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I'm going to give America an opportunity to decide whether they want to accelerate World
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War III or delay World War III.
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But ultimately, World War III cannot be stopped.
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It can be accelerated or halted.
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Prophet Tommy, or I, it's great to have you back here to kind of do a prophetic update
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at the beginning of the year.
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You did an interview with me about what God was saying for the year 2024.
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And I must say that we are definitely seeing a lot of those things already coming to fruition.
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And it's only August at this point.
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And recently, you just released a word about the economy and the Dow.
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And that was just a few days ago.
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And as we're recording this, the Dow just had one of its biggest one day hits with more
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than dropping more than 1000 points in a day.
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So brother, what is it that God is saying?
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And tell us more about this word that you released.
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Sure.
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Well, thank you for having me.
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It's always good to be with you, John.
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On July 24, I was woken up at 718 a.m. and I saw this vision of men in the in the stock,
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what you call it, Wall Street, I guess.
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And they were yelling the Dow Jones, what happened to the Dow Jones?
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And it was as if overnight a thief had broken in and stolen.
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And all of a sudden, I saw that the Dow began to plummet.
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And listen, I have a twin brother who is very well versed in the stock exchange.
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In fact, that's his whole life.
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They're staring at that thing.
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I don't even know who calls it.
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He tried to teach me and the bull and the bear.
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He lost me on bull and bear.
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I just switched off.
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So I don't know what the Dow is.
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I don't know what the Dow Jones is.
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I've seen it on the news, but it's a language to me that it just sounds foreign.
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Very clear the Dow has fallen.
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And so I just decided I was doing an interview that day for a friend of mine called Elizabeth
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Teifuk, and I was doing it with another prophet, and the Lord just reminded me of that vision.
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He said, share it now.
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And I said, oh, I had a vision and I saw the Dow fall and people were just yelling the
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Dow has fallen, the Dow has fallen.
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And literally, I was with my spiritual son and he's here in the studio and a notification
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just came on my phone from, I think it was Fox News.
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And it says that they're panicking because the Dow has fallen.
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And these things, when people think that I'm not surprised when I hear these things, I'm
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surprised every single time.
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I'm like a child in the Lord every time he speaks.
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I feel like both the prophet and the recipient.
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And I just sit there and I go, oh my goodness, that was just a day before and then day after
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we see that.
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It was like a thief, just exactly like the Lord said it.
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We just suddenly hit a recession or we're coming into what looks like a recession.
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And that's what the Lord showed me.
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So brother, what do we do about this?
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Because I know that God doesn't just show us things for us to do nothing about it.
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Either it's a sign or a signal or there is opportunities for us to respond.
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I love that all throughout the Old Testament, like the prophet Jonah, he prophesied to Nineveh
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that God was going to destroy the city, but Nineveh then repented.
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And so there was an action, there was a response to that.
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Whenever you have this vision, this understanding, and you've had multiple dreams, you've had
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other things that the Lord has said, what do we do about this and how do we respond?
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Well, two things.
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First of all, I think that the mercy of God around the world is no longer serving the
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purpose for which it was intended.
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And I say that with the fear of the Lord.
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I was speaking to my spiritual mother on this just yesterday and she was talking about how
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she saw what happened in France when they had that Last Supper and they were basically
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profaning the name of the Lord and blasphemy.
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And she heard God say, I will not be mocked.
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Well, I heard God say, I've humbled bigger towers than the Eiffel Tower.
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And it reminded me of Babel.
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I mean, the fear of the Lord came over me.
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And again, I'm not saying anything about the Eiffel Tower, but I am saying that I believe
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Paris is going to go through a time of humbling for what they did because God will not be
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mocked.
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But one of the things I began to realize is that the mercy of God serves its purpose.
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It really does.
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It gives us permission to lean into grace, not permission to continue in sin.
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And when we find that it's leaning the other way, then God is obligated to release His
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judgment.
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The Bible says the anointing is to proclaim the favorable year of the Lord and the judgment
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of the Lord.
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So yes, we're proclaiming the grace and the year of His mercy, but now we're in the decade
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of His judgment.
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And the Bible says when my people see judgment, they'll learn righteousness.
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Nothing like September 11th to fill the church.
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Nothing like it to fill the church, you know?
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So when we see judgment, it forces us back into, oh my goodness, we've got to get back
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into alignment with God.
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So even in God's judgment, there's a purpose to it, and Lysand and Sapphira did not die
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for the sake of Lysand and Sapphira.
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They died for the sake of the fear of God coming back to the church.
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And the Bible says everybody feared and they dared not add themselves to the number such
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as shall be saved.
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So we are going to see God's judgment being released in the earth, John, but what I see
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is the church's responsibility can be found in Exodus chapter 10.
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The Bible talks about a darkness coming upon Egypt that could be felt.
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Isaiah 60 talks about this darkness again, saying darkness will cover the earth.
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It talks about the conditions that are the precursors to glory.
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And so when we see recession, of course, bad news, depending on whose side you're on.
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If you're sitting in the darkness, it's terrible news.
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But if you have an understanding of the glory of God, then you're actually positioned very
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well on the side of God's glory.
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And in Exodus chapter 10 and verse 21, he said, stretch out your hands over the land
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of Egypt.
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And there's going to be a darkness, a darkness which can even be felt, a demonic darkness,
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which I believe we're in right now.
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But then it says in verse 22, so most stretched out his hand toward heaven, and there was
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thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days.
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They did not see one another, nor did anyone rise from his place for three days.
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But all the children of Israel had light in their dwellings.
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I believe that it's a prophetic hour to build Goshen.
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They were in Goshen at that time.
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What is Goshen?
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Goshen is a place, supernatural, the mixture of supernatural supply and biblical wisdom.
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It's a place where the church begins to go.
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In Moses' day, they experienced the miracles in Goshen.
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In Joseph's day, they experienced the principles of Goshen.
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I believe it's two.
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In Moses' day, God preserved them in Goshen through signs and wonders and miracles.
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In Joseph's day, with Pharaoh, God preserved them through wisdom and biblical principles.
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I believe we're going to be supernatural provision and a mixture of that with biblical wisdom
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to achieve wealth that will lend to many nations and not borrow.
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Wow.
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So this is really encouraging, actually, the fact that there's darkness all around, but
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we don't have to be trapped in that darkness.
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This is actually an opportunity where, as you're talking about the children of Israel,
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when they ended up leaving Egypt, they took with them the wealth of the Egyptians.
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Even though there's dark times and there's difficult times, God will use that to fund
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ministry to fund His people in powerful ways if we're paying attention, if we're doing
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the things that He's called us to do.
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How do we hear those things that God is calling us to do in those moments?
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Because I know it's not just one strategy.
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There's going to be, God's speaking to a lot of different people.
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How are you equipping people to be ready for these new strategies?
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Well, interestingly, depending on what side of the body of Christ you sit on, to some
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people I'm a great blessing in terms of the prophetic insights that the Lord gives me.
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And I'm grateful for programs like yours that give platform to the word of the Lord.
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And then on some, I'm the worst thing that can ever happen because it flies in the face
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of cessationism and the adoption of that, which is becoming more and more popularized
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in our generation, sadly.
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And so I'd like to say on both sides, I hear both arguments very well.
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I hear the argument that receives the prophets and I hear the argument that rejects it.
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And on the side of the argument that receives it, they understand that the prophets are
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vital, necessary to the advancement of the church.
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Trust in the Lord your God and trust His prophets and prosper.
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So I believe that.
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But on the other side, I believe if we can get past the religiousness of stick to the
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Bible, don't believe in these prophets, prophets died in the Old Testament, we don't need them
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anymore, we need the scripture, Jesus is our final prophet.
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On that other side, I hear the fear of the extreme of becoming people's prophetic guru.
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And I reached a message once, I'm not your guru, because I don't believe that the prophets
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are supposed to be the gurus of the people.
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I believe the prophets, a pastor should equip the church to be pastoral, a prophet should
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equip the church to be prophetic.
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That means every person, according to John 10, 27, can hear God's voice.
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In fact, the New Testament is the democratization of the prophetic.
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That's what it is.
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I'll pour out my spirit on all flesh.
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And even he even made a point to say even the handmaidens, which we don't have anymore
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in America, I know that, but at least in Africa and Asian countries, we can understand what
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a house help is or how stop is.
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Even the handmaidens like the house helps to get a prophesied.
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So we see this massive democratization of the prophetic in the New Testament that doesn't
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mean we don't have office prophets anymore.
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But it means that if you want to know how to thrive in this season, you won't be able
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to thrive unless you hear the voice of God.
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Man does not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.
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And so we need to not just hear the prophets speak, we need to become the prophetic people.
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Amen.
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That's so good.
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You mentioned cessationism becoming something that's kind of more mainstream now.
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But one of the reasons that I believe that that is happening is because there's on the
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other side, sensationalism when it comes to the spiritual gifts.
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So you have cessationists and cessationists.
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So how do we, the people of God, walk in that middle place where we're not weird, and we're
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not denying the power of God?
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Well, I actually believe another big reason for the phenomenon is the social media phenomenon
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of exposing people.
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You go viral for exposure.
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They say, exposing, tell me a rhyming.
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Be sure that video is going to get views, right?
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And that's part of the sensationalism of the cessationism movement.
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That's their own sensationalism.
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But whether we like it or not, we need each other.
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Whether you like it or not, you actually need the Pharisees.
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You need the Sadducees.
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They serve their purpose because they keep you balanced because you say, how do you draw
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that balance?
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Prophets are extreme.
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I mean, you look through the scripture, you're not going to find a prophet who was sensible.
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They ate from feces.
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They walked around naked.
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They lay on one half side of their body for a number of days.
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And some of them asked people to strike them just so they can appear like they'd been wounded
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in battle.
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I mean, it's the nature of prophets to be extreme, and that's why God has a fivefold
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because we are a check and a balance to each other so that we don't go into the extremes.
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The past is extreme is hypergrace.
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The evangelist extreme is so willing but not so grounding.
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The prophet's extreme is rebuke and tearing down and overthrowing, but never really building
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or planting anything.
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The apostles extreme is every week they have a new vision, but nothing ever gets to be
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established long enough before they're pioneering something else.
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And so it's necessary that if you want balance, we have to almost be willing to engage those
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people who have the other extremes that we don't have.
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Wow.
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I always love talking to you because you have such wisdom on the spiritual things, on the
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fivefold ministry.
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I love how you just explained the tension between the different offices.
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There's a lot that we can learn with that.
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I'm sure we can, we might have to spend a whole nother session going deeper about that
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as well.
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But I know God's been speaking to you prophetically in dreams and our world today is, well, let's
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just be honest.
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There is a political season right now and there's a lot of confusion.
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In 2020, there was a lot of confusion because people were giving prophetic words that Donald
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Trump was going to become the president.
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And that didn't happen the way that they were saying.
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And some people have repented.
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Some people have said, I was adding on to what God was saying.
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Some people have said, no, this is what God said and they're still not backing down.
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And it's almost four years later.
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Brother, how do we deal with this, with kind of the, I'm just going to say it, the abuse
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of the prophetic office?
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How do we restore that?
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How do we be a part of that?
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And I mean, we're going into a political season.
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Help us understand what God is saying.
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I think prophets for so long have been measured by whether or not they can predict the right
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president during an election cycle.
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But we've lost sight of what the measurement of the prophetic was.
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The truth prophetic power and grace spoke truth to power and was actually a shadow government
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in the earth.
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Before there were kings, there were prophets.
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Before there were governors, there were prophets.
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And the prophets were there to tell natural governments when they were in line or when
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they were out of line.
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I was reading the story of, I think it was Ahidja, Solomon's brother, if I'm correct,
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in his name, maybe I messed that up, but I think his name was Ahidja, and how he made
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himself king and then later held hold of the horns of the temple in fear and Solomon said,
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I won't kill you.
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Then he wanted to marry Abishag, David's concubine that took care of him on his death.
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And he made this statement.
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He said, you know that I won the favor of the people and I was meant to be king, but
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God chose Solomon.
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And you realize actually, do prophets miss it?
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What if Solomon is meant to be king, but we're all having a coronation for the one that stood
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himself forward?
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And then if that's the case, then should prophets even be speaking into those things or should
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prophets be declaring God's will and let the people declare God's outcome?
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The church, the people of God, I believe this is so to be true.
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The Bible says forever, oh Lord, your word is settled in heaven.
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I heard preachers preach that message and they say, forever, oh God, your word is settled.
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They tell people, tell them the word is settled.
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That's not what it said.
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It's settled in heaven.
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That means in heaven, you can be healed and on earth, you can be sick.
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In heaven, you can be prosperous and on earth, you can be poor.
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The word is settled in heaven, but it's always unsettled on earth.
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And so prophets tell you settled matters in heaven.
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The church is meant to pray, let your kingdom come, let your will be done in earth as it
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is in heaven.
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So even if a matter is settled in heaven, doesn't mean it's settled on earth.
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I'll give you an analogy that I use for our church.
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I said to them, imagine getting a court document to remove a squatter.
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I've never seen so many squatters' rights in America.
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To remove a squatter from one of our properties was a nightmare.
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To remove a squatter from your property, you have to go get a court document stating that
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you can serve the squatter an eviction notice.
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So you go get the document and you serve it to the squatter.
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And the squatter still refuses to move.
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Does that mean that the court document was wrong?
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No, the court document was called prophecy.
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What was the church supposed to be?
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You need to call the enforcer.
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The court is the legislator.
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They're not the enforcer.
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It's the church that prays, that are the enforcers of what God said.
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And so we have this sovereignitis in the church where we think because the prophet said it,
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it's going to happen.
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If it's going to happen, why did Paul say, by prophecy, wage a good warfare?
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That means there's something on the earth that does not want something in the heavens
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to be a done deal.
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It wants to fight it.
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That means if Solomon's going to be king, we're going to make sure Abbeathur's king.
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And David is going to keep his kingdom as prophesy.
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We're going to raise up an Absalom who's pretty.
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The Bible says he was handsome, everything aesthetically that that kingdom would want.
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And we're going to make him the front man.
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And he's going to write 50 serpents of chariots, 50 chariots, and he's going to go to all the
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provinces and proclaim himself as king.
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The scripture says this, they set up kings, but not by me.
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The scripture says that the nation will remain unsettled until him to whom the crown was
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meant shall fall upon him.
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Think about this.
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It's possible to set up kings, but not by God.
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So were the prophets wrong or did we set up kings?
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Did we set up who we wanted to win?
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Are we the ones choosing our Absaloms?
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What is the spirit of Absalom?
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Really it's the spirit of beauty.
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Absalom is the aesthetic cosmetic that everybody will want to vote for.
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He's the stealer of hearts, not the prophetic counsel of God.
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America's doing the same thing.
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America is guilty of voting based on cosmetics.
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We want a woman.
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America cares more about making history at this point than they care about making heaven.
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At this point, America has this disease of we want a black person, we want a woman, we
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want this instead of, hey, have we checked what the policies of these people are?
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Have we checked if they align with the scripture?
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And the spirit of God said to me to tell America, in your next elections, you don't need a president.
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You need a commander in chief.
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For where America is going, a president will not suffice.
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You need a commander in chief.
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Wow.
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So I guess presiding is different than commanding.
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Absolutely.
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In a big way.
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Absolutely.
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I really appreciate how you just explained that and going back to the Old Testament of
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how people proclaim themselves king outside of God's desire, outside of God's purpose
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and will.
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And we need to constantly be making sure that we are aligning with God's will, with God's
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word, with his declaration that goes forth.
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So are you saying that this, what we've gone through in the last four years was judgment
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for us not lining up with God's will and we're at another decision point right now?
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Help me understand that.
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I'm going to be bold enough on this program to say for the first time, yes, I believe
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America made a detour choice.
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And I believe it had to.
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I believe God gives nations what they deserve, not what he's reserved.
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He has reserved a person, but then he says, judging by the way the nation is going, I'm
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going to give the nation what it deserves.
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Look at what happened during 2020.
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I want us to just go back and reflect a little bit.
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We saw, first of all, a movement called Black Lives Matter, which right from the beginning,
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I was very clear and I didn't mince my words, as a black man, and I've called Uncle Tom
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for this, that this is not Black Lives Matter.
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This is Black Magic Matter.
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There's something demonic about this movement and the church needs to open its eyes to see.
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Flash forward, we later find out that there were three transgender witches who wanted
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to end the nuclear hole, who worshiped a Yoruba god.
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Yoruba is my tribe in Nigeria and they worship the same god.
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In fact, there's a video of the founder, Patrice Cullors, talking about that Yoruba deity
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and how she pours libation in the water to that deity.
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It's a water spirit.
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It's called the Marine Goddess and she pours libation.
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Anytime you say the name of the dead, you invoke the spirits of the dead to wreak havoc
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upon America.
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They said, and I quoting their words, it's more than just a hashtag, we are invoking
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the spirits of the dead every time we post, say his name, we're invoking the dead to
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rise up again.
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So America, during 2020, was caught up in witchcraft, was caught up in idolatry, was
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choosing, and the majority of the American church did not come to celebrate at the ending
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of Roe versus Wade.
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In fact, we saw a huge swallow, unfortunately, by large of the African American church, sadly,
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choose to be angry and some still are furious about the ending of Roe versus Wade.
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And so how can one prophesy into a double-minded nation that's so unstable that it doesn't
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even know what the Bible says, it's politicizing sin, it's turning sin into a political issue?
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And then we have this group of prophets who, for all intents and purposes, forgive me for
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saying this, a large majority of them saw the opportunities to go viral and to be sensationalists
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as they could, that we started calling out names instead of calling out sin.
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And we opted for the popular route of, let me call out the name of this new president
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instead of the more obvious thing that prophets are called to do, which is say to things that
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make it as killed.
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You know, I was arrested in Nigeria for prophesying truth to power.
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And you know that story.
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I believe that's what prophets are, not your name is John and I see a new car, a Rolls-Royce
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coming in your future.
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You can get that from a soothsayer and a necromancer.
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The job of the prophets is to bring the nation back to righteousness.
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That's our job, to tear down.
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What are we tearing down?
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We're not being destructive.
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We're being disruptive for the sake of realignment with God's will.
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We're saying the baby's ugly.
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We're saying the thing everybody calls beautiful.
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And you're like, hey, what do you think, prophet?
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And prophet looks at you and goes, that's an ugly baby.
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I don't know if you've noticed, but that baby's wearing makeup.
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You just rip that makeup off.
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But everybody wants to pretend like the emperor's wearing clothes.
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Even the church wants to pretend that the emperor's wearing clothes.
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I watched the CNN debates.
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I didn't need to be a prophet to know that that man was not in his right mind.
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I didn't need to be a prophet.
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But it's like all of a sudden, it's like we're just, oh, Biden may be in cognitive decline.
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They could see that from Russia.
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They could see that from far away.
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But we were propping up this failing man, weak man, who, by the way, in the last four
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years, 64% of all the money printed in America was printed under his administration.
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Just to tell you what has caused this, in case they say it's Russia-Ukraine war, nothing
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to do with that.
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It turns out when you print money, money becomes valueless.
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And so you don't need a prophet to see some of the things that are happening.
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But it's like we see it.
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And we're just like, we're happy with the direction the nation is going in.
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And I don't mean to lean into political slump.
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But I remember when Biden won, I just remember the Lord saying, tell them you have nine years
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left.
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And I just felt like things were just going to move so quickly that we weren't going to
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be able to catch up with what God was doing.
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And in those nine years, I saw nine years to Bill Goshen, nine years before money as
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we know it changes forever, nine years before we hit a recession, I saw a new Supreme Court
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justice is being appointed.
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I shared these things.
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I shared 12 prophetic things for the United States of America.
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Sorry, 18.
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I didn't mince any of my words.
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I said in one of the meeting, I said I saw Donald Trump being assassinated and pray that
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he's not assassinated.
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18 landmarks, all 18 of them have happened.
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All 18 have happened.
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Now why am I saying this?
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Well, because God allows prophets to tell the future so that prophets have influence
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to tell people if that what God's saying about the future, imagine what he's saying about
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there now.
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If God cares so much about your future, he cares much more about your present, by the
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way, and what you're doing right now.
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And he's calling the nation back to repentance.
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We don't need to be, we're not blind to see when President Biden starts inviting transgenders
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to the White House, or Kamala Harris starts inviting black rappers to twerk on the stage
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to bring up numbers.
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We're in an era where we are turning the White House into a prostitution ring for votes.
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And that's not God.
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We've got to get back on our face.
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Wow.
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So rather, you said that God gave you a word that America has nine years left.
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When did that word happen?
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And where does that put us to?
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Where does that nine years land?
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So that would happen at 2021.
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It lands at 2030.
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So the Lord first gave me the word in 2021.
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He said, tell them you have nine years left and nine years will feel like nine months,
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nine months will feel like nine days and nine days will feel like nine minutes, nine seconds.
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Then there's this news article that came out, like it just clockwork.
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The world is spinning faster than the normal.
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Scientists are baffled as to why the earth is spinning faster than normal and time seems
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to be speeding up.
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I believe it was a prophetic sign.
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And then John Kerry came out in this paper article almost a few weeks after saying, tell
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the world you have nine years left to fix the economic crisis.
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I believe the world is going to plan a new economic reset.
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I believe they know the dollar's failing.
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I believe many leaders are repositioning themselves around a new form of governance and a new
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form of currency.
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I actually believe that they're positioning the leaders of this new front to be China,
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to be Russia, I believe to be some of the Middle Eastern nations.
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I believe we're going to see Saudi Arabia take a new front in leading the world stage
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in the future.
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I believe we're going to see that come very strongly, even in terms of Saudi Arabia trying
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to broker peace and rise up as the Middle Eastern peace.
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I believe they're going to be one of the successful nations that are going to reunify the peace
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accords.
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I literally heard the Lord say, if the nation votes Kamala, you'll see the peace discord.
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If you vote Trump, you will see the peace accord, because the Lord says, I'm going to
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give America an opportunity to decide whether they want to accelerate World War III or delay
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World War III.
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But ultimately, World War III cannot be stopped.
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It can be accelerated or halted.
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And I actually see that by 2030, we're going to see a total reset if the church doesn't
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take back its authority to own the land.
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Back in the day, the church used to own land.
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The church used to own Hollywood.
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Long before we had secular infiltration in our movies, Hollywood was owned by the church.
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Harvard was owned by the church.
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Many of our universities and colleges, Oxford was owned by the church.
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We gave away our territory.
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And now I believe God wants us to reclaim it.
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Amen.
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Amen, brother.
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We're going to have to do another session.
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I always get so much out of talking with you.
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Would you pray for the people that have been listening this far and just share whatever
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that is that the Lord has put on your heart for them, that they would be able to be part
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of that Goshen, that they would be the ones that would be able to do what God's called
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us to do?
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Yes, sir.
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I have a heart for you that are watching from all over the US.
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And this is my appeal to you.
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Do not choose the superficial over the supernatural.
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Do not be more intent on making history than you are on making heaven.
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There's something God is calling America to still do in the earth, to halt something that
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the enemy is trying to accelerate.
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America, you stand as the last place of freedom in the world.
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And it is my prayer that you choose policy over skin color, that God will give you wisdom
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to see, eyes to see, ears to hear, and a heart to understand.
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Father, in the name of Jesus, I pray for everyone watching right now.
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Lord, there's so much contention and division in the US that Elijah the prophet said, how
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long will you hover or falter between two opinions?
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Father, I break right now every assignment of the enemy to bring blindness over the eyes
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of your people.
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I command their eyes to be open, their ears to be open now.
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Father, release the spirit of grace and supplication upon this nation that we may look upon him
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whom we have pierced, that we may look upon Jesus again and not look upon leaders of this
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world to bring about our change.
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Cause your people to build Goshen.
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Father, you empowered hundreds of thousands, if not millions of slaves to gain the wealth
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of an entire superpower.
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You've done it before.
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Lord, we pray, do it again.
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Empower your church to operate in a new season of wealth that we can lend to many nations
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and not borrow.
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In Jesus' name, amen.
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Amen, prophet, tell me, thank you so much for being with us today here on Charisma.
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Thank you.