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It's like turning up the volume.
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Like he really wants you to be bothered by the dream.
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So you seek the interpretation.
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So nightmares are usually pretty easy to interpret
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because they're made to be interpreted specifically.
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The Bible is full of dreams and dream interpretation.
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And as you're reading through the Bible,
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you come across some of my favorite characters in the Bible.
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And these aren't just characters, these are real people.
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People like Daniel and Joseph,
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people that God used to interpret dreams
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that changed a nation.
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And you might be thinking that a dream that you had
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is just because of the weird pizza that you ate,
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but God is speaking through you.
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And my guest today says that all dreams come from God.
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And so John Redenbow of Dream Life Decoded
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and Spiritual Intelligence,
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it's great to have you here on Charisma News.
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Hey John, it's great to be here.
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Thanks so much for having me on.
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So you say that all dreams come from God.
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And so I just wanna start with that
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because that is a big issue
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because I know a lot of times people say,
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well, that was just a pizza dream
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or something that I ate caused this dream to happen
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or a nightmare.
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How can a nightmare come from God?
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I've had dreams where I'm flying or doing other things
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that definitely seemed like it was from God,
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but all dreams come from God.
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Let's talk about this.
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You know, this is something I'm super passionate about
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and I don't get asked about it as often as I'd like
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because it's very, very highly controversial.
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And the reason is, is because there's people
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that have taught for years and years and years
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that there's demonic dreams, soul dreams, God dreams.
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So I believe that and I had no problem with that
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until one day I'm in the middle of interpreting a dream
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for an executive from Facebook
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and there's a riddle in the dream
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and we're not getting it and we're not understanding it.
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And this dream was about a relationship.
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She thought she was gonna potentially marry this guy
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and right after she has this dream,
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the guy ghosts her, never talks to her again.
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This is like 10 months later
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and we're trying to figure it out,
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but it's obviously bringing up a level of pain in her heart.
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And she says this, she goes, you know what, I hate dreams.
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I wish I would never dream again.
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And at that moment, I felt like the Holy Spirit
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got sucker punched right in the gut.
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It was just like this, oh,
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and I just felt like he was grieved, but I've been there.
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I've been in that situation where I've had dreams
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about somebody in a relationship
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where I thought God was saying that maybe this was the one
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and then they married somebody else.
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And so I've threw all my dreams and dream journals
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in the shoe box in the back of the closet
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and said this dream thing is whacked.
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Why would anybody be looking at dreams
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or anything practical in their life?
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It took like two years off.
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This was like 17 or 18 years ago.
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But so I understood what she was saying.
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But right at that moment,
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I just really felt the presence of God
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and I heard not audibly, but pretty loud,
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just in my spirit, I heard,
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arise my darling, my beautiful one and come along
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for behold, the winter is past.
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The rain is over and gone.
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The flowers have appeared.
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The time of singing has come.
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And I'm like, what the heck?
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This song of Solomon, I think it's 210,
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have anything to do with the fact
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that this lady doesn't wanna dream anymore?
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I just thought it was so random,
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but it was clearly wasn't from me.
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And then I heard the question, who do you say arise to?
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I'm like, well, somebody that's laying down,
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somebody that's sleeping.
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And then he said, dreams are the love language
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of God to his children.
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Wow.
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Now I wish I would have done that.
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I wish I would have taken a moment to like say la
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and be like, wow, that's deep.
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That's profound.
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I've never heard that.
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But instead, John, I jumped in and immediately argued,
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well, I've always heard that there's demonic dreams,
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soul dreams and God dreams.
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And his only response was like,
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yeah, you should probably look that up.
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And so for the next like two years,
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I started looking up every dream in the Bible,
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every verse on dreams.
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And there's a lot of dreams in the Bible.
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There's a lot of dreams in the Bible.
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More than we realize.
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Yeah.
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And Old Testament, New Testament, men, women, kids,
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like kings, regular people, carpenters,
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the governor's wife, I mean, it's crazy stuff.
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And so I got tired of looking them all up.
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And so I cut and pasted the story, the dream,
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the interpretation, what happened after into
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what we now call the ebook,
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because we just give it away for free,
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into like a Word document that's like 27 pages.
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And then I print it out and I take it with me
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like on airplanes and I would just read
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over and over and over again,
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all the dreams in the Bible, all the verses on dreams.
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And you know what I found?
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There's zero demonic dreams.
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In fact, there's zero actual theological basis.
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To the point that I now believe
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that the devil doesn't even have the technology
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to read our minds, let alone to create a movie,
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crawl into our head at night and make us see
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in our unconscious mind while we're sleeping
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what he wants us to see.
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And if he did, wouldn't we all be like watching
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Freddy Krueger on reprieve every single night?
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We'd never get sleep.
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Right?
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Well, okay, maybe the demonic.
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Now there were people that were terrified in the Bible.
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Like I'm gonna kill people if they don't tell me
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what my dream means.
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Kind of terrifying.
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Oh yeah, yeah.
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You know, like Nebuchadnezzar.
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Right.
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But those dreams were 100% from God.
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That's true.
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And so I'm like, man.
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So I, well, what about soul dreams?
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I found a verse in Ecclesiastes.
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When the mind is troubled, dreams come.
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I'm like, aha, this is it.
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I got you, God.
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I got you on this one.
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You know, if I have a bad day at work
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and I come home thinking about work
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and I go to bed thinking about work
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and I dream about work,
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it's because that's where my mind is.
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And he just laughed at me, chuckled.
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And he's like, son, when do you need for me
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to speak to you more than when your mind is troubled?
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And I was like, oh man, I thought I had him.
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And there's a couple of verses where people are like,
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what about the verse that says these dreams
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that they made you dream or that they caused you to dream
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or what about false dreams
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or what about, you know,
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and so when I first started teaching dreams,
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we went into this thing where we did the dreams
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through the Bible study series where it's,
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and it's on my YouTube page, it's free.
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It's 20 to one hour Bible studies about every single dream
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and every verse on dreams in all of scripture.
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It's the most comprehensive biblical study.
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And I didn't wanna do it.
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I thought, surely people who have been teaching dreams
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for years, they would have had
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a really comprehensive biblical.
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I just wanna look that up and refer people to that.
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And John, I couldn't find it anywhere.
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And so I felt like God said, you do it.
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So that was the first part.
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That was like the first two years after that.
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I find that that's what God does a lot.
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If we can't find what we're looking for,
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God said, God wants us to do it.
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Yeah. Right.
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Yeah. Wow.
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So let, I just wanna interject here.
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You know, I've seen a lot of books
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and I have several of them that are dream dictionaries.
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And you know, it's, there's topics and themes
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and things like that.
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And sometimes those are helpful,
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but what's your take on some of these things
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and how do we, do we use those as tools or, you know,
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what is a dream dictionary then?
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Here's the problem with dream dictionaries
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is by what I've seen,
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and you have to have a different mindset
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that I think people have taught
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in past seasons about dreams.
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We view dreams, and that's why I don't call it
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dream interpretation.
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I change the name to spiritual intelligence
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because we view dreams as intelligence.
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And when you do, you have to ask,
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cause people ask me all the time,
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why doesn't God just tell me what he wants to tell me?
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Why do I have this crazy dream about my dead mother-in-law
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and about this car driving down a freeway,
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50 miles up in the air,
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and I feel like I'm gonna fall off the bridge.
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And what is that about?
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You know, and it's, it's because you remember it,
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but it's also because the message is encrypted.
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It's eyes only.
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When you send a message as a warfare commander,
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the commander of the allied forces, you know,
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back to Roosevelt, you know,
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Ike to Roosevelt in World War II,
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they encrypt that for a reason,
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because they only want eyes only people to read it.
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And so when you start realizing
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God is giving you a message that is not hackable,
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that the enemy can't see at all,
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and the enemy couldn't read it
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if he could tap into your mind and read your mind.
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And so if you understand the weight
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of the importance of why God would encrypt a message
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directly to you,
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then you start wanting to write all your dreams down.
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You know, because as soon as I,
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I started studying scripture about this stuff,
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the next thing I did was, can I prove this wrong?
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And so whenever I'd have a dream conversation,
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like when you and I first met,
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we talked dreams right away, which, you know,
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I'm introduced a lot of times as kind of the dream guy,
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you know, and that's fine.
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But when people would say, hey, I got a dream.
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I want to tell you, I've said, don't tell me your dream.
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Tell me the worst nightmare you've ever had in life.
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Because I'm like, I'm going to find the nightmare
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that didn't come from God.
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I'm going to find the nightmare where somebody has PTSD
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or they're so traumatized,
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or the enemy is bothering them
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with these demonic forces at night.
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And then I'm going to be able to say, aha, see, here it is.
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In 17 years of doing this,
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of doing really focusing on my dreams
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and doing dream interpretation,
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I have never found one dream.
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Now I found false dreams where people have said,
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I had a dream.
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And then I'm like, no, you didn't have that dream.
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You said that dream to try to manipulate your way
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into a place of favor, because that's not how God talks.
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Really?
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I've had those, they're rare, but I've never had one.
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And especially nightmares, because nightmares, John,
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it's like turning up the volume.
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Like he really wants you to be bothered by the dream.
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So you seek the interpretation.
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So nightmares are usually pretty easy to interpret
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because they're made to be interpreted specifically.
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Nightmares are made to be interpreted.
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Okay.
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So is it because of the traumatic side of things with that,
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that it's made to be interpreted?
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Well, God has a sense of humor.
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And the thing is, is unfortunately,
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because there's been, and I wanna tread carefully
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because at first I didn't realize,
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I thought that there were three sources of dreams.
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There's a lot of incredibly great men and women
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that are still teaching that, that have taught that.
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If they haven't gotten that revelation,
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I would like to challenge them with the journey that I had,
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because I didn't believe it,
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because I've heard these other things.
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And so I was blowing off the majority of my dream life
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because somebody else, not myself, had told me,
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well, there's demonic dreams and soul dreams.
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Nobody can prove that to me.
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I've had a lot of heavy duty conversations with people
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and I'm like, well, what about this?
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Well, that's not what it says.
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It doesn't say the source of the dream was the devil.
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There's no place in scripture that even alludes to the fact
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that maybe he has the ability to do us that.
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I mean, people go back into the garden,
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into Jesus was led into the wilderness
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and the devil took him up on a mountain
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and showed him all the kingdoms of the universe.
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There's no way he could do that literally.
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So he must have given him a vision,
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which is very much like a dream.
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So the devil can give you a dream.
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That's weak as heck.
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The point is we may not understand that verse,
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but it doesn't mean that the enemy can give us dreams.
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But this is one of the most damaging teachings,
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unfortunately, in the dream world.
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And it's just from a place of probably not verifying
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if this is real or not.
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And what I tell people is, look,
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it took me four years to make the jump
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to say all dreams come from God.
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So nobody's fought against it harder than me,
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but do this.
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If you have a dream where you're 100% this terrified me,
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God would not want me to be terrified.
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Write it down anyway and seek an interpretation,
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because just assume that you don't know
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if it's from God or not.
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People are like, no, I know.
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God would never make me feel that way.
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Okay, so it's all soul level.
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It's all about how you feel.
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Because we can prove that wrong with scripture all day long,
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because you know very well.
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Yeah, I wonder, I think that thought probably comes
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from the fact that whenever people are learning
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how to hear the voice of the Lord,
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we know that there's, the devil will whisper to us
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and try to convince us of things.
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We hear the devil's voice.
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We have our own flesh voice,
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and then we have God's voice.
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The devil doesn't like us.
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He is gonna put us down.
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He's gonna steal, kill, and destroy our flesh.
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Pretty much the same thing, but it's also very selfish.
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But whenever God's speaking, there's normally peace.
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There's love.
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There's vision.
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There is purpose with that.
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And so it's probably easy to then take
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that same thought process to the dream world
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and say it's either the devil, your soul,
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or God that can be speaking.
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So I could see how people would make that connection
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and how that would just be easy to accept.
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But with you saying all dreams come from God
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and with biblical resources or biblical sources
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that you've just laid out and from your own experience
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and your four-year battle with this,
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that's really, really interesting
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to kind of help us break this down.
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I wanna share a nightmare with you,
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if you're okay with that.
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Absolutely.
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I'm sure you are.
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And so this dream happened a few,
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probably about a month and a half ago.
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I don't remember what led up to it.
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I felt like scenes in a dream change quickly.
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And so it was one of those moments
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where I all of a sudden was in the hallway at work,
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we're actually just down the hall
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from where I'm at right now.
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And I turned, I heard this voice say,
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ask me, are you sure?
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And it was like this demonic voice.
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And I turned around and like from about a quarter
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of the way down the hall,
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so maybe 10, 15 or 10 feet away from me,
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there was this demonic figure
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that was like starting to reach to me.
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And I was kicking and I was kicking and screaming
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and trying to get away from it.
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I actually woke up kicking and screaming in my bed
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and my wife had to lay on me to calm me down.
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And so I just was like, okay,
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what was disappointing for me was that in my dream,
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the first thought wasn't speak the name of Jesus
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to that thing, because I have done that in dreams before.
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I've cast things out in the name of Jesus,
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but this didn't happen.
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It just like, I turned around and this thing was attacking me.
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It asked me, are you sure?
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And then it was basically, it was over like that.
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It was so fast and so quick.
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But I was terrified and I haven't had a lot of those
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in my life where I was literally kicking and screaming
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and my wife had to calm me down.
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So, but I don't know,
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what do you do with something like that?
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Well, there's a code in your dream.
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What actually was called an anagram
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that relates back to the first words
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that the deceiver ever used,
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which I find absolutely fascinating.
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But before I get to that, let me just say this.
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When people have a dream with a demonic entity in it,
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they say, I was attacked by a demon in my dream.
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You're right.
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But the devil didn't give you that dream
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and the demon didn't give you that dream.
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God gave you that dream.
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And here's why, because if you go to a hotel room
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and God forbid somebody was brutally murdered in that room
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and you don't bother to clean the room,
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you don't do spiritual warfare,
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you don't ask the presence of God to be with you
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and you go to sleep, you might have this dream
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of this demonic force or somebody dying
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or something like that.
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And what it is is it's God giving you the intelligence
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through your eye gate, through the seer gifting
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to show you what's happening in the room.
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And so there are people that,
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a lot of people would say this is a demonic dream.
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And I would agree that this is a dream
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about a demonic entity.
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But the way that I say it so people understand
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what I mean by all dreams come from God
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is in the movie theater of our dream life,
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only God has the keys to the projection room.
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So there's no question you were fighting
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a demonic influence in your dream.
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God was showing you that.
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So you're at work, place of employment, right?
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Your career path, hallway, you're in a place of transition.
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You're going from one place to another.
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So a lot of times transitions are places
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where we're aren't sure, we really don't,
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man, I don't know, do I make the leap?
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Do I apply for this job?
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Do a lateral move?
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Do I quit and go to another company?
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Do I, what am I doing?
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So there's a lot of uncertainty in a place of transition.
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And of course the enemy is gonna use that
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to the best of his ability.
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And he says, are you sure?
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Now for some reason God doesn't always-
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It was in a mocking tone too.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Almost like saying, you're not sure,
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but he's not telling you that he's just asking a question
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because question seems helpful and harmless
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more than saying, you're an idiot.
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You don't know what to do.
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It's like, are you sure?
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So sometimes God will be like, look at the words.
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And the first thing that I realized of the words
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is they all start with A-Y-S.
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A-Y-S.
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So if you change the letters around,
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which is an anagram into S-A-Y, it's say.
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Okay.
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So the serpent appears to even the garden
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and says four words, did God really say?
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And so he took the last word, made it into an anagram
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and made it into a question for you
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because it would be conversationally awkward
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in the situation of your dream
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for him to say, did God really say?
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But this is exactly the same MO, even the same words
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in an anagram that the devil used to create
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the fall of mankind, facilitate the fall of mankind.
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Did God really say, are you sure?
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He wasn't lying to you.
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He was placing doubt.
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And then you're facing this thing
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and then it runs towards you, is that what happens?
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Yeah, yeah.
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And just starts attacking you, right?
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So what this is, is it's the,
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and many of us have had this,
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like when you're right at a place
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where you're about to move to another city
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or you're about to buy that house
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or you're getting ready to ask a girl to marry you, right?
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Or you're gonna start a company,
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you're in that place of extreme transition.
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And all of a sudden you're like, oh my gosh,
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what if this is the wrong thing?
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You're like, can I pull my offer on the house?
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Can we not move?
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Can I get my old job back?
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Like there's that moment of like,
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what if this stepping out in faith is wrong?
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I'm headed the wrong way in this transition.
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Can I backpedal?
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And that's when it's like, are you sure?
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Nobody's ever sure a transition.
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That's the lie.
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The lie is you can't answer that most people.
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Yep, I'm 100% sure that in this transition of my life,
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everything's gonna be fine and it's gonna work out.
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The only way you can say that is through the eyes of faith.
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Most people, if they're honest in a transition,
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they don't feel that way.
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They feel a little unsettled
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and they can't wait until they move
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and they get to the new city or they get to the new job
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and they find out everything works out
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and not only is it okay, but God led them there
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and it's better than they thought.
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But when they're getting in the car with a U-Haul packed,
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quit the job, moving to a new place,
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they're like, man, I sure hope this works.
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And so it's at that moment that invites
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those overwhelming feelings of what if I screw this up?
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What if this is wrong?
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I'm not sure.
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I think my dad asked me the morning that I was,
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yeah, a lot of dads do, right?
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The morning you're going to get married, are you sure?
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You know?
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And it's like, I'm sure we got about 500 people
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showing up at the church in three hours.
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I'm like, I don't know, I've never been married.
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Like, what are you, you know, come on.
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But not to equate my dad to the enemy at all.
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I've been saying, when somebody's in extreme transition,
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probably don't offer the option of doubt.
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Offer the option of surety.
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But that's where the enemy can come in,
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is he can just ask questions that create doubt.
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And doubt, because doubt, what is doubt?
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Doubt is thinking negatively or questioning your decisions,
525
00:21:50,300 --> 00:21:53,460
thinking negatively, negative scenarios about the future.
526
00:21:53,460 --> 00:21:55,820
It's literally the opposite of faith.
527
00:21:55,820 --> 00:21:58,540
And when you're in a place of extreme transition,
528
00:21:58,540 --> 00:22:01,060
you can literally, people have had panic attacks
529
00:22:01,060 --> 00:22:04,180
thinking about the future and how they think it's gonna be.
530
00:22:04,180 --> 00:22:05,300
And it's never that bad.
531
00:22:05,300 --> 00:22:07,340
I mean, they say one of the worst fears
532
00:22:07,340 --> 00:22:09,980
that anybody can have ever, for a lot of people,
533
00:22:09,980 --> 00:22:11,260
it's worse than the fear of death,
534
00:22:11,260 --> 00:22:13,700
is the fear of public speaking.
535
00:22:13,700 --> 00:22:15,500
Because they're sitting on the side of the stage
536
00:22:15,500 --> 00:22:18,460
thinking I'm about to walk out with the lights and cameras
537
00:22:18,460 --> 00:22:20,620
and 3,000 people or whatever it is.
538
00:22:20,620 --> 00:22:24,140
And what if I forget my lines or I don't remember what to say
539
00:22:24,140 --> 00:22:29,140
or I get lost and I look foolish and I feel ashamed?
540
00:22:29,140 --> 00:22:33,140
And for many hundreds of thousands of people,
541
00:22:33,140 --> 00:22:37,020
they'll never get on a stage because they're not sure
542
00:22:37,020 --> 00:22:38,820
that when they do, it'll be okay.
543
00:22:38,820 --> 00:22:40,620
That's really interesting.
544
00:22:40,620 --> 00:22:44,140
Yeah, that does, that whole question of are you sure
545
00:22:44,140 --> 00:22:49,140
does resonate with the, going back to what the devil
546
00:22:49,140 --> 00:22:51,700
first said to Eve, did God really say?
547
00:22:51,700 --> 00:22:56,220
And I don't feel, I mean, I guess I am
548
00:22:56,220 --> 00:22:57,740
in a season of transition.
549
00:22:57,740 --> 00:23:00,380
I just got married less than a year ago.
550
00:23:00,380 --> 00:23:05,380
The company here, we're moving buildings very, very shortly.
551
00:23:05,380 --> 00:23:08,980
There is some transition, but I'm not planning
552
00:23:08,980 --> 00:23:12,260
on leaving charisma or things of that nature
553
00:23:12,260 --> 00:23:14,660
at this point in time.
554
00:23:14,660 --> 00:23:19,660
But there's still uncertainty in my life.
555
00:23:19,660 --> 00:23:22,900
And there's definitely things that definitely has felt
556
00:23:22,900 --> 00:23:25,100
like an attack in a lot of ways.
557
00:23:25,100 --> 00:23:29,100
And so, but I mean, I was just writing down that,
558
00:23:30,420 --> 00:23:32,380
I love what you said that God has said
559
00:23:32,380 --> 00:23:34,380
that God has been a great help to me.
560
00:23:34,380 --> 00:23:36,220
I love what you said that God has the keys
561
00:23:36,220 --> 00:23:38,300
to the projection room.
562
00:23:38,300 --> 00:23:41,900
And that's really encouraging to know that,
563
00:23:41,900 --> 00:23:45,420
even though that was a traumatic experience that I had,
564
00:23:45,420 --> 00:23:48,220
that God is still wanting to speak through that.
565
00:23:48,220 --> 00:23:52,300
And I'm sure as I process it more and think about it,
566
00:23:52,300 --> 00:23:55,460
I'm sure that there's some more things that I can look at
567
00:23:55,460 --> 00:23:58,780
and say, wow, what did God mean by this?
568
00:23:58,780 --> 00:24:03,180
But if we're open to the idea that all dreams come from God,
569
00:24:03,180 --> 00:24:06,540
then we're looking for the code that's in there.
570
00:24:06,540 --> 00:24:09,620
So that makes me want to go, and first off,
571
00:24:09,620 --> 00:24:13,300
thank you for addressing that particular dream.
572
00:24:13,300 --> 00:24:17,740
But I wanna find out your story of how you realized
573
00:24:17,740 --> 00:24:21,420
that God was using you in prophetic dream interpretation.
574
00:24:21,420 --> 00:24:25,380
And really you call it a new term now, spiritual intelligence.
575
00:24:25,380 --> 00:24:28,940
So tell me about how God showed you
576
00:24:28,940 --> 00:24:30,740
that this is what he's calling you to do.
577
00:24:30,740 --> 00:24:33,260
Sure, well, let me demonstrate spiritual intelligence
578
00:24:33,260 --> 00:24:34,820
with that last dream.
579
00:24:34,820 --> 00:24:37,420
We always like to go, we interpret the dream,
580
00:24:37,420 --> 00:24:39,060
just like when Joseph said,
581
00:24:39,060 --> 00:24:40,100
there'll be seven years of plenty
582
00:24:40,100 --> 00:24:41,380
followed by seven years of famine.
583
00:24:41,380 --> 00:24:43,980
Okay, that's what the dream means.
584
00:24:43,980 --> 00:24:45,420
But what do I do?
585
00:24:45,420 --> 00:24:47,860
And he says, now here's what you should do.
586
00:24:47,860 --> 00:24:49,020
Let Pharaoh appoint a man,
587
00:24:49,020 --> 00:24:50,340
put eight commissioners underneath him,
588
00:24:50,340 --> 00:24:52,540
store up 20% in the walls of the city
589
00:24:52,540 --> 00:24:53,900
during the times of plenty.
590
00:24:53,900 --> 00:24:55,140
That's an action plan.
591
00:24:55,140 --> 00:24:57,500
We call that actionable intelligence.
592
00:24:57,500 --> 00:24:59,740
So many times somebody will have a dream
593
00:24:59,740 --> 00:25:01,380
and somebody will pat him on the head and say,
594
00:25:01,380 --> 00:25:04,260
oh, well, God just wants you to know he loves you.
595
00:25:04,260 --> 00:25:05,980
Or you should go pray.
596
00:25:05,980 --> 00:25:08,020
God just wants you to pray more.
597
00:25:08,020 --> 00:25:13,020
Dreams never mean never in scripture mean just pray
598
00:25:13,660 --> 00:25:16,420
or just that God loves you.
599
00:25:16,420 --> 00:25:17,860
That's not what they mean.
600
00:25:17,860 --> 00:25:21,260
Because God is giving you actionable detailed intelligence.
601
00:25:21,260 --> 00:25:22,380
Like when he appears,
602
00:25:22,380 --> 00:25:24,700
the angel of the Lord appears to Joseph,
603
00:25:24,700 --> 00:25:28,060
the husband of Mary, the father of Jesus in the dream
604
00:25:28,060 --> 00:25:30,740
and says, leave right now, take your wife in the sun
605
00:25:30,740 --> 00:25:33,020
and go to Egypt, Herod's trying to kill you.
606
00:25:33,020 --> 00:25:35,300
There's no like, well, I need to pray about,
607
00:25:35,300 --> 00:25:36,780
no, you need to leave right now.
608
00:25:36,780 --> 00:25:39,780
Grab the go bag, brother, you're out of here.
609
00:25:39,780 --> 00:25:42,860
And so what God is telling you in that dream
610
00:25:42,860 --> 00:25:45,380
is that there's an attack of doubt
611
00:25:45,380 --> 00:25:46,940
in a season of transition.
612
00:25:48,020 --> 00:25:50,220
And so it's not like, well, I need to pray about it.
613
00:25:50,220 --> 00:25:53,900
No, you need to fight it.
614
00:25:53,900 --> 00:25:56,460
You need to exercise your faith
615
00:25:56,460 --> 00:25:58,300
and you need to rebuke the doubt
616
00:25:58,300 --> 00:26:00,260
and realize that it's the enemy.
617
00:26:00,260 --> 00:26:02,380
Realize that you're in a vulnerable place,
618
00:26:02,380 --> 00:26:04,860
which is a place of transition
619
00:26:04,860 --> 00:26:07,420
and you're in a place of transition at that moment.
620
00:26:07,420 --> 00:26:09,740
You're in a place of transition at work
621
00:26:09,740 --> 00:26:13,180
and it could be the building move, whatever.
622
00:26:13,180 --> 00:26:16,660
A lot of times God'll just as I'm talking,
623
00:26:16,660 --> 00:26:17,540
people will be like, man,
624
00:26:17,540 --> 00:26:19,660
I really thought about this particular situation.
625
00:26:19,660 --> 00:26:21,100
Well, that's because God is highlighting.
626
00:26:21,100 --> 00:26:23,500
That's probably what he's talking about,
627
00:26:23,500 --> 00:26:25,700
but he's giving you the playbook of the enemy.
628
00:26:25,700 --> 00:26:28,620
The enemy wants to come in and attack you
629
00:26:28,620 --> 00:26:30,980
in a season of transition with doubt.
630
00:26:30,980 --> 00:26:34,100
And if you know that, then you're like, no,
631
00:26:34,100 --> 00:26:35,460
I'm gonna get together with my wife.
632
00:26:35,460 --> 00:26:36,980
We're gonna pray, we're gonna have faith.
633
00:26:36,980 --> 00:26:38,580
We're gonna read scripture on faith.
634
00:26:38,580 --> 00:26:41,500
We're gonna be 100% convinced
635
00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:44,780
in every direction we're taking in any area of life
636
00:26:44,780 --> 00:26:46,740
and we're gonna rebuke the spirit of fear, doubt,
637
00:26:46,740 --> 00:26:49,100
and unbelief categorically
638
00:26:49,100 --> 00:26:51,420
and it's not gonna have a place with us.
639
00:26:51,420 --> 00:26:54,100
That's much more helpful than telling somebody,
640
00:26:54,100 --> 00:26:55,740
oh, well, you are getting attacked by doubt.
641
00:26:55,740 --> 00:26:58,100
Well, okay, but what do I do?
642
00:26:58,100 --> 00:26:59,580
I didn't like how I felt in the dream.
643
00:26:59,580 --> 00:27:01,660
I literally woke up kicking and screaming
644
00:27:01,660 --> 00:27:03,780
and my wife had to call me down.
645
00:27:03,780 --> 00:27:04,980
How do I not do?
646
00:27:04,980 --> 00:27:06,820
Well, God is telling you
647
00:27:06,820 --> 00:27:08,940
this is the enemy that's attacking you.
648
00:27:08,940 --> 00:27:11,420
This is what's coming at you in this season.
649
00:27:12,420 --> 00:27:14,060
And you know how to do spiritual warfare.
650
00:27:14,060 --> 00:27:16,300
So again, it's not like we need to pray,
651
00:27:16,300 --> 00:27:17,220
God, what does this mean?
652
00:27:17,220 --> 00:27:20,380
We need to take action, put on the full armor,
653
00:27:20,380 --> 00:27:21,260
those kinds of things.
654
00:27:21,260 --> 00:27:25,020
And so I realized because I was so dogmatic,
655
00:27:25,020 --> 00:27:27,860
I just kept feeling in my spirit,
656
00:27:27,860 --> 00:27:29,100
but yeah, what do I do?
657
00:27:29,100 --> 00:27:29,940
What do I do?
658
00:27:29,940 --> 00:27:30,780
What do I do?
659
00:27:30,780 --> 00:27:34,940
I just got tired of kinda just really kinda milquetoast
660
00:27:34,940 --> 00:27:38,060
dream interpretations that you get at church or this,
661
00:27:38,060 --> 00:27:41,180
well, this just kinda means that you should pray.
662
00:27:41,180 --> 00:27:44,220
And I'm like, no, it doesn't mean pray.
663
00:27:44,220 --> 00:27:45,100
And there's so many people
664
00:27:45,100 --> 00:27:46,420
that are saying things right now.
665
00:27:46,420 --> 00:27:51,420
Like this country is in a difficult part of its history.
666
00:27:51,820 --> 00:27:55,420
And I believe we're in a state of all out war.
667
00:27:55,420 --> 00:27:58,460
Say spiritual war.
668
00:27:58,460 --> 00:27:59,700
There's more than that going on.
669
00:27:59,700 --> 00:28:02,140
But even if you just say with spiritual war
670
00:28:02,140 --> 00:28:04,740
that this is where this country is in,
671
00:28:04,740 --> 00:28:06,740
the idea of just pray,
672
00:28:06,740 --> 00:28:09,980
what like say, God, please bless America?
673
00:28:09,980 --> 00:28:11,820
Like, do you think that's gonna move the needle
674
00:28:11,820 --> 00:28:14,420
on what's happening in Washington, DC,
675
00:28:14,420 --> 00:28:18,220
on our southern border in all of these cultural questions
676
00:28:18,220 --> 00:28:20,500
that are arising in our day that are difficult
677
00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:22,340
and school boards and everywhere else.
678
00:28:22,340 --> 00:28:24,300
Do you think that, you know, no,
679
00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:27,820
we need to take action and pray.
680
00:28:27,820 --> 00:28:30,180
So what is the action we need to take?
681
00:28:30,180 --> 00:28:33,660
This is the intel that God is giving us in dreams.
682
00:28:33,660 --> 00:28:34,500
Wow.
683
00:28:34,500 --> 00:28:37,580
So spiritual intelligence is marching orders.
684
00:28:37,580 --> 00:28:42,580
Its dreams are given for direction, strategy and tactics.
685
00:28:42,580 --> 00:28:45,980
I've had some prophetic people that,
686
00:28:47,660 --> 00:28:51,100
you know, really incredible prophets that have said,
687
00:28:51,100 --> 00:28:52,540
had this dream, what does it mean?
688
00:28:52,540 --> 00:28:54,540
And that I would interpret the dream
689
00:28:54,540 --> 00:28:57,540
and they'd be like, wow, that's really cool.
690
00:28:58,740 --> 00:29:00,060
We need to pray about that.
691
00:29:00,060 --> 00:29:03,620
And I've actually been like, no, you don't need to pray.
692
00:29:03,620 --> 00:29:05,460
You need to take the action.
693
00:29:05,460 --> 00:29:07,580
God already gave you the answer.
694
00:29:07,580 --> 00:29:08,420
That's what we do.
695
00:29:08,420 --> 00:29:10,700
When we don't know what to do as Christians,
696
00:29:10,700 --> 00:29:11,540
we wanna pray.
697
00:29:11,540 --> 00:29:12,780
We're like, wow, we need to pray.
698
00:29:12,780 --> 00:29:14,620
No, you prayed.
699
00:29:14,620 --> 00:29:16,380
You asked God, what's going on in my life.
700
00:29:16,380 --> 00:29:17,460
He showed up.
701
00:29:17,460 --> 00:29:18,540
He showed you.
702
00:29:18,540 --> 00:29:20,460
Now do what he showed you to do.
703
00:29:20,460 --> 00:29:21,300
Yeah.
704
00:29:21,300 --> 00:29:23,300
You know, and so if we look at it that way,
705
00:29:23,300 --> 00:29:26,740
and it's really just a whole, I was in the military.
706
00:29:26,740 --> 00:29:28,460
And when you have a military background
707
00:29:28,460 --> 00:29:30,780
and you start looking at things as marching orders
708
00:29:30,780 --> 00:29:34,620
or orders of the day or lawful orders that you have to obey
709
00:29:34,620 --> 00:29:36,940
and you start looking at these dreams
710
00:29:36,940 --> 00:29:39,020
as being this type of a thing,
711
00:29:39,020 --> 00:29:42,940
then you wanna know when you wake up, what do I do?
712
00:29:42,940 --> 00:29:45,180
Not, I just wanna pray about that
713
00:29:45,180 --> 00:29:46,820
and I wanna get more clarity.
714
00:29:46,820 --> 00:29:48,260
The clarity is the dream.
715
00:29:48,260 --> 00:29:50,180
The answer to the question is the dream
716
00:29:50,180 --> 00:29:53,260
to the point that we do this thing called an RFI,
717
00:29:53,260 --> 00:29:54,860
a request for intelligence.
718
00:29:55,980 --> 00:29:57,660
I meet somebody new.
719
00:29:57,660 --> 00:29:59,860
I met a movie producer once and I'm like,
720
00:29:59,860 --> 00:30:02,500
and I don't really know anything about this person.
721
00:30:02,500 --> 00:30:04,500
I'm like, tell me about this person.
722
00:30:04,500 --> 00:30:06,460
And then I went to sleep and then I had two dreams
723
00:30:06,460 --> 00:30:07,300
about this person.
724
00:30:07,300 --> 00:30:09,900
I went to sleep and then I had two dreams about them.
725
00:30:10,900 --> 00:30:14,100
And in the next several interactions that happened,
726
00:30:14,100 --> 00:30:17,020
those dreams came true and I knew what was going on
727
00:30:17,020 --> 00:30:19,220
and where we were because there was gonna be a season
728
00:30:19,220 --> 00:30:23,500
of confused communication and difficulty
729
00:30:23,500 --> 00:30:26,660
that could potentially put that friendship at risk.
730
00:30:26,660 --> 00:30:30,460
But I knew because I had the intel already from day one,
731
00:30:30,460 --> 00:30:33,380
like from first meeting someone.
732
00:30:33,380 --> 00:30:35,580
And so when you get that type of information,
733
00:30:35,580 --> 00:30:37,660
you realize when you start to look at dreams
734
00:30:37,660 --> 00:30:42,660
like intelligence, it will 100% absolutely change your life
735
00:30:43,420 --> 00:30:46,900
because if we even have the doubt in our mind,
736
00:30:46,900 --> 00:30:48,980
ah, that dream was just probably from me
737
00:30:48,980 --> 00:30:51,900
because maybe you had a tough day at work
738
00:30:51,900 --> 00:30:54,700
and you didn't like the way they painted the hallway
739
00:30:54,700 --> 00:30:59,300
and so it was probably pizza and stuff from work.
740
00:30:59,300 --> 00:31:01,860
No, and then you ignore it.
741
00:31:01,860 --> 00:31:03,860
And God is saying, you're gonna enter a season
742
00:31:03,860 --> 00:31:06,260
where more is gonna be required of you
743
00:31:06,260 --> 00:31:07,780
in the season of transition
744
00:31:07,780 --> 00:31:10,580
and I want you to move forward in faith, son.
745
00:31:10,580 --> 00:31:13,740
So the first thing you need to do is you need to full on
746
00:31:13,740 --> 00:31:16,940
attack and win against the spirit of doubt.
747
00:31:16,940 --> 00:31:18,980
So it has no place with you,
748
00:31:18,980 --> 00:31:20,980
no place with you as you lead your team at work,
749
00:31:20,980 --> 00:31:22,860
as you lead your family at home,
750
00:31:22,860 --> 00:31:25,700
because you're entering a season where you are gonna need
751
00:31:25,700 --> 00:31:28,420
to be rock solid because that's the position
752
00:31:28,420 --> 00:31:30,140
I've placed you in and that's why the enemy
753
00:31:30,140 --> 00:31:32,020
wants to attack you there.
754
00:31:32,020 --> 00:31:36,020
Wow, that's some good actionable intelligence
755
00:31:36,020 --> 00:31:38,340
and I know what I can do about that.
756
00:31:38,340 --> 00:31:41,740
You know, that's just like what Joseph said to Pharaoh,
757
00:31:41,740 --> 00:31:43,940
he laid out a plan, a strategy for,
758
00:31:43,940 --> 00:31:45,220
here's the interpretation of the dream,
759
00:31:45,220 --> 00:31:46,740
but this is what you gotta do.
760
00:31:46,740 --> 00:31:48,900
Hey, put somebody in charge of that.
761
00:31:48,900 --> 00:31:51,220
Joseph wasn't trying to be the second in command
762
00:31:51,220 --> 00:31:54,100
of Egypt at that time.
763
00:31:54,100 --> 00:31:57,980
He was just some guy that came out of the prison.
764
00:31:57,980 --> 00:32:01,340
Literally, he went from the prison to being the number two,
765
00:32:01,340 --> 00:32:03,100
not because he just interpreted the dream,
766
00:32:03,100 --> 00:32:06,020
but because he also had the action plan
767
00:32:06,020 --> 00:32:10,020
and God gave him favor because he was willing
768
00:32:10,020 --> 00:32:12,060
to speak with that was.
769
00:32:12,060 --> 00:32:15,860
And so that's really interesting.
770
00:32:15,860 --> 00:32:19,340
So back to kind of your story of how you went to,
771
00:32:20,220 --> 00:32:22,100
you know, how you started interpreting dreams
772
00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:26,540
and I know you just recently within the last several years
773
00:32:26,540 --> 00:32:28,860
are in this ministry now full time
774
00:32:28,860 --> 00:32:33,860
from a business background, but now you're in ministry.
775
00:32:34,660 --> 00:32:36,180
You know, with some of the time that we have here,
776
00:32:36,180 --> 00:32:37,820
let's talk about your story
777
00:32:37,820 --> 00:32:40,940
and how God started using you in dreams.
778
00:32:40,940 --> 00:32:41,780
Sure.
779
00:32:41,780 --> 00:32:43,900
Yeah, I wrote my first dream down at 13.
780
00:32:43,900 --> 00:32:45,740
That's the only dream I wrote down as a kid.
781
00:32:45,740 --> 00:32:47,540
I wish I would have wrote all my dreams down,
782
00:32:47,540 --> 00:32:48,620
but it's the only one I have
783
00:32:48,620 --> 00:32:51,540
in my little 13 year old diary.
784
00:32:51,540 --> 00:32:54,220
And then in 2003 or four,
785
00:32:54,220 --> 00:32:57,220
I started writing down dreams more.
786
00:32:57,220 --> 00:33:01,340
Not every dream, but a lot of dreams.
787
00:33:01,340 --> 00:33:06,340
And then around 2006, there was a romantic relationship
788
00:33:06,460 --> 00:33:10,100
and I started dreaming about this person a lot.
789
00:33:10,100 --> 00:33:11,980
And so I'm like, wow, this is fun.
790
00:33:11,980 --> 00:33:14,060
It's fun to dream because, you know, I'm dreaming.
791
00:33:14,060 --> 00:33:16,180
I'm getting to know this person or I'm spending time
792
00:33:16,180 --> 00:33:18,660
with them or their family or whatever.
793
00:33:18,660 --> 00:33:20,100
And around the situation,
794
00:33:20,100 --> 00:33:24,180
there was like all of these real life encounters
795
00:33:24,180 --> 00:33:27,340
that would happen where I would go to this place
796
00:33:27,340 --> 00:33:29,340
and that person would be there.
797
00:33:29,340 --> 00:33:32,220
And I'm like, wow, this is like in the dream.
798
00:33:32,220 --> 00:33:35,660
And so the dream world and the real world
799
00:33:35,660 --> 00:33:37,140
seem to be intersecting.
800
00:33:37,140 --> 00:33:42,060
And I'm like, well, it felt very compelling for me
801
00:33:42,060 --> 00:33:45,500
that God was saying there's a future of something here.
802
00:33:45,500 --> 00:33:48,220
And so I'm just trying to, you know,
803
00:33:48,220 --> 00:33:50,020
give her the time to realize that as well
804
00:33:50,020 --> 00:33:52,020
and kind of be laid back.
805
00:33:52,020 --> 00:33:54,500
But, you know, and so this went on for a period
806
00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:58,380
of a couple of years and I'm just trying to, you know,
807
00:33:58,380 --> 00:34:02,060
approach and hey, you know, can I buy you a coffee
808
00:34:02,060 --> 00:34:05,180
or whatever, but at the same time, not, you know,
809
00:34:05,180 --> 00:34:07,900
you know, but I was excitement was building
810
00:34:07,900 --> 00:34:09,900
and apprehension was building in my spirit.
811
00:34:09,900 --> 00:34:12,500
And I was praying about this person and all that.
812
00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:14,140
She got engaged to somebody else.
813
00:34:14,140 --> 00:34:16,300
And the day she got engaged, God told me,
814
00:34:17,380 --> 00:34:18,420
like I was getting ready.
815
00:34:18,420 --> 00:34:21,300
I was up visiting friends in Alaska at the time.
816
00:34:21,300 --> 00:34:24,900
And I was getting ready to fall asleep on somebody's couch.
817
00:34:24,900 --> 00:34:26,620
And I just felt in my spirit,
818
00:34:26,620 --> 00:34:29,420
look at this lady's Facebook page.
819
00:34:30,420 --> 00:34:31,900
And I'm like, no, I rebuke that.
820
00:34:31,900 --> 00:34:35,460
I spend way too much time looking at her Facebook page.
821
00:34:35,460 --> 00:34:37,580
I was like, no, no, no, really look at her Facebook page.
822
00:34:37,580 --> 00:34:40,780
And I'm like, no, no, I'm just gonna take a nap.
823
00:34:40,780 --> 00:34:44,260
And I took a nap and when I woke up, I checked my phone
824
00:34:44,260 --> 00:34:48,060
and I started seeing on all of my friends' Facebook pages
825
00:34:48,060 --> 00:34:50,700
that they were congratulating this woman
826
00:34:50,700 --> 00:34:52,540
who had just gotten engaged.
827
00:34:52,540 --> 00:34:55,860
So she had just posted probably right
828
00:34:55,860 --> 00:34:57,740
when God was telling me, look at her Facebook page,
829
00:34:57,740 --> 00:34:59,460
the fact that she was engaged.
830
00:34:59,460 --> 00:35:01,700
And the thing that was interesting for me was
831
00:35:02,580 --> 00:35:06,380
I did what I believe is the right approach to take
832
00:35:06,380 --> 00:35:09,060
because I know there's so many single people
833
00:35:09,060 --> 00:35:12,460
that we're teaching don't prophesy mates, dates and babies.
834
00:35:12,460 --> 00:35:13,820
And there's people that wanna be married.
835
00:35:13,820 --> 00:35:14,700
You and I had this talk
836
00:35:14,700 --> 00:35:16,980
because you weren't married when we first met.
837
00:35:16,980 --> 00:35:20,420
We're like, man, you know, God, hook us up, right?
838
00:35:20,420 --> 00:35:21,460
We need a wife.
839
00:35:21,460 --> 00:35:23,460
So a lot of people will have dreams
840
00:35:23,460 --> 00:35:25,660
and they'll put a lot of stock in their dreams
841
00:35:25,660 --> 00:35:28,340
because there's not a lot of prophecy,
842
00:35:28,340 --> 00:35:30,740
personal prophecy related to the area of mates
843
00:35:30,740 --> 00:35:31,580
in their life.
844
00:35:31,580 --> 00:35:32,940
So they're dreaming about,
845
00:35:32,940 --> 00:35:37,820
I've had so many young, incredible ministry school girls,
846
00:35:37,820 --> 00:35:40,060
oh my gosh, the bass player or the drummer.
847
00:35:40,060 --> 00:35:41,900
I've dreamt about him three nights in a row.
848
00:35:41,900 --> 00:35:44,340
And I think, do you think God is telling me
849
00:35:44,340 --> 00:35:45,300
he's my husband?
850
00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:48,220
And I'm like, well, let's interpret that dream.
851
00:35:48,220 --> 00:35:49,740
Like, let's not be afraid of the question.
852
00:35:49,740 --> 00:35:51,700
Let's ask the question.
853
00:35:51,700 --> 00:35:53,420
But I got to the place where I'm like,
854
00:35:53,420 --> 00:35:55,420
God, I know she wants to be married.
855
00:35:55,420 --> 00:35:56,500
I know I wanna be married.
856
00:35:56,500 --> 00:36:00,020
I'm just gonna pray that you hasten her husband.
857
00:36:00,020 --> 00:36:01,060
And if it's me, great.
858
00:36:01,060 --> 00:36:02,380
And if it's not, I'll know.
859
00:36:02,380 --> 00:36:03,460
And that's what happened.
860
00:36:03,460 --> 00:36:04,660
And I feel like even the way
861
00:36:04,660 --> 00:36:07,060
that God kind of closed that chapter in my life
862
00:36:07,060 --> 00:36:11,060
was like he was telling me, so I would know.
863
00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:14,420
But after that, I was frustrated.
864
00:36:14,420 --> 00:36:16,020
I'm like, this dream thing is stupid.
865
00:36:16,020 --> 00:36:18,540
I put a lot of stock in decisions.
866
00:36:18,540 --> 00:36:20,180
I was at events I was going to
867
00:36:20,180 --> 00:36:21,860
because maybe she would be there
868
00:36:21,860 --> 00:36:24,540
and I had had a dream and blah, blah, blah.
869
00:36:24,540 --> 00:36:27,420
And so I'm like, this dream thing is bunk, man.
870
00:36:27,420 --> 00:36:29,260
So I put my stuff in a box,
871
00:36:29,260 --> 00:36:30,460
threw it in the back of the closet
872
00:36:30,460 --> 00:36:33,340
and went on my way for about two or three years.
873
00:36:33,340 --> 00:36:35,620
And I don't know why, but for some reason,
874
00:36:35,620 --> 00:36:37,180
people would be like, hey, John,
875
00:36:37,180 --> 00:36:39,060
do you know anything about dreams?
876
00:36:39,060 --> 00:36:41,540
And I'm like, I don't wanna talk about dreams.
877
00:36:41,540 --> 00:36:43,180
I'm frustrated about dreams.
878
00:36:43,180 --> 00:36:44,020
Right, right.
879
00:36:44,020 --> 00:36:45,500
They'd be like, well, let me just tell you this dream.
880
00:36:45,500 --> 00:36:47,540
And I'd be like, fine, tell me your dream.
881
00:36:47,540 --> 00:36:48,940
And they tell me a dream.
882
00:36:48,940 --> 00:36:49,860
And I'd be like,
883
00:36:49,860 --> 00:36:52,780
and God would just drop thoughts in my head.
884
00:36:52,780 --> 00:36:57,220
I don't know, maybe it has to do with a situation at work.
885
00:36:57,220 --> 00:36:58,980
I don't know, did you loan somebody money?
886
00:36:58,980 --> 00:37:01,060
Oh my gosh, how did you know?
887
00:37:01,060 --> 00:37:02,220
That's amazing.
888
00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:04,460
You know, and I'm zero, I'm not into it.
889
00:37:04,460 --> 00:37:06,700
I'm not trying to be into it.
890
00:37:06,700 --> 00:37:08,220
And like everything I would say,
891
00:37:08,220 --> 00:37:09,900
people would be like, oh, that's amazing.
892
00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:11,700
I mean, it was just so annoying.
893
00:37:13,180 --> 00:37:14,900
So you're almost running away from it.
894
00:37:14,900 --> 00:37:17,700
I was, I was totally running away.
895
00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:20,620
And then I have a bunch of friends that were like
896
00:37:20,620 --> 00:37:23,340
prophetic voices in the earth.
897
00:37:23,340 --> 00:37:27,620
And some of them are national level kind of guys.
898
00:37:27,620 --> 00:37:28,460
And they'd just be like,
899
00:37:28,460 --> 00:37:30,980
hey, can I tell you about these dreams?
900
00:37:30,980 --> 00:37:32,500
And I'd be like, sure.
901
00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:34,500
And then they'd be like, man, you really got a gift.
902
00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:36,340
And I'd be like, yeah, whatever.
903
00:37:36,340 --> 00:37:38,620
I just blow it off because I, you're my friend.
904
00:37:38,620 --> 00:37:40,700
I appreciate you saying that.
905
00:37:40,700 --> 00:37:43,780
And then one or two people finally
906
00:37:43,780 --> 00:37:46,580
are like, no, listen, like we know everybody
907
00:37:46,580 --> 00:37:48,900
doing dream interpretation right now.
908
00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:50,660
Like we knew John Paul Jackson,
909
00:37:50,660 --> 00:37:53,940
we knew what you're doing is somehow different.
910
00:37:53,940 --> 00:37:55,260
And I'm like, what'd I do?
911
00:37:55,260 --> 00:37:57,300
I don't, I don't have a book.
912
00:37:57,300 --> 00:37:58,580
I haven't never taught this.
913
00:37:58,580 --> 00:38:00,020
I've never been to a dream class.
914
00:38:00,020 --> 00:38:02,220
I just, somebody will tell me something
915
00:38:02,220 --> 00:38:06,020
and I'll hear a question or something drop in my spirit
916
00:38:06,020 --> 00:38:07,140
as they say that.
917
00:38:07,140 --> 00:38:09,580
And they're, you know, and then I would just say,
918
00:38:09,580 --> 00:38:11,780
well, here's, here's what I'm thinking.
919
00:38:11,780 --> 00:38:13,900
And they'd be like, wow, that's incredible.
920
00:38:13,900 --> 00:38:16,580
And that's when I realized that it was God
921
00:38:16,580 --> 00:38:17,460
that was doing that.
922
00:38:17,460 --> 00:38:19,820
But everybody I knew was reading books,
923
00:38:19,820 --> 00:38:22,060
taking dream classes, doing dream.
924
00:38:22,060 --> 00:38:24,020
And I thought, and I even thought, man, maybe I need it.
925
00:38:24,020 --> 00:38:25,420
What's a good book I need to gather?
926
00:38:25,420 --> 00:38:27,580
What class should I take?
927
00:38:27,580 --> 00:38:31,660
And what I realized is, is when I finally went
928
00:38:31,660 --> 00:38:34,300
to a conference, a friend of mine was doing
929
00:38:34,300 --> 00:38:38,820
on hearing from God, especially in the word of knowledge,
930
00:38:38,820 --> 00:38:40,180
they said, here's how you hear from God
931
00:38:40,180 --> 00:38:41,020
on the word of knowledge.
932
00:38:41,020 --> 00:38:42,980
Shut your brain off.
933
00:38:42,980 --> 00:38:45,460
You even shut your prophetic discernment off
934
00:38:45,460 --> 00:38:48,260
because if you're a prophet and you're used
935
00:38:48,260 --> 00:38:51,380
to that bubble up flow, you can start prophesying
936
00:38:51,380 --> 00:38:53,700
over someone when they tell you a dream
937
00:38:53,700 --> 00:38:55,420
and your prophecy can be accurate,
938
00:38:55,420 --> 00:38:57,740
but that's not dream interpretation.
939
00:38:57,740 --> 00:38:59,540
And so it'd be like, you need a word of knowledge,
940
00:38:59,540 --> 00:39:02,540
which means shut your brain off, be still, be quiet,
941
00:39:02,540 --> 00:39:04,980
listen, and let God drop things.
942
00:39:04,980 --> 00:39:06,260
I'm like, that's it.
943
00:39:06,260 --> 00:39:07,980
That's what I do.
944
00:39:07,980 --> 00:39:09,460
You know, and so when I realized that,
945
00:39:09,460 --> 00:39:12,500
then I realized that's why I don't like dream dictionaries.
946
00:39:12,500 --> 00:39:15,180
That's why I don't like it when people in ministry are like,
947
00:39:15,180 --> 00:39:18,020
well, if you had a dream about a car, it means ministry.
948
00:39:18,020 --> 00:39:20,340
I'm not in ministry, I'm a business guy.
949
00:39:20,340 --> 00:39:21,340
That means nothing to me.
950
00:39:21,340 --> 00:39:24,300
And then I realized car doesn't always mean ministry.
951
00:39:24,300 --> 00:39:25,140
Right.
952
00:39:25,140 --> 00:39:27,220
In fact, what we're trying to do is we're trying
953
00:39:27,220 --> 00:39:32,220
to institutionalize a encoded, encrypted,
954
00:39:32,980 --> 00:39:37,420
multi-generational, multicultural language.
955
00:39:37,420 --> 00:39:39,700
Like when we understand the power of pictures,
956
00:39:39,700 --> 00:39:44,700
we could show up in fifth century BC in Egypt
957
00:39:44,820 --> 00:39:47,620
and we could try to communicate with them 400 ways.
958
00:39:47,620 --> 00:39:48,660
They would know nothing.
959
00:39:48,660 --> 00:39:50,980
We show them a picture of a cat.
960
00:39:50,980 --> 00:39:53,020
They're not gonna know how we got a picture,
961
00:39:53,020 --> 00:39:54,420
but they're gonna point to the cat
962
00:39:54,420 --> 00:39:56,100
and they're gonna know what we're talking about.
963
00:39:56,100 --> 00:39:57,540
Yeah.
964
00:39:57,540 --> 00:39:59,460
You know, and so that's what I love about dreams.
965
00:39:59,460 --> 00:40:01,660
And so to try to put dreams into a box,
966
00:40:01,660 --> 00:40:04,780
I got a friend that put together a database of, you know,
967
00:40:04,780 --> 00:40:06,340
tens of thousands of dreams.
968
00:40:06,340 --> 00:40:09,500
And they were working with a data scientist
969
00:40:09,500 --> 00:40:14,140
who took the dream set, the whole data set to MIT.
970
00:40:14,140 --> 00:40:18,420
And that was a group of doctorate degree MIT data scientists
971
00:40:18,420 --> 00:40:21,740
and people from the NSA who studied this data set.
972
00:40:21,740 --> 00:40:23,180
And you know what they found?
973
00:40:24,100 --> 00:40:25,460
Absolutely nothing.
974
00:40:27,020 --> 00:40:29,940
They were looking for, well, can we say definitively
975
00:40:29,940 --> 00:40:33,180
that a car means this or a cat means this?
976
00:40:33,180 --> 00:40:35,340
Well, what about a lion in scripture?
977
00:40:35,340 --> 00:40:36,940
Well, the enemy's like a roaring lion
978
00:40:36,940 --> 00:40:38,740
seeking who he may devour.
979
00:40:38,740 --> 00:40:40,860
And then there's the lion of the tribe of Judah.
980
00:40:40,860 --> 00:40:42,220
Exactly, yeah.
981
00:40:42,220 --> 00:40:43,060
What is it?
982
00:40:43,060 --> 00:40:44,220
Well, you need to hear from God.
983
00:40:44,220 --> 00:40:45,860
You need to sermon either way.
984
00:40:45,860 --> 00:40:47,820
Well, I know that dreams are personal.
985
00:40:47,820 --> 00:40:50,380
God is, as you said, God is the love language
986
00:40:50,380 --> 00:40:52,060
that God speaks to his children.
987
00:40:52,060 --> 00:40:56,020
And so God speaks in a way that we, as an individual,
988
00:40:56,020 --> 00:40:57,900
are gonna be able to understand.
989
00:40:57,900 --> 00:41:01,300
That's probably why God spoke to Nebuchadnezzar in a dream
990
00:41:01,300 --> 00:41:06,020
about this giant statue where he was the head of gold.
991
00:41:06,020 --> 00:41:08,100
And all these other things,
992
00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:10,860
God was speaking to Nebuchadnezzar in a way
993
00:41:10,860 --> 00:41:12,900
that he could understand,
994
00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:14,380
or the way that would make sense to him
995
00:41:14,380 --> 00:41:15,620
or mean something to him.
996
00:41:15,620 --> 00:41:18,300
But Daniel had to give him the interpretation
997
00:41:18,300 --> 00:41:20,060
and the action plan from that.
998
00:41:20,060 --> 00:41:23,340
So yeah, I mean, a car might mean ministry.
999
00:41:23,340 --> 00:41:24,860
It might mean transportation.
1000
00:41:24,860 --> 00:41:28,860
It might mean a dozen other things based on the hearer.
1001
00:41:30,140 --> 00:41:30,980
Yeah.
1002
00:41:30,980 --> 00:41:33,500
And I think it's interesting that even though it's a way,
1003
00:41:33,500 --> 00:41:35,940
like you said, it's a way that that person
1004
00:41:35,940 --> 00:41:39,180
is gonna understand it when it's interpreted.
1005
00:41:40,380 --> 00:41:42,460
Like, and you know, I didn't,
1006
00:41:42,460 --> 00:41:43,860
I really started studying Daniel.
1007
00:41:43,860 --> 00:41:45,580
I never made this connection.
1008
00:41:45,580 --> 00:41:47,380
Daniel one is Daniel in training.
1009
00:41:47,380 --> 00:41:50,220
Daniel two is him interpreting the dream in Nebuchadnezzar
1010
00:41:50,220 --> 00:41:53,300
where he says the head of gold is you, oh, King.
1011
00:41:53,300 --> 00:41:57,500
Daniel three, Nebuchadnezzar builds a 90 feet tall statue
1012
00:41:57,500 --> 00:41:59,220
of himself made of gold.
1013
00:41:59,220 --> 00:42:00,060
Exactly.
1014
00:42:00,060 --> 00:42:01,060
And that's based on what God said.
1015
00:42:01,060 --> 00:42:02,540
He got the message.
1016
00:42:02,540 --> 00:42:04,100
I'm the stuff.
1017
00:42:04,100 --> 00:42:06,180
And everybody's gonna bow down and worship me.
1018
00:42:06,180 --> 00:42:08,780
And then Daniel four is God course correcting
1019
00:42:08,780 --> 00:42:10,380
and saying, no, no, no, no, no.
1020
00:42:10,380 --> 00:42:11,740
If you have so much pride,
1021
00:42:11,740 --> 00:42:14,300
you're gonna crawl around in the grass for seven years.
1022
00:42:14,300 --> 00:42:15,780
And that's Daniel four.
1023
00:42:15,780 --> 00:42:17,620
But it's literally a juxtaposition
1024
00:42:17,620 --> 00:42:19,540
in the life of Nebuchadnezzar between,
1025
00:42:19,540 --> 00:42:21,820
let me give you an identity that's so great
1026
00:42:21,820 --> 00:42:24,620
that you understand how good of a monarch you are
1027
00:42:24,620 --> 00:42:27,540
to, you know what, you need a little bit of humility.
1028
00:42:27,540 --> 00:42:29,220
So we need to pull it back a little.
1029
00:42:29,220 --> 00:42:32,020
And you need to realize that you are in fact not God,
1030
00:42:32,020 --> 00:42:34,860
I'm God, but you're still a great King.
1031
00:42:34,860 --> 00:42:35,700
Yeah.
1032
00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:39,780
And reading through the Bible this year with my wife,
1033
00:42:39,780 --> 00:42:43,020
there's so many times that Nebuchadnezzar is referenced.
1034
00:42:43,020 --> 00:42:44,540
I used to just think of Nebuchadnezzar
1035
00:42:44,540 --> 00:42:45,980
as always the bad guy.
1036
00:42:45,980 --> 00:42:48,460
I mean, obviously he didn't do everything right.
1037
00:42:48,460 --> 00:42:52,620
And he, you know, invaded Israel, took everybody captive,
1038
00:42:52,620 --> 00:42:56,700
but God refers to him as somebody that he's using.
1039
00:42:56,700 --> 00:43:00,020
He's actually following God's purposes,
1040
00:43:00,020 --> 00:43:03,580
whether it's misguided and making a gold statue of himself,
1041
00:43:04,780 --> 00:43:06,180
or not.
1042
00:43:06,180 --> 00:43:09,100
I just had a new appreciation for Nebuchadnezzar,
1043
00:43:09,100 --> 00:43:12,300
especially in chapter four, because if you read it,
1044
00:43:12,300 --> 00:43:15,020
he's actually the one that's writing it,
1045
00:43:15,020 --> 00:43:17,620
or at least he's dictating it.
1046
00:43:17,620 --> 00:43:20,380
Or he's then saying, you know,
1047
00:43:20,380 --> 00:43:23,580
he had to be crazy for seven years,
1048
00:43:23,580 --> 00:43:27,940
and then God restored him whenever he, you know,
1049
00:43:29,060 --> 00:43:30,740
whenever he repented.
1050
00:43:30,740 --> 00:43:35,740
So it's just fascinating to see how you can take a dream
1051
00:43:36,220 --> 00:43:38,180
and then run in the wrong direction,
1052
00:43:38,180 --> 00:43:39,540
because you don't have,
1053
00:43:39,540 --> 00:43:41,980
you're not applying the right action to that.
1054
00:43:41,980 --> 00:43:46,980
And as God's speaking, we're kind of just,
1055
00:43:47,780 --> 00:43:50,140
we're kind of just taking sections from your story
1056
00:43:50,140 --> 00:43:51,340
and kind of breaking it up.
1057
00:43:51,340 --> 00:43:53,900
But, you know, I do wanna get to the point
1058
00:43:53,900 --> 00:43:58,820
where you are now actually giving actionable intelligence
1059
00:43:58,820 --> 00:44:02,020
to government officials because of the dreams
1060
00:44:02,020 --> 00:44:04,940
that God is using you to interpret.
1061
00:44:04,940 --> 00:44:09,820
But let's kind of figure out how to get from there to,
1062
00:44:09,820 --> 00:44:12,740
you know, from where we were to that place here.
1063
00:44:12,740 --> 00:44:15,700
So I came out of my season of frustration with dreams,
1064
00:44:15,700 --> 00:44:18,300
and people, I didn't seek it out at all.
1065
00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:19,220
People would come up and say,
1066
00:44:19,220 --> 00:44:21,420
hey, do you know anything about dreams?
1067
00:44:23,220 --> 00:44:25,340
I think the first time I met Lou Engel, he said,
1068
00:44:25,340 --> 00:44:28,260
sit down, I want you to interpret some dreams for me.
1069
00:44:28,260 --> 00:44:31,340
And I'm like, how does he even know that I can do that?
1070
00:44:31,340 --> 00:44:34,220
You know, it was, and then we spent about two and a half
1071
00:44:34,220 --> 00:44:35,980
hours just talking about dreams.
1072
00:44:35,980 --> 00:44:38,620
It was just, it was an incredible time.
1073
00:44:38,620 --> 00:44:40,260
But I'm like, do I get a sign on my head,
1074
00:44:40,260 --> 00:44:41,980
like ask this guy about dreams,
1075
00:44:41,980 --> 00:44:43,140
because it keeps happening.
1076
00:44:43,140 --> 00:44:45,660
And it was, like I said, it was a point of frustration.
1077
00:44:45,660 --> 00:44:48,620
But what it really was, was it was God, you know,
1078
00:44:48,620 --> 00:44:51,900
the lover of our soul, romantically pursuing me,
1079
00:44:51,900 --> 00:44:54,340
and saying, I want to communicate with you in this way.
1080
00:44:54,340 --> 00:44:58,380
I have something for you, not just in your own dream life,
1081
00:44:58,380 --> 00:45:01,660
but in interpreting the dreams of others.
1082
00:45:01,660 --> 00:45:05,180
And so after a while, when I listened to my friends,
1083
00:45:05,180 --> 00:45:07,900
and I said, okay, they're not just trying to tell me,
1084
00:45:07,900 --> 00:45:10,140
you know, you know how to do this,
1085
00:45:10,140 --> 00:45:14,060
that maybe I do have a gift, then in my life,
1086
00:45:14,060 --> 00:45:18,260
you hit a point where once you go down a path
1087
00:45:18,260 --> 00:45:19,820
long enough, and you feel like God is moving
1088
00:45:19,820 --> 00:45:22,220
in that direction, you realize it's God,
1089
00:45:22,220 --> 00:45:25,540
now I believe you have an obligation to lean in.
1090
00:45:25,540 --> 00:45:28,860
I'm like, well, if I have a gift in this,
1091
00:45:28,860 --> 00:45:31,020
I'm not stewarding it, because I'm avoiding
1092
00:45:31,020 --> 00:45:33,140
conversations about dreams.
1093
00:45:33,140 --> 00:45:35,140
So how do I steward it better?
1094
00:45:35,140 --> 00:45:37,820
How do I get to understand more?
1095
00:45:37,820 --> 00:45:40,900
How do I study to show myself approved?
1096
00:45:40,900 --> 00:45:42,900
And it was around that time that I was having
1097
00:45:42,900 --> 00:45:44,660
some more conversations, people were saying,
1098
00:45:44,660 --> 00:45:46,140
can you come over here and speak?
1099
00:45:46,140 --> 00:45:48,660
And can you show up at this conference?
1100
00:45:48,660 --> 00:45:50,940
And can you just bring a team of dream interpreters
1101
00:45:50,940 --> 00:45:52,420
that you've trained?
1102
00:45:52,420 --> 00:45:55,460
Or can you speak at this prophetic deal over here,
1103
00:45:55,460 --> 00:45:56,780
or church or whatever?
1104
00:45:57,740 --> 00:46:01,380
That I'm like, I'm always kind of bulldog-ish
1105
00:46:01,380 --> 00:46:03,940
about scripture, it's like, I wanna make sure
1106
00:46:03,940 --> 00:46:07,540
that I have the 100%, as much as I can,
1107
00:46:07,540 --> 00:46:09,820
of an understanding of what scripture says.
1108
00:46:09,820 --> 00:46:13,460
And I'm not operating from a place of my own ideas.
1109
00:46:13,460 --> 00:46:17,340
And so it was right around that time that God
1110
00:46:17,340 --> 00:46:19,500
presented me the opportunity to look it up.
1111
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:22,060
And so I really started studying scripture,
1112
00:46:22,060 --> 00:46:23,300
and I started getting into it,
1113
00:46:23,300 --> 00:46:25,580
and that's how I started leaning in.
1114
00:46:25,580 --> 00:46:28,340
And then I also had a time when I was up at
1115
00:46:28,340 --> 00:46:30,340
Bethel Church in Reading where I took a period
1116
00:46:30,340 --> 00:46:32,500
of a couple of months where God said,
1117
00:46:32,500 --> 00:46:35,340
I want you just to rest, lay on the prayer house floor,
1118
00:46:35,340 --> 00:46:36,980
go to the prayer house every day.
1119
00:46:36,980 --> 00:46:38,900
So I went to the prayer house for eight hours a day,
1120
00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:41,060
every day, for two or three months.
1121
00:46:41,060 --> 00:46:43,300
And it was so frustrating, because I was trying to work,
1122
00:46:43,300 --> 00:46:45,900
I was trying to raise money for a startup company
1123
00:46:45,900 --> 00:46:47,500
and do this and do that, and God was like,
1124
00:46:47,500 --> 00:46:51,740
you need to stop and just rest.
1125
00:46:51,740 --> 00:46:56,060
And when I did, I started hearing him a whole lot clearer.
1126
00:46:56,060 --> 00:46:58,540
And I didn't even realize that that probably really
1127
00:46:58,540 --> 00:47:00,900
accelerated my ability to hear the voice of God
1128
00:47:00,900 --> 00:47:02,820
and dream interpretation.
1129
00:47:02,820 --> 00:47:05,740
And so I have this thing where I just love to replicate.
1130
00:47:05,740 --> 00:47:08,140
So when I'm doing business, I'm teaching young people
1131
00:47:08,140 --> 00:47:09,260
how to do business.
1132
00:47:09,260 --> 00:47:12,260
I'll have a strategy group, or I'll have, you know,
1133
00:47:12,260 --> 00:47:15,100
a business startup group where we'll get together
1134
00:47:15,100 --> 00:47:17,900
and hang out and, hey, let me give you everything I know
1135
00:47:17,900 --> 00:47:19,980
in 16 years of owning a finance company,
1136
00:47:19,980 --> 00:47:23,580
approaching investors and writing pitch decks or whatever.
1137
00:47:23,580 --> 00:47:25,060
So I was having a conversation,
1138
00:47:25,060 --> 00:47:26,860
I had just moved to Orlando, Florida,
1139
00:47:26,860 --> 00:47:28,340
and I was having a conversation like that
1140
00:47:28,340 --> 00:47:30,100
with some young entrepreneurs.
1141
00:47:30,100 --> 00:47:31,460
And one of the girls just says,
1142
00:47:31,460 --> 00:47:33,620
hey, do you know anything about dreams?
1143
00:47:33,620 --> 00:47:35,460
I'm like, tell me your dream.
1144
00:47:35,460 --> 00:47:37,460
So she does, I interpret her dream,
1145
00:47:37,460 --> 00:47:40,060
and she was like, oh my gosh, she goes,
1146
00:47:40,060 --> 00:47:42,460
can we come back next week and just talk dreams?
1147
00:47:42,460 --> 00:47:45,020
Well, you don't like the business?
1148
00:47:45,020 --> 00:47:46,220
Oh yeah, that's fine.
1149
00:47:46,220 --> 00:47:48,540
And so they came back the next week and then we ordered,
1150
00:47:48,540 --> 00:47:50,700
and this had to be God, I don't know why we did,
1151
00:47:50,700 --> 00:47:51,900
but we just got hungry.
1152
00:47:51,900 --> 00:47:53,980
And so we ordered pizza.
1153
00:47:53,980 --> 00:47:56,980
Pizza, the food most often blamed
1154
00:47:56,980 --> 00:47:59,100
for people missing the voice of God.
1155
00:47:59,100 --> 00:48:01,100
So I go, it was a pizza dream.
1156
00:48:01,100 --> 00:48:03,260
So we started having dream night
1157
00:48:03,260 --> 00:48:05,580
and having pizza every Monday.
1158
00:48:05,580 --> 00:48:07,580
And so what started as three or four people
1159
00:48:07,580 --> 00:48:09,580
turned into 25 or 30 people.
1160
00:48:09,580 --> 00:48:10,420
Wow.
1161
00:48:10,420 --> 00:48:13,300
And instead of it being, you tell me your dream
1162
00:48:13,300 --> 00:48:15,500
and I'll interpret it, I got out a whiteboard
1163
00:48:15,500 --> 00:48:18,220
and I said, let's interpret these together.
1164
00:48:18,220 --> 00:48:21,700
Okay, so here's the five main symbols in this dream.
1165
00:48:21,700 --> 00:48:22,780
Let's write them on the board.
1166
00:48:22,780 --> 00:48:26,900
Okay, what do you guys think the seven fat cows were?
1167
00:48:26,900 --> 00:48:28,860
And then people would yell their answers out.
1168
00:48:28,860 --> 00:48:30,700
And then a lot of times they would yell them out
1169
00:48:30,700 --> 00:48:32,860
at the same time, the same thing.
1170
00:48:32,860 --> 00:48:34,340
And we'd be like, whoa.
1171
00:48:34,340 --> 00:48:36,180
And they'd feel like goosebumps,
1172
00:48:36,180 --> 00:48:38,540
like, man, the Holy Spirit dropped that in
1173
00:48:38,540 --> 00:48:40,820
and three of us heard it at the same time.
1174
00:48:40,820 --> 00:48:42,500
And so people would get really excited
1175
00:48:42,500 --> 00:48:45,540
at learning how to hear the voice of God on their own.
1176
00:48:45,540 --> 00:48:49,180
And then it went from there to when I moved to Dallas,
1177
00:48:49,180 --> 00:48:52,260
my strategy consultancy in my finance business,
1178
00:48:52,260 --> 00:48:53,340
I just kind of hit a lull.
1179
00:48:53,340 --> 00:48:56,300
I moved out there to work with some startups.
1180
00:48:56,300 --> 00:48:57,820
They didn't have the money to pay me.
1181
00:48:57,820 --> 00:49:00,020
I'm like, God, this is what I moved out here to do.
1182
00:49:00,020 --> 00:49:01,140
If I'm gonna work for free,
1183
00:49:01,140 --> 00:49:02,860
I'd rather do what I wanna do.
1184
00:49:02,860 --> 00:49:03,980
God says, well, what do you wanna do?
1185
00:49:03,980 --> 00:49:05,860
Well, maybe that dream thing.
1186
00:49:05,860 --> 00:49:07,580
He goes, okay, do dreams.
1187
00:49:07,580 --> 00:49:08,980
So at the end of 2019,
1188
00:49:08,980 --> 00:49:12,420
I shut off trying to make money at all.
1189
00:49:12,420 --> 00:49:14,380
And I was getting a fair amount of dreams.
1190
00:49:14,380 --> 00:49:15,660
People would send me dreams.
1191
00:49:15,660 --> 00:49:18,220
I was working with people that were, you know,
1192
00:49:18,220 --> 00:49:20,260
part of the administration at that time
1193
00:49:20,260 --> 00:49:21,980
that were asking me dream questions.
1194
00:49:21,980 --> 00:49:24,380
I was getting introduced to CEOs
1195
00:49:24,380 --> 00:49:26,660
of a hundred million dollar a year revenue firms
1196
00:49:26,660 --> 00:49:31,060
that were like, I have questions on what do I do
1197
00:49:31,060 --> 00:49:33,500
with this phase of my life, this phase of my business.
1198
00:49:33,500 --> 00:49:36,300
And I would just say, if you had any dreams lately.
1199
00:49:36,300 --> 00:49:40,140
And so it was a really rich time, all of 2020.
1200
00:49:40,140 --> 00:49:43,380
But I asked the question somewhere along that journey,
1201
00:49:43,380 --> 00:49:45,940
probably 2016, 2017.
1202
00:49:45,940 --> 00:49:48,060
I was working on a movie project
1203
00:49:48,060 --> 00:49:50,340
and I asked somebody that was also a friend of mine
1204
00:49:50,340 --> 00:49:53,460
in the entertainment industry
1205
00:49:53,460 --> 00:49:55,620
that spent a lot of time working on prophecy
1206
00:49:55,620 --> 00:49:56,460
and word of knowledge.
1207
00:49:56,460 --> 00:49:58,420
I said, do we really believe this stuff?
1208
00:49:59,500 --> 00:50:00,700
Like I'm kind of all or nothing.
1209
00:50:00,700 --> 00:50:02,140
If we believe it, I'm all in.
1210
00:50:02,140 --> 00:50:03,580
If we don't, that's fine.
1211
00:50:03,580 --> 00:50:04,420
It's just fluff.
1212
00:50:04,420 --> 00:50:05,580
I'm gonna do something else.
1213
00:50:05,580 --> 00:50:07,500
But if we really believe we can hear from God
1214
00:50:07,500 --> 00:50:08,860
in dreams, visions, word of knowledge,
1215
00:50:08,860 --> 00:50:10,900
word of wisdom, prophecy,
1216
00:50:10,900 --> 00:50:12,980
then we should have the best information
1217
00:50:12,980 --> 00:50:15,220
like literally on the planet.
1218
00:50:15,220 --> 00:50:18,380
So why isn't there a full-time group of people
1219
00:50:18,380 --> 00:50:20,540
working to keep America safe
1220
00:50:20,540 --> 00:50:24,540
or advise the president of the United States directly?
1221
00:50:24,540 --> 00:50:26,740
And we all have friends that are pastors
1222
00:50:26,740 --> 00:50:30,060
or prophets that'll go out there maybe once every two months,
1223
00:50:30,060 --> 00:50:32,540
meet with the president for 10 minutes and pray over them
1224
00:50:32,540 --> 00:50:34,180
and maybe give them a brief.
1225
00:50:34,180 --> 00:50:35,340
That's not what I'm talking about.
1226
00:50:35,340 --> 00:50:38,500
I'm like eight o'clock in the morning of every day,
1227
00:50:38,500 --> 00:50:42,060
the Central Intelligence Agency places a folder
1228
00:50:42,060 --> 00:50:44,100
on the desk of the president of the United States
1229
00:50:44,100 --> 00:50:46,700
that says president's daily brief.
1230
00:50:46,700 --> 00:50:50,140
If our information is literally from God
1231
00:50:50,140 --> 00:50:52,060
and he's the source of dreams
1232
00:50:52,060 --> 00:50:53,820
and he's speaking through these dreams
1233
00:50:53,820 --> 00:50:57,900
and we can interpret like Daniel, like Joseph,
1234
00:50:57,900 --> 00:51:00,780
our information should be better than theirs.
1235
00:51:00,780 --> 00:51:02,780
So why don't we do this full-time
1236
00:51:02,780 --> 00:51:05,860
because we have a lot of problems in this nation
1237
00:51:05,860 --> 00:51:07,380
that need to be fixed.
1238
00:51:07,380 --> 00:51:10,100
And so I started working to build the team of people
1239
00:51:10,100 --> 00:51:10,940
that would do that.
1240
00:51:10,940 --> 00:51:14,140
And as I did, people would hear about some of the things
1241
00:51:14,140 --> 00:51:17,500
that we were doing and I would get calls from people
1242
00:51:17,500 --> 00:51:19,340
sometimes in the intelligence community,
1243
00:51:19,340 --> 00:51:22,740
sometimes military, sometimes governmental people
1244
00:51:22,740 --> 00:51:24,380
in the administration.
1245
00:51:24,380 --> 00:51:27,900
And we started having opportunities and doors open up
1246
00:51:27,900 --> 00:51:29,780
and you don't just send somebody an email,
1247
00:51:29,780 --> 00:51:31,860
you don't have a consultation on the phone
1248
00:51:31,860 --> 00:51:34,300
where they give you their dream like you just did
1249
00:51:34,300 --> 00:51:35,860
and I just give them an answer.
1250
00:51:35,860 --> 00:51:38,420
You write it up in a government style report
1251
00:51:38,420 --> 00:51:39,260
with a cover page.
1252
00:51:39,260 --> 00:51:40,660
And so we started doing that
1253
00:51:42,260 --> 00:51:44,340
and it just kind of took off from there.
1254
00:51:44,340 --> 00:51:47,140
Yeah, and so people were actually looking at this though.
1255
00:51:48,340 --> 00:51:52,620
Wow, John, our time is running a little bit short
1256
00:51:52,620 --> 00:51:55,060
so we're gonna have to do another session with you,
1257
00:51:55,060 --> 00:51:58,180
I think to be able to kind of go in a little bit deeper
1258
00:51:58,180 --> 00:51:59,540
about some of these things.
1259
00:51:59,540 --> 00:52:02,900
And but I don't wanna miss the opportunity
1260
00:52:02,900 --> 00:52:06,860
to let people know about your amazing YouTube channel
1261
00:52:06,860 --> 00:52:09,500
and the things that you're doing on a regular basis
1262
00:52:09,500 --> 00:52:11,300
to help people understand their dreams.
1263
00:52:11,300 --> 00:52:14,780
Can you just talk about the Dream Life Decoded
1264
00:52:14,780 --> 00:52:18,420
and the spiritual intelligence ministry that you have
1265
00:52:18,420 --> 00:52:20,700
that people can kind of tune into?
1266
00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:22,940
Sure, we picked the name Dream Life Decoded
1267
00:52:22,940 --> 00:52:24,260
because it's exactly that.
1268
00:52:24,260 --> 00:52:26,100
Everybody has a dream life
1269
00:52:26,100 --> 00:52:28,420
and they wanna know what it means.
1270
00:52:28,420 --> 00:52:30,300
And so Dream Life Decoded on YouTube
1271
00:52:30,300 --> 00:52:32,060
is probably the best way to get in touch with me,
1272
00:52:32,060 --> 00:52:35,980
which by the way, every Tuesday night at 6 p.m. Eastern,
1273
00:52:35,980 --> 00:52:39,300
we do two hours of live dream interpretation.
1274
00:52:39,300 --> 00:52:41,700
So they can do what I just did for you.
1275
00:52:41,700 --> 00:52:44,580
You can hop on, share a dream.
1276
00:52:44,580 --> 00:52:47,660
We put in the comments, here's the stream yard link,
1277
00:52:47,660 --> 00:52:49,180
hop in, sometimes people like,
1278
00:52:49,180 --> 00:52:50,380
I don't wanna be on camera, great,
1279
00:52:50,380 --> 00:52:52,020
just write it in the comments.
1280
00:52:52,020 --> 00:52:53,500
And I'll spend two hours,
1281
00:52:53,500 --> 00:52:55,580
I usually bring one or two friends
1282
00:52:55,580 --> 00:52:58,340
that I've taught for two years or so.
1283
00:52:58,340 --> 00:53:00,060
And we'll interpret those dreams together.
1284
00:53:00,060 --> 00:53:02,420
But if people are always like, can I send you a dream?
1285
00:53:02,420 --> 00:53:04,060
The best way, probably the quickest way
1286
00:53:04,060 --> 00:53:06,540
is to hop on live dreams on Tuesday night,
1287
00:53:06,540 --> 00:53:08,540
every Tuesday, 6 p.m. Eastern.
1288
00:53:08,540 --> 00:53:10,260
But I also have the full Dreams
1289
00:53:10,260 --> 00:53:13,780
Through the Bible Studies series, that 22 episode,
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like Joseph saw the sun, moon, and 11 stars bow down to him.
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It takes me an entire hour to unpack
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all of the depth of what that means.
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It's crazy.
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And so we have all of those that's on there.
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It's a playlist called Dreams Through the Bible.
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I do some special events like around Christmas,
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Halloween, we'll do a couple of nightmares only,
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live dream interpretation,
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where if you're calling in, you have to have a nightmare.
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And we've done a couple of those.
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Those shows are really, really fun,
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because you hear some crazy off the wall,
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zombies and death and mayhem,
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and it's pretty interesting.
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But then I also have a show called Dream Talks,
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where I interview people whose lives have been changed
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by dreams and the intelligence in them.
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These are people that have solved murders.
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Wow.
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That are investors that have invested their money
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in the stock market and done so well
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by following their dreams
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that they were investigated by the SEC.
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Like these are people that have found their spouses,
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bought real estate, all these kinds of things
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that are in those interviews,
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which are super powerful and a whole lot of fun.
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And then, but at the beginning of 2021,
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I started, I had a friend working with me at the time,
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and we just decided to do the Bible.
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So it was the first take on the Bible study.
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The take that we have now is a remake,
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because it's a lot better, it's a lot more polished.
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But we also started what we call
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the spiritual intelligence mentorship,
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where we train people.
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There's a lot of stories, as you can imagine,
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that I can't share publicly,
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because of the names involved.
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Some of them had to do with the election,
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they had to do with major things that happened in our,
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some of them were national security,
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warnings that we had to get to the right people.
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I don't put that stuff out there,
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because we treat dreams like Intel.
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But if you're part of my spiritual intelligence mentorship,
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we can train you on using those examples,
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and we can show you real life things that happened
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when we were working with people in an administration,
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or in government, or sometimes in a three-letter agency.
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And we're able to share a few of the things of what happened,
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not that would compromise any information,
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but you can find more information about that
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at spiritualintel.com.
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But the best way to get in touch with me
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is Dream Life Decoded on YouTube, or spiritualintel.com.
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That's really cool.
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You know, John, we probably talked about half an hour
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before we hit record here,
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because there's so much to talk about.
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And I just kind of realized,
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oh, we need to actually record this.
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And so we didn't even touch part of the stuff
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that we planned to talk about.
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So if you're available, we'll find another time
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to go another level here.
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And that would be just wonderful.
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Yes, we didn't get to the story about your wife.
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We didn't get to your nightmares.
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I wanted to hear some nightmares from you.
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We need to do a show where we just spend most of the time
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talking about your dreams,
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because you've got a fascinating dream life, man.
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Yeah, I definitely do.
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And I just wanna encourage people right now
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that if you want to have dreams, start writing them down.
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When you wake up, don't let it pass by.
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I started a note in my phone just to keep track of things.
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And sometimes I'll write them down as well.
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But if God is speaking, we need to be ready to receive
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what he has, whether we understand it or not.
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And so we're gonna do more sessions to talk about
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your dream life decoded and my dream life too.
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So John, thanks so much for being here on Charisma News
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and looking forward to doing another session with you.
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Thanks again, John, always a pleasure.
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