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Jan. 3, 2024
When God Wants You Somewhere, He Makes A Path For You with Dr. Ashley Tauriac (S:3 - Ep 62)
Today on Exploring the Marketplace, Shawn Bolz and Bob Hasson interview Dr. Ashley Tauriac. Dr Ashley finished her medical training at Vanderbilt, and currently works with newborns and teaching at the local medical school and loves encouraging others to discover and grow in their God given purpose. Tune in as Shawn, Bob and Ashley discuss how her pre med adviser told her she was not a good-enough candidate for Vanderbilt School of Medicine, and that she should withdraw her application. Vanderbilt School of Medicine not only accepted Ashley, but also gave her a full scholarship. Ashley shares about how she got sick with bacterial meningitis, the miracle it was for the doctor with a brain injury to finish training with no patients lost, no wrongful treatments done, and no lawsuits filed. Ashley realizes It was not regular, and it was not just her- it was her getting to see God anoint her work in a way never expected. Tune in!
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Welcome to Exploring the Marketplace Show, where we're creating a conversation for what
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God's doing to Christians in the marketplace.
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I'm Sean Boles, and my co-host is Bob Hasson.
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We interview everyday influencers, business leaders, and entrepreneurs from all areas
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of industry, exposing you to powerful stories of what God's doing to people just like you.
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We're also sharing our thoughts about what God's doing in finance, business, entertainment,
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and politics.
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Come join the conversation now.
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Welcome to Exploring the Marketplace.
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I'm with my friend Sean Boles.
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Sean, what are we doing today?
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We have a doctor who went through quite a bit as she was pursuing her career.
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Everything from trying to find the right college program, and she knew scholarship, all the
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way to an incredible story of how she got meningitis during, where she graduated medical
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school to go into residency, and almost had to cancel her whole career.
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She's gone through that thing that a lot of us have gone through, and I can't wait to
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ask her about it, because she's gone through a thing where it's like, should I give up
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my career for God and just do ministry?
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That's somehow more spiritual.
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I like when people share their story about that.
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Today, it's Ashley Turiak.
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She's focused for the last 15 years on teaching and studying concepts, considering faith at
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work.
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After finishing her medicine training at Vanderbilt, she worked for several years part-time as
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a pediatrician and part-time for a church, playing international medical missions.
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Currently, as a physician, she works with newborns and teaching at local medical schools.
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When asked, she's from New Mexico, even though she's been living in Nashville, Tennessee
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for the last 15 years.
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She's just an amazing voice.
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I think she's going to be such a great addition to the conversation we're having right here
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on Exploring the Marketplace every week.
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Make sure to subscribe and tune in.
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Up next, it's Ashley Turiak.
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I like the word that the next great move of God's spirit, like a Jesus people movement,
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is going to happen in the workplace, in the marketplace, and we need to hear God right
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now.
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When you're working your career, your place of influence, your job, and you're wanting
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as a Christian a God result, there has to be a God process to get to that result, and
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we have to hear God.
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My friend Bob Hasson, I wrote a book just for you to teach you how to hear God's voice
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in the season of your life to help you in your place of career and your place of business.
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There's no disconnection between who you are at church, who you are in your family, and
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who you are in your career, but it all works together beautifully.
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I believe that this book is a key book for now to help you understand what God's doing.
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I want to encourage you to get this book wired here, and if you get it during this month,
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you'll get the masterclass where Bob and I taught on just the themes of the book and
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help bring it home, help give you some assignments and some impartation that's going to bring
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it right into your very life.
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I want to encourage you to get wired to here now and get our brand new masterclass free
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when you buy the book from boldministries.com.
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Welcome back.
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We're with Dr. Ashley.
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Ashley, we're so happy to be with you.
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Thank you.
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Thanks for having me.
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Well, I'm excited to get right into your story because you have an incredible story
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of pursuing being a medical doctor.
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Right when you're in your residence, you're about to go to your residency.
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I want to go even further back in that in a few minutes, but right when you go to your
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residency, you've got spinal meningitis or meningitis?
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Yeah.
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So I got bacterial meningitis four days after graduating from medical school.
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Oh my God.
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I was sick during graduation, but didn't really think much of it.
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I just thought it was cold and it just got worse and worse every day.
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So I ended up in the hospital for a couple of weeks.
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And didn't really, I mean, don't remember the first week that I was in the hospital.
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And when I woke up, one of my friends was visiting me and was like, here's the pictures
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from graduation.
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And I was like, I wasn't at graduation.
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Like I couldn't even remember theoretically the biggest thing I'd ever done in my life.
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And so that's when I kind of started to wonder that whether or not going to residency still
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was a good idea, whether or not I was actually going to be able to do anything and how God
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was going to kind of help me through that.
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It's one thing to say, I'm giving what's excellent and God is helping me.
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And it's another thing to say, I'm bringing what's broken.
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And when you had an actual brain injury from us, right?
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I did.
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Yeah.
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I ended up having like speech therapy and a lot of cognitive testing and things.
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I got pulled off of work.
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I did try to start work and got pulled off work for a couple of months and kind of had
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to really just restructure my day, restructure my workload, get a lot of help from the residency
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in order to kind of complete that year.
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What was that like in your heart?
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I mean, obviously God, I'm a good doctor now, but I mean, you had a good career where a
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lot of people who have brain injuries, they don't know if they're ever going to come back
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from it.
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And you were right now at the beginning of the career.
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You'd work so hard for finally doing a residency and then all of a sudden, bam, you get hit,
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like talk about your God journey and that like your heart journey.
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Yeah.
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I think, so initially, honestly, I just thought this was like an exit point.
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I was like, maybe I should just give up here and just be done with medicine.
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One of my friends was auditioning for American Idol.
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I was like, I'm just going to go do that.
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This is a great story.
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They will let me in just because of that, right?
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But because I'd had pneumonia as well, I literally couldn't even, I couldn't even stand up long
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enough to wait in the line to do all of that.
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So I kind of had to give up on that and just wait and pray that God would kind of let me
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back into the journey that I'd started.
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I had a, essentially I had a lot of dreams at that time and a lot of them were me kind
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of fighting a war that by myself that I couldn't seem to win.
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But one of them, I basically got to church and was worshiping, realized how hard it is
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to worship with your eyes closed, right?
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Like how hard it is to keep your balance after having like a brain injury and was about to
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pass out.
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And I was so proud at the time.
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I didn't want to sit down.
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I'm like, I am 25 years old.
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I am not an old woman.
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I can do this.
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I'm going to make it through.
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But really, I just needed to kind of, you know, be aware that I was limited and just
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go with that.
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But that was just being dumb.
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But God kind of gave me this picture of me in that place kind of about to pass out and
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he kind of put his arms underneath my arms and was holding me up and holding me in the
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place to be able to finish the church service.
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And I think that was really beautiful.
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But what was even more beautiful was that he actually started crying.
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Like he was kind of behind me kind of crying while I was crying.
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And I think that picture really helped me kind of see that whole see all of residency
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in a different way.
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Because when you look at things that are hard, when you look at suffering, when you look
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at patients that are suffering, kids that are suffering, it's easy to think that God
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just doesn't care or God isn't there or, you know, God is abandoned you or something
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like that.
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And I think that picture really helps me see like see him as a father who was there with
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me, even if it wasn't an easy circumstance.
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It looks beautiful.
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I think Dr. Ashley, in your humanity, you must have a tremendous amount of determination
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in order to get through.
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Because I understand the dream and the spiritual implications of knowing you have a loving father
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behind you, but battling through physical therapy and continuing on to your career,
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how did that work for you?
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I mean, where did you dig and get your strength from?
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Yeah, I mean, I think initially that I really did have a great, a great safe community through
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medical school.
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And that was part of, I guess I had like a good foundation to start with.
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And just a lot of great people in my church who really were praying with me and supporting
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me, encouraging me when I would get sad and frustrated.
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But honestly, it was just kind of putting one foot in front of the other.
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There wasn't any like, here's the miraculous thing that changed everything or in any big
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like day that made everything easier.
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It really was just, I have to focus on this one day.
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This one day is going to be, I'm going to sleep for three hours and then I'm going to
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go to like put everything out for the next day and then I'm going to go to sleep for
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the rest of the night.
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I'm going to wake up at 4am.
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I got to get to work early so that I could go through my notes and things before everybody
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else does.
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And it just really was what are the small things that I have to focus on and how can
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I get through those well?
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Well, I'm going to kind of take everybody back even before this because when you first
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decided to become a doctor, I'd love to hear why you went after becoming a medical doctor,
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but also the college journey because you actually had quite a challenging college journey where
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God sort of showed up in it in the midst of like your faith and just pressing in.
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And I think this is important because a lot of people are going after things and they'll
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give up, they get a little bit of a closed door and they're like, I guess that's over.
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You know, that's done.
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And you kind of went through some stuff where you actually had to have that same determination
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that carried you all the way through residency.
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So talk to us about the whole journey and decided to become a doctor and then what happened?
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Yeah.
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And I think that's, that's a big part.
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Having that vision and having this clear call kind of really got me through the really
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bad parts, I think.
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So yeah, when I was in college, I was studying for the NCAT and trying to put everything
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together all at once just wasn't going as easily as I thought it was going to.
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I was doing fine, but it just wasn't going, you know, like amazingly, I guess.
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And I started putting my applications together and looking at all the things that I did that
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had nothing to do with medicine.
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I, you know, sang with a worship team and helped with these kids and all these different
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things that really weren't scientific or very doctorly.
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And I had to use those for my applications somehow.
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And I was starting to worry that they weren't actually going to want me, right?
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So I was not going to go to our regular student conference that year.
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I had been the years before and usually they had this big section of the conference where
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they would basically encourage people to go into full-time ministry.
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Yeah.
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And so they, I mean, would always talk about it, would say, you know, God has called some
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people into ministry and I never wanted to ask God what he wanted me to do in my life.
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I wanted to be a doctor, I really didn't care what he thought.
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Like that's, I was just going to keep going forward.
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And so I finally got to this point where it did seem like I maybe wasn't going to be the
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strongest of applicants that I thought I was.
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And so decided to go to this conference and figured that God was going to call me into
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full-time ministry, you know, all, all the pastors and missionaries that I'd known before.
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That's what they always say, right?
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Like I was going to go do this thing and God called me here.
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And so that's what I was waiting for.
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So I went to the conference and amazingly enough that year, that year, the one and only time,
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the entire conference was about how God calls people to the marketplace and how God can
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do incredible things and really change the course of humanity through the marketplace
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itself.
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And so as I find God, I hear you, I will say where I am.
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I really felt like God said that you were going to be a doctor unlike anything you've
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seen before.
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And that's really what I think I've held on to since that day.
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I think being able to have that in my background kind of kept me going forward, even when I
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did get meningitis because I was like, God, put me here for a reason.
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I want to see what the end is.
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And tell us what the college is when you're trying to get accepted to.
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Right.
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Yeah, before I was getting accepted to medical school.
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Yeah.
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Well, well, Dr. Ashley.
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What is your passion now?
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We've written a book and I, you know, we read in your show notes that you're really passionate
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about some things.
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Could you talk to us about that?
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Sure.
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So one of the things that I guess I could not see very clearly when I was in school is
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what is it exactly that God, why did God want me in medicine and what exactly was, was going
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to be the win, I guess, when I was done.
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Again, I had all these interests that had nothing to do with medicine and I couldn't
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see them all coming together in a single career.
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So one of the things that when I finished residency, I really did not.
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I really was pretty much done with medicine.
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I was like, this was rough.
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I don't know what the point was.
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I said, I have a doctor.
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And so I actually went to one of my pastors and said, you know, I like missions.
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I can do a lot of things just send me anywhere.
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I'm sure you know someone somewhere that needs help.
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And he said, I cannot let you walk away from the path that you've just worked so hard.
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So what I ended up doing was working part time as a pediatrician and part time for my
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church planning medical mission strips.
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ways in different situations, both in the secular world and in the ministry world.
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But it was also such a great opportunity to see God really put me in a place that really
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did use all of my gifts.
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I'd go on like a missions trip and they'd say, oh, we need someone to help with the team
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member who's sick.
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And I'd say, oh, I got you.
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Okay, I can do that.
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Oh, we need someone to help on the worship team.
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They just lost their sticker.
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I can help you with that.
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That's the most useful mystery ever.
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Just in one week, I'm like, oh, God, see, you know exactly where to put me and can use
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everything and only if you could have set it up like that.
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And so I just love being able to, being able to kind of just encourage people in their
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identity and being able to encourage them through those hard patches.
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Like we all have parts of our careers where we don't see an ending that looks good.
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be useful to him or anything like that.
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And I like to encourage people through that and really just share my story as an example
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that God really can make it anything miraculous and make anything work out for good.
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Now, do you have like strong family support in the sense of like, I'm going to be a doctor
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and they're all like, yeah, that's totally up your lane.
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Oh, did you feel like that was a challenge for you?
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So neither of my parents graduated from college.
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They're both very well studied, but did not finish their education.
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But I think always saw that I love to learn since I was a kid.
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ability to leave anytime I was like, I'm done with medicine.
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I cannot do this anymore.
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They were like, if that's your decision, that's fine.
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They weren't pushing me in one direction or another, putting too much weight on me.
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They really encouraged me to be able to keep going.
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So that was great.
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That's awesome.
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Well, let's talk about your book in between faith and work.
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So I wrote this book a couple of years ago and basically it kind of starts it's essentially
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my whole journey.
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It starts in college, goes to medical school, some different stories through even doing
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missions work and just kind of thinking about the times that it felt like it was hard for
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me to believe that God was actually there.
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It was hard for me to believe sometimes that God was actually real.
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And the world that I was in was did not believe in God at all and was obviously telling me
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that I was dumb to do so.
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And so it kind of just talks about the worth of our faith in our workplace and how really
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it should make us better at what we're doing and God should be able to encourage us and
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help bring us to a new place in our careers.
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And so I love being able to kind of share that.
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And it's not the, it's not a lot of not great stories in it, a lot of ups and downs in it,
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but it's very honest and I think very encouraging for people, especially those who are struggling
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at it.
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What do you think the time that you saw God come through the most out of your whole career
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journey now?
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Just in the sense that you've had so many different moments, it sounds like it was God,
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even the school you got accepted into and the scholarship and you have, you know, the
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meningitis going, you're like being able to go through the whole process and make it
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through residency and get healed from that journey.
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But it sounds like there's a lot of things, but where did God show up to us?
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Where was he the most real in your career?
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Yeah, I think residency is what I kind of saw him the most and because I think I had
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to spend the most time with him in residency.
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I think we really, I spent a lot of time doing just little breath prayers throughout the
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day and just, and really just asking God to kind of cover, to cover me and to cover the
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patients.
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And even when I went back to work, I didn't feel, I wasn't always confident in myself.
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I wasn't always doing everything correctly, right?
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Like I would double check my work like three and four times because I would write something
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down wrong or have you.
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And so I really just, I spent a lot of the day praying like, God, what do you see for
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this person that I don't see?
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Like what would you do in this situation that I'm not thinking about?
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Like what would you, what would you say to this parent that I'm not saying?
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And so I think it was such a beautiful thing because, because I was so broken, I was willing
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to listen, you know, and, and it really made, it gave me a lot of opportunities to really
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work with patients and work with even just coworkers in ways that just in a lot of incredible
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stories that I will always remember to this day.
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And I think it was such a beautiful thing to just to hear God and to see him move every
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single day.
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And that's, I think what's so beautiful.
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No, it is.
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I think probably a lot of people are listening like you're sharing the hardest period of
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your life is when God shut up the most, which is what we believe for.
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But I mean, that's, that was like brutal to have.
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I mean, I just could just imagine being, having a brain injury and still trying to get through
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residency where you're having to be a hundred or a thousand percent more on than you normally
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would.
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I think it's improving yourself and just to be able to walk with God through that is,
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I think it's so encouraging for our audience and our listeners who are our viewers who
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are like, you know, does our faith make a difference when we're working, going after
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this career?
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And it makes a huge difference.
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It makes all the difference in the world and you're a living proof of that.
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Now that you're a doctor, I just asked.
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And I love it that I think what I think about it now, we were talking briefly about imposter
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syndrome.
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I mean, all of us struggle with it in medicine at least a little bit, but really I had to
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rebuild my career on, on God.
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I had to build it on like God is with me and he is watching these patients, not I am so
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capable and I am so great and I am in charge.
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I might have just sent some nurses and doctors free right there.
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I hope so.
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Because I really think that it's a beautiful, it's a beautiful thing and it takes so much
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pressure off of you when you see that God is walking your job out with you.
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Well, I know the stories that we've heard over and over on exploring the marketplace
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is, is the victories that people have felt by feeling and hearing God walking with them
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through their jobs, giving them strength, being that, being that, that peace, that kind
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of secret weapon that, that people have.
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And I can hear in your story that you feel that way and the God has, God has just given
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you the ability after ability after ability and open doors for you that all the way through
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your, your schooling and now your career.
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What's what's next for you?
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What's on the horizon?
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What are you thinking about and planning for in your future?
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Yeah, I'm not totally sure.
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Right now I work in the nursery.
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So I see new boards right after they're born.
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And so it's been a lot of fun.
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I've also been doing a little bit of teaching and I love, I miss working with students.
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I used to do missions trips regularly and so trying to find some ways to work more with
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them.
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Again, medical students and residents.
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Again, I love, love encouraging people who are in that, in that rough period that you
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can make this, you can do it and you can't see the end just yet, but it's going to be
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all right.
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So I'm trying to find a way to incorporate a little bit more.
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Oh my gosh, they need you.
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They need you to be able to do this right now.
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Well, I know people are going to find your book on Amazon.
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I'm open to page right here and it says in between the lines of faith and work by Ashley
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T. A. U. R. I. A. C.
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Yeah, we're just next.
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Everyone gets a writer's list.
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And I think this is just such a great resource for people and you were just such a great
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voice for people.
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So thank you so much for being on this Saturday.
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Yeah, I can thank you so much for having me up next.
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We have final thoughts for Sean and Bob.
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I'm Sean Bolz.
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Plus our back catalog is available to you as well on spiritual gifts, especially hearing
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Well, welcome back to final thoughts.
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Sean, one of the things that she talked about that really impacted me was how she questioned
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herself.
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And, you know, we talked a little bit about the imposter syndrome, but Sean, over the
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almost 200 episodes, we've talked to so many people who deal with this who think that they
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are actually imposters and not as good as what they should be.
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And I often referred to a study that was in the Harvard business review that was talked
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about the 10 things that some of the most, some of the CEOs of the biggest companies
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in the world are afraid of.
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And number one is the imposter syndrome.
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It's so wild.
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You say that too.
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I love that you brought this point up because those of you who are following the X1 and
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marketplace, we know a lot of you guys are regular listeners and viewers.
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And I mean, it's amazing to hear.
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I hear it is again, a medical doctor who's practicing and doing a great job who feels
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like, you know, she's pursuing a career.
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I'm not good enough or this isn't for me.
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I mean, we've got to have something else or I'm not my whole background doesn't support
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this.
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And I love when we follow God.
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It just that he leads us in ways that it's always going to feel too big for us.
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It's always going to feel like we're not the right person.
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We're always going to feel like we're not qualified enough.
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So I like that you brought this up because I felt like in her story, she even had reasons
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to feel disqualified with the medical condition and yet she's so pursued it and like what
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happened.
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And I think we have to get that point where it doesn't matter what we feel is going to
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get in the way that we just say, why not go after the dream?
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Why not try it?
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Why not go after the dream of God, not just the imagination dream, but the dream of God.
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And she had a clear sense since she was young about being a medical doctor.
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Some of you who are watching and listening, you have a clear sense of what you're supposed
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to be doing.
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You could be 50 years old and you're not doing it yet.
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So why not go after it?
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At some point, why not live with a possibility even if you don't feel qualified or you could
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do it rather than live with a measure of I didn't live a complete life?
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Well, I just came across this speaking of this.
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This is the age that some of the most well-known people started.
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Henry Ford, Ford started at 40 years old.
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Christian Dior, 41 years old.
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Sam Walton of Walmart, 44 years old.
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Bob Parsons of GoDaddy at 47 years old.
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Bernie Marcus, Home Depot, 49 years old.
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He started Ray Kroc from McDonald's.
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He was 52.
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The Red Bull guy, Chalaleo Udvia, he was 53.
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Harlan Sanders, Kentucky Fried Chicken started Kentucky Fried Chicken when he was 62.
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And most recently, Bill Porter from eTrade started when he was 63.
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I'm in my 40s.
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I can still try.
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You're not behind.
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You know, there's all these decisions and choices that we have to make.
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And we learned from Dr. Ashley that, you know, she had the character to continue to make
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these choices.
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And you know, she told us in the pre-show that she wasn't going to let the enemy take
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her out.
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And I just thought, you know, her stick-to-itiveness, her drive, her desire to move forward on
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her dream was something that, you know, really, really ministered to me.
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Well, you know, one of the fruit of the spirit in Galatians, according to the message version,
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which is a controversial version, but I like how they say it, is that willingness to stick
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to things, that's a fruit of the spirit.
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And I think it also wants to marshal your energy as well.
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Welcome to Exploring the Marketplace Show, where we're creating a conversation for what
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God's doing to Christians in the marketplace.
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I'm Sean Boles, and my co-host is Bob Hasson.
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We interview everyday influencers, business leaders, and entrepreneurs from all areas
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of industry, exposing you to powerful stories of what God's doing to people just like you.
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We're also sharing our thoughts about what God's doing in finance, business, entertainment,
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and politics.
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Come join the conversation now.
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Welcome to Exploring the Marketplace.
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I'm with my friend Sean Boles.
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Sean, what are we doing today?
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We have a doctor who went through quite a bit as she was pursuing her career.
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Everything from trying to find the right college program, and she knew scholarship, all the
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way to an incredible story of how she got meningitis during, where she graduated medical
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school to go into residency, and almost had to cancel her whole career.
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She's gone through that thing that a lot of us have gone through, and I can't wait to
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ask her about it, because she's gone through a thing where it's like, should I give up
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my career for God and just do ministry?
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That's somehow more spiritual.
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I like when people share their story about that.
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Today, it's Ashley Turiak.
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She's focused for the last 15 years on teaching and studying concepts, considering faith at
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work.
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After finishing her medicine training at Vanderbilt, she worked for several years part-time as
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a pediatrician and part-time for a church, playing international medical missions.
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Currently, as a physician, she works with newborns and teaching at local medical schools.
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When asked, she's from New Mexico, even though she's been living in Nashville, Tennessee
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for the last 15 years.
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She's just an amazing voice.
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I think she's going to be such a great addition to the conversation we're having right here
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on Exploring the Marketplace every week.
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Make sure to subscribe and tune in.
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Up next, it's Ashley Turiak.
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I like the word that the next great move of God's spirit, like a Jesus people movement,
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is going to happen in the workplace, in the marketplace, and we need to hear God right
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now.
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When you're working your career, your place of influence, your job, and you're wanting
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as a Christian a God result, there has to be a God process to get to that result, and
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we have to hear God.
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My friend Bob Hasson, I wrote a book just for you to teach you how to hear God's voice
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in the season of your life to help you in your place of career and your place of business.
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There's no disconnection between who you are at church, who you are in your family, and
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who you are in your career, but it all works together beautifully.
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I believe that this book is a key book for now to help you understand what God's doing.
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it right into your very life.
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Welcome back.
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We're with Dr. Ashley.
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Ashley, we're so happy to be with you.
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Thank you.
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Thanks for having me.
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Well, I'm excited to get right into your story because you have an incredible story
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of pursuing being a medical doctor.
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Right when you're in your residence, you're about to go to your residency.
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I want to go even further back in that in a few minutes, but right when you go to your
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residency, you've got spinal meningitis or meningitis?
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So I got bacterial meningitis four days after graduating from medical school.
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Oh my God.
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I was sick during graduation, but didn't really think much of it.
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I just thought it was cold and it just got worse and worse every day.
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from graduation.
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was a good idea, whether or not I was actually going to be able to do anything and how God
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was going to kind of help me through that.
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It's one thing to say, I'm giving what's excellent and God is helping me.
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And when you had an actual brain injury from us, right?
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I ended up having like speech therapy and a lot of cognitive testing and things.
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I got pulled off of work.
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I did try to start work and got pulled off work for a couple of months and kind of had
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to really just restructure my day, restructure my workload, get a lot of help from the residency
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in order to kind of complete that year.
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What was that like in your heart?
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I mean, obviously God, I'm a good doctor now, but I mean, you had a good career where a
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lot of people who have brain injuries, they don't know if they're ever going to come back
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from it.
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And you were right now at the beginning of the career.
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You'd work so hard for finally doing a residency and then all of a sudden, bam, you get hit,
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like talk about your God journey and that like your heart journey.
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I think, so initially, honestly, I just thought this was like an exit point.
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I was like, maybe I should just give up here and just be done with medicine.
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One of my friends was auditioning for American Idol.
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I was like, I'm just going to go do that.
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This is a great story.
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They will let me in just because of that, right?
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But because I'd had pneumonia as well, I literally couldn't even, I couldn't even stand up long
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enough to wait in the line to do all of that.
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So I kind of had to give up on that and just wait and pray that God would kind of let me
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back into the journey that I'd started.
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I had a, essentially I had a lot of dreams at that time and a lot of them were me kind
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of fighting a war that by myself that I couldn't seem to win.
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But one of them, I basically got to church and was worshiping, realized how hard it is
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to worship with your eyes closed, right?
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Like how hard it is to keep your balance after having like a brain injury and was about to
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pass out.
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And I was so proud at the time.
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I didn't want to sit down.
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I'm like, I am 25 years old.
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I am not an old woman.
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I can do this.
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I'm going to make it through.
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But really, I just needed to kind of, you know, be aware that I was limited and just
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go with that.
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But that was just being dumb.
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he kind of put his arms underneath my arms and was holding me up and holding me in the
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place to be able to finish the church service.
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And I think that was really beautiful.
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But what was even more beautiful was that he actually started crying.
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Like he was kind of behind me kind of crying while I was crying.
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And I think that picture really helped me kind of see that whole see all of residency
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in a different way.
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Because when you look at things that are hard, when you look at suffering, when you look
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at patients that are suffering, kids that are suffering, it's easy to think that God
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just doesn't care or God isn't there or, you know, God is abandoned you or something
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like that.
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And I think that picture really helps me see like see him as a father who was there with
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me, even if it wasn't an easy circumstance.
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It looks beautiful.
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I think Dr. Ashley, in your humanity, you must have a tremendous amount of determination
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in order to get through.
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Because I understand the dream and the spiritual implications of knowing you have a loving father
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behind you, but battling through physical therapy and continuing on to your career,
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how did that work for you?
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I mean, where did you dig and get your strength from?
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Yeah, I mean, I think initially that I really did have a great, a great safe community through
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medical school.
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And that was part of, I guess I had like a good foundation to start with.
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And just a lot of great people in my church who really were praying with me and supporting
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me, encouraging me when I would get sad and frustrated.
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But honestly, it was just kind of putting one foot in front of the other.
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There wasn't any like, here's the miraculous thing that changed everything or in any big
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like day that made everything easier.
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It really was just, I have to focus on this one day.
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This one day is going to be, I'm going to sleep for three hours and then I'm going to
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go to like put everything out for the next day and then I'm going to go to sleep for
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the rest of the night.
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I'm going to wake up at 4am.
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I got to get to work early so that I could go through my notes and things before everybody
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else does.
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And it just really was what are the small things that I have to focus on and how can
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I get through those well?
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Well, I'm going to kind of take everybody back even before this because when you first
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decided to become a doctor, I'd love to hear why you went after becoming a medical doctor,
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but also the college journey because you actually had quite a challenging college journey where
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God sort of showed up in it in the midst of like your faith and just pressing in.
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And I think this is important because a lot of people are going after things and they'll
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give up, they get a little bit of a closed door and they're like, I guess that's over.
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You know, that's done.
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And you kind of went through some stuff where you actually had to have that same determination
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that carried you all the way through residency.
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So talk to us about the whole journey and decided to become a doctor and then what happened?
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Having that vision and having this clear call kind of really got me through the really
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bad parts, I think.
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So yeah, when I was in college, I was studying for the NCAT and trying to put everything
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together all at once just wasn't going as easily as I thought it was going to.
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I was doing fine, but it just wasn't going, you know, like amazingly, I guess.
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And I started putting my applications together and looking at all the things that I did that
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had nothing to do with medicine.
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I, you know, sang with a worship team and helped with these kids and all these different
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things that really weren't scientific or very doctorly.
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And I was starting to worry that they weren't actually going to want me, right?
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So I was not going to go to our regular student conference that year.
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I had been the years before and usually they had this big section of the conference where
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they would basically encourage people to go into full-time ministry.
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And so they, I mean, would always talk about it, would say, you know, God has called some
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people into ministry and I never wanted to ask God what he wanted me to do in my life.
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I wanted to be a doctor, I really didn't care what he thought.
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Like that's, I was just going to keep going forward.
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And so I finally got to this point where it did seem like I maybe wasn't going to be the
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strongest of applicants that I thought I was.
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And so decided to go to this conference and figured that God was going to call me into
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full-time ministry, you know, all, all the pastors and missionaries that I'd known before.
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That's what they always say, right?
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Like I was going to go do this thing and God called me here.
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And so that's what I was waiting for.
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So I went to the conference and amazingly enough that year, that year, the one and only time,
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the entire conference was about how God calls people to the marketplace and how God can
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do incredible things and really change the course of humanity through the marketplace
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itself.
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And so as I find God, I hear you, I will say where I am.
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I really felt like God said that you were going to be a doctor unlike anything you've
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seen before.
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And that's really what I think I've held on to since that day.
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I think being able to have that in my background kind of kept me going forward, even when I
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did get meningitis because I was like, God, put me here for a reason.
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I want to see what the end is.
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And tell us what the college is when you're trying to get accepted to.
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Yeah, before I was getting accepted to medical school.
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Well, well, Dr. Ashley.
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What is your passion now?
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We've written a book and I, you know, we read in your show notes that you're really passionate
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about some things.
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Could you talk to us about that?
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So one of the things that I guess I could not see very clearly when I was in school is
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what is it exactly that God, why did God want me in medicine and what exactly was, was going
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to be the win, I guess, when I was done.
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Again, I had all these interests that had nothing to do with medicine and I couldn't
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see them all coming together in a single career.
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So one of the things that when I finished residency, I really did not.
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I really was pretty much done with medicine.
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I was like, this was rough.
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I don't know what the point was.
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I said, I have a doctor.
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I did.
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We're done here.
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And so I actually went to one of my pastors and said, you know, I like missions.
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I can do a lot of things just send me anywhere.
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I'm sure you know someone somewhere that needs help.
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And he said, I cannot let you walk away from the path that you've just worked so hard.
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So what I ended up doing was working part time as a pediatrician and part time for my
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church planning medical mission strips.
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And it was such a great opportunity to really see, to see my faith come in in different
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ways in different situations, both in the secular world and in the ministry world.
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But it was also such a great opportunity to see God really put me in a place that really
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did use all of my gifts.
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I'd go on like a missions trip and they'd say, oh, we need someone to help with the team
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member who's sick.
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And I'd say, oh, I got you.
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And then they'd say, oh, we need someone to lecture at the college campus.
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Okay, I can do that.
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Oh, we need someone to help on the worship team.
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They just lost their sticker.
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Oh, yeah.
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I can help you with that.
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That's the most useful mystery ever.
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Just in one week, I'm like, oh, God, see, you know exactly where to put me and can use
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everything and only if you could have set it up like that.
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And so I just love being able to, being able to kind of just encourage people in their
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identity and being able to encourage them through those hard patches.
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Like we all have parts of our careers where we don't see an ending that looks good.
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We don't have a clear vision of how God's going to work it out or how it's going to
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be useful to him or anything like that.
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And I like to encourage people through that and really just share my story as an example
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that God really can make it anything miraculous and make anything work out for good.
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Now, do you have like strong family support in the sense of like, I'm going to be a doctor
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and they're all like, yeah, that's totally up your lane.
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Oh, did you feel like that was a challenge for you?
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So neither of my parents graduated from college.
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They're both very well studied, but did not finish their education.
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But I think always saw that I love to learn since I was a kid.
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And so really both encouraged me to kind of keep going and and also I think gave me the
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ability to leave anytime I was like, I'm done with medicine.
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I cannot do this anymore.
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They were like, if that's your decision, that's fine.
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And I think that freedom kind of helped me.
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They weren't pushing me in one direction or another, putting too much weight on me.
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They really encouraged me to be able to keep going.
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So that was great.
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That's awesome.
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Well, let's talk about your book in between faith and work.
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So I wrote this book a couple of years ago and basically it kind of starts it's essentially
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my whole journey.
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It starts in college, goes to medical school, some different stories through even doing
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missions work and just kind of thinking about the times that it felt like it was hard for
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me to believe that God was actually there.
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It was hard for me to believe sometimes that God was actually real.
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And the world that I was in was did not believe in God at all and was obviously telling me
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that I was dumb to do so.
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And so it kind of just talks about the worth of our faith in our workplace and how really
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it should make us better at what we're doing and God should be able to encourage us and
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help bring us to a new place in our careers.
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And so I love being able to kind of share that.
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And it's not the, it's not a lot of not great stories in it, a lot of ups and downs in it,
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but it's very honest and I think very encouraging for people, especially those who are struggling
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at it.
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What do you think the time that you saw God come through the most out of your whole career
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journey now?
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Just in the sense that you've had so many different moments, it sounds like it was God,
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even the school you got accepted into and the scholarship and you have, you know, the
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meningitis going, you're like being able to go through the whole process and make it
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through residency and get healed from that journey.
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But it sounds like there's a lot of things, but where did God show up to us?
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Where was he the most real in your career?
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Yeah, I think residency is what I kind of saw him the most and because I think I had
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to spend the most time with him in residency.
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I think we really, I spent a lot of time doing just little breath prayers throughout the
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day and just, and really just asking God to kind of cover, to cover me and to cover the
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patients.
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And even when I went back to work, I didn't feel, I wasn't always confident in myself.
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I wasn't always doing everything correctly, right?
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Like I would double check my work like three and four times because I would write something
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down wrong or have you.
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And so I really just, I spent a lot of the day praying like, God, what do you see for
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this person that I don't see?
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Like what would you do in this situation that I'm not thinking about?
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Like what would you, what would you say to this parent that I'm not saying?
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And so I think it was such a beautiful thing because, because I was so broken, I was willing
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to listen, you know, and, and it really made, it gave me a lot of opportunities to really
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work with patients and work with even just coworkers in ways that just in a lot of incredible
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stories that I will always remember to this day.
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And I think it was such a beautiful thing to just to hear God and to see him move every
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single day.
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And that's, I think what's so beautiful.
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No, it is.
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I think probably a lot of people are listening like you're sharing the hardest period of
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your life is when God shut up the most, which is what we believe for.
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But I mean, that's, that was like brutal to have.
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I mean, I just could just imagine being, having a brain injury and still trying to get through
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residency where you're having to be a hundred or a thousand percent more on than you normally
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would.
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I think it's improving yourself and just to be able to walk with God through that is,
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I think it's so encouraging for our audience and our listeners who are our viewers who
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are like, you know, does our faith make a difference when we're working, going after
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this career?
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And it makes a huge difference.
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It makes all the difference in the world and you're a living proof of that.
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Now that you're a doctor, I just asked.
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And I love it that I think what I think about it now, we were talking briefly about imposter
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syndrome.
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I mean, all of us struggle with it in medicine at least a little bit, but really I had to
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rebuild my career on, on God.
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I had to build it on like God is with me and he is watching these patients, not I am so
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capable and I am so great and I am in charge.
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I might have just sent some nurses and doctors free right there.
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I hope so.
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pressure off of you when you see that God is walking your job out with you.
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Well, I know the stories that we've heard over and over on exploring the marketplace
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is, is the victories that people have felt by feeling and hearing God walking with them
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through their jobs, giving them strength, being that, being that, that peace, that kind
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of secret weapon that, that people have.
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And I can hear in your story that you feel that way and the God has, God has just given
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you the ability after ability after ability and open doors for you that all the way through
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your, your schooling and now your career.
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What's what's next for you?
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What's on the horizon?
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What are you thinking about and planning for in your future?
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Yeah, I'm not totally sure.
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Right now I work in the nursery.
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So I see new boards right after they're born.
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I've also been doing a little bit of teaching and I love, I miss working with students.
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I used to do missions trips regularly and so trying to find some ways to work more with
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them.
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Again, medical students and residents.
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can make this, you can do it and you can't see the end just yet, but it's going to be
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all right.
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So I'm trying to find a way to incorporate a little bit more.
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Oh my gosh, they need you.
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They need you to be able to do this right now.
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Well, I know people are going to find your book on Amazon.
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I'm open to page right here and it says in between the lines of faith and work by Ashley
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T. A. U. R. I. A. C.
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Yeah, we're just next.
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Everyone gets a writer's list.
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And I think this is just such a great resource for people and you were just such a great
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voice for people.
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So thank you so much for being on this Saturday.
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Yeah, I can thank you so much for having me up next.
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We have final thoughts for Sean and Bob.
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I'm Sean Bolz.
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Well, welcome back to final thoughts.
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Sean, one of the things that she talked about that really impacted me was how she questioned
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herself.
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And, you know, we talked a little bit about the imposter syndrome, but Sean, over the
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almost 200 episodes, we've talked to so many people who deal with this who think that they
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are actually imposters and not as good as what they should be.
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And I often referred to a study that was in the Harvard business review that was talked
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about the 10 things that some of the most, some of the CEOs of the biggest companies
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in the world are afraid of.
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And number one is the imposter syndrome.
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It's so wild.
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You say that too.
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I love that you brought this point up because those of you who are following the X1 and
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marketplace, we know a lot of you guys are regular listeners and viewers.
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And I mean, it's amazing to hear.
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I hear it is again, a medical doctor who's practicing and doing a great job who feels
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like, you know, she's pursuing a career.
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I'm not good enough or this isn't for me.
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I mean, we've got to have something else or I'm not my whole background doesn't support
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this.
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And I love when we follow God.
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It just that he leads us in ways that it's always going to feel too big for us.
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It's always going to feel like we're not the right person.
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We're always going to feel like we're not qualified enough.
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So I like that you brought this up because I felt like in her story, she even had reasons
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to feel disqualified with the medical condition and yet she's so pursued it and like what
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happened.
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And I think we have to get that point where it doesn't matter what we feel is going to
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get in the way that we just say, why not go after the dream?
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Why not try it?
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Why not go after the dream of God, not just the imagination dream, but the dream of God.
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And she had a clear sense since she was young about being a medical doctor.
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Some of you who are watching and listening, you have a clear sense of what you're supposed
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to be doing.
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You could be 50 years old and you're not doing it yet.
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So why not go after it?
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At some point, why not live with a possibility even if you don't feel qualified or you could
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do it rather than live with a measure of I didn't live a complete life?
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Well, I just came across this speaking of this.
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This is the age that some of the most well-known people started.
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Henry Ford, Ford started at 40 years old.
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Christian Dior, 41 years old.
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Sam Walton of Walmart, 44 years old.
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Bob Parsons of GoDaddy at 47 years old.
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Bernie Marcus, Home Depot, 49 years old.
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He started Ray Kroc from McDonald's.
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He was 52.
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The Red Bull guy, Chalaleo Udvia, he was 53.
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Harlan Sanders, Kentucky Fried Chicken started Kentucky Fried Chicken when he was 62.
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And most recently, Bill Porter from eTrade started when he was 63.
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I'm in my 40s.
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I can still try.
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Right.
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You're not behind.
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You know, there's all these decisions and choices that we have to make.
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And we learned from Dr. Ashley that, you know, she had the character to continue to make
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these choices.
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And you know, she told us in the pre-show that she wasn't going to let the enemy take
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her out.
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And I just thought, you know, her stick-to-itiveness, her drive, her desire to move forward on
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her dream was something that, you know, really, really ministered to me.
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Well, you know, one of the fruit of the spirit in Galatians, according to the message version,
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which is a controversial version, but I like how they say it, is that willingness to stick
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to things, that's a fruit of the spirit.
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And I think it also wants to marshal your energy as well.
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And I think, man, that's the fruit this generation needs, is to stick to things and also know
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how to know what to do with the energy God's given us.
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And this is so important.
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Well, I'm so glad we had this conversation today.
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And if you've been enjoying these conversations, I want to encourage you, this show is made
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We'll see you next time.
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Thanks for exploring what God is doing in the marketplace.
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