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Jan. 31, 2024
God Is Using AR/AI with Jennifer Richey (S:3 - Ep 66)
Today on Exploring the Marketplace, Shawn Bolz and Bob Hasson interview Jennifer Richey. Jennifer is a technology futurist and entrepreneur, Her first foray into technology was as the CFO of Tometa Software. From this, Jennifer went on to assume the same role at PlayXpert, a gaming company which helped spearhead the formation of Gravity Jack. Tune in as Shawn, Bob and Jennifer discuss how God encountered her that anchored her deeply in Him that changed her marriage and their business. Hear amazing stories of how God stepped in their business at the last minute but it was exactly what they needed. Jennifer shares some of the common misconceptions of AI/AR, how it should not be feared but used as a tool that we can use to advance His Kingdom. Tune in!
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Transcript
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Welcome to Exploring the Marketplace Show, where we're creating a conversation for what
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God's doing to Christians in the marketplace.
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I'm Shawn Bolz, and my co-host is Bob Hasson.
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We interview everyday influencers, business leaders, and entrepreneurs from all areas
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of industry, exposing you to powerful stories of what God's doing to people just like you.
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We're also sharing our thoughts about what God's doing in finance, business, entertainment,
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and politics.
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Come join the conversation now.
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Welcome to Exploring the Marketplace.
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I'm Bob Hasson with my good friend Shawn Bolz.
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Sean, what are we doing on the show today?
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You know what's funny, Bob, is I love augmented reality, and I love virtual reality and AI,
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and so many Christians are terrified of the space.
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But today, our guest is Jennifer Richie and Jennifer and her husband, Luke.
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They are actually going after the space in a profound way.
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They have a company called Gravity Jack, and Jennifer is from Southern California, which
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is where we're at.
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She's in the Northwest now, and her husband started this company back in 2009, which is
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making video games now in the augmented reality space with AI.
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I think it's just profound because her husband had this incredible, separate, but the same
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time encounter just a few years ago in 2019 that changed everything in their life and
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really grounded them and anchored them to Christ.
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That's actually brought a different level of opportunity because of that.
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God redeemed all things, even the stuff that they had going on in the company years before
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that's in the past, they had in this space.
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All came full circle for what they're doing now.
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But if you're a fan or maybe you're against AI, it's good to listen to people who are
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in the space, either way, who are being led there by God in their relationship with God
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to do something that not everyone's doing.
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And next, we have Jennifer Richie.
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Welcome back, Shawn.
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We're here with Jennifer Richie.
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Jennifer, we're so happy to have you.
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Thanks for having me, guys.
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Well, I'm excited to talk to you because I love the AI space.
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I love video games.
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I love artificial intelligence.
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And AR is so different because it's brand new and not a lot of people have been understanding
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it fully yet.
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And you guys have been pioneering this like your husband started this company, I believe,
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all the way back and, or did you start together and back in 2002, 2003?
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So long ago.
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Together, this company, we started in 2009.
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We had another company that started in, you know, to the kind of acquired and then gravity
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jack started in 2000.
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Okay.
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It's a nine though.
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And I guess it's been dreaming and building with God.
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But I want to take us back because you had a really profound encounter with God and you
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guys were, it changed the course of your whole marriage, of course, your family, the course
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of your business.
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And I think it's so great for people to hear that because like when you're going after
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a space that's new and then God interrupts it as usually for God purpose.
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So even what you're building now is so on target with what something that no one would
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have thought of only God.
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And I just think that's so important.
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But you guys back that encounter and tell us the story.
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Yeah, I feel like it's a little early on in this podcast to have tears that they're coming.
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And before God came and got me in 2019, I didn't used to cry.
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So my daughter now is like, you talk about it like it's a badge of honor.
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And I'm like, it is.
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So if tears happen, sorry.
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But 2019, so I'm a first generation Christian, my family and still praying for them.
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They have a very close relationship, love them, but faith in the Lord just was never
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a part of my upbringing.
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My older brother suffered the Christ about two months ago, though, whole nother beautiful
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story.
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But as a first generation Christian, my husband and I got married when I was 20.
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And you can always look back and see where the Lord was, was nudging you and guiding
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you.
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And we wanted something different for our kids, for our family.
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So we went to church and I went to Bible studies and our kids went to Christian school
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and we did all the things you were supposed to do.
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But there was no relationship.
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There just wasn't.
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I didn't even know at the time what it could even look like.
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So I have this heart now for believers who don't know, who don't have the fire, who
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don't have the relationships, who isn't.
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It's not all forfeit for him like it is now.
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And in 2019, my husband, I've been married 21 years, passion, love, adventure, never
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a problem with us.
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But you can only go so far when the Lord's not at the top of your priorities.
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And we separated to get a divorce and separately separate homes, separate, separate environments
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had our own encounters.
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And it wasn't until 2019 that I ever fully repented.
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I'm sorry.
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And I was a good person, but not repentance where it's full.
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I look back at some of the things that I did and I'm like, how, how do you get there?
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But when you're living this lukewarm, Satan owns the fence life, it's only a matter of
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time before he swoops in and it was just becoming of the world and not in it.
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And so he ripped us out and put us on solid ground.
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And from that point forward, there was, I mean, because it was hurts with our kids.
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And I mean, he has, I don't like using the word redemption because that implies restoration,
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you're brought back to something that was and what we have now in our marriage with
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our children are, it's far greater, far greater than anything we could have had.
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And he just keeps one thing after another, you know, and we went through some trials,
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I will say in 2019, it got really, really rough.
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I mean, our daughter had run away for a few weeks, I was still in communication, but she
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was gone.
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Business was not great.
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We ended up in a lawsuit, shareholders buying out a partner.
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So it wasn't like, oh God came and it was rainbows and butterflies.
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You know, however, I will say inside was rainbows and it was peace.
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You know, the scripture of walking a valley with, I don't know how people can, you can't
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put it into words until you've been in that valley and actually walked it and still had
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joy and peace.
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We had a gal who worked with us, who was a believer and she came into our office crying,
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crying and she's like, oh, this is happening with this client and this with the attorneys
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and this with the lawsuits.
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And she's like, I don't, how are you guys holding it together?
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And we're like, let's just, can I pray for you?
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She's like, how are you doing this?
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And I'm not saying that to toot our own horn because that nothing to do with us.
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It was 100% the Lord and I wouldn't trade any of those trials because what comes out
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of it?
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I mean, that's when we get sharpened.
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You know, I have to ask you what, what was the catalyst or what was the encounter?
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You don't have to go, if it's personal, you don't have to go too deeply into it.
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But I think it's so profound that something anchored you so deeply that like another believer
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is coming to the office and not as anchored.
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And but you guys are, something's just unshakable inside of you.
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What was the encounter?
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Like what, what did God reveal to you or how did he show up?
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I mean, it was, for me, it was a series of moments over a course of time, but that, that
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like dark to light, it was genuinely the best way that I can, I can say it is, is it's like
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blinders that literally it's like it's a cartoon that they just thought it was deception.
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I was in this cloud and shroud of deception in many different areas where, you know, oh,
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it's okay to do these things because you're doing them together with your husband.
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Like what?
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No, it doesn't matter.
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You stand before the throne of the father alone, you know, in your, in face to face to, to
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account for the things you've done good, bad and otherwise.
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And it, so for me, it really was just a full revealing.
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I remember going on a walk the day after with my mother in law, who I'm very close with.
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And she's like, something's different.
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I go, ma, I know so much is different.
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And it was just everything, just revelation, revelation of all kinds of different things.
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And that's the best way that I can attempt to put it into words is that my eyes were
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just open, which also gave me as heart during COVID.
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There was a lot of deception through the COVID years.
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And the flesh wants to be judgmental of how can they not see this?
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What?
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It didn't fill in the blank.
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There were so many things to choose from.
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And I did how hard I had a heart because I walked in that deception.
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Completely and fully.
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And I mean, even self deception at many leverage, like the whole not crying thing, it was this
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guarded protection, not facing, not addressing them, not looking into them, not looking inward.
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There were so many things where that's why even like that, that revealing was is so raw
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for me that I believe that's why I feel so different.
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And one encounter like that, and you had a series of like one encounter, I say this
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to Bob a lot.
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I mean, what happens in therapy, which I fully believe in therapists, but what happens in
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therapy over 100 appointments can happen in the same way that happens in one encounter
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with God.
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It's good.
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I think if people understood that when we pursue God that we are going to encounter him
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through the word, through spiritual experience, I mean, look at your life.
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I just, I love that because it's more authentic that you can't even describe it exactly because
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it's such a, it's so spiritual, it's hard to put into words.
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I think of the book of Revelation where John's trying to describe what Jesus looked like.
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He's like fire and, you know, his feet are like bonds.
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It's like so ridiculous.
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And yet it's the most important book of Revelation.
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I just think it's wild.
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So go ahead, Bob.
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Jennifer, I was going to say that you're involved in AR and AI.
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So I would imagine you have a great imagination.
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And then to have the Lord lift the deception off you and show you that you're a love son,
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a daughter of God, that your identity is that.
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And then no matter whether you move to the left or the right, you're still a love daughter
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of God.
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The performance must have just fallen away from you.
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And the reality of what's true, right, real and good came to you.
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And at the same time, or in the same timeframe came to your husband to heal your marriage
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and bring your business back together.
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It's just a beautiful story.
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Where are you guys at now as you've moved through this incredible identity to what you're doing
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now?
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Where are we in which facet?
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In the facet of your marriage and your business and your...
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All of them.
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Oh, wow.
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So what?
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I see on your face where you are, but you've been redeemed and restored, which was a word
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that you said we haven't been, it's all new.
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Yeah, completely new.
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But when you're here for the first time, you've had this beautiful restoration.
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So I was not planning on sharing this, but let the Lord lead wherever.
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In 2018, when things were not so great between my husband and I, backing up a couple of things.
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We were in like a Bible study group years back and met with a couple and they said,
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you always want to put your marriage first.
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Always put your marriage first.
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It will trickle down to the children.
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It will bless them.
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They did it at all these things and we're like, okay, okay, we're young.
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Do what the older people say.
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And what's really unfortunate about that bit of advice is God was nowhere on that tier.
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He wasn't like, no, you don't.
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So we put our marriage first to our detriment, to be honest.
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But you have to put the father first individually, together as a family's marriage business, everything.
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He's first, everything.
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And so anyone listening, if you want to put your marriage first, put God above that.
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But in 2018, so I don't necessarily get visions and dreams.
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You know, quite like my husband gets them often.
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We just all have our different walks.
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In 2018 though, I had this vision so much.
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And so this was pre the Lord coming and getting me 2019.
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So it was even harder to put into words then.
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And it was this feeling.
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It wasn't a vision per se, but it was this all consuming, clear knowledge of a marriage that we would have that was, I mean, just trust to a level that I didn't know was possible.
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Like I could just feel it in my spirit and my mind and joy and my contentment in no matter what.
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In all of this, it was just goodness.
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I mean, it was such goodness for our marriage.
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And I try to put it, I don't look, the story is happening, huh?
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But I tried to articulate to him and I'm like, there's something more.
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There's something, because, you know, when you're in a tough time in your marriage, the whole, I'm like, clearly what we had got us to this point.
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How could we get to a spot where we trust each other?
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I hung on to it.
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I mean, it was weirdly, I would have bet it all on it, right?
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And then, you know, fast forward a year later and I had this realization that I still believed that thing, feeling that marriage that was possible, but it also takes choosing.
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And I just came to this point where I thought, I don't think he's choosing that, right?
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And then of course, God comes in redeem.
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So to specifically answer your question, there is this worse.
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We're genuinely, I can say, we fail, we mess up.
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I'm not saying we're perfect, but we are rooted in him first.
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And that just changes everything.
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You know, you can be in an argument where one just comes and says, I mean, we don't like screaming yell at all anymore.
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But you could be in a discussion and it's, okay,
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let's pray instantly.
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The other person, you know, you're not going to say no, you're going to turn down prayer, but it just instantly diffuses everything because we pray about everything.
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Especially 2019, like that valley we walked through.
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I mean, our office, we're in the same room and our chairs were near each other.
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And I mean, we'd spend chairs, I need to pray.
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He'd spend chairs, I need to pray.
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I have a call, let's pray.
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We need a check to come in.
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I've got, I mean, we prayed all the time, constantly, before and after everything.
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And so that has been a massive transition.
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How we do things with our business, same.
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We need to pray about this.
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Let's lift this up.
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Like having a chaplain, having a prayer team that's actually on board.
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And we had a prayer meeting this morning with the team.
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Now we're not going to push our faith on anyone.
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That's not, you know, what we'll do.
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But it's pretty hard to hide when you're selling them with the Lord.
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Like it's pretty hard to hide.
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And so we just threw it out there.
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You know, hey, we're going to be doing these Monday prayers.
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If anybody wants to join, you know, people join.
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So everything, our children, I mean, our daughter just got married and her daughter has been.
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Thank you.
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Asked if they could, or downstairs kind of has a kitchenette bedroom.
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And they asked if they could live down there for the first year to save up for a house.
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Like if that isn't a new level of a family.
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Like what a gift that they would want to do that.
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You know, and to be with us.
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So such a loaded, loaded question with many answers because it's all changed.
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All changed.
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Well, I think I am so appreciative that you'd share so vulnerability about it.
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Because I think there are so many people who are like, they're, they're wondering, is there,
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is there a vision for our future?
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Is there, is there a God vision that we can grab ahold of that's not just me trying to do a five year plan?
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If I work really hard and hustle for five years, my marriage will be this.
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And we do have to do the work.
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And we do have to do the work, but I mean, there's this place of like faith.
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That's the thing that we have the secret sauce of Christianity is that we are going to be led
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by a father who loves us into places we couldn't get to without him.
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And you guys have that happen.
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Well, talk real fast about that 2019 year.
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Because I know like you guys, you're, you're living out of this place of like,
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beyond restoration, believing for God.
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And then your business gets slammed really hard.
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It sounds like kind of an inside job.
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So bad.
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And so talk about like, because you guys are all the way through it now.
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But I like what the judge even said.
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So talk about like that period of time where you guys are facing like,
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we might lose our dream.
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We might lose this whole thing.
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But then God came to tell us, just give us a little nutshell.
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So many different things from a financial perspective.
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I think when you said it comes from the inside,
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I don't even know that that was the enemy though.
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I'm sure it was and he's trying to wreak all kinds of havoc.
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But as far as revenue drying up, I mean, I would be okay.
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Even if the Lord was like, Hey, I'm gonna just stop this.
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So you guys can still lean in and trust me on these things.
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And at one of the times in there, so things were financially getting really tough.
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We had had struggles getting contracts.
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And it was literally like, and God spoke very clearly.
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So March 2019, this happens, you know, Luke, my husband was thinking,
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okay, I got to go into counseling.
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Like let's do these other things now that we've got the Lord.
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And God was very clear.
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This is my company.
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Gravity Jack is my company.
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I am the captain of the ship.
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And so we both had a piece about that, like, okay, what do we do, Lord?
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And it was just constantly leaning in and asking him.
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I also said, I haven't had to make a major decision since 2019.
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Like you really don't.
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The major decisions have to be made.
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But when you're taking them earnestly to prayer,
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okay, did you get an answer?
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No, then we stand.
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And we would keep standing until we got an answer from the Lord.
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And so things were rough financially to the point like, okay,
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we're major layoffs shifting the company, possibly even closing the doors.
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Like it was not bad.
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And so Luke's kind of at this point where he's like, okay, you know,
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we got to do what we got to do.
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And we, it's Friday, payroll is getting pulled out of the account by end of day that day.
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And we were like 17,300 and something weird short.
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And I just knew my spirit though, God spoke.
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No, this is, you're not going to get it.
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I'm not closing this company down.
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This is my company.
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And so it's five o'clock end of the day.
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And I had this moment where I was so sad and okay, I'm gonna cry.
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And it wasn't because we might close the doors.
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I was, I was like, did I hear him wrong?
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That was what I was sad about was I thought I heard him wrong,
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but it was so clear.
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It was so clear.
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So we go downstairs, we're walking out the door and I'm completely just
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speechless thinking, did I, I still struggling.
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Did I hear him wrong?
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I was like Liu Open's up the mail on our way out.
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And there's a check in the mailbox for $17,500 from a client we have not worked with in like
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six months, we're like, what?
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Do we cash it?
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And I'm like, yes, she can catch it.
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Like absolutely cause the bank doesn't close the 530,
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get the check in, things to open, email the client, you know, got this check.
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And she's like, Oh, I forgot to reach out to you.
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I had extra money in my budget.
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If I didn't spend it, I would lose it.
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I knew I could park it with you guys and we would do something, you know, in the next few months.
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And I'm like, oh, Lord, that's not a God thing.
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What does that happen?
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There's so many miracles in that year.
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And then another thing. So long story short, I felt like a hostile takeover, you know, partners at the time, they had changed some language at the last minute and a contract back in 2013 that worded things very ambiguously to where they could potentially
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kick us out of our own company. I mean, I'm super summarizing everything.
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And the other shareholders basically stepped in and said, no, you can't.
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And so they, we had a shareholder lawsuit against these gentlemen, because they're like, you know, you're in real estate and you're a financial guy, you how are you going to run a tech company?
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That's not the best for the company to have the founders who founded it on tech to run the company. And so they did a shareholder lawsuit to basically say, you can't, you know, kick them out.
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And then to kind of settle the case, we had 60 days to raise $500,000 to buy them out, signed over all the things.
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So this is say 2019 summer was not a summer.
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I don't remember any of it, but it was literally day 60. The last, you know, as a pool of investors, we meet with all these, we had all phone calls, zoom all the time.
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It was the 60th day of that, you know, timeline that we had to buy him out, drove to the bank with a cashier's check at like 440pm before the end of the day on Friday to buy this.
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I'd like to midnight hour, it looks like. I used to joke with Luke, like he likes to have us like right on the edge of a cliff, you know, when you're, you're waving your art, he doesn't even want us on the head.
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He's like, you guys are going to hang over a little bit.
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She does air shooting and stuff. So she understands the fly.
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Yeah, yeah, me standing on the end of a cliff, I'd be like, Oh, it's kind of cool. But then hanging over it. I'm like, all right, that's a little scary.
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Well, tell us about Gravity Jack and tell us about AI and AR as we were beginning to wrap this up and let our listeners and viewers know, what are you guys doing? What are you building?
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So for those who don't know, I'll do a quick thing about augmented reality is because that's what we were founded on 2009 and have patents in the space again, totally the Lord where he's like, Hey, back here.
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Yeah, I'm going to use that because I've been using it all along. You just have been blind to it.
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But augmented reality is putting digital content into the real world. So some people think of it like Snapchat or face filters where you can open up your mouth and like rainbows come out or little antlers are on your face.
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They're not really there. You're augmenting reality by adding digital content to the live camera view or if I'm shopping for a couch for my living room, I can hold my device up over here, tap and then I can see different couches displayed if I want to shop for couches.
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So that's what augmented reality is. We work with a ton of different clients over the years, fortune 50 companies, Kraft, Heinz, Ford, Department of Defense, all kinds of things.
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And we also do virtual reality. That's where you have headsets where you're taken away digitally. And so we've created all of these phenomenal use cases for clients and games one client we even they made 35 million a month.
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This.
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Wow.
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We could have had equity in the company. It's painful, but it's God's plan.
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And so we're at this point where gravity Jack is going to be doing our own thing. And within it is a game called War Tribe of Benjamin. There are many, many God moments here to mechanics lore that have been dropped in dreams and visions.
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It's got the lore of the game is very CS Lewis like where you can see the story woven through and the bad guy is an artificial intelligence within the game. Isis who doesn't like humanity. He wants to destroy humanity. He wants to take over humanity and all of Earth.
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Remind you of anyone.
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And it's me. One of the taglines is like this is a war that has been raging from, you know, in the past and will continue to rage into millennia. So he's in the future trying to destroy humanity. So the thing about this game is that it's a mobile augmented reality game.
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So an iOS and Android, but there's going to be, you know, you'll hold up your device and there will be portals in the sky, and things will come out of the sky and have effect gameplay.
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And the short version though is is it's really the heartbeat of the story behind it. It's not the game players fighting each other like many games. It's, it's us uniting as humanity, banding together to defeat this evil AI.
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And so it really is cross border, encouraging it's worldwide this isn't just a US game we've just got back from Singapore on Saturday night.
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So you can have team players in Singapore and Hong Kong and down in South America and when you have players across the world you actually get enhanced gameplay.
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Because all this geopolitical stuff all these governments fighting. It's not us fighting. It's not the people fighting and they're beautiful people believers and non believers worldwide.
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So what is it what is it like to have this mechanism that bands us together.
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It's one aspect of the game. Within the game, there's translation quests that can be done, they'll be all kinds of fun cool quests like my 19 year old son won't do a translation quest.
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But if you're in a geolocation in Mali Africa, or in Iran, or China or different areas of a lower economic status generally, there will be quests in the game that you can do translations.
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So gravity jack will actually own an NLP and natural language processing engine for the languages throughout the world because big tech hits the top 100.
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They don't care about the rest of the languages. There's no money there. There's just not a lot of incentive for them and most people in the other 7100 languages speak one of the top 100 languages.
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So again, they're like, they don't really have a heart for it. And so this game, it was a secular game that will enable the the quests in these lower economic areas where they can do translations and then bring up lift people in this poverty written areas because they can earn in game revenue to extract out in real dollars.
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So it's really be a new career and new new methods for them to earn money in these games and that Wycliffe and SIL are actually partnered with us. They are one of the largest translation companies in the world.
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So very exciting, but it is wild.
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So people can follow you guys you go to gravity jacks the gravity jack.com gravity jack.com gravity jack.com and find all about this game there's other people who might be in the space who might have some questions.
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So I'm excited to go and you guys are in a fundraising phase right now for the next level what you're doing, especially because you've gone from serving other to their companies and this is your first your own project that you're doing on this level and I just think it's like probably one of the most exciting things
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I've heard about in any of these spaces just because I don't know anybody who's had the vision of like, how do you empower a translation all the way across to generate there's going to be a lot of different types of translation of literature and even the Bible in this in the context of this, which is really cool on top of
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this mobile game to have this backbone library is just phenomenal like this is unbelievable and so many languages but I just hope people doing and encourage people to connect to you guys and connects to this website and see what's going on here.
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Thanks so much for being on today.
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No thank you guys for having me it was fun and anyone listening, especially for our prompts feel free to reach out love to hear from you.
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Well up next, we have final thoughts are shown above.
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Welcome back to final thoughts with Sean and Bob Sean I was taken by the fact that I really didn't understand AI, AR virtual reality any of that stuff and she was just talking about it so normal and even in towards the end of the interview and she explained it.
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It just made so much sense and I think there's a lot of us out there who maybe just are afraid of it like when computers or phones started to come out and it's going to be interesting to see how how this technology progresses.
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Yeah, it's interesting because I was watching kind of a video from a company that it's a corporate company just sent me their video. So this is public or not on the bit but they were just showing how argument of reality can work where this guy's standing there waiting for his Uber and he sees on the map in his he's
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sitting there like Google glasses, Apple glasses, and he sees where the cars coming even before it comes with arrows is coming his way it's 20 seconds out counts it down it's right in front of him he gets and he looks at his boarding pass.
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It's a physical boarding pass but on it it shows your gates change to this. He tells the driver the drivers were in the glasses and the driver seeing in the glasses where to go with the GPS instead of on a screen in his car so it's no longer delineating where his viewpoint would go from here to here but it's right in
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front of him. And it's just like everything just kept going and everything they were doing even in their family.
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The one was cooking and she's just seeing the recipe and her glasses ahead of her in real world. It just seems like such a functional God given opportunity for technology there's all kinds of evil uses that can be used, but that it just takes technology was no longer our hands have it but it's it's part of
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daily lives. And that there's a lot of people are afraid of these things but I think God is going to use so much of the technology space so profoundly for the end time harvest and for all the things that he wants to do before the enemy gets it, you know like I think a lot of us are worried
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about biblical eschatology. And what does it look like for these kinds of artificial intelligences and we've seen too many movies about it so we're afraid of these things.
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And I think that's what we've been listening right now are hearing these stories and it helps you to understand and gives you courage and faith that God's going to come and break through for you maybe you're in the breakdown period you need that beyond redemption of what Jennifer described in her interview.
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It's coming for you to he's no respect for persons God has no favorites he loves you as a son he loves you as a daughter is going to come into your life and do some things that you're not even prepared for the goodness it's going to come in the future.
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Welcome to Exploring the Marketplace Show, where we're creating a conversation for what
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God's doing to Christians in the marketplace.
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I'm Shawn Bolz, and my co-host is Bob Hasson.
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We interview everyday influencers, business leaders, and entrepreneurs from all areas
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of industry, exposing you to powerful stories of what God's doing to people just like you.
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We're also sharing our thoughts about what God's doing in finance, business, entertainment,
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Welcome to Exploring the Marketplace.
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I'm Bob Hasson with my good friend Shawn Bolz.
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Sean, what are we doing on the show today?
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You know what's funny, Bob, is I love augmented reality, and I love virtual reality and AI,
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and so many Christians are terrified of the space.
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But today, our guest is Jennifer Richie and Jennifer and her husband, Luke.
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They are actually going after the space in a profound way.
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They have a company called Gravity Jack, and Jennifer is from Southern California, which
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is where we're at.
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She's in the Northwest now, and her husband started this company back in 2009, which is
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making video games now in the augmented reality space with AI.
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I think it's just profound because her husband had this incredible, separate, but the same
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time encounter just a few years ago in 2019 that changed everything in their life and
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really grounded them and anchored them to Christ.
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That's actually brought a different level of opportunity because of that.
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God redeemed all things, even the stuff that they had going on in the company years before
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that's in the past, they had in this space.
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to do something that not everyone's doing.
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Welcome back, Shawn.
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We're here with Jennifer Richie.
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Jennifer, we're so happy to have you.
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Thanks for having me, guys.
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Well, I'm excited to talk to you because I love the AI space.
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I love video games.
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I love artificial intelligence.
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all the way back and, or did you start together and back in 2002, 2003?
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It's a nine though.
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guys were, it changed the course of your whole marriage, of course, your family, the course
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of your business.
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a space that's new and then God interrupts it as usually for God purpose.
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But you guys back that encounter and tell us the story.
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Yeah, I feel like it's a little early on in this podcast to have tears that they're coming.
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don't have the relationships, who isn't.
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a problem with us.
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you're brought back to something that was and what we have now in our marriage with
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our children are, it's far greater, far greater than anything we could have had.
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You know, the scripture of walking a valley with, I don't know how people can, you can't
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put it into words until you've been in that valley and actually walked it and still had
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joy and peace.
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crying and she's like, oh, this is happening with this client and this with the attorneys
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She's like, how are you doing this?
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It was 100% the Lord and I wouldn't trade any of those trials because what comes out
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of it?
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You know, I have to ask you what, what was the catalyst or what was the encounter?
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You don't have to go, if it's personal, you don't have to go too deeply into it.
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is coming to the office and not as anchored.
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What was the encounter?
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Like what, what did God reveal to you or how did he show up?
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like dark to light, it was genuinely the best way that I can, I can say it is, is it's like
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blinders that literally it's like it's a cartoon that they just thought it was deception.
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I was in this cloud and shroud of deception in many different areas where, you know, oh,
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it's okay to do these things because you're doing them together with your husband.
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No, it doesn't matter.
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You stand before the throne of the father alone, you know, in your, in face to face to, to
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account for the things you've done good, bad and otherwise.
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I remember going on a walk the day after with my mother in law, who I'm very close with.
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I go, ma, I know so much is different.
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just open, which also gave me as heart during COVID.
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There was a lot of deception through the COVID years.
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And the flesh wants to be judgmental of how can they not see this?
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There were so many things to choose from.
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Completely and fully.
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guarded protection, not facing, not addressing them, not looking into them, not looking inward.
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There were so many things where that's why even like that, that revealing was is so raw
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for me that I believe that's why I feel so different.
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I mean, what happens in therapy, which I fully believe in therapists, but what happens in
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therapy over 100 appointments can happen in the same way that happens in one encounter
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with God.
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It's good.
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I think if people understood that when we pursue God that we are going to encounter him
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through the word, through spiritual experience, I mean, look at your life.
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I just, I love that because it's more authentic that you can't even describe it exactly because
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it's such a, it's so spiritual, it's hard to put into words.
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I think of the book of Revelation where John's trying to describe what Jesus looked like.
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He's like fire and, you know, his feet are like bonds.
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It's like so ridiculous.
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I just think it's wild.
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Jennifer, I was going to say that you're involved in AR and AI.
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a daughter of God, that your identity is that.
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of God.
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The performance must have just fallen away from you.
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And the reality of what's true, right, real and good came to you.
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and bring your business back together.
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It's just a beautiful story.
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Where are you guys at now as you've moved through this incredible identity to what you're doing
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Where are we in which facet?
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In the facet of your marriage and your business and your...
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All of them.
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I see on your face where you are, but you've been redeemed and restored, which was a word
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that you said we haven't been, it's all new.
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But when you're here for the first time, you've had this beautiful restoration.
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So I was not planning on sharing this, but let the Lord lead wherever.
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In 2018, when things were not so great between my husband and I, backing up a couple of things.
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We were in like a Bible study group years back and met with a couple and they said,
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you always want to put your marriage first.
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Always put your marriage first.
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It will trickle down to the children.
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It will bless them.
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They did it at all these things and we're like, okay, okay, we're young.
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Do what the older people say.
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And what's really unfortunate about that bit of advice is God was nowhere on that tier.
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He wasn't like, no, you don't.
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So we put our marriage first to our detriment, to be honest.
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But you have to put the father first individually, together as a family's marriage business, everything.
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He's first, everything.
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And so anyone listening, if you want to put your marriage first, put God above that.
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But in 2018, so I don't necessarily get visions and dreams.
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You know, quite like my husband gets them often.
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We just all have our different walks.
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In 2018 though, I had this vision so much.
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So it was even harder to put into words then.
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It wasn't a vision per se, but it was this all consuming, clear knowledge of a marriage that we would have that was, I mean, just trust to a level that I didn't know was possible.
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Like I could just feel it in my spirit and my mind and joy and my contentment in no matter what.
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In all of this, it was just goodness.
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I mean, it was such goodness for our marriage.
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And I try to put it, I don't look, the story is happening, huh?
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But I tried to articulate to him and I'm like, there's something more.
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There's something, because, you know, when you're in a tough time in your marriage, the whole, I'm like, clearly what we had got us to this point.
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So I think we should long for something different, something more.
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And he goes, I'm so glad you had that.
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How could we get to a spot where we trust each other?
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And it was like deflating this feeling I had, but it was so strong.
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I hung on to it.
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I mean, it was weirdly, I would have bet it all on it, right?
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And then, you know, fast forward a year later and I had this realization that I still believed that thing, feeling that marriage that was possible, but it also takes choosing.
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And I just came to this point where I thought, I don't think he's choosing that, right?
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And then of course, God comes in redeem.
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So to specifically answer your question, there is this worse.
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We're genuinely, I can say, we fail, we mess up.
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I'm not saying we're perfect, but we are rooted in him first.
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And that just changes everything.
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You know, you can be in an argument where one just comes and says, I mean, we don't like screaming yell at all anymore.
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But you could be in a discussion and it's, okay,
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let's pray instantly.
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The other person, you know, you're not going to say no, you're going to turn down prayer, but it just instantly diffuses everything because we pray about everything.
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Especially 2019, like that valley we walked through.
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I mean, our office, we're in the same room and our chairs were near each other.
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And I mean, we'd spend chairs, I need to pray.
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He'd spend chairs, I need to pray.
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I have a call, let's pray.
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We need a check to come in.
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I've got, I mean, we prayed all the time, constantly, before and after everything.
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How we do things with our business, same.
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We need to pray about this.
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Let's lift this up.
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Like having a chaplain, having a prayer team that's actually on board.
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And we had a prayer meeting this morning with the team.
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Now we're not going to push our faith on anyone.
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That's not, you know, what we'll do.
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But it's pretty hard to hide when you're selling them with the Lord.
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Like it's pretty hard to hide.
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And so we just threw it out there.
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You know, hey, we're going to be doing these Monday prayers.
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If anybody wants to join, you know, people join.
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So everything, our children, I mean, our daughter just got married and her daughter has been.
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Thank you.
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Asked if they could, or downstairs kind of has a kitchenette bedroom.
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And they asked if they could live down there for the first year to save up for a house.
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Like if that isn't a new level of a family.
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Like what a gift that they would want to do that.
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You know, and to be with us.
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So such a loaded, loaded question with many answers because it's all changed.
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All changed.
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Well, I think I am so appreciative that you'd share so vulnerability about it.
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Because I think there are so many people who are like, they're, they're wondering, is there,
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is there a vision for our future?
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Is there, is there a God vision that we can grab ahold of that's not just me trying to do a five year plan?
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If I work really hard and hustle for five years, my marriage will be this.
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And we do have to do the work.
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And we do have to do the work, but I mean, there's this place of like faith.
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That's the thing that we have the secret sauce of Christianity is that we are going to be led
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by a father who loves us into places we couldn't get to without him.
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And you guys have that happen.
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Well, talk real fast about that 2019 year.
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Because I know like you guys, you're, you're living out of this place of like,
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beyond restoration, believing for God.
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And then your business gets slammed really hard.
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It sounds like kind of an inside job.
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So bad.
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And so talk about like, because you guys are all the way through it now.
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But I like what the judge even said.
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So talk about like that period of time where you guys are facing like,
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we might lose our dream.
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We might lose this whole thing.
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But then God came to tell us, just give us a little nutshell.
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So many different things from a financial perspective.
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I think when you said it comes from the inside,
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I don't even know that that was the enemy though.
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I'm sure it was and he's trying to wreak all kinds of havoc.
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But as far as revenue drying up, I mean, I would be okay.
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Even if the Lord was like, Hey, I'm gonna just stop this.
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So you guys can still lean in and trust me on these things.
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And at one of the times in there, so things were financially getting really tough.
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We had had struggles getting contracts.
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And it was literally like, and God spoke very clearly.
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So March 2019, this happens, you know, Luke, my husband was thinking,
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okay, I got to go into counseling.
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Like let's do these other things now that we've got the Lord.
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And God was very clear.
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This is my company.
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Gravity Jack is my company.
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I am the captain of the ship.
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And so we both had a piece about that, like, okay, what do we do, Lord?
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And it was just constantly leaning in and asking him.
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I also said, I haven't had to make a major decision since 2019.
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Like you really don't.
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The major decisions have to be made.
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But when you're taking them earnestly to prayer,
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okay, did you get an answer?
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No, then we stand.
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And we would keep standing until we got an answer from the Lord.
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And so things were rough financially to the point like, okay,
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we're major layoffs shifting the company, possibly even closing the doors.
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Like it was not bad.
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And so Luke's kind of at this point where he's like, okay, you know,
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we got to do what we got to do.
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And we, it's Friday, payroll is getting pulled out of the account by end of day that day.
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And we were like 17,300 and something weird short.
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And I just knew my spirit though, God spoke.
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No, this is, you're not going to get it.
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I'm not closing this company down.
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This is my company.
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And so it's five o'clock end of the day.
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And I had this moment where I was so sad and okay, I'm gonna cry.
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And it wasn't because we might close the doors.
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I was, I was like, did I hear him wrong?
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That was what I was sad about was I thought I heard him wrong,
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but it was so clear.
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It was so clear.
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So we go downstairs, we're walking out the door and I'm completely just
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speechless thinking, did I, I still struggling.
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Did I hear him wrong?
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I was like Liu Open's up the mail on our way out.
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And there's a check in the mailbox for $17,500 from a client we have not worked with in like
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six months, we're like, what?
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Do we cash it?
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And I'm like, yes, she can catch it.
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Like absolutely cause the bank doesn't close the 530,
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get the check in, things to open, email the client, you know, got this check.
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And she's like, Oh, I forgot to reach out to you.
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I had extra money in my budget.
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If I didn't spend it, I would lose it.
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I knew I could park it with you guys and we would do something, you know, in the next few months.
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And I'm like, oh, Lord, that's not a God thing.
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What does that happen?
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There's so many miracles in that year.
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And then another thing. So long story short, I felt like a hostile takeover, you know, partners at the time, they had changed some language at the last minute and a contract back in 2013 that worded things very ambiguously to where they could potentially
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kick us out of our own company. I mean, I'm super summarizing everything.
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And the other shareholders basically stepped in and said, no, you can't.
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And so they, we had a shareholder lawsuit against these gentlemen, because they're like, you know, you're in real estate and you're a financial guy, you how are you going to run a tech company?
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That's not the best for the company to have the founders who founded it on tech to run the company. And so they did a shareholder lawsuit to basically say, you can't, you know, kick them out.
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And then to kind of settle the case, we had 60 days to raise $500,000 to buy them out, signed over all the things.
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So this is say 2019 summer was not a summer.
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I don't remember any of it, but it was literally day 60. The last, you know, as a pool of investors, we meet with all these, we had all phone calls, zoom all the time.
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It was the 60th day of that, you know, timeline that we had to buy him out, drove to the bank with a cashier's check at like 440pm before the end of the day on Friday to buy this.
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I'd like to midnight hour, it looks like. I used to joke with Luke, like he likes to have us like right on the edge of a cliff, you know, when you're, you're waving your art, he doesn't even want us on the head.
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He's like, you guys are going to hang over a little bit.
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She does air shooting and stuff. So she understands the fly.
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Yeah, yeah, me standing on the end of a cliff, I'd be like, Oh, it's kind of cool. But then hanging over it. I'm like, all right, that's a little scary.
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Well, tell us about Gravity Jack and tell us about AI and AR as we were beginning to wrap this up and let our listeners and viewers know, what are you guys doing? What are you building?
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So for those who don't know, I'll do a quick thing about augmented reality is because that's what we were founded on 2009 and have patents in the space again, totally the Lord where he's like, Hey, back here.
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Yeah, I'm going to use that because I've been using it all along. You just have been blind to it.
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But augmented reality is putting digital content into the real world. So some people think of it like Snapchat or face filters where you can open up your mouth and like rainbows come out or little antlers are on your face.
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They're not really there. You're augmenting reality by adding digital content to the live camera view or if I'm shopping for a couch for my living room, I can hold my device up over here, tap and then I can see different couches displayed if I want to shop for couches.
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So that's what augmented reality is. We work with a ton of different clients over the years, fortune 50 companies, Kraft, Heinz, Ford, Department of Defense, all kinds of things.
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And we also do virtual reality. That's where you have headsets where you're taken away digitally. And so we've created all of these phenomenal use cases for clients and games one client we even they made 35 million a month.
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This.
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Wow.
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We could have had equity in the company. It's painful, but it's God's plan.
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And so we're at this point where gravity Jack is going to be doing our own thing. And within it is a game called War Tribe of Benjamin. There are many, many God moments here to mechanics lore that have been dropped in dreams and visions.
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It's got the lore of the game is very CS Lewis like where you can see the story woven through and the bad guy is an artificial intelligence within the game. Isis who doesn't like humanity. He wants to destroy humanity. He wants to take over humanity and all of Earth.
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Remind you of anyone.
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And it's me. One of the taglines is like this is a war that has been raging from, you know, in the past and will continue to rage into millennia. So he's in the future trying to destroy humanity. So the thing about this game is that it's a mobile augmented reality game.
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So an iOS and Android, but there's going to be, you know, you'll hold up your device and there will be portals in the sky, and things will come out of the sky and have effect gameplay.
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And the short version though is is it's really the heartbeat of the story behind it. It's not the game players fighting each other like many games. It's, it's us uniting as humanity, banding together to defeat this evil AI.
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And so it really is cross border, encouraging it's worldwide this isn't just a US game we've just got back from Singapore on Saturday night.
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So you can have team players in Singapore and Hong Kong and down in South America and when you have players across the world you actually get enhanced gameplay.
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Because all this geopolitical stuff all these governments fighting. It's not us fighting. It's not the people fighting and they're beautiful people believers and non believers worldwide.
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So what is it what is it like to have this mechanism that bands us together.
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It's one aspect of the game. Within the game, there's translation quests that can be done, they'll be all kinds of fun cool quests like my 19 year old son won't do a translation quest.
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But if you're in a geolocation in Mali Africa, or in Iran, or China or different areas of a lower economic status generally, there will be quests in the game that you can do translations.
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So gravity jack will actually own an NLP and natural language processing engine for the languages throughout the world because big tech hits the top 100.
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They don't care about the rest of the languages. There's no money there. There's just not a lot of incentive for them and most people in the other 7100 languages speak one of the top 100 languages.
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So again, they're like, they don't really have a heart for it. And so this game, it was a secular game that will enable the the quests in these lower economic areas where they can do translations and then bring up lift people in this poverty written areas because they can earn in game revenue to extract out in real dollars.
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So it's really be a new career and new new methods for them to earn money in these games and that Wycliffe and SIL are actually partnered with us. They are one of the largest translation companies in the world.
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So very exciting, but it is wild.
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So people can follow you guys you go to gravity jacks the gravity jack.com gravity jack.com gravity jack.com and find all about this game there's other people who might be in the space who might have some questions.
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So I'm excited to go and you guys are in a fundraising phase right now for the next level what you're doing, especially because you've gone from serving other to their companies and this is your first your own project that you're doing on this level and I just think it's like probably one of the most exciting things
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I've heard about in any of these spaces just because I don't know anybody who's had the vision of like, how do you empower a translation all the way across to generate there's going to be a lot of different types of translation of literature and even the Bible in this in the context of this, which is really cool on top of
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this mobile game to have this backbone library is just phenomenal like this is unbelievable and so many languages but I just hope people doing and encourage people to connect to you guys and connects to this website and see what's going on here.
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Thanks so much for being on today.
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No thank you guys for having me it was fun and anyone listening, especially for our prompts feel free to reach out love to hear from you.
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Welcome back to final thoughts with Sean and Bob Sean I was taken by the fact that I really didn't understand AI, AR virtual reality any of that stuff and she was just talking about it so normal and even in towards the end of the interview and she explained it.
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It just made so much sense and I think there's a lot of us out there who maybe just are afraid of it like when computers or phones started to come out and it's going to be interesting to see how how this technology progresses.
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Yeah, it's interesting because I was watching kind of a video from a company that it's a corporate company just sent me their video. So this is public or not on the bit but they were just showing how argument of reality can work where this guy's standing there waiting for his Uber and he sees on the map in his he's
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sitting there like Google glasses, Apple glasses, and he sees where the cars coming even before it comes with arrows is coming his way it's 20 seconds out counts it down it's right in front of him he gets and he looks at his boarding pass.
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It's a physical boarding pass but on it it shows your gates change to this. He tells the driver the drivers were in the glasses and the driver seeing in the glasses where to go with the GPS instead of on a screen in his car so it's no longer delineating where his viewpoint would go from here to here but it's right in
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front of him. And it's just like everything just kept going and everything they were doing even in their family.
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The one was cooking and she's just seeing the recipe and her glasses ahead of her in real world. It just seems like such a functional God given opportunity for technology there's all kinds of evil uses that can be used, but that it just takes technology was no longer our hands have it but it's it's part of
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daily lives. And that there's a lot of people are afraid of these things but I think God is going to use so much of the technology space so profoundly for the end time harvest and for all the things that he wants to do before the enemy gets it, you know like I think a lot of us are worried
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about biblical eschatology. And what does it look like for these kinds of artificial intelligences and we've seen too many movies about it so we're afraid of these things.
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And if we can put in context for what God wants to do and how he wants to bring grace to humanity. And these are some of the greatest grace bringers are for all ages. This is a gift.
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Yeah, and I thought it was interesting that Jennifer and her husband had to go through sort of a breaking to find themselves in 2019, who they were as a couple who they were as individuals who they were as sons and daughters of God.
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And I think that's before this, even though they've been running the company for a while but before this break next breakthrough is going to take place.
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And I think that's, it's like that in a lot of our lives God is always on the move we we don't exactly know where we're going next, and he's, he's moving us into a place preparing us for the next breakthrough.
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And I think that's what we've been listening right now are hearing these stories and it helps you to understand and gives you courage and faith that God's going to come and break through for you maybe you're in the breakdown period you need that beyond redemption of what Jennifer described in her interview.
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It's coming for you to he's no respect for persons God has no favorites he loves you as a son he loves you as a daughter is going to come into your life and do some things that you're not even prepared for the goodness it's going to come in the future.
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