Healing from Suicidal Ideation to Leading in AR/AI with Luke Richey (S:3 - Ep 67)

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Welcome to Exploring the Marketplace Show, where we're creating a conversation for what

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God's doing to Christians in the marketplace.

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I'm Sean Boles, and my co-host is Bob Hasson.

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Welcome to Exploring the Marketplace.

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I'm Bob Hasson with Sean Boles.

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Sean, what are we doing on the show today?

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Well, we're talking to somebody who's in one of my favorite spaces, which is AR, AI, and

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video games.

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Yes, you've heard all three of them.

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It's your effective Bob.

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Wow.

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Luke Richie, is this amazing man that we actually interviewed his wife already on the show.

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So I encourage all of you who are listening and doing to go back to that.

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But we're going to talk about some of his struggle with suicide.

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We're going to talk about his career in AI.

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We're going to talk about how he started coding when he was 14 years old Bob for NASA.

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I'm 14 years old.

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He's a brilliant man.

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But in 2007, he founded a company called Gravity Jack.

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He's created some patents that were way beyond where AI and AR was at that time.

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He was dreaming of things that would come.

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And his patents cover a lot of what's happening now in AR.

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So they're even working on what that means for their patents.

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And they've gone through a discovery process, but he went through a God awakening in 2019

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where everything in his entire life changed.

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And it really restructured his business, his family, his marriage, everything.

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And we're going to be hearing that.

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And I love these kinds of stories because we have the conversation of how faith affects

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our actual career.

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And it's really beyond that, how faith affects our identity.

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And I love what you always say, the love sons and daughters.

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Like, if you know who you are in God, you can do anything.

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And we're going to watch a man who went from a life without faith, where God was still

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moving, which is so profound, how good God is to us, to after faith, to where now he

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has a restoration where he gets to do what God dreamed of with him.

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So up next is Luke Ritchie on Explained Marketplace.

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Welcome back.

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I'm here with Luke Richie.

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Luke, we're so happy to have you on the show.

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Thank you, Bob.

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Thank you, Sean.

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Yeah, it's awesome.

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Well, we had your wife on and she told us some really good dirt about you.

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Just kidding.

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Oh, she was so awesome.

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And so I'm going to encourage all of our listeners and viewers to watch Jennifer Richie's episode

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because it was so good, but you're going to come from a different angle because you're

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a very different human being.

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And so I love your story, especially, I want to kind of start back because she shared a

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story about how you guys were separated and you both had an encounter back in 2019 separately,

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not expecting your marriage to be healed, not expecting your business to turn around,

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and then God showed up and it really changed everything.

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You were churchgoers, you guys were all in for like a fun life.

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You guys were all in technology, but you became all in for Christ.

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Like talk about this point of life because a really effective career that we're going

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to talk about in just a few minutes.

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Well, first, I'm glad you actually interviewed her first because she's like not even my better

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half.

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Like she's like my better 99%

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Oh, we understand that.

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I completely understand that with our lives.

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Yeah.

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It takes a while to have appreciation for that, but yeah, she's awesome.

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Yeah, it was so Jim was a little different.

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She wasn't as broken and damaged as me just from childhood.

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So 2019 was actually like the third year of a three year process where God was just doing

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things to me.

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There's like physical healing that occurred in natural means.

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I had a really bad neck injury from a skydiving accident.

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I ended up going to Germany, getting that healed.

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And that wasn't necessarily miraculous, but that had to happen because I was deteriorating

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quickly.

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In 2018, he actually healed me of 40 years of suicide ideation.

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And that was a mental miracle that I couldn't understand.

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I was like so far out of my band because I hadn't experienced miracles up to that point.

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I'd experienced spiritual things, but I'd never seen like actually something completely

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changed.

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I remember I was sharing the story real quick, Jen, we were at church and I had attempted

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to take my life two weeks before.

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And we hadn't told anybody about this.

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I survived it.

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And it was impossible to survive.

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So I was actually pretty angry at God that this had happened.

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And I was sitting there just in the audience.

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When we showed up for church, the pastor's wife, who we knew but not super well, came

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up and she said, hey, I have a word for you.

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Don't leave.

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And so this is 2018.

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And so of course I tried to leave as much as possible.

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I don't want to talk to the pastor about this.

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But she brings us in the back room and she said, God has something to tell you.

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She goes, I dreamt about you in general night and she said, you told me to tell you there's

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a reason you have the kids you have.

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There's a reason you have the childhood you have.

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There's a reason you have the wife you have.

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And she said the manure of your life will be fertilizer for generations.

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And I'm just sitting here, like how would you even know?

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And she puts her hand on my head and she said, spirit of death, leave Luke Richie in the

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name of Jesus.

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And that was the first miracle I'd ever experienced because I stood there and I felt like something

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had shot through my head.

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I felt actually things move inside my skull.

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And then I walked out in the car and I told Jen, I'm like, hey, I can't find suicide.

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And she was like, stop trying.

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But it's like when you're an ideator, like anybody that's ideated, it's your whole life.

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You're driving on the freeway and you're like, I could hit that truck.

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I could do this.

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And I was like, death is just constantly in your mind.

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And I was just gone.

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So that was this first miracle that I sat with.

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And then the second miracle was where he took me, told me he loved me.

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And so I still hadn't repented yet.

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And then the third one was where he showed me just the depth of my sin.

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And that was the night I was repenting because he'd showed me all this sin, like my whole

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life and a vision.

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And it was March 16, 2019, and Jen and I were separated and living in my mom's basement.

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Little did I know, she's on a vacation in Israel.

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And I didn't know this, but that night we were putting our names in the prayer wall.

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And I'm just on my face.

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I didn't know the words to say.

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I was just screaming, Jesus, save me, over and over and over.

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And I woke up different.

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I mean, I woke up so different.

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I mean, I woke up knowing, oh, I love her people.

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Colors are different.

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I hadn't seen any faces yet.

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But when I started seeing people's faces, I was like, people look different to me.

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But I called Jen and said, hey, I don't know if it's going to be 30 more days or 30 more

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years, but our marriage will end well.

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And she said, well, it's not going to be 30 years.

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But she, and I told her what had happened.

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She was the same thing happened to me last night.

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Wow.

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And I think she was like, what we both thought the other one was just saying that because

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the other person was saying that.

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But yeah, God was moving.

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And this is incredible because I think a lot of people relate to your story and they don't

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realize how much Jesus can do for us.

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Because here you're like, prolific in your career, you have all these patents and AR,

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like some of the original patents and AR, that you're still discovering what those even

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mean for the whole industry.

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I mean, you have, you've worked for NASA at 14.

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You've done so many things.

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And yet there was such a brokenness in your life that I love that God confronted you with

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his goodness first.

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Like he helped take away suicide.

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He spoke to you about how he loved you.

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And then he gave you the gift of repentance.

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I think it's so beautiful that God's kindness drew you into that place to say, I'm so sorry,

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God.

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And then you were able to, with your wife first, which is appropriate.

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And you guys have this happy marriage now.

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Talk about how like that moment in 2019, because I know that there was, like Jennifer said,

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didn't alter any of the butterflies and angels all around you.

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Like it was a moment as far as circumstance, but inside you guys have changed.

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So inside, she said, for me, it was butterflies inside, but on the outside, we had to walk

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through some stuff in our business and our family and our marriage.

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That was really hard.

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So talk about that period of time.

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How did God, in this place of newfound faith on this level, how did you experience that?

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Well, yeah, just first of all, Gordon honored him because he really did.

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He loved me when I was his total enemy.

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And it was difficult like that.

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It wasn't though the first, the first portion of that, like the first 30 days, like he just

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ministered to me like after I'd repented.

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And I could just see things.

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I felt like it was like special forces training or something.

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I actually thought that Christians had been keeping a secret that you didn't have to sleep

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because he would wake me up in the middle of the night.

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So I didn't sleep for like a month.

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I maybe sleep an hour or two hours a night, but I was just full of energy.

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And so I thought, man, these guys have been lying.

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This is what it's like.

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Like you're just all like eventually went back to normal, but there was a, there was

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a period where he completely protected me.

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And even if stuff was kind of going wrong, I couldn't really see it because I was just

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so in love with Jesus.

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And he was just so right there.

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The spirit was just so clearly speaking.

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But then it did, there was consequences for the way we'd live, the way we treated our

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children and the way we treated our family.

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And even the way we'd been running our business, frankly, and not honoring our shareholders

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and just a number of things.

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And so pretty much every facet of life got brutally rough.

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But I feel like he'd prepared us in that beginning part.

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And because he's just such a good guy, he knows what he's doing.

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Like he's got this, this whole thing mapped out.

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He's sovereign over every little element.

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But yeah, it was rough financially.

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I don't know if Jen shared, but we had a daughter, but all our kids are like off the charts,

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intelligent.

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I don't argue with anyone.

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I never do.

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Even if they're wrong, they'll win.

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But they were, one daughter ran away.

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She was only 15.

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She was so angry about the change and then actually took us to court to emancipate.

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So we literally, there was a point where we were sitting before a judge fully in love

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with Jesus, knowing the damage we'd done.

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And arguing with the judge on why we should be able to keep our daughter.

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And now I don't think her reasons were as accurate as she does them either now.

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But she was like, yeah, I just don't like them.

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I don't like this Christianity thing.

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And the judge is like, that's not really a good enough reason.

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But she argued well and God even used that.

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Like everything was just, he was just working things towards a, I can't even call it restoration

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because it was something totally new.

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Now we have amazing, like this is the thing he's been working with lately.

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Like, Lord, I'm so blessed.

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I have the best relationship with every one of my kids.

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I have a grand kid at one on the way.

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I'm like, this is nuts.

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Like he's just such a good God.

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Luke, coming back, you called it suicide ideation.

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Lots of our listeners and viewers are high performers who are trying to perform, who

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don't understand that their identity is a love son of God.

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And I wonder if you might just encourage people who might be struggling with thought

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aside right now and how, what God showed you since 2019 about it.

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It's funny.

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I have sat and given my testimony in churches and every single time I do, there's a line

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of people and they're just the most unexpected people.

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And I'm talking CEOs and like people that have everything on this earth.

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And they're like, Hey, I've never told anybody this, but this is, I think about it every

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minute.

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Like I know what you're talking about.

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It is, it's a lie from the enemy.

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It's a stuff often that happens in childhood that where the enemy steals your value.

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When I was taken in 2019 on my birthday.

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This is three months before we were pented.

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I was taken to a place and I had no self worth and God just spoke four words to me.

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He just said, I love you Luke.

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And whatever I was in that place got filled with a love.

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And I knew that the creator of the universe loved me.

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And when he said those words to me, he then said into my mind, he said, and this is just

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a drop.

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If I were to show you the full measure of my love, it would kill you.

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You can't contain it.

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And then it's about, and then so he spoke out loud.

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He spoke in my mind and then he just gave me a sense of something.

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And for just this briefest moment, I could sense the infinite level of love that God

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had for me and it didn't end.

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It scared the crap out of me actually.

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But then I knew, oh, he feels this way about everybody.

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That was when I came back with worth.

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And the interesting part is my experience and even the way he laid that out, I found

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so many people that he's done the exact same thing to because it's not some truth just for

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Luke.

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It's actually a truth for every single one of us.

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When it says his love is unending, that's what it is.

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That is my identity.

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I actually instantly came back with self worth.

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So I had suicide removed from my mind, but I still didn't, I was sitting in this weird

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place for a year where I had no self worth, but I didn't want to die.

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There is an agreement with death that I made in my mind from the lives of the enemy.

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And you have to break that agreement and you have to really, truly understand that unending,

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like I'm talking, I drop through me to my knees and and and filled me with like worth

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that is unshakable.

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And this is literally everybody's.

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And when you can connect with the truth and so what I would encourage people to do is

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literally state the lies that I used to believe I had no value.

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I had no worth.

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I now believe the truth of God's word and it will be hard to say this, that I have infinite

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worth and value to the King of the universe.

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And it's really, it's so hard to say that second part when you have no self worth and

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want to die.

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But if you just start saying, speaking the lie as a lie and then speaking the truth,

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it's both spiritual breaking the agreement and it's also neuroplasticity.

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Thank you.

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I think it's so profound because yeah, I agree, Bob.

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Thank you because it's there's so many people who are dealing with.

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They've made those choices for years and they just don't feel worthy anymore to try and

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make a different choice.

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And I love your story because not only were you making a different choice, not only got

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encountered, which I think is also a key and I think we all have that encounter.

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I don't think it's just for one person.

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I think the Bible and then we get Jesus for everybody, but it also helped you to go through.

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We didn't have to reap the full, the fullness of all the things you guys had sewn wrongly,

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but God walked you into a new space in a new place.

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I want to talk to you.

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I want to switch gears.

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That's okay.

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Because you guys too, you're in one of the most controversial spaces ever in history for

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Christianity.

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You're an AI and you're an AR and these two areas are brand new to the world.

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They've never existed before.

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So when people like here in a Pentecostal meeting, you're going to do something that's

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never been done before.

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We always take it as like a novelty.

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That's like a theme that's spoken in generations of churches, whether it's in a camp meeting

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or whether it's in a summer camp for youth.

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That's a theme, but you're actually literally in a space that's never existed before with

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patents that no one else has developing things that no one else has ever thought about before.

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I mean, I've gone to a lot of computer shows, video game shows for decades.

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I've got it because it was in the video game space, but I went to E3 when it restarted

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and I did virtually when I was in coronavirus.

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You know, like I care about the space that you're in and you're in like the 2.0 version

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of it.

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And there's a lot of Christians who because of wrong biblical eschatology, who have just

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given all the area that you're called to and involved with, like it's bad.

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It's just, it's the enemy's going to use it.

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So let's give it to him and we're going to kind of stay in the sling.

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And I don't mean to paint such a bad picture, but that must be a fun challenge.

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Not just a bad challenge, but kind of like a, hey, let's go into God's dream in this

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space, but he's interested you with some tools.

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Talk about that.

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Like when did you realize that like, oh my gosh, the whole world's about to go into

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AR and we have the patents and technology.

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So it's like, talk about that moment.

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Well, in 2009, I was super passionate about tech.

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Like I lived eight slept and breathed, you know, breathed physics, chemistry, technology,

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coding.

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It's just what I did.

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In 2019, I actually thought I wasted my whole life saving and God, God actually, you know,

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had me repented that it was because I was, I actually trained to be a suicide counselor.

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I couldn't wait to leave tech.

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I know Jen shared some of the miracles of, I was like excited when the business was doing

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well because I'm like, I'm going to go be a counselor.

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But it's, so I mean, dude, I tried to leave the space.

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God wouldn't let me.

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I was like, oh Lord, you've, you've been in every step.

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You were here all along.

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Only 6% of Christians, I don't have this link with me right now, actually think AI is a

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good thing.

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So it's not just, but the thing is we're not tied to like a specific church body or, you

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know, theology.

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It's just, here's what God did in our lives.

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And so I don't, I've been learning a ton over the last four and a half years of all the,

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you know, the various like, you know, things.

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But it's for me, I'm like, God said, go do it.

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I don't really care for the fact that we face a ton of actually blowback.

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And a lot of Christians are, yeah, it's evil.

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It's, I mean, I feel like this should be just common sense.

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I can take a hammer and hit somebody in the head with it.

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The hammer's not evil, but all right, we can go build a house for homeless.

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You know, it's the hammer evil.

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The AI is not intrinsically awake.

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It's not alive.

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It's a set of algorithms and statistical modeling and a very, very large context.

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It's not that surprising or shocking.

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Even the fact that they're like that Elon Musk or open AI, you know, Sam Hallman is painting

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like there's this huge danger from AI.

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I actually believe that's part of the lie because they want to create this, this false

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belief that we can transfer our consciousness into a pseudo reflection of who we are.

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And so they, they paint it like it's just really dangerous.

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It's, I mean, there's danger in anything, you know, yes, I can create a eyes that stalk

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you and robots and stuff like that.

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But it's, they can already do that.

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Like they can already, I mean, there's already so many ways they can kill us and kill us

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with mRNA.

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I mean, there's a million ways.

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The fact is, is if we don't own the ground, the enemy will, we literally seeded it the

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last technical revolution.

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And that's not the way it's supposed to be.

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And you see what happens in 60% of internet traffic is born destroying lives and families

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and just America really.

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So I'm kind of going off here, but no, no, it blows my mind that you're still, it doesn't

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make sense to you.

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I love that.

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It's like Christians aren't, aren't aware.

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And I love everything you've just said is exactly what I think needs to be said, which

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is God's release.

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And God's a creator.

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The enemy can't create God just released a bunch of tools on the earth.

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The man's going to use them all kinds of bad ways, but he released them for the sons and

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daughters of God.

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He released them for us to do something with them and to change people's human experience

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into a line of even more.

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So I love that you're doing what you're doing.

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Luke, what I'm interested in is you filed patents a long time ago.

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And before, before you even knew a lot of the things that you were going to be doing.

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And Jen told us a little bit about she, she had you review them and you found out that

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you're in a pretty great position.

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That's, that's a, that's a funny story because she come in, this is post Jesus.

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And so she comes in and she's like, Hey, the Holy Spirit told me to review our patents.

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I'm like, sure, go for it.

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And she's like, no, like we need to review them.

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You need to get a team boss.

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So I assigned some engineers and they come back in like a week later and they're, they're

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completely freaked out.

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I'm like, what's going on?

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Like engineers aren't really, especially high end RMP guys don't show a lot of emotions.

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So I'm like, dude, somebody just died in the office.

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And they're like, we own AR.

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And I'm like, what are you talking about?

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Because I forgot everything I wrote.

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So I kind of like is whatever our patents like, you know, and they're like, no, we own it.

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And they started just breaking down all the claims that we've made in 2009, which we,

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we wrote the claims based on use cases of where we wanted to go.

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Some even around the game that we're, we're doing now, but tech wasn't ready.

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And yeah, so we're just kind of sitting there.

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Okay.

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What do you want us to do now?

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We, we literally patented argument in reality.

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And so there, there's a whole, you know, things we're doing with that.

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That's a whole other thing.

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I love that.

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Because again, it came even before you were walking with God, God wired you for this.

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I mean, it's so cool.

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He's been, he's had a plan all along.

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And so I'm like, that's why I'm like, 6% of Christians can think I write 94% can think

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I'm wrong, but God said, go do it.

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So I don't care.

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I got to go do it.

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And I have to be obedient to the one who saved me and, and brought my family together and

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bless me with unmerited blessing.

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I'd love to hear, I think it's interesting that he gave you the vision before you were

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like in your words, walking with him, you've had your breakthrough in 2019.

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And now you're moving forward with all these things.

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Talk to us about what you're doing now with the company's doing now, what you see for

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you and Jen in the future.

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So after we were saved, I, again, I tried to leave tech and then finally when he was

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like, no, you're, I want you to stay.

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So I'm like, okay, Lord, then I prayed actually for close to a year.

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Okay, well, then if it's your company, you're telling me to say what do you want us to do?

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And of course, because he's sovereign, he'd already been kind of showing me.

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But then I actually, our most recent set of patents where it came in, in literal dreams,

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even the mathematics were above me.

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I had to have him verified because I'm like, I'm not smart enough to do some of this stuff.

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And then he just kind of laid it out.

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Here's, here's what I want you to go do.

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And there's been some kind of movement like this, but I'm like, oh, now I see why you

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had us kind of here that way, this way.

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And then it landed on what we're working on now with war tribe of Benjamin, where I think

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we can not only get the gospel out in every language in five years, but actually uplift

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people systemically and generationally out of poverty across the planet as.

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Oh, just that.

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Yeah.

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You just dropped a bomb on so like, I'm packed on a little bit.

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What is that?

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You're like, just that, just so we can just release the gospel everywhere and everyone

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can get out of poverty.

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I talked about that for real.

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Well, I actually prayed, you know, I'm praying on the word how I want to do, this is your

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company, but my shareholders didn't invest in this.

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And in fact, I had a few complaining about that I was too, you know, on board with Jesus.

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I'm like, how do I get my shareholders to care about what I care about?

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And the answer was really, I can't, they care about one thing, which is okay.

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Like it's ROI.

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That's what the investment was.

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That was the agreement.

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So he's like, make, you know, all essentially what we do is create a Nash equilibrium and

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game theory across and we actually created my investors as a player in the game.

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Essentially.

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So I started like, oh, I'm like, I just need to add the real world into this whole component

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of the math that we're building in this ecosystem.

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So essentially what we do is we take a player in a real game that we're writing and we take

468
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:53,360
money from strong economies, we funnel it into this mechanism where we're targeting people

469
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:59,360
groups for translation or paying them small micro amounts in poor areas.

470
00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:03,640
And what we get out of that is an artificial intelligence, natural language processing

471
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,840
engine for that language.

472
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:10,080
And so half the world's languages, about 7100 of them are completely unreached.

473
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:15,600
They never will be reached the people groups too small and the people groups too poor.

474
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:21,560
And so, but what I get back from my investors is over time as we've targeted these people

475
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:27,240
groups, now all of a sudden we have a monopoly on speaking to 10%, 20%, 30% of the planet

476
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:28,240
that nobody else can.

477
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,720
I mean, if you imagine if I go to Nike and I'm like, Hey, remember, I can only talk to

478
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,600
half the world with your marketing message.

479
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:42,800
And marketers know this, agencies know this, you 75% of you get a 75% higher yes rate on

480
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:48,440
anything from Christianity to product sales, if you say it in a native language.

481
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,360
So it's, this is a fact.

482
00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:56,040
So now, so what we're doing is providing really so much value back to the shareholders

483
00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:00,520
while they literally are bearing some of this value over here with the poor.

484
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,760
It's just this, it's literally just this exchange of productivity and finances.

485
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,880
What's really cool is as we pull these people out of poverty, they actually increase the

486
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:14,320
whole wealth ecosystem because they're coming into productivity into the world economic

487
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:15,320
stage.

488
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,080
And this model is like, they're all proven.

489
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,880
We're not doing anything that's actually new.

490
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,560
We're just kind of combining things that have already existed.

491
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,280
And you're doing through the power of video games, C-bomb.

492
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:26,280
Yeah.

493
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:27,280
A lot of times.

494
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,760
What I love about this too is that it's a game that is argument of reality and you're

495
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,520
not fighting against each other, you're fighting against the artificial intelligence.

496
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:40,240
It's the bad guy at the game and then people can interpret literature and the Bible and

497
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:45,040
other things in their native languages to get like both microfinance, but they can also

498
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:49,520
get points in the game where they level up the game from what I understand.

499
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,680
And I think it's just so interesting because I know like Pokemon Go when it was, when it

500
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,960
was first down, that's a very limited AR game.

501
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,800
That's like just so basic.

502
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,240
It was like a card game almost, you know, and when it first came out, I mean, I'm here

503
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,920
in LA and people were standing in corners and they were at like the malls and they were

504
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,680
in certain positions to get certain Pokemon by the dozens and sometimes hundreds.

505
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,160
I remember they had a special event and I went to Americana, which is one of our malls

506
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:13,880
here in Glendale and I was there with my kids.

507
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,160
I'm like, why is there 300 people standing here?

508
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,160
They're like, with their phones like this, like we're trying to catch a Pokemon.

509
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,920
You know, like they were just in this space.

510
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,640
It was the first time that I saw AR actually, like they actually had to remap some of their

511
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,720
places because it could cause accidents or it could cause, because they had so many mapped

512
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,200
places out there.

513
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,840
And I just, I see that and then I hear what you're trying to do.

514
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:38,200
Like I saw like a little glimpse of what AR could be because society actually got hold

515
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:39,560
of it in a small way there.

516
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:45,080
And then I see like the future generations of AR and I'm just, I just, I can see the

517
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,840
dream and I think a lot of people are watching.

518
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,400
Maybe this is their first time experiencing a Christian who's going after this in such

519
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:51,400
a prolific way.

520
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:52,760
What would you want Christians to say?

521
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,760
If you could say to that 90, whatever percent, Hey, get on board.

522
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,200
How would you present it to them to say, like, come, come be a part of this, come like, come

523
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:04,000
dream with God over this area, how would you present that to them?

524
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:10,560
Honestly, I've, so we're partnered with SIO and Wycliffe on the translation part of the

525
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:16,000
components for the word of God, which that was just that even that relationship, how

526
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:22,320
I met him was little, not half a sense was the Holy Spirit just dropping things.

527
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:28,120
But it's been unfortunate that we've literally, as we're going about this raise, this financial

528
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:33,880
raise, I have almost raised $0 from believers, which I'm like, I'm, we're going to provide

529
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:39,240
so much value back and we're taking the world's money, but now I got to provide it back to

530
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:40,240
those people.

531
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,680
And it's been, that's been the biggest bummer for me.

532
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,280
I'm like, Lord, where are, where are the believers?

533
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:54,120
And so I'm just like, okay, well, I would say for a lot of them and not with us, but

534
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,520
anywhere, start putting your money where your mouth is.

535
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,760
If your mouth is there, but I mean, apparently 94% of them think I'm crazy.

536
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,080
So I wanted to do it.

537
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:12,440
Well, I look, how do how do people, if they want to, if they want to participate in the

538
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,640
raise, how do they get ahold of you?

539
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,720
How do they get ahold of your company?

540
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:22,560
How can people take the next step and understanding who you are and who your company is?

541
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:23,560
Yeah.

542
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:29,360
So we have a public offering through the SEC going right now on startengine.com and just

543
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,480
search Gravity Jack.

544
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:32,720
That does end in February.

545
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:40,760
We also are, if you're a private investor or institutional, just email me, luke at gravityjack.com.

546
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:46,440
And so those kind of two ways, but the start engine public offering is, is low entry point.

547
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:51,600
Our goal was we were hoping we would get a lot of believers in, but we kind of under

548
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:52,600
us.

549
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,720
And we were that staff when we, that was our original intent.

550
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:56,720
Yeah.

551
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,080
No, I know every time I do something, cause I have a social commentary show that you guys

552
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:05,200
have been on the show and bull show, and I'll do AI or I'll do AR and the viewership of

553
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,920
that is the lowest of anything I do, but I'm still, I'm still pressing it.

554
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,600
I'll be like 30,000 something else.

555
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,120
I get 2000 on that.

556
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,600
Cause Christians just aren't interested.

557
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,600
So we have our eyes closed, but I love that we're doing this and we're having this conversation

558
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:21,080
because not only is this going to be one of the most wealthy spaces in history, but it's

559
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,920
also going to be one of the most important ways that we interact in a new way.

560
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,320
Cause it gives us an extra sense.

561
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:26,320
We have five senses.

562
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,800
Also, then we have six senses because we're already doing it with our phones, but we're

563
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,160
pretending we're not.

564
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,000
We're creating technology as an extra sense to relate to the world around us.

565
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,920
And the fact that you guys have been given a vision from God and patents that you've

566
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,640
filed and systems that you've been developing.

567
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:42,640
I'm super interested.

568
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:43,640
Look, I'm so proud of you.

569
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:48,960
I'm so happy that you exist and we're going to keep cheerleading you and believing in you.

570
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,240
You know, actually I would like to say one more thing to any faith-based people that

571
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,240
are watching this.

572
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:59,160
Just imagine in three years you put on a pair of Apple vision pro goggles, you pull out

573
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,560
your real Bible, you set it down on the ground and it has eye tracking.

574
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:07,760
And it's actually looking at the words you're reading and it notices that you pause, like

575
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,480
religious started Genesis in the beginning.

576
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:16,200
And then as you, as you see in the beginning, it's, it's so is the Hebrew word better sheet.

577
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:21,400
And you actually now, and then you look over at that and it starts, and you see the definition

578
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,400
of better sheet.

579
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:27,840
You see breakdowns and studies and, and so you drag that one over here because it's interesting.

580
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,520
And then you just keep reading and it's actually watching your intent.

581
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,360
And then it starts to learn you because there's AI converging with this AR experience.

582
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,400
It starts to learn how you study what you learn.

583
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,360
It knows what you're going to be interested in.

584
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,800
This is, I mean, there's a whole thing, a way to study the Bible that's coming.

585
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,560
It's wild where you don't have 10 crappy little apps.

586
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:53,280
And, and it's, and there's a Cartesian course so I can grab data and push it back here and

587
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:54,780
pull it forward.

588
00:32:54,780 --> 00:32:58,120
All I'm reading a real, you know, Bible.

589
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,440
So this is a world that could, that could exist.

590
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:05,720
And I mean, man, imagine the richness that you could get as you study the word every

591
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:06,720
morning.

592
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:07,720
Just one example, one.

593
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:08,720
Yeah, one example of many.

594
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,760
I've been watching these examples and looking at the future and it's a near future and our

595
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:17,040
kids are already awakened, they're already going to do this, but I can't wait for us.

596
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,040
I just can't wait for people to embrace these technologies in the right way.

597
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,200
Well, Luke, thanks so much for being on today, Bob.

598
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,600
And I've thoroughly enjoyed you and your perspective.

599
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,280
Thank you for being vulnerable, so real, so authentic.

600
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,360
And I'm next, this final thoughts for Sean and Bob.

601
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:32,360
I'm Sean Boles.

602
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,620
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603
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Plus our back catalog is available to you as well on spiritual gifts, especially hearing

605
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:46,920
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606
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,400
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607
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Come join us at spiritual growth Academy by going to bowlsministries.com and clicking

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609
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,600
Well we're here for final thoughts, Bob.

610
00:33:58,600 --> 00:33:59,760
What do you think about all this?

611
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:05,240
I mean, especially the statistic that only four to 6% of Christians even think AI or

612
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,240
AR is good.

613
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:08,600
Yeah, it's interesting.

614
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:13,480
I don't fall into either of those percentages because I just don't understand enough about

615
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:14,480
it.

616
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:21,120
And after talking to both Jen and now Luke, I feel like I understand a little bit more,

617
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,120
but not enough.

618
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:27,960
And I think it's going to be interesting to watch his capital raise financially to see

619
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:28,960
how they do.

620
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,640
And we're praying for that for them.

621
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:37,280
But the thing that always amazes me about God, Sean, is that he knew what he was going

622
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:43,760
to do with Jen and Luke and caused them to get patents, caused them to build a company

623
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,640
even before they had their breakthrough.

624
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:53,600
And they struggled along and both of their stories mesh about this.

625
00:34:53,600 --> 00:35:02,160
But Luke's transformation in March of 2019 was so amazing, how God brought him through.

626
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:07,600
In order now, we can see to set him up both for his marriage, his family, and his business

627
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:12,800
to go do something that is going to be a disruptor in society.

628
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:13,800
Yeah.

629
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:18,040
And I think of that word that pastor gave him when she brought them in the back, the

630
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:23,520
pastor's wife, and said, God's going to use them the new of your life to be fertilizer.

631
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,320
And I just think we're watching that right now.

632
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:26,320
We're God.

633
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,320
And he's Romans 828.

634
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,200
He uses all things for our good of those who love him.

635
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,840
And I just think there's probably maybe we're watching or listening and there's things in

636
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,680
your life from the past that he's going to bring back in a redeemed form.

637
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,040
And they were part of his dream for you.

638
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:42,640
And he seeded your life with seeds even before you were a Christian of his goodness, his

639
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,280
love and his mercy.

640
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,560
And then once you're in faith, he can actually grow fruit trees out of those things.

641
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,200
And so maybe it's a patent or maybe it's a business you started or maybe it's an experience

642
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,640
where you were 10 years in a certain industry or maybe it's a relationship you had that

643
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,360
comes back around for what it was for in the first place.

644
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,240
And I just think God's so good.

645
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:03,320
We often discount his goodness or when we get saved, we don't realize how good he was

646
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:04,320
before we were saved.

647
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:05,320
He's always good.

648
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,400
And we don't realize how much of his goodness was in our life.

649
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,240
And even sometimes he speaks to people before they're saved because he's always interacting

650
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:13,720
with us until the day we die.

651
00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:17,120
Even if we say we're an atheist or if someone says they're a Satan worshiper or whatever

652
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,760
they say they are, the reality is that God's still trying to show up for them and his love

653
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:22,760
every day.

654
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,960
And I don't think we understand that until after we're saved.

655
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,160
And we look back and go, you were always there.

656
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,480
You were always good.

657
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,240
And I just didn't, I didn't know you.

658
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:31,480
I didn't embrace you.

659
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,520
So I love Luke's story because even in the suicide journey, it's like God knew he was

660
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,840
going to deliver him like it sounds like a once and for all, which is like a deliverance

661
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:40,840
of a spirit of death.

662
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,320
I think there's a lot of people who you're listening and you're saying, I need that deliverance

663
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:45,320
of something.

664
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:46,640
Maybe it's not death, maybe it's something else.

665
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:52,200
And when we hear these stories, faith comes by hearing and we get changed because of that.

666
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,040
And this is the thing.

667
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:55,320
Why we need community?

668
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:56,320
Why we need people?

669
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:01,480
Why we need to be able to talk to people about this so we're not isolated, so we're not dealing

670
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:02,480
with these struggles.

671
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,560
And it's not easy to talk about suicide.

672
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:09,320
And I was so grateful that Luke was so vulnerable about it.

673
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:15,280
But for anyone listening or watching that is having struggles, go talk to your pastor,

674
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:20,240
go talk to people who love you, go talk to someone and tell them that you're struggling

675
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:22,640
with it because God wants to heal you.

676
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,600
God wants to get you through to the other side of this.

677
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:32,280
And I was so taken by how calm Luke was in the interview.

678
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:39,040
Obviously, he's a driver, but as I was watching him, I was thinking, this is a guy who understands

679
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:46,640
the goodness of God, who understands the brokenness in his life and who is at peace now with himself,

680
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,760
with God and more than likely all men.

681
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:50,760
Yeah.

682
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:55,600
Well, Bob, I love these stories and season four is coming up of Explained Marketplace.

683
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,760
You and I are reformatting some things, still the same good stories with marketplace leaders

684
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:00,760
from around the world.

685
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,720
But we're reformatting some of the ways we're going to be doing something in this show.

686
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:08,160
And I'm so excited about being with you for season four, which is coming up in just a

687
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:09,160
few episodes.

688
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We get to pray for you.

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We have monthly partner meetings.

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We give products from our ministry from time to time to be able to supplement your spiritual

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growth and your faith.

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And we just believe in your growth back with you because now we're directly connected to

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you.

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So consider us as you're giving donations, as you're thinking about how to build the kingdom

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forward, because this is a great, great soil to sow into or reaching the world through

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really talking about a conversation that we've not many people are talking about.

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We're talking about it.

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We're offering people to share their testimonies, their stories, and it is blowing up people's

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hearts and faith for what's possible in Christ.

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Thanks for watching.

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I'll see you next time.

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See you next time.

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Thanks for exploring what God is doing in the marketplace with us.

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We have amazing resources for you at our website with free videos, taking online classes,

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that are online school, spiritual growth Academy, or get one of our books, including

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the one Bob and I offered together, Wired to Hear.

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We have lots of ways to connect with you.

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Come visit us on social media.

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Just look for at Sean Bowles or at Bob Hassan or visit Bowlesministries.com.

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This show is made possible by listeners just like you.

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Become a partner or donate now to become part of our team.

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If you enjoyed today's episode, share it on your socials or help us review it on the podcast

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server you found us on.

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See you next time.