How To Know If You Are Demonically Oppressed In Your Mental Health

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You're listening to the Charisma Podcast Network.

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I'm Shelby Bowen.

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Can demons cause mental health issues and negative thinking?

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We broke down this hot topic with Alexander Pagani in the deliverance ministry.

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Stay tuned to hear what he has to say about the difference between mental illness, a broken

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spirit and demonic oppression.

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What's the difference between a broken spirit, needing deliverance, mental health?

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Well, today we have some answers for you.

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I have a special guest, Alexander Pagani, and he's going to talk about everything from

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mental health to deliverance to what he feels God is doing in America.

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You don't want to miss.

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Stay tuned to the end.

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We will be praying and seeing what God has to say.

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So Alex, thank you for joining us here on Charisma News.

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We're honored to have you.

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I feel sorry for the devil today.

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I'm going to start off by saying that.

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No, but thank you so much for having me on.

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I love deliverance.

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I love Jesus, and I'm excited about where this interview and this dialogue is going

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to head so that way all of your viewers can either reawaken, revisit, or even get reformed

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in the area of the ministry of deliverance.

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Amen.

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You know, so many people have misconceptions about deliverance, what deliverance is, and

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I think it almost gets this bad rap.

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But deliverance is great.

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It brings freedom.

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It takes the captives out of bondage from the enemy, and it really helps you step into

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the freedom that God has in your life.

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So before we get into the deeper stuff, why don't you talk about what deliverance is and

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what it's not?

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Well, first and foremost, deliverance is not fighting the darkness.

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It's turning on the light.

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Deliverance is total dependence on the Holy Spirit to reveal the root of a problem and

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then giving you the strategy from which you can solve it.

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Now whether that's mental, emotional, soulish, spiritual, and demonic.

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And I think that the body of Christ has had a misunderstanding concerning the ministry

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of deliverance because it has only been centered around the devil.

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But I think the word salvation includes the word deliverance in it, you know, sozo, or

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rather fullness of healing and being set free.

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So I think the premise by which deliverance needs to be shared first and foremost is that

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it originates with the Holy Spirit and it's continued by the Holy Spirit.

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If and when the devil does peek his ugly head, well, then he's cast out.

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Now looking at it from the kingdom perspective, the ministry of deliverance is the military

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might of the kingdom of God invading the kingdom of darkness and forcibly either tearing it

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down or removing the strong man that is there or destroying the works of darkness.

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So in a nutshell, it's dual.

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You have the salvation, salvific aspect of it, and then you have the kingdom aspect of

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it of the perpetuation of the God invading kingdom of darkness and dismantling it and

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setting his people free.

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That's really useful.

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And you know, as you were talking, I was just thinking about you and I both know that the

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enemy wants to give deliverance a bad rap because he doesn't want people delivered.

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He wants them to be stuck in their bondage and not find the freedom in Jesus.

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So tell us a little bit about break this down for us.

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What is the difference or where do the lines cross between having a broken spirit, a mental

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health issue and needing deliverance?

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OK, first and foremost, the Bible says in Psalm 51, but also in Psalm two, Psalm 51

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first gives us the awareness that the human spirit can be broken.

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It is a broken spirit and a contrite heart.

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Now obviously, the word spirit can be synonymous with mind or emotion.

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So there's this interchangeable meaning of those words all throughout the Old Testament.

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But the word broken nonetheless is still there.

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If you go to Psalm two, it goes a little bit deeper and it actually says David is writing

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concerning his enemy.

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And then he says he uses the parallel of the enemy as a lion.

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He uses in this in this reference, the enemy is like a lion biting into me with their accusations.

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But then he says this, he says, he says, they tear my soul in pieces while there is none

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yet to deliver.

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Hidden in there, the Holy Spirit is letting us know that not only can the spirit be broken,

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but it can be broken in pieces.

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That makes total sense for the believer because the idea of salvation is wholeness.

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The whole idea of salvation is wholeness, wholeness.

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Luke chapter 13 talks about if your eye be single, then your body is full of light.

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Well that word single means wholeness or one.

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Well, James talks about a double minded man is unstable in all their ways.

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So it's all over scripture that your soul can either be single, whole, salvation, Holy

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Spirit living on the inside, or it can be fractured.

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It can be broken in multiple pieces.

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Now those pieces is what I believe is where Legion Mark chapter five actually enter in.

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You ask yourself, or those of you that are watching, where does Legion go when it inhabits

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a person?

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You're talking about 2000 entities.

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Let's just say a Roman Legion at the time would be 2000 soldiers.

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So when Jesus said, who are you?

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And he said, my name is Legion for we are many.

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Well where do these many souls go, malevolent entities go when it enters into a soul?

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Well I personally believe it goes into these fractured pieces.

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And these fractured pieces is what you and I would maybe see as potentially, not that

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it is, we're still exploring this, but I think it could be maybe the root cause of maybe

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multiple personality disorder or maybe schizophrenia or maybe some sort of maybe bipolar or personality

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disorder.

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I think that that's where they kind of go.

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And I think the human soul starts going through these levels of torture or emotional imbalance

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or chemical imbalance.

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I think that's kind of like where I believe the Holy Spirit might be showing me some stuff

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that it needs to be explored more.

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It's interesting as you're talking about that, I think right now we're living in this era

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where this is obsession with true crime and understanding the mind of a killer.

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But what all these shows and documentaries are missing is that this is a demonic issue

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and that these people need deliverance.

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And so it really seems to be a hot topic right now, understanding the mind behind these people

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who are doing these things, but they're missing the whole key and the whole point here.

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One question that I have, and you can help maybe break this down a little bit for me,

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is how do you know, sometimes when I read or I've heard people say, like a broken spirit,

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like almost kind of like God is leading you a season where maybe like things are being

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broken off, not that he's like breaking you apart in a bad way, but like worldly things

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or aspects of yourself that just need to be let go so he can rebuild you up stronger.

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Can you talk a little bit about that?

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Well, I think you answered it with what you just said.

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Anywhere the Holy Spirit will lead you will always end in peace.

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It will always end in some sort of healing.

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It will always end with some sort of intended beautiful future of where God is leading.

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And then there's a brokenness that comes either as the result of sin or generational curses

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or a malevolent entity is there that is actually causing the breaking, but the end doesn't

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lead to peace.

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An example of this is King Saul.

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The Bible says the Spirit of the Lord had departed.

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It had literally just had departed from King Saul and he was tormented by a spirit.

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If there is any other example that we can find a scripture of a man who was at times

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given over under the influence of a demon and then under the influence of maybe some

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sort of mental illness that was going on, it was in the life of King Saul.

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So you find, so the difference would be is that when it's a malevolent entity, its goal

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is always to destroy you.

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Leading a person to, let's just say committing the act of suicide or whatever, whatever.

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Its ultimate end is destruction.

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When it's emotional, it just leads to this place of perpetual depression and emotional

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instability.

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And no one's killing themselves as the direct result of that.

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There's just this anguish.

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It leads to an anguish moment, but not destruction.

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So I think when there's an entity that's there, ultimately that entity's goal is to cause

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the person to go off the deep end and just end everything.

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When it's an emotional situation, the person just ends in a place of perpetual anguish and

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they're just there, just deeply discouraged.

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David went through it.

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Why are you cast down?

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Oh, my soul, put your hope in God.

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He wasn't talking to a demon.

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He was talking to his soul.

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Put your hope in God.

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Not only that, the Bible also says when his men had lost their wives and their children,

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they talked about stoning him when the Philistines had took over Ziklag.

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The Bible says that David encouraged himself in the Lord his God.

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So when it's emotional, you can actually maybe break away from that with self-affirmation.

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You know, come on, snap out of that.

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You know what?

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God got you.

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But when it's a demon that's there, you could do all the self-affirmation that you want.

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That thought will be persistent because the thought is not coming from you.

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It's coming from an entity that's there.

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So you can sit there and try to encourage yourself, you know, come on, snap out of this.

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You got this.

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God got this.

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You still feel horrible.

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That thing is still there.

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That's how you know when it's a demon and it's not just emotional because emotions can

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be resolved by regulating those emotions, taking every thought captive to the obedience

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crisis.

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So you find yourself feeling a lot better after changing the way you speak and changing

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the way you eat.

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But when it's a demon that's there, you could change the way you eat, change everything,

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that thought would be persistent.

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So that's what I tell people.

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If the thought is persistent after you crucifying the flesh, taking control of your thoughts,

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putting yourself out of toxic environments, and it's still there, then you're not dealing

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with an emotional thing.

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You're dealing with a demonic thing.

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What should people do if they find themselves in that situation?

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Can they self-deliver or what do you recommend?

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Well, obviously self-deliverance.

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You know, I'm a deliverance minister, so I'm not too much of a fan of self-deliverance,

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too much.

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And I'm going to tell you why, because James chapter five says, confess your faults to

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one another, pray for one another that you may be healed.

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Let me give you an example of why I believe that at times self-deliverance is allowed

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by God and then other times he's requiring you to go to testimony.

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Because if you've got a spirit of pride that's on you and God is really trying to break that

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off of you, how can you break it unless you go and humble yourself and tell someone that

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you're being prideful?

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You see what I'm saying?

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So there are certain things you can be delivered from through self-deliverance.

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Like if I'm having a negative day and it's like this perpetual negative thought, so I

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find myself that God reveals to me, oh man, there's a demon of negativity that's really

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there, then I can renounce that and I could break that off of me by repentance and renouncing

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and verbally telling the devil, spirit of negativity, I bind you, release me now in

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Jesus name.

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I choose to think on the things of the Lord.

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And then you quote scripture, the things that we're mandated to do, the demon of leave.

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But when you're dealing with some of the more deeper potential strongholds, you might need

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to go to someone, a deliverance ministry and say, hey, can I sign up for a one-on-one session?

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I think it's both.

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So in the meantime, if you're, and those of you that are watching, if your church doesn't

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do deliverance and there's no present deliverance ministry within your area, then I would say

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then go through some self-deliverance bias of a good book, shameless plug here, a book

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called The Secrets to Deliverance by Alexander Pagani.

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All right, might be a good book authored and released by Charisma House.

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Amen.

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Go get that book and read it.

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There are prayers in there that you can pray and get yourself free.

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But if and when God allows you to encounter a deliverance ministry or a deliverance event

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or a deliverance minister, then I think you would probably be mandated or encouraged by

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God to get close to said ministry and go through some personal deliverance through a deliverance

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session.

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It's really, really helpful because I think, I mean, even for me, I've wondered, is this

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something that I could walk through by myself or do I need somebody else's help right now?

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So that really just makes it super clear and I think will encourage a lot of people.

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And again, for everyone who's watching The Secrets of Deliverance right here to Deliverance

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that you can get at mycharismashop.com.

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And this is so important.

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People need to know this information and not only for their own life but for everyone that's

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around them because not only do you need deliverance maybe for what you're going through, but there's

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people all over who do and you can help them.

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So kind of on that topic, like you said, you're a deliverance minister.

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This is obviously something that God's using you in.

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Where was this birthed out of?

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Me embracing the deliverance ministry for me is a unique story because I used to preach

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against it as a pastor.

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And I've been serving in the pastorate for 19 years, amazing church, New York City, there

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in the Bronx.

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And around 2004, I preached against it, not sure why.

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But around that time, the internet and social media and cell phones, when I first started

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pastoring, we didn't have cell phones.

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There was no such thing as internet.

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So I've been privileged to be able to watch the changing of modern civilization into the

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digital era.

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With that came an influx and a flood of pornography that hit our church.

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I needed to get free, but my theology couldn't embrace it.

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A Christian can have a demon.

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I said, I'm a pastor, I need to get free.

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I got really free.

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I just said, you know what, I'm going to take our leadership through deliverance.

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I wasn't planning on embracing being the deliverance guy.

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I just wanted our people to get free.

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when Jesus would tell the blind man, don't tell nobody, he'd go and tell everybody.

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Word began to spread that we were the only church at that time in the Bronx publicly

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doing deliverance.

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saying, hey, can you help us?

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We're about to go on a mission field, and we want to make sure we ain't got no demons.

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a stage of its development with, you know, online.

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And now it's an unstoppable force to be reckoned with that the body of Christ is either get

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on this wave of deliverance or get hit with the tsunami.

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Like, that's just where it's at.

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It is so clear.

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I mean, when you go on social media, you see there really is this move of people doing

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deliverance on social media.

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But before we get into that, you said something that I just want to take a minute to honor

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and just really give a moment to, and it was as a pastor being able to be vulnerable and

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confess what you were going through, which I feel so many people who aren't even pastors,

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they might just be church attendants or just be Christians, feel this internal struggle

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of like if they say that they have issues with certain things that it's going to ruin

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their life, no one's going to care what they have to say.

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a real person.

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This isn't a robot.

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This is someone who struggled.

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They found freedom.

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And I just want to take a minute and honor that.

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Yeah, you know, last week, about two weeks ago, I was with my bishop and we were at our,

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you know, one of our conferences there and I was one of the guest speakers, you know,

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and my bishop had before he introduced me, he had the session before and he was talking

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about confessing our faults to one another.

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they opened up, but they weren't really opening up.

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So as soon as I grabbed the mic, I began to become transparent about my struggles as an

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itinerant influential figure globally that yeah, I go through pressure to perform, you

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know, stage fright.

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I just begin to just share all of that and out of nowhere, one by one, pastors started

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coming up sharing their struggles.

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And I even gave them the mic and they just started publicly admitting drinking alcohol,

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struggling with pornography, like a sovereign move of freedom hit the church, that prophets

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were being honest that they're drinking and just getting set free.

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And this was because the Holy Spirit told me this about maybe six years ago.

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He told me, if you would be more transparent, you just might help save a generation.

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And that's what the Holy Spirit told me.

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So I think online, I think we started becoming a little bit more honest as we teach and preach.

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If there's anything that anybody can say about Pagani is, man, that brother is real, like

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he is raw, he is honest, but it's not like venting and letting out my dirty laundry.

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It's more like, come on, if we're going to get free, let's get free for real.

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And it can only be done by being 100%, at least what I call limited transparency, just

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pastors be a little bit more honest.

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And I want to encourage every pastor and leader, if you're watching, you feel like, you know,

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there's no way around it.

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The step for your freedom is only the direct result of confession.

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Now, I get it.

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The church is not a safe place.

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I get it.

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To be transparent, I totally understand it.

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You're always going to put yourself at risk when you become transparent.

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Here's what I'm going to offer to you guys.

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In the description after this interview is done, my email will be placed there.

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Feel free to write to me.

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I don't have my hand in the game and anything with you.

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It's just you being able to tell me your story and say, yeah, I'm dealing with this.

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I have nobody to talk to.

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I promise you I won't use it against you or anything.

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Just allow us to be an outlet for a moment to at least begin the process of your deliverance,

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especially those of you in the clergy.

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I've heard it all.

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Trust me, I've heard it all.

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And I'll carry it with me to prayer.

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Just write to me.

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Don't drown, pastor, and don't die without getting meaning ministerially die because

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you have nowhere to get free from.

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Just write to me and say, man of God, I'm dealing with X, Y, and Z, and I'll pray with

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you.

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And then after that, I promise you I'll delete that email and your secret will stay between

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you and me and the Holy Spirit.

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But listen, don't, don't drown.

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God has allowed you to watch this broadcast.

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He's an outlet for you to get set free and your ministry will survive and get to the

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next level once you get delivered and set free.

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Write to me.

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Wow.

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Can't tell, but I got goosebumps.

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I really feel like this is the Holy Spirit really wanting to speak to somebody about

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that.

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It reminded me of Joel 2 where God talks about having the outward expression of repentance,

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not just an inward expression, but an outward, like physically tearing your garments.

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You're repentant.

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And so that requires an action.

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So that was very powerful.

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Thank you for doing that.

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And again, we'll put the email below so that you can reach out and do that.

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So now I want to talk about, before I get to my last question, I have one more question

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about deliverance.

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Can everyone do deliverance?

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Is there guidelines?

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What should people know?

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Yes.

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Everyone has been mandated by Mark chapter 16, the end portion of Mark 16, where preach

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the gospel and these signs will follow them that believe.

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In my name, the first one that's there is they shall cast out devils.

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You don't need to be from a special pedigree.

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You don't have to have special permission.

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You don't have to be finished Bible school and do all of those things to cast out a demon.

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Let me tell you something about demons.

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They don't care about the plaques on your wall.

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All they care about is does Jesus know you and how much light are you filled with?

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Because they are creatures and entities of darkness.

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And the Bible says the darkness comprehends not the light.

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So depending on how much light you have, which means spending time in God's presence will

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depend on the effectivity of the deliverance session, which means they're looking to first

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of all, Jesus, I know Paul, I know, but who are you?

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If you're known by Christ, you're good.

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If your name is written in that lamb's book of life, then you're good.

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At least you're registered.

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Second is spending time with Christ.

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You don't need special permission to do that.

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Now I would say this, if you feeling like God is calling you to specialize your ministry

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in teaching and preaching and training people in the ministry of deliverance, that's different.

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That will require a different set of requirements, a different set of rules to be able to make

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that happen.

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Because when it comes to that level of ministry, you have to be sent and not went.

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So you have to be submitted under accountability, under a leadership.

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You have to have been receiving some sort of training.

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You have to have been part of the deliverance ministry for quite some time and serve under

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someone who's doing deliverance ministry that you could go to know the ins and outs.

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And obviously we know that Paul had a Timothy, Elijah had an Elisha.

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That's different.

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So if you're feeling like you're called specifically like myself to the ministry of deliverance,

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then I would say put the bricks first, talk to your pastor, talk to your leader, talk

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to your person that holds you accountable, spend time with God, get around deliverance

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ministries such as ours and Isaiah Saldivar and Vlad Savchuk and Mike Signarelli and the

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Daniel Adams and all of us that are kind of doing it.

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Get enrolled in some of our mentoring and deliverance training.

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I have a school of deliverance that's out there.

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I also have a school of the prophets.

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Those of you feel called to the prophetic ministry, that's different.

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But as far as the devil acting up in your day to day life and in the life of your family,

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you don't need permission for that.

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The devil comes around your territory, roll up your sleeves, cast it out, use the name

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of Jesus and watch, watch the devil is going to flee.

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So for the average, everyday Christian, as far as your family within your jurisdiction,

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you don't need permission.

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You just need to be a believer.

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But when it comes to specializing teaching and training others or that you feel that

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your ministry might primarily focus on deliverance, then that's a different set of rules.

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And I would say find and get connected with someone who could hold you accountable and

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get trained and mentored in it.

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Now can people find that information in schools that you were talking about on your website?

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Yes.

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If you go to www.alexanderpagani.com, you'll find the school of the prophets.

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That's what we're promoting, at least right now.

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And then also, well you could just go online.

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Follow us in all of our social media handles that will be in the description of this video.

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Primarily our online ministry deals with deliverance.

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I'm a Hindu, I serve as an apostle over Amazing Church Global.

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So you're going to find other things pertaining to pouring into pastors and leaders.

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That's my passion.

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I'm a church planter at heart.

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We're overseeing nine churches.

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We're about to birth two more churches.

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So everything is not about deliverance on our social media platforms, but primarily you'll

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find a lot of information on deliverance on all of our social media platforms.

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So yeah, I'd say just go look us up and get trained and activated.

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Or reach out to me by email.

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We're in the process of maybe potentially initiating a real detailed online mentoring

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in deliverance program for those who feel like they just need a little bit more specific

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training in that.

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So just get part of our email listing and then you'll be notified when that initiative

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gets initiated.

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Wow.

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Well, this has been incredible.

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Thank you for sharing everything that you have gleaned from the Lord and all of your

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time in ministry.

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Before we finish, I just wanted to give you a minute to kind of share your prophetic sense

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on what you feel like God is saying in this next season.

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And also if you would just pray for everyone.

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Amen.

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So here's what I believe the Holy Spirit has impressed upon my heart as to for the year

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of 2023 and it will be a time and the rise of the Jehosh.

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The rise of the wild ones who will be sanctioned by God to be able to confront systems that

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have been oppressing God's people and they're not going to have that religious piety and

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policy minded like most of us have that we're always thinking about the rules and the regulations.

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Now I'm not talking about a revolutionary, but I am talking about the rise of a reformer.

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It's not called the Protestant revolution.

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It's called the Protestant reformation.

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Because a revolutionary wants to destroy the system and implement a new system.

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A reformer wants to upgrade the system and it can only be done when God raises up someone

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who has a very militant no nonsense.

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I don't care about the rules and regulations of none of that.

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All I know is we're here to obey God and these group of individuals are not going to be restrained

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by religion.

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They're not going to be boggled down by church tenants and dogma of various denominational

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mainline denominations.

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And I'm not talking about insurrection.

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I'm not talking about people usurping pastoral and ecclesiastical authority.

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No, I'm not talking about that because that's unauthorized.

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But I am talking about someone who would be fearless, whose personalities you're going

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to see the rise of people immensely anointed, but whose personalities are not refined like

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Jehu.

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Jehu, there's a difference between Elijah and then a Jehu.

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As much as Elijah was bold, he was afraid of Jezebel.

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He just finished confronting 850 false prophets and had them all killed afterwards.

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And then one message from Jezebel and he takes off running.

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Why?

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Because in that prophetic group there, there's this submission to particular rules and regulations.

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She's the queen mother and he had to run.

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Jehu doesn't care about none of that stuff.

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And careless, you're going to see a wave of digital Jehus who will be able to confront

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systems of religion, systems of sin, systems of Jezebelic systems.

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And they're going to actually be the ones to actually tear it down.

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But at the same time, be anointed by God for that task.

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It's not going to replace the prophetic movement.

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Remember Elijah and Elisha were alive during the time of Jehu.

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Elisha was alive during the time.

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You don't see God being against Elisha.

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But Elisha and Elijah played too much into the politics of the church.

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In 2023, you're going to see a wave of deliverance or just a wave of ministers who are not going

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to play those politics anymore.

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And no one is going to be able to write them off saying, don't listen to that ministry.

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They're rebellious.

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People are still going to listen to them.

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Even churches where their pastors are against those ministries, their own leadership are

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still going to listen to these ministers.

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Why?

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Because there is a hunger.

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There is a desire in churches, even churches that don't do revival and might have lost

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their cutting edge in their spirit or anything prophetic.

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You're going to find that even in those camps, there's a group of people that are desiring

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that and the only way that that's going to change is going to require there to be a Jehu.

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So I prophetically believe that there's going to be a wave of raw personality, but anointed

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to confront systems and shake things up and no one is going to be able to stop them.

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And social media will be the means by which this is done.

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And then you're going to find these main line and you can mark my words in this one.

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This one I believe strongly is you're going to find what I call anomalies in events, which

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means you're going to have these main line events that normally invite their normal,

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you know, the same preachers that they normally invite.

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And then you're going to find that one invited speaker in that event that doesn't fit the

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rest.

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These particular movements in churches are going to do their normal yearly events and

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then they're going to have that one guest.

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There's going to be like two or three of the same people coming that they always invite

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yearly to preach at the church.

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And then they're going to be this one guy or this one gal and they're going to be like,

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why did you invite this person?

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And they're going to be like, the Holy Spirit told me to invite this person, but they don't

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preach and they don't talk about our stream of the way that we do things.

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And these particular men and women of God that are putting these events together are

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going to say, I know this, but the Holy Spirit is telling me, invite this one.

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And it's because these particular individuals are going to come and they're going to be

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the catalyst that's going to be needed to be able to take that church and those events

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and those that are in attendance to that next level.

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And they're going to have that Jehu anointing.

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So it'll be the year of the Jehus.

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That's what I genuinely believe, but not bad Jehus, good Jehus.

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Man, I know a lot of people I've been talking to and they are really hungry for that, ready

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to see that old torn down and really that new arise people who are unashamed to preach

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the truth and obey what God has to say because-

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And really bring change.

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Yeah.

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And really bring the change, not talking about the change because sometimes the church is

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caught up with that we're in the change because we're talking about change.

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Now, talking about change is not change.

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Actually making the change is change.

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And I have found that you have to be built a particular way to be able to bring that

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type of change because it's going to require every ounce of your being to be able to facilitate

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that change when there is a whole culture or whole church that is anti or maybe not

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understand that change.

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It's going to require a Jehu to say, you know what?

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I'm done with Jezebel.

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You guys keep tolerating her.

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I'm here to take her out.

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And we're going to see that next year, but it's going to be different.

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It's not going to be done in rebellion.

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It's going to be done actually sanctioned by God.

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So if you're watching me and you feel that this is you, as a matter of fact, some of

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you that are watching me now have been, your spirit has been stirred for two reasons.

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One, you're a Jehu.

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God has really been speaking to you in the area of your dreams.

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Your spirit has been stirred or you've been, as you watch videos online and get connected

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to and been exposed to various ministries, your spirit is also saying, I'm part of that

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group.

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Let me, let me, let me take a few moments to pray for you.

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So father in the name of Jesus, father, I'm so grateful Lord for the Jehus that are watching

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right now, Lord.

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And those that are hungry and their hunger has turned to groaning.

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They are now groaning for shift and a change, Lord, and a turning of the page to the next

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thing that you're going to do.

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Father, I'm praying like that.

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This moment of prayer would serve as a confirmation to them.

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Father, stir their spirit up and release them, Lord.

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Release them, Lord.

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Father, I open the gate.

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I open the gate of that flame, Lord.

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Father convert them from an oven to a blazing inferno, Lord.

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For too long, Lord, religion has, Lord, put a door to their flame like a oven, Lord.

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Father, we break them out of the oven of religion, Lord, and we release them to a forest fire,

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Lord.

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Lord, let their fire ablaze, Lord.

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Set them ablaze, Lord, right now.

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I humbly ask you in the name of Jesus, Lord.

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And Father, may that Jehu that's listening heed the call to confront that which is hindering

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the body of Christ.

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Lord, whether it's in person through itinerant ministry, whether it's in their local church

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by sparking the change in their church, or whether it's through digital means, Lord,

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let them obey and heed the call, the clarion call from heaven, Lord.

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Start them up, Lord, and transition them from revival to reformation, Lord.

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Let the reformer arise, Lord, and let them embrace that call like a Nazarite.

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Lord, let them embrace the Nazarite vow to be the catalyst of reformation, Lord, in this

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present day and age.

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And may they be judges amongst the evangelical churches, Lord, like the Samsons of their

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day, Lord, like the Gideons of their day, Lord, like the Deborahs of their day, who

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were judges in Israel, Lord.

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Let this generation that's watching be judges for your people, Lord, in 2023.

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In Jesus' mighty name, amen.

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Sorry, I got caught up there.

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I got inspired.

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You didn't get caught up any time, because that was great.

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I was about to go, Rokonurubu.

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I was about to go down this path, you know, but I held myself back a little bit.

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You never have to hold yourself back here.

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We're all about it.

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We want people to have it all.

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So this has been amazing.

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So I know this is super useful for people and walking into that next step and excited

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to see what 2023 has to hold for the churches and the body of Christ.

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I want to encourage them also, follow all of our social media handles.

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I want to see you on our Facebook, TikTok and Instagram.

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Yeah, I know I follow and I'm always just amazed at everything that you're putting out.

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So thank you for what you're doing for God and for glorifying His kingdom.

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We're excited to hear about it and share it.

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And for everyone watching, I just pray that you are blessed in Jesus' name.

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