't have this Lord, you know,

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am I called to the ministry?

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You know, did mama call me, papa call me and all this.

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And I really started seeking God there.

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And in that experience there,

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cause I'm, cause this might be the only time

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I ever get to share this really with people is that,

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and you know, when Paul said in the Bible, he says,

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I don't know if I was in my body or out of my body.

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He said, but I was taken up to the third heaven.

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Well, I can say that it's, I don't know if I was there

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or for your, for your understanding,

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I'm gonna say it was a dream.

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But in a dream is when the Lord,

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I had an experience with Jesus and Jesus actually set me

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in my ministry, called me into the ministry.

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In this, most people will, I'm telling you it's a dream,

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but it's more of what is called a theophany.

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Some people, theophanies or theophanies

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where the Lord appeared, like Paul,

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he appears, this is your ministry.

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This is what you will do.

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And many people look for that.

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And, but I didn't look for it, didn't seek it.

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But I just know that this was what my ministry,

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my calling is, is to, you know, so I have no doubt.

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This is, I'm called, this is the ministry.

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I'm gonna walk in it and supernatural things follows.

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It's crazy.

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You know what I mean?

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It just happens.

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And I just, I just want to serve the Lord.

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Well, let's talk about some of those supernatural things.

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And I don't want to, I don't want to skip

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over your story too much, but I do want to,

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we're going to talk about some supernatural things,

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but I want to tell everybody that what Pastor Henry

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has already told me is going to really encourage your faith.

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And so Pastor Henry, just keep on going.

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I just wanted to interject right there.

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Oh yeah.

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So, I mean, just things like that.

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But I think that's one of the things,

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the being called to the ministry.

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There's a lot of people who want to be in ministry.

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A lot of people are called.

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They have this unction or what have you.

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But, you know, I don't know how that,

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I don't know how you get past it because you struggle.

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But if they called you, walk in your calling

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and then just serve the Lord and He'll,

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He will vindicate your calling.

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He will show people that you are one of His

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five-fold ministers in that.

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So anyway, so something I didn't share with you before

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is that I used to work here in Augusta, Georgia over here

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for a large pharmaceutical company.

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And I was there for like 18 years.

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And so I did instrument leptical work.

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And in 2000, the Lord said,

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it's time for you to leave and I want you to go pastor.

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Well, this place is like number three pay

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in the whole CSRA, Central Savannah River area.

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And I came to a little church that couldn't pay my salary,

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barely, hardly pay my salary or much less pay

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for my benefits or anything like that.

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I think we had like 10 people on Wednesday,

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little small church, maybe a whole really company,

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50 people.

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And I took that, I left my job, got my wife,

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we came over to Carolina, Vaucluse, South Carolina

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and pastored a little small church there.

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And we were there for, I don't know, within the first year

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and the Lord spoke to me and He says,

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here's what I want you to do.

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He said, I want you to build a church.

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And I met with my pastor's council

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and they sat like there right there.

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They said, well, where are you gonna get the money at

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to pay for this church?

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I said, well, the Lord didn't tell me that.

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He just told me it's time to build a church.

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I says, y'all don't even have enough faith

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to go to the bank.

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Y'all don't have enough faith to even go to the bank.

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So we went to the bank and we were approved

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for $500,000 because of the property

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and a little bit of money they had set aside.

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When we stepped out and said that we were gonna build

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a church, the flood gates opened and people started coming

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from all over the place and that little bitty building.

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And within the next two years, two and a half years,

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we built 11,500 square foot building up on the bypass.

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Our payments was like $5,000 a month

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when we first went into that thing.

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And the monies was just, the money was coming,

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but there was a war that would set in.

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And the war that would set in was,

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there was a lot of changes happening within the church.

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I was in my mid forties and what was happening was

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they didn't want to change,

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the churches just didn't want the change.

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They had all these new people coming,

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they were losing power, they're losing control.

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And the Lord actually had to,

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some people separated from the church.

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And when they separated from the church, they took money.

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And they thought that, well, we know how to get rid

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of the pastor, we just hold the money.

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Well, they didn't realize that, well, I had been,

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had a career, so I said,

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now I'll just go back to work and pastor.

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So that was a kind of a win-win there.

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But here's what I wanna let you know,

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is that there was times when our payments was still $5,000.

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And I would say, Lord, and I'd meet with the council,

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I say, hey, we got a $5,000 a month payment

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and we don't have the money, so I'm working.

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And I said, we gotta figure out what we're gonna do.

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It'd be like seven or eight o'clock at night.

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And then right there in the little meeting room

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at the front foyer, there'd be a knock on the door

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and I walked to the front door.

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I mean, walk right out the room and say,

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yes, sir, what can I do for you?

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And it was like the Bell South man.

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And he was standing there and he says, listen,

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he said, I've gotta put one of these little boxes,

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telephone connections at the corner of the property.

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I would like to do it on a church.

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He says, but he says,

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we'd like to put it right here on your property.

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He said, would you be open to that?

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He says, we'll pay money for it.

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I said, yes, sir.

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I said, what kind of money are you talking about?

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He says, well, what about $5,000?

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He said, would that be all right?

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So the very thing that we were dealing with,

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knock at the front door, there's the money.

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And this happened to me over and over and over.

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So I know you can cut this out anytime you want.

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So I've gotta tell you, I would go to work.

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Before I go to work, I'd go pray.

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And I say, God, we gotta have money.

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We got to have money to make this thing operate.

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You said, Bill, and it's coming.

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So I would go to church and I'd say, Lord,

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this month we gotta have another $5,000.

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He said, money's in the bank.

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He kept telling me money's in the bank.

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He said, money's in the bank.

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I said, well, I know the money's in the bank.

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Everybody's got the money in the bank.

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You know, the bank's got all the money.

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And I had a lady who was swapping from the old style

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of doing it in a ledger to QuickBooks.

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And she was updating everything like that.

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She called me at work, said, hey, you gotta come to church.

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Get off of church.

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We got something wrong with the books.

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So I came into church.

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And I said, tell me what's going on.

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She said, I'ma tell you.

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She says, you've got more money in the bank

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than what you know.

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I said, what?

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I said, how much?

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She says, you got $5,000 more in the bank

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than what you think.

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I said, how did it happen?

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She says, they made a deposit

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and forgot to write the deposit down in the checkbook.

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She says, you got 5,000 more.

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See, over and over and over,

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it had always been just like this.

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And God has always shown up to make things happen

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because I didn't call myself to build that church.

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The next thing is, of course, interest rates go down.

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Our payments are well manageable now and things like that.

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And then after we got the church built,

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I want you to think about it.

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It took several years to build the church.

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We got actually in an 05.

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We started there in 2000, in 05.

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And at the end of that,

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because I've always wanted to do something

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because I've always worked construction or building.

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And I said, Lord, what else you want?

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The church is built.

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What do you want me to do?

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And the Lord spoke to me about,

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I told you about facing the giants.

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And when the movie came out and he started saying,

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I want you to build me a radio station.

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And it was right at the end,

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the heels of the church building.

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And he says, now I want you to build a radio station.

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So I said, I've never done anything like that.

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And he says, you'll be facing giants.

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And like I said in the past,

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we went to Washington DC, had to hire an FCC lawyer.

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The radio station covers 1.4 million people

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in the Augusta, Georgia market.

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And what happens is we won the bid.

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We're supposed to have paid 200,000.

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We got up for 20,000.

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And our first time bidders, we made it,

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they reduced it to 13,000.

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And we, the $7,000 that was left over paid our lawyer.

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Oh, the first donation we got to the radio station

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after that was 13,000.

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I asked the person, I said, why did you give 13,000?

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He says, well, isn't that what you pay for the radio station?

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Say, God wanted to give you money back.

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So the first donation came in

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was the amount that we paid for it.

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So, you know, God's not gonna be a debtor to nobody.

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So I'm just letting you know, he's not a debtor to nobody.

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So trust the Lord with your money

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and he'll make sure you get it back.

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He's not a debtor.

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He'll take care, he takes care of the people.

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So we got the radio station

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and we've been on radio now since 2014.

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It started in 07, got to 2014.

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And just as soon as 2014 ended up, it was July of 2014,

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is when I had that a supernatural experience.

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I was called to go to Diverville, Mississippi.

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And when I was in Mississippi,

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I was preaching about the supernatural things

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that I had seen about God, gifts of the Holy Spirit,

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words of wisdom, words of knowledge,

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discerning of spirits and miracles,

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and gifts of faith, operation,

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and all types of things I was sharing.

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And those things became so prevalent

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that they were so shocking to me.

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I said, God, why am I experiencing so much of this?

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And here's what he said.

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He said, how else will you teach others

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unless you have experienced at least one time in your life?

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So I said, there would be times when I would,

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I'd be praying, you know, like, you know,

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he told me that how to stir the gifts up

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was praying the Holy Spirit, praying in tongues.

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And I'd get up every morning,

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I pray in the spirit like an hour every morning,

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praying in tongues, praying in tongues,

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stirring up the gift.

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He said, this is where,

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this is the doorway to the supernatural.

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The more you pray, the more supernatural happens.

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Little praying, little supernatural.

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And I was praying and then,

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and I was telling the story of something like this is,

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I came home from work, I fell on my knees,

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I gotta go to church,

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wanna make sure my heart's right.

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And in this incident that happened,

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in this period of time,

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is that all of a sudden a window opened up,

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opened up like this.

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And I was in my bedroom on the floor,

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it's kind of like dark, about 530,

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you know how when the winter hits, it's kind of dark.

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And I was praying, I said, Lord,

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here's my prayer.

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And yeah, I wasn't seeking the Lord,

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I'm like, oh God, show me, show me, show me, use me.

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Cause I did that in the morning,

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now I'm here, I've come home at the end of the day,

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God, I wanna make sure there's no sin in my life.

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I wanna make sure there's nothing wrong,

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there's nothing before I go to church

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that would hinder anything, you know?

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And so what happens is,

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all of a sudden a window opens up as I'm praying,

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I'm kneeling over a pillow, opens up like this.

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And he shows me a woman from her waist up,

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her hair or earrings.

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He shows me everything about her.

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And he starts speaking to me.

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And I'm talking about speaking to him,

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and he says, she's been to several dentists,

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they don't know what's wrong with her.

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He says, I want you to stand up and call her out.

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He says, I want you to tell her, ask her,

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does she believe I'll fill her teeth?

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And he says, tell her I'm gonna fill her teeth.

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This is crazy, brother.

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Heavenly filling of my choice.

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And he says, when she responds to you, yes,

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he says, you're to lay hands on her

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or to receive her healing.

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And he says, do you understand?

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And I'm seeing this in an open-eyed vision.

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I said, yes, Lord, I understand.

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And I said this here, please don't laugh at me, brother.

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I said, Lord, you can show me all this.

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I said, what color shoes would this woman have on?

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And he said, blue high heels.

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He says, you understand?

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Went away.

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I said, oh my God.

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I said, I've only read this in books

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where God would show them, say, you gotta really,

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this is what kind of stuff was happening to me

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is that where God could show you a word of wisdom

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of what he wanted you to do, you know, in very detail.

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So I go to church that night, sitting on the front row,

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my friend sitting right here next to me,

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we're talking as the church begins and he bumps my arm.

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And when he bumps my arm, I turn and look

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and I see this woman does, she bumps my arm,

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I turn and look and that was the view

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that I saw in the vision.

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And I looked at him and I said, brother,

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that's what color shoes that woman have on.

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He leaned over and said, blue high heels.

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So those are the kind of things that I was teaching about

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in Mississippi about how God can use the gift

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of the Holy Spirit for his plans and purposes

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through words of wisdom, words of knowledge,

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and how you can stir this up because this is the supernatural.

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We're part of a supernatural body.

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And I was teaching about yielding to the Holy Spirit

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and letting him use you.

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And then at the end of that service,

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this is where it comes in at, at the end of that.

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And I prayed for everybody that night.

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It's the African-American church,

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hold about a hundred people.

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And man, I'm telling you, they make you pray for everybody.

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I'm telling you, I love going to church.

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So at the end of the service, they brought a man in

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who had never walked.

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Two men totaled him in, they were carrying him like,

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it was like in a seat, totaling him in,

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one on each side, set him on the front row

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and they challenged the Lord.

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They said, you, the pastor, he says, you pray,

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you preach about this supernatural God, pray for him.

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And he was not in the church service.

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He was sitting in a side room somewhere.

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He'd never been there all night.

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So all I did was I asked him,

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and all I did is laid hands on his head.

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This is all I knew to do.

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I rebuked the evil spirits that were tormenting him.

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I had enough understanding that demons cause sickness.

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I don't know where all these people have a problem

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with demons, you know what I mean, and sickness.

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I don't understand why they can't see the connection.

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Jesus showed us in the Bible.

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Well, anyway, I laid hands on him, rebuked the evil spirits.

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And I said, Lord, I pray that you give the man a miracle.

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And I looked at him and I says, do you want to walk?

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And he nodded his head.

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Now he's slobbering because I mean, he's just that,

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that's how sick he was.

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So I stuck my hand out like that.

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And I said, grab my hand and his arms shook like that.

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And his arm grew out and he grabbed my hand.

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And I said, now his knees are to his chest.

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I says, do you want to stand?

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He nodded his head and I pulled him.

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I said, let's stand.

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And when I did his knees shook.

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It was crazy seeing this like this here

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and his legs grew out and touched the floor.

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And I pulled on him.

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And when we pulled on him, he stood up

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and we walked across the front of the church.

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And that, and the church came unglued.

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I see in my mind, I see in my mind,

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in a cartoon, you ever seen a cartoon building

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when they're on inside and the cart,

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the building's going like that in the cartoon.

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It was bad.

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They were screaming.

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They were screaming.

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I'm talking about shouting.

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And it was like pandemonium in that place

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because see they knew him, I didn't.

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And we just walked across the front of the church.

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And that was the setting up of deliverance for me.

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Cause I'd always believed in it,

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but I knew that I had missed something.

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And I'm telling the churches missed it.

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You know what I think, you know what I think it is, John?

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The church is not hungry anymore.

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They're not hungry for the supernatural.

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They're not hungry for the real.

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It's not music, it's not music, it's not lights.

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And we have that.

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That's not it.

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You understand that's not, you can have that.

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You can have all the things of God without all that.

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That makes sense.

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Yeah.

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Brother, I have two questions.

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I want to talk about this need for the hunger again.

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That's it.

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I have two questions about that experience from that night.

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First, you had that vision, that open vision

512
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,000
with this lady with the blue high heels.

513
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,040
I want to know what happened with her.

514
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:13,320
So what happened?

515
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:14,400
Okay, what happened?

516
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,280
How long was that man in that condition?

517
00:21:18,120 --> 00:21:19,560
Oh, how long we seen that condition?

518
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,640
I don't know how long he was.

519
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,360
You know, how many years he'd been like that?

520
00:21:24,360 --> 00:21:26,760
Well, he was like in his forties.

521
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,640
He was in his forties.

522
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,040
And the woman, yes, I did get to talk with the woman.

523
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,360
And yeah, sure enough, it happened like she had problems

524
00:21:34,360 --> 00:21:36,200
with her teeth and things like that.

525
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,040
And, you know, so, I mean, that's what I know about her.

526
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:45,040
But the man is, you know, he walked.

527
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,200
And after that, it was kind of like,

528
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:49,720
I don't know if that was for everybody else,

529
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:50,640
but it was for me.

530
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:52,520
You know what I mean?

531
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:57,440
It experienced with me to really drive me

532
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,240
to something deeper.

533
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,560
And, you know, there are times that I have learned,

534
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,080
and I don't know about these,

535
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,080
there are times when God does a miracle,

536
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,760
not that I've been a part of,

537
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,040
but he's done things where the enemy comes back

538
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:14,800
and regains the ground.

539
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,280
And I think that is because that we don't understand

540
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,400
spiritual warfare is because like Jesus said,

541
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,880
when a spirit leaves and something happens,

542
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,720
that it will try to come back.

543
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,320
And if it does come back, it will come back worse.

544
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,320
So that's where keeping out,

545
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,080
and I think that's where the faith comes in

546
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,040
to reject the enemy and don't let him come back in

547
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:35,880
to those things.

548
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,080
Does that make sense what I'm saying?

549
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:37,920
Absolutely, yeah.

550
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:38,760
Yeah.

551
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:39,600
So the hunger.

552
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,560
So let's talk about the hunger and the need for that.

553
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,840
Because I think that's one of the things

554
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:49,760
that we really deal with and why there's such a blind need

555
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,000
for spiritual warfare and a blind need for deliverance.

556
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,520
We're just blinded to that.

557
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,560
So let's talk about that.

558
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,400
So let me, I mean, if you really wanna know what happened

559
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:04,400
is here I am in mid to late thirties.

560
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,200
I speak in tongues, I pray in tongues,

561
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,440
but I came to the realization to myself

562
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,520
and I really came to myself and I said,

563
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,840
I don't believe I have the baptism of the Holy Ghost

564
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,480
speaking in tongues.

565
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,040
I don't have it.

566
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,680
And I came to the realization to call on God.

567
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,600
I said, God, if I don't have the real thing,

568
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:29,720
I want the real thing.

569
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,000
I said, in 2000 years, we've done something.

570
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,720
We've changed this.

571
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:34,760
It's not real.

572
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,360
Even though all these people speak in tongues,

573
00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:38,200
it's not real.

574
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,440
And I said, God, I got to know.

575
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:41,280
I got that.

576
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,640
I'm not going through this and not have the real thing.

577
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,520
And so I was in my bedroom on a Tuesday.

578
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:49,760
I worked shift and all.

579
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,080
I was on a Tuesday and I was praying

580
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:54,880
and just as soon as the word of the Lord came to me,

581
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,000
he says, there's a revival going across town.

582
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:57,920
I want you to be there tonight.

583
00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,360
I have a word for you.

584
00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:01,120
I said, oh my God, see, I can hear him talking to me.

585
00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:02,800
I said, ooh, look here.

586
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,440
So I come out of my bedroom.

587
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:05,920
I go into the kitchen there with my wife.

588
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,800
I said, hey, I just heard from the Lord,

589
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,360
there's a revival going across town.

590
00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:10,880
I'm supposed to be across town.

591
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:16,400
And the Lord has a word for me.

592
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:17,320
I says, you wanna go?

593
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,400
And here's what my wife says, Sister Shaver,

594
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,560
we've been married 49 years and she's just a gem.

595
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,840
I'm telling you, I got the pick of the whole litter.

596
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,040
I got the best one and of everybody.

597
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:32,960
But she said this year, she said, did he tell you to go?

598
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:33,800
I go, yeah.

599
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:34,960
He said, well, I'm not going to.

600
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,600
I said, okay.

601
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,880
So I drove 40 miles across town.

602
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:39,920
I go into a church.

603
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,200
It holds 300 people.

604
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,680
It was like 10 people there.

605
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,160
And I walk in, it's an old man.

606
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,000
He's in his seventies.

607
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:47,880
And here's what he said.

608
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,440
He sat down, he got ready to preach.

609
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,800
He said, I don't know who this is for,

610
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,360
but this is the only thing I'm gonna preach

611
00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:54,680
is what he gives me.

612
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,280
And he's telling me, whoever's here to tell you

613
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:01,120
to stir up the gift that he's given you, stir it up.

614
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,400
And I knew exactly what that meant.

615
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,040
That meant the gift of the Holy Spirit he had given me,

616
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,160
that means stir it up.

617
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,360
And so I would go home from that point on

618
00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:15,280
and it would be like three months every morning.

619
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:16,720
I'd get up, I pray in the Holy Ghost.

620
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,360
An hour every morning.

621
00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:19,880
I said, Lord, you told me to stir it up.

622
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:20,880
Shalom, kolah, rah.

623
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,360
And I just start praying in tongues.

624
00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:24,240
I pray in tongues, praying in tongues.

625
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,920
And after three months, guess what?

626
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:26,760
Brother.

627
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,720
Oh my, it was like everything just started happening.

628
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,120
Word of wisdom, word of not.

629
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:35,840
All of this stuff started happening to me.

630
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,120
So here's the thing.

631
00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:41,600
I don't know if you have the real thing or not,

632
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,840
but I've got no doubt in my mind

633
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,480
that the baptism of the Holy Ghost

634
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,680
speaking in tongues is real.

635
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:48,960
And here's the thing he says,

636
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,720
these signs would follow them that believe.

637
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,320
So I was to the point to where I'm saying,

638
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,960
there's nothing happening supernatural in my life.

639
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,760
So I don't have it.

640
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,200
You know, every now and then something small,

641
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:03,360
I said, I don't have it.

642
00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:06,240
But now I got no doubt in my mind.

643
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,280
And even some people have told me that

644
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,280
when I speak in tongues and I do YouTube,

645
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,440
you know, I'm at church and I start speaking in tongues.

646
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,760
They'll go there and they'll say,

647
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,800
he's speaking in an Arabic language.

648
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,120
YouTubers say that, he's speaking in Arabic language.

649
00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:23,120
Yeah, and things like that.

650
00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:25,600
So the thing is, is that I wanna encourage you,

651
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,840
don't let the enemy try to tell you that you don't have it.

652
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,080
You do have it, stir it up.

653
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,400
That's the power.

654
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,720
That's the doorway to the supernatural.

655
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:35,760
He's like the apostles.

656
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,600
He told them, don't go anywhere.

657
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,600
Just try to preach, to try to cast out demons

658
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,320
or do anything in the supernatural

659
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,040
until you go to the upper room and you'll receive power.

660
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,120
So being baptized in the Holy Ghost, you have this.

661
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:50,240
You got to stir it up.

662
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,000
He told him in the Bible, we got to stir this up.

663
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,280
And the more you stir it up, listen, watch what God does.

664
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,920
He will vindicate his own word.

665
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,400
And these sounds will follow those that believe.

666
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,160
So you have to get past the point where I was at.

667
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,040
I'm not seeing anything.

668
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,000
And you got to recognize your own deficit

669
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,240
in your own ministry and your own life.

670
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:12,960
And then you start doing a reality check

671
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,120
and then this will stir it up

672
00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:16,080
and things will start happening.

673
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,280
Is this okay?

674
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,000
This is powerful, brother.

675
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,360
This is really good.

676
00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:22,080
This is the way this thing works.

677
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,920
When you started stirring this up

678
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,760
and you started praying in the Holy Spirit

679
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,640
for an hour every morning.

680
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:29,480
Every morning.

681
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,440
Let's talk about deliverance.

682
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,280
Let's talk about, obviously as God is giving you things

683
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,880
to say, you have a radio station.

684
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,480
So that requires a lot of talking.

685
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,720
It's not a radio station, it's music.

686
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,520
It's the word of God going forth.

687
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:44,440
Right, right.

688
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:45,280
That's right.

689
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,680
So you're talking about stirring up

690
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,320
the gift that is within you.

691
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:50,640
Yes.

692
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,080
Let's dive deeper into that

693
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,520
and how you've been training other people.

694
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,320
You've been, people have been grabbing ahold of this

695
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,800
and you're seeing more and more things happening

696
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,160
as people are stirring up the gifts.

697
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:05,000
Yes.

698
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,920
So, I don't know if we're gonna leapfrog here or anything,

699
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:13,720
but I understand that the doorway to the supernatural

700
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,120
is praying in the Holy Spirit.

701
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:17,200
I would say, I would read books

702
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,880
about supernatural things happening.

703
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,720
And I would just say, Lord, I want the gift of miracles.

704
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,760
I want this and I, Lord, I desire earnestly

705
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,400
the spiritual gifts and all of these power gifts.

706
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,040
So I was desiring that.

707
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,640
I mean, I had the desire, but it wasn't happening.

708
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,120
I said, why isn't it happening, Lord?

709
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:35,960
I want it.

710
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,080
And he said, this is, you got to stir this up.

711
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:40,400
And when you stir this up,

712
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,360
it activates all those nine gifts.

713
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,840
And they come about in the need.

714
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,400
When you have need of them,

715
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,160
the Holy Spirit knows what you've done,

716
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,080
what you need and that the spiritual gift will operate.

717
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,440
I mean, there'll be time, listen here,

718
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,560
there'll be times that I was at work, you know,

719
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,200
witnessing to people.

720
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,440
And I was witnessing to a man in my office.

721
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:05,760
I had a big office there.

722
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,560
I had a couple of desks that other people could share

723
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,600
because they worked for me right there.

724
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,080
And I'm talking about the gospel.

725
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,960
And this guy was super intelligent.

726
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,520
You could tell he was very smart.

727
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,880
And I didn't know how smart he was.

728
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,840
And I was sharing to him about the gospel

729
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,760
and the Holy Spirit quickened me.

730
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,640
And he says, don't speak to him like that.

731
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,120
He has an IQ of 120.

732
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,160
I knew exactly what that meant with the IQ scale.

733
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,880
So I scaled back the way I was speaking to him.

734
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,600
And I was, you know, people who are very intelligent,

735
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,160
you cannot leave anything out.

736
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,880
It's this, this, and I talked about the gospel,

737
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,920
the Old Testament, the sacrifice and the blood

738
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,080
and taking away, you know, covering a sin and Jesus.

739
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,400
And he needed every bit of that.

740
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,680
See, most people who have a just normal IQ,

741
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,760
we can all fill in the blanks.

742
00:29:58,760 --> 00:29:59,600
See what I mean?

743
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:00,760
This guy couldn't.

744
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,840
So, and I adjusted the way I was sharing the gospel

745
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:05,960
with him.

746
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,400
And then a couple of days later, unbeknownst to him,

747
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:09,240
I said, let me ask you a question

748
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,960
with just a regular conversation.

749
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,160
I said, let me ask you a question.

750
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,200
I said, is your IQ 120?

751
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,040
He looked at me and he says, how did you know that?

752
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,800
I said, I have ways of finding out.

753
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,600
You see, but I'm telling you that like a word of knowledge

754
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,720
in the moment you need it, that's what I was stirring up.

755
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:34,560
See, those kinds of things like that is how he does that.

756
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,920
And there was a lot of those, so many other things

757
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,680
that I was teaching that night about things like this.

758
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,040
This is available to the body of Christ.

759
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,160
This is what we need operating.

760
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,920
Now I'm not talking about being plugged in below

761
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,040
into some new age thing.

762
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,360
I'm talking about being plugged in

763
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,480
or being empowered by the Holy Spirit.

764
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:55,560
That's what I'm talking about.

765
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:56,840
Well, I wanna talk about that.

766
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,560
Cause you said you mentioned about plugged in below

767
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,520
versus plugged in above.

768
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,520
I think there's, as you look on YouTube,

769
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,280
as you look on social media now,

770
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,960
you're seeing a lot of things that look good,

771
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,960
that look innocent, manifesting people that are just

772
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,040
believing and this whole power of positive thinking.

773
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,040
There is biblical parts of that,

774
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,920
but it's also been manipulated.

775
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:25,760
Yep.

776
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,120
Brother, let's talk about discernment

777
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:28,800
and how you can look at these things

778
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,080
and see what is God and what is not.

779
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:36,080
I love it because I did a teaching here.

780
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,200
It was, I think in June of last year's 23

781
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,520
and it's called Pentecost.

782
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:46,640
I do a conference, the odd months of the year,

783
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,440
one, three, five, whatever, whatever the,

784
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,120
I do the odd months of the year.

785
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,400
I do a conference at our church, a deliverance training.

786
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:55,680
They come from everywhere.

787
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,160
Well, one of those was Pentecost.

788
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:03,160
And I taught the importance that if you're gonna operate

789
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:04,760
in the gifts of the Holy Spirit,

790
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,720
the importance of going through deliverance.

791
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,160
Now let me share a moment to you this year.

792
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,800
So I've taken a lot of people through deliverance.

793
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:13,880
I've learned a lot of things.

794
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,560
So I know of this one, I know these individuals,

795
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:17,840
these are pastors.

796
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,560
And as I'm taking them through deliverance

797
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:25,560
and because they do not struggle with having to believe

798
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,560
whether Christian can have a spirit or not, they know.

799
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,840
They know there's something wrong with them.

800
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,760
It's like there's pastors who battle pornography

801
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,880
and they preach holiness and they love God.

802
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,800
But this is an area of their life that is not

803
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,040
that something's there that they can't break.

804
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,160
And see, this is what deliverance does.

805
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,480
And the thing is for you to say that it's not there

806
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,040
is to deny all the people I pray for.

807
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,480
So you can't help them.

808
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,760
So that's why they come to us so we can break

809
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:59,000
and call out that spirit of pornography

810
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,000
that's going to feed every two to three months.

811
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,600
I think it's gonna feed.

812
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,720
And it's gonna break down that barrier you got.

813
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,080
You're gonna mess up and you're gonna repent

814
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,360
and about two or three months it's gonna happen again.

815
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,480
We'll see, that's what deliverance does.

816
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,000
Deliverance reaches in, calls that thing out.

817
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,840
Now you can not have, it's being on the outside.

818
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,480
It's not on the inside and you can resist it.

819
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,760
You can't resist what's on the inside.

820
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,000
You can resist only what's on the outside.

821
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,960
So you can only push down what's on the inside.

822
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,080
So I would pray for them like pornography.

823
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,920
Let's stay with the gifts.

824
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,280
This one here was prophecy.

825
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,560
This guy, man, he can prophesy.

826
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,480
And all of a sudden as I'm taking him through deliverance,

827
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,640
a spirit comes up of divination.

828
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,520
And I said, who are you?

829
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:43,840
He said, I'm divination.

830
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,080
I said, well, I made him renounce.

831
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,040
He says, no, he needs me.

832
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,680
And his face say, no, I don't need you.

833
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:50,880
Get out of me.

834
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,280
And that spirit of divination came out.

835
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:54,720
So here's what's happening.

836
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,560
It's because people do not submit to deliverance.

837
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,600
Is what happens is that operating in the spirit of God,

838
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,960
in the true gift of God, then all of a sudden, here we go.

839
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,760
They shift into something that's not holy.

840
00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:11,200
You see this thing moves in and out like that.

841
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:12,600
This is the way this thing here works.

842
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,200
And I'm telling you the way Pastor Henry,

843
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,640
I said, who took him through deliverance?

844
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,720
Who tell me who took them through deliverance?

845
00:34:19,720 --> 00:34:21,040
Have they been through deliverance?

846
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,320
And if they say, well, I said, well, how long?

847
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:24,160
Oh, about 10 minutes.

848
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,360
I said, no, I ain't listening to none of that.

849
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:31,360
Because the enemy knows how to get into

850
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,160
the gifts of the Holy Spirit functioning

851
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:35,680
in things like this here.

852
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,880
So, you know, the Bible talks about

853
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,400
how that sweet water and bitter,

854
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,200
how can it come out of the same fountain?

855
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,600
It's not saying that it's impossible.

856
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,760
He's saying that if sweet water or bitter

857
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,480
comes out of the same fountain,

858
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,280
something's wrong with the fountain.

859
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,120
That's what he's trying to teach.

860
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:55,280
That's what he's trying to teach.

861
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,560
So clean out the fountain.

862
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,080
And this is what deliverance does.

863
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,880
So that's prophecy, that's gifts of the Holy Spirit,

864
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,920
and things like that.

865
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,680
Everyone needs to go through deliverance,

866
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,760
especially if you operate in, of course,

867
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,440
baptism and Holy Ghost speaking

868
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,280
and going through deliverance.

869
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,320
So here's what I wanna share with you

870
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,640
about having the conference.

871
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,440
So we had one in June, I think it was,

872
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,640
or May or June of last year.

873
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,600
And so there's people, we have 100 people here.

874
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,960
And now this is not during the church service.

875
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,320
I'm teaching Friday,

876
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:32,920
I'm teaching about the need for deliverance,

877
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,440
I'm teaching deliverance.

878
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,880
I'm talking about how you gotta get this stuff out of you

879
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,320
and that if you're gonna do deliverance,

880
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,480
you need to be baptized in the Holy Spirit.

881
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,280
And at the end, that in during Saturday,

882
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:43,560
okay, let's stop right now.

883
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,200
Everybody who wants to receive the baptism

884
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:46,720
of the Holy Ghost, come to the front.

885
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:49,160
65 people come to the front.

886
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,720
No music, none of this here, that's none of that.

887
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:54,640
That's to raise your hands to heaven and say,

888
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,480
Lord, I wanna receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost.

889
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:58,600
Evidence of speaking.

890
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,920
These people had never received the Holy Spirit.

891
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,960
65 people at one time received the baptism of the Holy Ghost.

892
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:09,960
I just came from Tennessee,

893
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:14,440
it's like double digits or minus windchill.

894
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,840
We're up there, people come from Canada everywhere,

895
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,640
little small church, I'm taking training 50, 60 people.

896
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,240
And on Sunday morning, I said,

897
00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:24,280
how many wanna receive the Holy Spirit?

898
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,800
And have never prayed and never spoke in tongues.

899
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,400
It's like 20 people walk to the front.

900
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:29,960
I said, raise your hands to heaven.

901
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,640
And now they don't went through deliverance,

902
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:32,960
say they don't went through deliverance,

903
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,240
they've been trained.

904
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:36,560
And we pray for them to receive the Holy Spirit,

905
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:37,880
20 people at one time.

906
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,080
This church is a man who's gonna do this here.

907
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,040
And they're Pentecostal,

908
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,560
they won't have nobody a whole year baptizing the Holy Ghost.

909
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,840
See this, if you will get

910
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,140
and take people through deliverance first,

911
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:53,960
get the bad stuff out of them.

912
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,920
I'm not talking about they're not saved.

913
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,540
They've got stuff in them that's resisting

914
00:36:58,540 --> 00:36:59,720
and get that out of them,

915
00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:02,680
they easily receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

916
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,000
But they gotta be, and these people are hungry for it.

917
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,120
You know, how can people, people were saying,

918
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,240
well, we need to cancel the conference

919
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:12,640
that's going on in Tennessee.

920
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,080
And I said, no, there are people flying in from Canada.

921
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,920
They don't care how cold it is.

922
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,640
They wanna be trained,

923
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,680
they wanna know more about what's going on.

924
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,640
Have I got off track here?

925
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,080
Oh no, brother, you're right on track.

926
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,160
We're heading to the right destination for sure.

927
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:28,520
So that's what needs to happen,

928
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,360
that you gotta be hungry for it,

929
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:31,920
but everybody needs to go through deliverance.

930
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,280
And when I watch that on YouTube, I'm going,

931
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:35,600
mm-mm, that ain't right.

932
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,160
That's not the Holy Spirit.

933
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,520
I said, that's another spirit.

934
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,520
And the thing is, is because you gotta realize,

935
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,040
I'm in my sixties and you got, listen,

936
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,200
you got people who are in their twenties and thirties

937
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,000
and they're teaching you, they still novice.

938
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,560
I'm just saying they're just novice.

939
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,720
I look back and I go, that's new age.

940
00:37:55,720 --> 00:37:57,280
You say, you know, I just didn't fall off.

941
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,320
I just didn't come out of this.

942
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:00,560
You understand what I'm getting at?

943
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:01,560
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

944
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,520
And a lot of people can see it.

945
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:04,440
They can see it as well.

946
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,280
So that's just because, the word is to be cautious,

947
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:08,880
don't believe every spirit.

948
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,160
And everyone needs to go through deliverance,

949
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,000
a level of deliverance in that.

950
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,120
Yeah.

951
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:20,120
So yeah, there's so much out there that is the counterfeit,

952
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:21,880
but that means if there's a counterfeit,

953
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,600
then there's a real as well.

954
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,360
And so, you know, Pastor Henry,

955
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,520
let's talk more about the real,

956
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,200
because you had a real encounter with the Lord.

957
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,000
And I don't think we talked about that in this recording.

958
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,680
We talked about that before we started recording,

959
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,600
where you had an encounter with the Lord.

960
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,400
Let's talk about the real deal.

961
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,760
Oh yeah, as far as like being called to ministry.

962
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:48,600
Yeah, yeah.

963
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:49,440
Yeah, yeah.

964
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,240
So, I mean, I was in my twenties

965
00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:53,840
and I was seeking the Lord because, you know,

966
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,720
I was struggling about the call to ministry.

967
00:38:56,720 --> 00:38:59,520
And I said, I can't do this just based off,

968
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,000
you know, I just hear Lord, an unction,

969
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,520
you're telling me this here.

970
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,840
And I really got serious, started seeking the Lord.

971
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,360
And as I told you in the past,

972
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,160
that night when I went to sleep,

973
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,000
and I can tell you whether it was a dream.

974
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,760
And when Paul says, I don't know if I was in my body

975
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,360
or out of my body, but I was taken up to the third heaven.

976
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,760
And I understand that because for simplicity of you saying,

977
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:26,640
what, I don't believe in that.

978
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,240
Well, let's just call it a dream then,

979
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:29,760
but it was more than that.

980
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:34,160
And actually what happened is that I was standing

981
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,360
on the side of a grassy knoll.

982
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,160
It was sunshiny day.

983
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,040
And my mom was out there with me

984
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,800
and it was beautiful day out there.

985
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,320
And all of a sudden she pointed and pointed up to the sky.

986
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,760
And she says, look, I looked up in the sky

987
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,600
and I saw the Lord in the sky standing in the clouds.

988
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,280
And I started running towards that.

989
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,720
And then all of a sudden I remember the teaching

990
00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:01,040
that when Jesus comes, it will take faith to go up.

991
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,480
It's gonna take faith.

992
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,160
And I said, I believe in right when I did it,

993
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,080
I released off the ground.

994
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:08,520
This is crazy, brother.

995
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,440
I started going up into the sky.

996
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,320
And as I started going up into the sky, I got way high.

997
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,880
And I did my arms like this, took my eyes off the Lord.

998
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,360
And I looked at my arm.

999
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,120
I said, look what I'm doing.

1000
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:20,600
And then all of a sudden I realized,

1001
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:21,600
oh, that's not good thing.

1002
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,160
I started falling back down, but I looked way out

1003
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,320
and there was a huge skyscraper that he had went in

1004
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,320
and windows had opened and went right in.

1005
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,280
And I came across and went right into the same window.

1006
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,360
When I walked in, I just stepped in,

1007
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,000
there was a huge hallway

1008
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,960
and there was people walking back and forth, left and right.

1009
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,840
And he was standing right in the middle

1010
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,440
and they were bumping into him.

1011
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,320
And he was just standing there.

1012
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,120
And I wanted to go to him so bad.

1013
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,560
I mean, I knew who he was, they didn't.

1014
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,320
And he says, they don't know who I am.

1015
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,000
He says, but you'll be the one who tells them who I am.

1016
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,120
And immediately that moment I woke up

1017
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,640
or came back to myself and I went, oh my God.

1018
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,680
I mean, it was like I was there.

1019
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,000
And I didn't tell my wife right off the bat.

1020
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,360
I told her like, no, later on that day.

1021
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,520
And I said, I gotta tell you something that happened.

1022
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,800
And then I told her, she said, oh, we gotta tell the pastor.

1023
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,880
So I told the pastor where I went to church at there

1024
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,040
and I was shared with him what had happened.

1025
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,040
And he looked at me and he says, this happened to you?

1026
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,280
I go, yes, sir.

1027
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,560
And so there are people who believe in a theophany.

1028
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,040
I didn't know what it was.

1029
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:38,400
And in that you're called into a five-fold office

1030
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,360
through a direct call from Jesus.

1031
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,320
And I didn't know what all that meant and everything.

1032
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,400
So that's what happened to me.

1033
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,360
And from that moment on, everything that I do,

1034
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,840
it's like, I just do what he tells me to do.

1035
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,040
And it worked.

1036
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,960
Not that I don't have, bro, I've had some bad,

1037
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,960
I've had some struggles, but it's because,

1038
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,000
and I know my calling.

1039
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,920
So not everybody's call is gonna be like that,

1040
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,120
but if the Lord has called you,

1041
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,400
then seek the Lord walking the calling that you've heard,

1042
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,040
heard his voice and God will vindicate your call

1043
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:12,440
into ministry.

1044
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,240
Not everybody who takes a platform's call of the Lord,

1045
00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:17,440
many of our mama call, papa call,

1046
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:18,520
their call of themselves.

1047
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,960
And I wasn't called to myself, I didn't wanna do it.

1048
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,840
Just doing this interview, I go,

1049
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,080
God has to make me do it

1050
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,200
because I don't wanna promote myself,

1051
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:31,040
you know what I mean?

1052
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,520
But I wanna tell you about him.

1053
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,440
He's the one that does it all, Jesus does.

1054
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,960
I wanna thank you for sharing more in depth

1055
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,080
about that encounter with the Lord.

1056
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,920
And God's used you to help other people

1057
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,960
encounter the Lord in a powerful way.

1058
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,360
And one of those people has been Pastor Greg Locke,

1059
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,440
who's one of our authors here at Charisma.

1060
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,320
And he went from being a cessationist

1061
00:42:58,320 --> 00:42:59,720
to being a continuationist

1062
00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:02,880
because he had some things that he encountered

1063
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,320
that he could not explain beyond just,

1064
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:08,960
God is still alive today,

1065
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,520
God is the Holy Spirit is moving.

1066
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,840
And God used you to help him a lot

1067
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,400
and to help him kind of figure this stuff out.

1068
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,360
Could you talk a little bit about that experience

1069
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,680
and your connection with him?

1070
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,000
Yes, because I like to take it back,

1071
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,000
if you let me take it back.

1072
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,840
Remember the radio station?

1073
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,840
And so God got, say all of this here

1074
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,400
is God setting up his plans for the future.

1075
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,640
And at the, I don't wanna get political here,

1076
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,360
but at the end of the, was it 2020 election,

1077
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,880
is the Lord spoke to me and he told me,

1078
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:43,880
he said, here's what I want you to do.

1079
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,680
He said, take the resource I gave you

1080
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,160
and I want you to broadcast the truth of what happened.

1081
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,120
So what I did is I connected with Clay Clark,

1082
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:55,200
Reopen America Tour.

1083
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,560
I don't know if you know them or not, but okay.

1084
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,760
So behind the scenes, I was radio.

1085
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,240
Now this is FCC license.

1086
00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:03,160
This is not internet rate.

1087
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,960
This is FCC license and we do broadcast on the web as well,

1088
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,120
but it's a real FCC license.

1089
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:11,440
So it's real media.

1090
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:12,840
It's the real deal, y'all.

1091
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:13,760
You know what I mean?

1092
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:18,760
So I connect with them and they allow me to interview

1093
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:19,840
all of these people.

1094
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:24,840
I mean, Roger Stone, Mike Lindell, all of these people

1095
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,520
and their Christian experience.

1096
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,480
So we would go and we would broadcast

1097
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,640
about their Christian experiences

1098
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,480
and how that good people need to get involved

1099
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:37,560
in our country.

1100
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,000
That's pretty much what it was all about.

1101
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:45,000
And in that, I got on, I would see Greg Locke,

1102
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:46,840
but he was a pastor.

1103
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,360
I knew he was Baptist.

1104
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,440
I knew he was Baptist, but it didn't matter to me.

1105
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,200
At that point, it is good people need to get involved

1106
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:54,040
in our country.

1107
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:55,320
I don't care what you believe.

1108
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:56,800
And that was it.

1109
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,600
And so I had met him.

1110
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,160
We'd only talked very briefly.

1111
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:01,960
You and I have talked more than I had talked with him

1112
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,920
until that point already.

1113
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:04,920
You know what I mean?

1114
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,520
And I think I interviewed him one time

1115
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,840
and he had a great following and all of that.

1116
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,880
And then I asked him to come to the church.

1117
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,680
I got him on television here at WBPI.

1118
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,200
I come in and he was doing a book thing.

1119
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,920
I said, come on in, do your book thing there on television.

1120
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,280
We had a little conference we did here.

1121
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:26,800
I said, come by the church.

1122
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,320
And I says, and do your spiel.

1123
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,080
I mean, do your, everybody needs to get involved.

1124
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:32,200
So he comes to the church.

1125
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,840
We had a full church that night on a Friday

1126
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,880
and I let him do his whole thing.

1127
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,040
I do not get involved.

1128
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:39,320
I don't even go to the front.

1129
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,800
It's all, this is all Greg Locke

1130
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,800
and our ministry there, Global Vision.

1131
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,560
And so at the end of that, I'm in the foyer

1132
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,840
as I'm standing in the foyer, the Lord spoke to me

1133
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,320
and he says, take Greg Locke in your office

1134
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,240
and talk to him about deliverance.

1135
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:57,320
I said, he don't even believe, he don't even believe,

1136
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:58,600
he don't even believe in none of this.

1137
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,160
He says, take him in your office.

1138
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,640
So I said, Greg, I said, can I meet with you just a moment?

1139
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,080
So I took him in my office and I sat down

1140
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:06,960
and I started talking with him.

1141
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,640
And here's what I told him.

1142
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,720
I said, I explained to him about the man's arms and legs

1143
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:14,640
and the things that I had seen.

1144
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:15,760
And here's what I told him.

1145
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,960
I said, Greg, I said, God wants to bring

1146
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:24,600
a different kind of freedom to his people through you

1147
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,320
other than the freedom we're talking about in the country.

1148
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,440
He wants to bring a different kind of freedom

1149
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:31,760
and it's the freedom of deliverance.

1150
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,840
He wants to use you to do it.

1151
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,960
And I started sharing with him about the things

1152
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,480
that I had seen.

1153
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,160
And then I also told him that when I came back

1154
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:45,160
from seeing this happen with this man's arms and legs,

1155
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:50,280
God spoke to me, John, at the altar, at the church there

1156
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,520
as I was seeking the Lord when I came back.

1157
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:53,360
And here's what he told me.

1158
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,320
He says, take your front row out.

1159
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,560
He said, I'm gonna fill it with wheelchairs.

1160
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,960
And he says, I'm just telling you what he said, bro.

1161
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,080
I'm telling Greg like this.

1162
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:03,080
I'm just telling you.

1163
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,240
I said, here's what he said.

1164
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:05,480
Take your front row out.

1165
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:06,720
We're gonna fill it with wheelchairs.

1166
00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:08,440
And when they come, you're not gonna have to worry

1167
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,360
about whether the power of God's gonna be here.

1168
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:11,720
He said, it'll be here.

1169
00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:13,400
Just do what I tell you to do.

1170
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,740
And then he goes on to tell me what the Lord said

1171
00:47:16,740 --> 00:47:17,640
he's going to do.

1172
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,000
And he said, I'd send people from all over the United States

1173
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:22,720
here for deliverance.

1174
00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:25,720
And I said, Greg, I said, this is what God wants to do

1175
00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:28,520
is to bring you to that level there.

1176
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:29,640
And he stopped.

1177
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,360
I talked about 45 minutes with him, maybe 40, 45 minutes.

1178
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:34,960
He just listened.

1179
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,400
And at the end of that, he stood up and he says, Pastor,

1180
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,600
he said, this is what I've been waiting to hear right here.

1181
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,200
And he walked out of the door

1182
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,560
and somebody had given him a couple of books we had there

1183
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:46,960
about deliverance.

1184
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,460
And I thought I would never hear from him again.

1185
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:52,480
I said, this is it.

1186
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:53,300
He'll never hear.

1187
00:47:53,300 --> 00:47:54,680
I'll never hear nothing from him again.

1188
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:55,520
So he leaves.

1189
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,040
That was 21 December of 21.

1190
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,040
And he goes out of the church.

1191
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,360
He goes back to global vision.

1192
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,280
He starts preaching deliverance.

1193
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:11,500
Now he's Baptist, cessation as you heard that.

1194
00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:14,360
And he's teaching and preaching all of this.

1195
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,280
Demons are manifesting.

1196
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:17,960
They're screaming, they're coming out.

1197
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,580
He's seeing all kinds of miracles happen and everything.

1198
00:48:21,580 --> 00:48:26,580
And he calls me, I think it's February of 22,

1199
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,160
after this thing had broke out.

1200
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,680
And he says, Pastor, you've got to come.

1201
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:31,960
You got to come to global vision.

1202
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,640
You got to come, we got to talk.

1203
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,160
So it's just the sister Schaefer and I,

1204
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,480
we left church after that Sunday.

1205
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,240
We drove this like five or six hours.

1206
00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:41,720
We know seven hours we get there

1207
00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:43,520
to Mount Juliet, Tennessee.

1208
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:47,440
And we met with his staff and we met there

1209
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:48,720
probably about three hours.

1210
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:51,280
And I just shared about deliverance

1211
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,800
and the things that we have seen in deliverance.

1212
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,840
And I told Greg Locke this year,

1213
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,280
because you got to realize this is the only time

1214
00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:59,540
that you're going to be at that.

1215
00:48:59,540 --> 00:49:01,040
I don't know before people get to them

1216
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,080
to tell them that this isn't real.

1217
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:03,920
See what I mean?

1218
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:05,480
I don't want to tell them it's not real.

1219
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,440
And I said, Greg, you know,

1220
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,360
just like you miss deliverance being real

1221
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,240
and Christians having demons and all of that.

1222
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:15,240
I said, something else you miss too.

1223
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:17,000
I said, it's the baptism of the Holy Ghost

1224
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,320
speaking in tongues.

1225
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,540
I said, it's real as well.

1226
00:49:20,540 --> 00:49:22,600
And I said, if you're going to operate

1227
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,580
in the ministry of deliverance,

1228
00:49:24,580 --> 00:49:27,640
this is what you need to continue on

1229
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:28,540
and making that happen.

1230
00:49:28,540 --> 00:49:32,360
He says, I want everything that God has for me.

1231
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,520
And we left from there that evening

1232
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,600
and we go back to his church, to the compound there.

1233
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,640
And we pray with him and his wife and some others there

1234
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,960
to about two or three o'clock in the morning.

1235
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,440
And in the morning time,

1236
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,540
that morning, I don't know, two or three o'clock,

1237
00:49:50,540 --> 00:49:52,160
I don't know, you can cut this anywhere

1238
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:53,680
you think is appropriate.

1239
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,120
But he and Ty was sitting there in his office.

1240
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,520
One had one hand raised, one had the other hand raised

1241
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:00,920
and they was holding hands.

1242
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,160
And I just laid hands on them.

1243
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,520
And I said, receive the Holy Spirit

1244
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,060
with the evidence of speaking in tongues.

1245
00:50:06,060 --> 00:50:09,040
And both of them started the baptism of the Holy Ghost.

1246
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:10,760
That was their experience.

1247
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,160
They received what the first century apostles did.

1248
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,960
And that sets them up for the supernatural

1249
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,600
because before that, I want to just share with you

1250
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:21,660
what's happening here.

1251
00:50:21,660 --> 00:50:23,480
Is that Jesus had told his disciples,

1252
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,800
you can operate in my authority.

1253
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,960
And when Jesus ascended to heaven, he says,

1254
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,980
now don't go anywhere and try to cast out any demons

1255
00:50:30,980 --> 00:50:33,240
or do anything I told y'all to do

1256
00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:36,340
until you go to the upper room and you will receive power.

1257
00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:41,560
So that power comes in in the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

1258
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,880
When you operate in authority

1259
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:45,800
with the power of the Holy Spirit,

1260
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,000
that is where you are engaged

1261
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,320
to be able to engage the enemy.

1262
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:53,000
And I had to make sure that I told him that.

1263
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:58,000
And then God sending someone, me,

1264
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,920
that would have to express that.

1265
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,420
And not only that, John, I will tell you

1266
00:51:04,420 --> 00:51:08,560
that there are people who, they come from everywhere

1267
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,680
for me to pray for them to receive the Holy Spirit.

1268
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,440
It just happens.

1269
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:17,240
So God sent that to make it happen.

1270
00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:19,480
It had to happen that night.

1271
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:20,680
Did that make sense?

1272
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,620
For that ministry to go on with it.

1273
00:51:23,620 --> 00:51:27,120
And from then on, everything happened from there.

1274
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:28,800
The church exploded.

1275
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,120
People started coming from all over the place

1276
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:32,540
for global vision.

1277
00:51:32,540 --> 00:51:34,840
And I mean, that's a story within itself.

1278
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,120
I mean, it's like flipping an entire church

1279
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,640
or a whole thousands of people.

1280
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,080
I'm gonna tell you what the Lord told me

1281
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,560
when deliverance came to the church.

1282
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,120
He says, don't say what you're doing

1283
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,360
is small or insignificant.

1284
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,920
He said, cause this is bigger than you can imagine.

1285
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:54,280
That's what he told me.

1286
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,240
Because you've got to realize in 2015,

1287
00:51:57,240 --> 00:52:01,840
when deliverance started, it started there at the church

1288
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:06,680
and it was pandemonium that broke out January 1 of 2015.

1289
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,400
When I went to church that morning,

1290
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,240
I preached a message about if you're here

1291
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,240
and you're battling things

1292
00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:20,040
and you've messed up like Adam and Eve did,

1293
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,040
and they stood there with their fig leaves covering

1294
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,640
what they had done, their sin,

1295
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,480
is that you've got to confess like Adam and Eve did

1296
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,640
and say, Lord, I'm having problems.

1297
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,560
And I preached like a 20 minute message.

1298
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,680
And I said, if you're here

1299
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,400
and you're battling some areas in your life,

1300
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:38,400
you've got to come to the Lord

1301
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,000
and you got to tell him I'm battling some things.

1302
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,280
And if you will, he'll set you free from them.

1303
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,800
So that morning, January 1 of 2015,

1304
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,280
or I think it was actually the third,

1305
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:48,620
that was the first Sunday,

1306
00:52:48,620 --> 00:52:51,080
what happens is I make that message call,

1307
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:51,980
they came to the front,

1308
00:52:51,980 --> 00:52:53,520
five people came to the front.

1309
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,800
When they did, I look there,

1310
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,120
traditional church of God,

1311
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,360
traditional church choir behind me,

1312
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,240
and I'm standing there and I'm looking at these five people.

1313
00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:06,120
And I said, Lord, who do I pray for first?

1314
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,480
And at the end, there's a woman

1315
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,840
and her face is moving like that.

1316
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,400
Her face is moving.

1317
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,940
I said, well, God, I guess I know which one

1318
00:53:16,940 --> 00:53:18,200
I need to pray for first.

1319
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,960
And I guess I'm gonna be the only one to do it.

1320
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,400
So I stepped up to her, I said, ma'am, what is your problem?

1321
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:29,320
She says, pastor, I'm battling anger.

1322
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:30,720
I said, well, that's not a problem.

1323
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:33,320
I said, Jesus, I set you free from that spirit of anger.

1324
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,320
I said, say this here, say I don't want anger no more.

1325
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,040
So she says, I don't want anger.

1326
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:38,560
And I said, come on up here, anger.

1327
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:39,600
I said, come on up here, anger.

1328
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:43,920
And it says, no, it came out of her voice, brother, loud.

1329
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,280
No, she's mine.

1330
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:48,920
I've had her for years.

1331
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,960
The hair on top of my head stood up.

1332
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:53,600
This is in church, man.

1333
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,480
Hair on top of my head stood up.

1334
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,520
I walked to the end of the people who were standing there.

1335
00:53:58,520 --> 00:53:59,760
And I looked at the congregation.

1336
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,920
I said, grab your babies, grab your Bibles,

1337
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,840
grab your books, leave the sanctuary now.

1338
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,720
All these people jumped up and they ran out

1339
00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:07,960
of the sanctuary.

1340
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,920
And when they ran out, and unless you're gonna stay back

1341
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,800
here to help me pray, and I had like 10 or 15 people

1342
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,560
stay back to help me pray for these five people.

1343
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,840
And I looked back at the doors of the church.

1344
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,400
We have windows about this wide, so you walk through

1345
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:22,960
the door, you don't hit somebody.

1346
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,680
So they had glasses and windows like that.

1347
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,280
All I could see was eyes looking through the door.

1348
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,200
They wanted to know what was going on in that room.

1349
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,720
So we prayed with them for the next,

1350
00:54:35,720 --> 00:54:37,760
oh, I don't know, to three or four hours,

1351
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,720
we prayed for them, casting demons out of five people there.

1352
00:54:41,720 --> 00:54:45,320
But, oh no, another note is that,

1353
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,640
see, you talked about radio.

1354
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,040
See, what the Lord told me to do was,

1355
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,720
he built the radio station, and he told me, he says,

1356
00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:54,720
now what I want you to do is put your services

1357
00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:55,880
live on the radio.

1358
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,240
So I want you to think of what I just told you.

1359
00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:04,000
We're not recording something on the radio, it's live.

1360
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:09,200
So what's happening live, they're listening in their cars,

1361
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,800
and I've had people drive in when I gave the altar call

1362
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,560
and walk in the door, give their heart to the Lord, live.

1363
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:16,960
You understand what I'm saying?

1364
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:17,880
It's not recorded.

1365
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:19,360
See, I want you to put your stuff on there.

1366
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,960
So that morning, I am broadcasting,

1367
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,640
with all them screaming, demons coming out,

1368
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:26,760
live over the radio.

1369
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,040
I didn't have time to disconnect it.

1370
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:30,480
For the next three or four hours,

1371
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,120
they're hearing all this screaming going on

1372
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,560
in the sanctuary, come out in the name of Jesus, come out.

1373
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:38,080
And there's people who finally came to the church,

1374
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,480
they said, we were out of our church,

1375
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,320
we had the radio on, and we were glued to the radio.

1376
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,880
It was like listening to War of the Worlds.

1377
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,840
And we were listening to the radio, and they came in.

1378
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,080
So those are the kind of things that,

1379
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,000
when deliverance happened at our church,

1380
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,800
same thing starts to happen up at Global Vision.

1381
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,000
People comes from everywhere,

1382
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:05,000
and all kinds of manifestations of demons, deliverance,

1383
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:06,800
all of those kinds of things are happening.

1384
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,600
But not only with that, miracles happens as well.

1385
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,880
So this is a deliverance.

1386
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:16,880
Deliverance is the end time spearhead of the end time revival.

1387
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:18,720
This is it.

1388
00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:20,520
And if you miss deliverance,

1389
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,480
and you think that this is something small

1390
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,120
nor insignificant, that you don't realize

1391
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,680
that God is cleaning up the bride first.

1392
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,800
The bride recognizes she's got problems,

1393
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,720
and that things are not coming out of the bride.

1394
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:38,280
And God's gonna deliver the bride.

1395
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:42,440
It's Joel, in Joel 2.32, and there shall be deliverance

1396
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:46,520
in Mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and in the remnant,

1397
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:48,080
whom the Lord shall call.

1398
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,240
So the remnant recognizes that she's got some things

1399
00:56:51,240 --> 00:56:52,720
she needs to get out.

1400
00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:56,120
So the church gets it first, and gets cleaned up.

1401
00:56:56,120 --> 00:57:00,320
And when the harvest comes, the harvest is coming in

1402
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:04,640
with much of the same things that the remnant's got or had.

1403
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:08,760
And the church will be equipped to help deliver

1404
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:10,600
the harvest when they come in,

1405
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,920
because they went through deliverance themselves.

1406
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:14,640
And so that, I believe that's the spearhead

1407
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,280
of the end time revival that you're seeing everywhere.

1408
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:18,480
Amen, amen.

1409
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:22,480
Brother, I could talk with you and listen to you for hours,

1410
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:26,040
and I might just have to do another interview

1411
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:27,280
just to make sure that that happens.

1412
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:28,680
But before we wrap up here,

1413
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,000
would you just pray for the people that are watching this,

1414
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,560
and pray for the people that are listening,

1415
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:37,520
that they would have that encounter,

1416
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:42,400
and really have that real experience with the Holy Spirit,

1417
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,400
that real infilling of the Holy Spirit,

1418
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,080
or however else that the Lord is leading you.

1419
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,520
But I just feel like there's people that are so caught up

1420
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:55,160
in the wow factor, that they're missing the real,

1421
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,240
and they're looking for the special effects

1422
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:58,360
instead of what's real.

1423
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,160
You know, there's two passages of scripture.

1424
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,840
It's Hosea 4-6, most people know this.

1425
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:08,240
It says, my people perish, my people die,

1426
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:12,040
my people perish for, or destroyed for lack of knowledge.

1427
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,440
And then the Lord started telling me,

1428
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,320
he said, no, it's more than that.

1429
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:17,920
It's Isaiah 5-13,

1430
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:19,920
and most people don't know this scripture here.

1431
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,480
And it says, my people go into captivity

1432
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:23,600
for lack of knowledge.

1433
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:26,240
One, they're destroyed, the other one,

1434
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:30,440
the church is in captivity, and they don't even realize it.

1435
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:35,440
So there is a spirit that's in the world of mind control.

1436
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,600
And mind control is control of the church,

1437
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,560
and many people in the church.

1438
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:45,720
They know there's something's not right,

1439
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,440
but they don't know how to get past it.

1440
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,680
And here's what I'm gonna share with you.

1441
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:55,080
If you're struggling in your walk,

1442
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:56,840
knowing that there's more,

1443
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,960
there is a demonic assignment to stop you

1444
00:58:59,960 --> 00:59:03,840
from operating in the gifts of the Holy Spirit

1445
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,320
and your destiny that God has for you.

1446
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,600
See, that word like debt, those are key words

1447
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,240
that people that are speakers, they just know.

1448
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,320
If I use the word destiny, calling,

1449
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:14,760
these are things that attract people.

1450
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:16,800
But I want you to know is that,

1451
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,040
here's the thing is that Satan has an assignment.

1452
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,200
The first assignment against you

1453
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,120
is to keep you from knowing Jesus.

1454
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,560
If he fails in that assignment,

1455
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,280
he has a secondary assignment,

1456
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:33,480
and it's to keep you from fulfilling your calling

1457
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:38,680
and stand between you and what God has for you.

1458
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,760
So what I want to, if I could instruct someone,

1459
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:46,760
is that you need to make sure that deliverance,

1460
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:50,200
if there's anything in your life that is hindering,

1461
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,320
that don't just think it's something on the outside,

1462
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,480
but deliverance is for you.

1463
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:59,040
And that deliverance came at a cost,

1464
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,600
and Jesus died for your deliverance.

1465
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:05,640
He paid for the penalty of your sin,

1466
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:10,640
but he also defeated the enemy that he must let you go

1467
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:16,080
in life, and the ministry of deliverance

1468
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:20,000
is delegated to the church that he gave.

1469
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,160
See, we can't pay for your sin.

1470
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,200
Jesus did that, but he gave the ministry of deliverance

1471
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:26,640
to the church.

1472
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,760
So my job is to instruct you that there are things

1473
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,320
that will stand between you and your destiny,

1474
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,440
and it's a demonic assignment.

1475
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,760
So I'm gonna pray that you can understand

1476
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:38,920
the ministry of deliverance.

1477
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,200
Reach out, seek your deliverance.

1478
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,880
You can walk in the spirit and the fullness

1479
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:47,040
that God has for you, and that God can show you

1480
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,560
and direct you where you need to be at in life.

1481
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:50,720
Is that all right, John?

1482
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:52,760
Father, we love you.

1483
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:53,580
Thank you for today.

1484
01:00:53,580 --> 01:00:54,720
Thank you for your blessing.

1485
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,320
Lord, I thank you for this opportunity to come together

1486
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,320
with John and just share of your goodness,

1487
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:04,040
and Lord, of the supernatural that you have used

1488
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:07,960
in my life, Jesus Christ receives all glory and honor.

1489
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:09,880
Father, we pray that we have represented

1490
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:14,200
the kingdom of God well here in this discussion today.

1491
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,760
Lord, I pray for the people who's gonna maybe listen

1492
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:21,720
to this or see this here, that there's a connection

1493
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:24,680
in your heart right now saying, God, I know there's more,

1494
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:26,000
and this is it.

1495
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:27,800
I pray, Father, that they would hear the word,

1496
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,560
stir up the gift of the Holy Ghost that God has given you.

1497
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,300
Pray in the spirit, and Lord, that they would start

1498
01:01:34,300 --> 01:01:37,480
to activate that supernatural that's in them.

1499
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,880
And Father, those who are in bondage to an area

1500
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:42,500
of their life, we come against it.

1501
01:01:42,500 --> 01:01:45,800
We bind the strong man in every person

1502
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:47,580
that's gonna listen to this.

1503
01:01:47,580 --> 01:01:50,280
We bind the strong man, and we say that you have

1504
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:51,600
no authority.

1505
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:54,080
Father, in Jesus' name, I pray that they would seek

1506
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:54,920
their deliverance.

1507
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:58,120
You would lead them to a well and a hope

1508
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,840
and a ministry of deliverance, that they could be free

1509
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:02,800
so they can move forward in life.

1510
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:06,000
Lord, I'm looking for great things in the kingdom of God.

1511
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,460
Lord, I know that your word tells us,

1512
01:02:08,460 --> 01:02:10,600
great end time harvest is coming.

1513
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:13,880
Help me, Lord, to build up an army

1514
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:17,080
of supernatural deliverance ministries

1515
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:20,640
that are ready to take the kingdom of the enemy

1516
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:24,400
away from what they have done and take new territory

1517
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:25,240
in life.

1518
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,800
I thank you, Lord, what you're gonna do with these people.

1519
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:50,800
In Jesus' name we pray, amen.

1520
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:57,280
All I want to let you know is that I don't have

1521
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,040
a great big ministry.

1522
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:02,520
I don't have thousands and thousands of followers

1523
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:06,800
on Facebook and all of that, but I just do

1524
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,040
what the Lord tells me to do, and you see the influence

1525
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:10,840
with just the radio station, how many a week

1526
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:13,680
and turn on any moment, and of course,

1527
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:16,520
connection with the television, which they want me to come,

1528
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:18,520
but I don't want to go.

1529
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:21,520
I just don't, but I do just because they're friends.

1530
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:26,520
I have a church that is aching over here,

1531
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,520
and it holds some 150 people.

1532
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:34,720
I run anywhere between 100, maybe 125.

1533
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:37,280
I have people right now, I'm getting ready

1534
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:38,920
to do a conference this week.

1535
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:43,920
I just came from Tennessee, Saudi, Dazie.

1536
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:45,720
I did a conference, a four-day conference.

1537
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:46,920
I do four-day conferences.

1538
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:49,200
I do Thursday night mass deliverance.

1539
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:53,000
Friday, I teach from eight in the morning to 10 at night.

1540
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:54,200
You hear what I just said?

1541
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:56,400
I will teach Saturday from eight in the morning

1542
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:58,880
to 10 at night, and then I'll come back Sunday,

1543
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:01,640
and I'll do a Sunday service from 10 to two,

1544
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:03,120
take a couple hours off, come back,

1545
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:04,800
and do mass deliverance that night.

1546
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:10,640
So we do that wherever we go, and then I drove back Monday,

1547
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:12,960
but we had people come in from Canada.

1548
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:14,120
They flew in from Canada.

1549
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,080
This is cold weather now up here.

1550
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:17,280
They were freezing.

1551
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,800
People flew in from Canada.

1552
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:20,800
They come from England.

1553
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:21,840
They flew in from England.

1554
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:24,840
We only had kind of like 60 people,

1555
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,520
but they all come in wherever we have a conference at.

1556
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:29,840
They come in from everywhere just to be trained

1557
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:31,200
on deliverance.

1558
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:32,520
So that was last weekend.

1559
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:34,360
I got one starting Thursday.

1560
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:37,240
Many of the people from Canada came down.

1561
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:39,040
I'll have a church full this weekend,

1562
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:42,240
and I'll do training again for four more days.

1563
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:46,240
But I teach deliverance and what the Lord has shown me,

1564
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:48,640
and there are people come from all over,

1565
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,040
listen, they come from all over the world.

1566
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:54,280
Not just United States, they come from all over the world

1567
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:57,760
for me or my staff to pray for them for deliverance,

1568
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:00,120
because they are absolutely miracles.

1569
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:01,960
And this started in 2015.

1570
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:08,760
Let's just do this thing and see what works out.

1571
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:11,320
It was something that happened,

1572
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:16,320
and I was actually asked to go to a place

1573
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:21,600
in Diberville, Mississippi, and I was teaching about,

1574
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:23,280
if you part of Charisma magazine,

1575
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:26,160
about the gifts of the Holy Spirit speaking in tongues.

1576
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:28,640
And I'd had a lot of experiences like that.

1577
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:30,720
And I was teaching about the supernatural things

1578
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:32,160
that I had seen.

1579
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:35,440
But what happened was at the end of the service,

1580
01:14:35,440 --> 01:14:36,720
this is about 10 at night now,

1581
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:38,480
after them prayed for everybody,

1582
01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:41,560
they brought a man in who had never walked.

1583
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:46,240
He had his legs was drawn up, his arms was drawn up,

1584
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:47,560
he was slobbering.

1585
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:50,160
And they sat him on the front row and they said,

1586
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:52,080
you preach all this supernatural stuff about God.

1587
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:53,720
They said, pray for him.

1588
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:56,520
I said, well, I'm not the one who does the miracles anyway.

1589
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:58,000
I said, Jesus does the miracles.

1590
01:14:58,000 --> 01:14:58,920
Y'all wanna see a miracle?

1591
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:00,640
Let's see what Jesus does.

1592
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:01,880
So I laid hands on him.

1593
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:04,040
This is all I knew to do is I rebuke the evil spirits

1594
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:05,480
that was tormenting him.

1595
01:15:05,480 --> 01:15:07,240
And I asked him, I says,

1596
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:09,080
do you wanna walk?

1597
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:10,600
And he nods his head like that.

1598
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:12,600
I stuck my arm out like that.

1599
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,440
And I said, grab my hand and his arms shook

1600
01:15:15,440 --> 01:15:16,360
and they grew out.

1601
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:18,720
And he grabbed my hand.

1602
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:20,080
I says, do you wanna stand?

1603
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:21,720
He does his head like that.

1604
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:24,120
And I said, let's stand.

1605
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:26,480
And when I did his knee, his knees was to his chest.

1606
01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:27,640
He had never walked.

1607
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:30,000
His knees was drawn up like that and they shook like that

1608
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:32,240
and they grew out and they touched the floor.

1609
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:35,200
And I pulled on it and he stood up

1610
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:37,600
and we walked across the front of the church.

1611
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:39,400
That messed me up.

1612
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:43,880
That got me to a place to where I was preaching,

1613
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:46,640
I was teaching on the gifts of the Holy Spirit

1614
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:49,240
where the Lord, he would show me,

1615
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:51,360
cause I had such a desire to want to walk

1616
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:53,720
in the supernatural, but I wanna do it right.

1617
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:55,720
I don't wanna get into this new age stuff.

1618
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:57,240
It's this new age stuff.

1619
01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:58,560
It's all demonic.

1620
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:01,240
So there's a right way to do this.

1621
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:03,080
And so I was seeking the Lord

1622
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:05,880
and this happened to me.

1623
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:09,080
And what happens is it made me come back

1624
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:10,600
and I would lay across my altars

1625
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:13,240
and I said, God, I've missed something.

1626
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:15,160
You know, all these people talk about supernatural.

1627
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:17,560
I said, I've seen something so supernatural.

1628
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:18,800
This shook me.

1629
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:20,480
And then the Lord started speaking to me

1630
01:16:20,480 --> 01:16:22,600
and he says, get your church ready.

1631
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:24,320
He says, deliverance and miracles

1632
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:25,800
are coming to your church.

1633
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:28,520
And I just started teaching about deliverance.

1634
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:31,320
He had always known a level of deliverance.

1635
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:33,800
If you came to me and said, hey, I'm battling depression.

1636
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:35,880
Well, I knew that was the Spirit just come out

1637
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:37,440
in the name of Jesus and you'd feel something

1638
01:16:37,440 --> 01:16:40,360
or you'd manifest and something would happen.

1639
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:44,720
But this right here in 2015, January 1st, 2015,

1640
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:46,200
it hit brother.

1641
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:48,600
And when it came, I could walk into a room

1642
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:50,360
and people start manifesting.

1643
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:53,240
I could see black on people's face.

1644
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:54,800
I didn't even wanna go to church and preach.

1645
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:56,120
They just, in me saying anything,

1646
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:58,360
demons would just start manifesting.

1647
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:01,600
And so anyway, I had that kind of a crazy experience.

1648
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:05,360
That drove me to get deeper with the Lord

1649
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:07,520
and deliverance came.

1650
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:09,720
So God would start sending me people.

1651
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:10,840
He said, I will send people

1652
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:12,800
from all over the United States here.

1653
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:15,800
He says, but when they come, expect you to pray for them.

1654
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:19,480
And he would send them and we would spend hours and hours.

1655
01:17:19,480 --> 01:17:21,600
He even instructed me, he says,

1656
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:23,280
when you go to church, set your lights.

1657
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:25,880
So we got to work church at 9, 30, 10 o'clock.

1658
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:27,120
And he says, set your lights

1659
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:29,640
like you'll not be home till Monday.

1660
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:31,760
So many times we don't go home to Monday.

1661
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:33,320
We pray for people.

1662
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:34,160
Wow.

1663
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,000
We'll be getting out of church at 10 o'clock at night

1664
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:37,960
and you'll be looking, oh, man, we get to go home

1665
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:40,200
and look and there'll be a car coming down the road.

1666
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:42,280
Like the blinker light comes on.

1667
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:45,160
It turns into the driveway to the church.

1668
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:47,400
People fall out.

1669
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:48,360
They're demonized.

1670
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:52,120
We drag them inside and start praying for them.

1671
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:53,560
Anyway, those kinds of things like that.

1672
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:56,080
But anyway, I'm gonna ask some questions.

1673
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:57,840
And this is just great.

1674
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:00,600
But I wanna pray before we officially get started.

1675
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:02,640
And I don't know if I'll be able to use some of that

1676
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:03,480
into the interview.

1677
01:18:03,480 --> 01:18:04,960
I'm gonna probably try to use,

1678
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:06,160
because that story was amazing.

1679
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:07,880
I might ask you to just say it again.

1680
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:10,120
Okay, whatever you like.

1681
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:11,200
Let's pray.

1682
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:14,760
Father God, we thank you much for Pastor Henry

1683
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:17,360
and the ministry that you've called him to, Lord God,

1684
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:19,640
that he's been faithful with.

1685
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:22,880
God, we thank you so much for the steps of obedience

1686
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:25,200
and the steps of faith that he has taken.

1687
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:28,240
And he has seen you do amazing, amazing things

1688
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:32,000
as a result of him just stepping out of faith

1689
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:33,320
and starting a radio station

1690
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:35,560
when he didn't know what to do about that.

1691
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:38,720
God, we just thank you for this influence.

1692
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:41,360
Thank you for this man of character and integrity.

1693
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:43,560
And we thank you for the,

1694
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:46,320
even though he might have a small church, Lord God,

1695
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:49,040
he's making a big impact for the kingdom.

1696
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:52,360
And God, we thank you for the people that he has invested in

1697
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:54,360
and how their lives have been changed

1698
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:56,800
and how this conversation is gonna bring glory

1699
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:58,360
and honor to you, Jesus.

1700
01:18:58,360 --> 01:18:59,640
In your name we pray.

1701
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:00,480
Amen.

1702
01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:02,400
Amen, thank you, Jesus.

1703
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:04,880
All right, I'm gonna let you go with it.

1704
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:25,560
All right.

1705
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:27,280
Thank you, Jesus.

1706
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:28,760
Thank you, Jesus.

1707
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:30,160
Pastor Henry Schieffer.

1708
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:31,480
Blow it up.

1709
01:19:31,480 --> 01:19:34,400
Thank you so much for taking the time

1710
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:37,480
to share with us, to share with me

1711
01:19:37,480 --> 01:19:39,000
your journey with the Lord

1712
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:41,720
and just the things that he's imparted in you

1713
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:46,720
about deliverance and just the supernatural stories

1714
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:48,240
that you've told.

1715
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:50,920
Those are building my faith for sure.

1716
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:51,760
Amen.

1717
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:52,960
And I know it's-

1718
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:53,880
Can I share something?

1719
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:55,640
I don't know, you can cut it off anytime you want,

1720
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:56,560
but here's the thing.

1721
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:58,880
I've got, out of all the years,

1722
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,640
I did, I do instrument electrical work,

1723
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:04,440
working with engineers,

1724
01:20:04,440 --> 01:20:08,320
and I do training here, deliverance training,

1725
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:10,400
and I got my first book coming out.

1726
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:13,320
It's actually went to publishers yesterday.

1727
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:15,520
God had to beat me up

1728
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:18,480
and tell me to go ahead and send that thing in.

1729
01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:19,880
Yet it'd be armed and dangerous.

1730
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:22,640
It'd be on Amazon by Henry Schieffer.

1731
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:25,600
It's a deliverance and spiritual warfare manual.

1732
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:29,160
It has keys in there that the Lord showed me.

1733
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:32,440
I teach what the Lord showed me

1734
01:20:32,440 --> 01:20:34,400
and people, I'll tell you what they do.

1735
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:37,520
They listen at the technique

1736
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:39,080
in which the Lord has shown me

1737
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:40,600
how to take people through deliverance,

1738
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:43,280
and it works all the time, every time.

1739
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:44,640
And people come to get trained,

1740
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:45,800
and they come and they go,

1741
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:47,320
this is the answer, this is it.

1742
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:50,200
So it's a book well worth getting.

1743
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:54,640
But anyway, that's to come in the next few days

1744
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:55,920
it'll be out there.

1745
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:59,280
And then I think that's it, John.

1746
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:01,280
That's good, that's good.

1747
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,440
How do people get ahold of you?

1748
01:21:03,440 --> 01:21:06,040
How do they listen to your sermons or any social media?

1749
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:06,880
Very good.

1750
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:09,720
I did it real simple like this here.

1751
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:13,600
If they go to deliverancewithpastorhenry.com

1752
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:15,840
and they go to info links,

1753
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:18,960
on that page is every link they can get ahold of me.

1754
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:23,400
Deliverancewithpastorhenry.com

1755
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:27,760
and there's a link there, info link on the tab.

1756
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:30,200
And I have Facebook, YouTube, Rumble,

1757
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:32,040
everything in one place.

1758
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:34,320
Everything they wanna do in one place right there.

1759
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:36,360
But that's how they get ahold of us.

1760
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:38,360
But seek us out.

1761
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:40,040
We gotta get you to come, John,

1762
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:42,880
and do some things in the area as well.

1763
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:43,960
That would be great.

1764
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:45,840
Thank you for letting me do this.

1765
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:47,320
Thank you, thank you.

1766
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:48,720
Yes sir.

1767
01:21:48,720 --> 01:22:03,720
All right.