When Your Heart Follows God, He Won’t Let You Fall with Cody Bobay (S:3 - Ep 64)

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Welcome to Exploring the Marketplace Show, where we're creating a conversation for what

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God's doing to Christians in the marketplace.

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I'm Sean Boles, and my co-host is Bob Hasson.

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We interview everyday influencers, business leaders, and entrepreneurs from all areas

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of industry, exposing you to powerful stories of what God's doing to people just like you.

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and politics.

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Come join the conversation now.

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Welcome to Exploring the Marketplace.

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I'm Bob Hasson with my friend Sean Boles.

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Sean, who do we have on the show today?

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You know, Bob, we have different types of people all the time, and I love that we have

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such a diverse group today as we're going to have a diversity because we have an aspiring

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action hero who's coming out who's my friend Cody Bobay.

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And Cody, I met him years ago through, I think, an event or something.

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We just stayed in contact all this time.

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And he has been writing books and especially helping the conversation of masculinity go

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forward in the body of Christ.

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He's written some books and that soul con is one of them.

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He's done soul con events.

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And then recently he transitioned into full-time acting and he's been doing just a bang-up

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job, just doing great.

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But I love his process because he's very vulnerable.

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He's very well-spoken.

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He's very articulate.

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He's very real.

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He's authentic.

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So I think God is going to raise it.

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People like Cody, I think we'll look back at the show and go, man, look how far Cody's

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coming in three years from now, five years from now, as far as being in that role, that

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then he gets speak to that group of people, which is men around the body of Christ.

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And some of you who are watching and listening, you have something, a dream in your heart

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and you need to hear from somebody who's currently in the middle of achieving a level

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of that dream.

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That's just awesome.

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I just love it.

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So I'm going to ask this Cody Bobay.

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Welcome back.

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We're here with Cody Bobay.

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Sean, how awesome is this interview going to be?

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Well, Cody, I mean, we've known each other for a little bit and I just love watching

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your life, your trajectory.

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And you've inspired so many people, especially men, like the masculine soul is like dead

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in our country right now, except for people like you who rise up and say, Hey, it can

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be different.

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You can be a true man.

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I just love that about you.

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But you're also an actor.

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And I've watched that journey as well with your short film and now you're a full-time

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acting gig.

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I just think this is so awesome.

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But welcome to the show.

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We're so glad to have you on today.

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Thank you, brother.

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I appreciate both of you and Sean, grateful for our friendship.

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So yeah, I'm just, I'm so grateful for just who you've been for all these years, just

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watching you be steady and faithful.

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And there's people who are in the entertainment industry who I think would really respond well

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to someone like you because you're so not abrasive, but you're so intense in the right

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way.

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And I love that about you.

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Take us on the journey because like, you know, there's a lot of people who are watching

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or listening and they're in their career.

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They're trying to pursue a God dream.

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They're going after life with like a God intention to it.

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And when they listen to our stories that we play on the show, they, a lot of times I know

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you listen to viewers, you're like, I see myself in a story.

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That's me.

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That's what I want.

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That's how I want to hear from God.

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So take us on the story there because it hasn't always been easy, but God's been leading

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you this whole time to talk to us.

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Yeah.

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Thank you so much.

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And I really just want to pour courage into everybody's soul that when God calls you to

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something, you have that experience of, I love Stephen Ferdick says you're about 60%

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sure every time you feel God leading you into something you've got to take that risk.

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So it's like, man, I'm 60% sure this is the Holy Spirit calling me and you take that step

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and he's going to bridge that gap and you're going to experience that journey.

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My favorite thing about following Jesus is when your heart is after him, he's not going

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to punish you for taking risks for what you believe is him.

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And I've learned that because people can look at me, maybe social media, my acting and say,

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man, he's had it easy.

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And my wife of 17 and a half years who's amazing will tell them immediately that no, no, I've

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actually, I feel like I'm living Rocky one constantly, that the motivational montage

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of getting your butt kicked and getting backed up when God gives you a dream.

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And I want everybody to guess when God gives you a dream, Satan is aware of your language

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that you start communicating about that dream and he'll put opposition to blind you from

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the truth of that dream becoming a reality.

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He'll take insecurities from your past, different things and man, when I had the dream to write

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books, all I heard from loving people, now this is really important, it's loving people

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that care about you that can speak death into your life.

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They're trying to speak safety and the safest place you can be is in the risk of following

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what God has asked you and called you to do.

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And that has taken me and my wife so long to figure out because the greatest hurt I have

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are from the closest friends and the closest family members you'd never think would come

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after you, but they're not trying to do it out of being hurtful.

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They're trying to do it to keep you safe.

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And man, I was like, I want to write a book and everybody's like, well, you don't have

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a degree and you've never written a book.

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And you know, at that point I was in the military and I was like, yeah, but I feel like God's

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calling me right a book, but now I've written for and I have a graduate degree.

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So what I found was people can take the mantle of what they perceive you as and speak to

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you, but that's not, we have friends that speak life to us.

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But when somebody looks at you and assesses your future based on your current resume or

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your past abilities, they're not speaking the kingdom to you.

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When you have kingdom language to say, this is where I feel called to cool, let's assess

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it based on your spiritual gifts, your abilities.

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What is your dream?

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What are you hearing from God?

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You've got to be awkward as friends, right?

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Like we've got to be in the space of the mystical of who Christ is.

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But people just looked at me and said, no, you can't, you can't write books.

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But I knew inside my heart, I believe that God has called me to.

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Now I got my butt kicked along the way.

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My first blog had 30 hits.

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I was devastated.

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It took me a long time to see, but eventually I became an author and my book is translated

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now into four different languages.

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And at one point hit the international best sellers list.

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God is so faithful.

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If we, God is always faithful, period.

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So God is faithful.

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We have to trust in his faithfulness and not what our world says.

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Let me just be really honest.

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There's guys like David Goggins out in this world that say, man, look in the mirror.

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It's you versus you.

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I think the mirror is the biggest blinder we have to experiencing our destiny that God

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has called us to.

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Because if we think the fight is between ourself, then all we can see is who we are and what

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we've been through.

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I write scripture on my mirror.

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I have scripture up.

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I tell people, like use that mirror to see through it, not to see your current circumstance.

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What's possible, where you're at, take assessment, scales are good, mirrors are good, all that.

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But it is not a war between you and yourself.

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It's a war to say, I believe God has called me to something I'm going to fight for.

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My life has been that fight, John.

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Well, it plays into your first short film, it's very much battle.

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And in your action star, several roles were playing as action, which I think plays off

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really well in your story.

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So ground us in the actual story.

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You were in the military, and how did God apprehend you and how did He apprehend you

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for a career like this?

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Yeah.

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Thank you so much.

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When I left the military, I had six years active duty in the United States Navy.

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I love the Navy.

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Thank you, Rick.

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Thank you.

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I knew God gave me a dream.

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And Sean, it's what you write about and speak about and have encouraged me so much personally

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to say, and when God gives you that dream, you've got to listen and you've got to hang

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on to it.

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And then He's going to expand your vision.

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He's going to work on that.

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And then your actions will be a reflection of what you believe.

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So it was at that time, I felt God had called me to encourage Christians globally, write

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to them and communicate.

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I remember when I was getting out, guys were like, you have an above top secret clearance,

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man.

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You could stay in.

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You have a whole career set.

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You have a successful career.

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But I knew the safest place I could be was following what God had called me to.

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And I had no career lined up.

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I was married at the time.

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A lot of family were like, this is stupid.

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What are you doing?

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And now looking back, you see God shooting buzzer beaters in my life, like last minute,

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and you see His faithfulness.

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And you see His passion to tell that story.

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So I got out of the military, went through that process, eventually finished my undergraduate

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degree, then graduate degree, wrote.

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It took me five and a half years to write my first book, grit, tears fighting through

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all of that, and then became a speaker and spoke around the country and two different

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countries.

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And eventually the Lord said, hey, I'm calling you and your family to act.

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And my wife's response with me, we are in Oklahoma.

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I told her the next morning and we sold our house had no idea where we were moving and

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said yes to what God was calling us to.

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And I had never acted in my life.

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Honestly, Sean, I thought actors were sissies.

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Like I was like, hey, there's real fighting and then there's fighting on TV.

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I'm the other guy.

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I know how to really fight.

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But man, I learned to eat humble pie with that because I learned the language of fighting

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on film and just anything that I feel that God has called me to, I never want to die

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with this heart of saying, oh, I have did it.

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If I feel it and me and my wife pray about it and this is very important for everybody

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married.

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Like if your wife, man, pray with your wife, take time, don't rush ahead.

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I've failed multiple times with that.

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Go together.

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I believe if you go together in the spirit as a husband and wife, you won't fail.

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Your experience failures.

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You're not going to fail.

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Yeah, Cody, that is beautiful.

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You've mentioned the word safe a couple of times and what from your story so far, you

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had a bunch of friends and family who were calling you to be safe by not taking a risk.

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But you're talking about the safety of being in the Lord.

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And that's the world saying, be safe.

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Don't take a risk.

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You're talking about safety by being in the Lord.

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What are the two things that you think as men that we could do that would help our spiritual

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growth?

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Yeah, I, man, just that's, I love that question so much.

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And just what I feel like the Holy Spirit has put on my mind is the picture of David

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when he's 50.

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David, technically, when he was 50 was the safest place that he could be.

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He's in his palace.

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He's not at war.

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He's not fighting.

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Well, that was the most destructive place that man ever was in his entire life, was

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not taking the risk of being in the position and shone your book encounters.

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I love, like, you've got to be in the position the Lord is calling you to because he's building

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this underground root system.

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And I think when people really process it to say, oh, that's risky looking, like people

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would told me when I became an actor, gosh, like, what about money for you have two kids?

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I have, you know, now 12 and a half year old and an 11 year old, you have two kids, how

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are you going to provide for him?

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And I, I guess my job, theologically, is not to provide for my kids.

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My job is to follow Jesus and he's going to provide for me and my family.

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His provision is his stewardship is my responsibility.

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And I'd see this in the masculine soul of this, this, this longing to be safe.

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And I try to remind men constantly the best place that you'll be is when you wake up on

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the battlefield as a man, when you're warring for souls, when you're, when you're, when

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you're looking like work, there's a reason why movies like 300 inspire us to go do awesome

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things, work out, eat healthy because we're, we're created as men for camaraderie, for

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brotherhood.

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And I saw it when, when I, especially when I stepped into acting people, man, they, they

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still do.

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Like I have a really phenomenal acting job.

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I'm part of right now, this really cool film called Savage.

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It's a movie series.

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We're filming part one now feature like them.

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But people will be like, man, so what are you going to do next?

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It's like, well, the same thing I've done my entire life.

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I got saved when I was 18 and I'm 38.

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I'm going to trust God for tomorrow because here's the truth.

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I'm believing for a long, satisfied, great life, but I'm a warrior in his kingdom and

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I am expendable.

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So I don't know, like I'm not going to worry about tomorrow and be faithful today.

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Man, that's like so intense because I feel like I think of people who again might be

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watching or listening.

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I know that they're looking at your life going, I need my five year plan.

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I need that security and you're taking the security blanket out of us and saying, it's

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all about faith.

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I don't know for me, I live in that divine tension.

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Like I live in, we've made a lot of decisions.

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Sometimes Bob will watch us and go, y'all have taken some big jumps, even while I've been

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friends with you, some big jumps.

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And we land them, which is really cool.

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Like do we land that, you know, like by the time we take it, we land them not because

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of us and our strength, but because we're living in that place of like God, we want

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a God result.

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We want a result we can bring ourselves to.

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And I think Bob's the same way.

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So when I say that he's not just watching me, I'm watching him do the same thing, but there

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is that divine tension.

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And I think men, you're right, are made for that because if we're not in that place of

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divine tension, then we start to get distracted by the things of the world so easily.

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It's like so easy to get involved in lust or so easy to get involved with like drinking

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or whatever it is, you know, like kind of addicted patterns because you get out of that

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And every time I plan the most American Christians is literally just sitting in front of a couch

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and watch golf or football.

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You know, it's like, it's not a retirement plan.

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It's like it literally a death plan.

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It's this is what you do to tell you die.

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So I love what you're saying because I do feel like you have to start these patterns

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now.

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And I watched two friends pass away in the last couple of years who were both in their

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eighties and one had just finished by kind of retiring and getting slow and getting quiet

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and just kind of disengaging from life.

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And I love him and I love his legacy.

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But the other one was till the day he died, he was like level 10.

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Like he was just going.

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old and Bob's still young.

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He has a lot of years ahead of him, but I want to be like Bob at 64.

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You know, like Bob is going for on so many friends helping churches, plants, helping

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businesses go forward, helping.

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There's not one minute of his day that's like passive unless he's resting and it's intentional

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about it.

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So I just say this because I think you're so inspirational.

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Tell us about one of the hardest periods of your life.

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I just want to go down to like, you know, you've written these books.

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the theme of this.

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And I love watching these on social media and these things that you've done and brought

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up and then, you know, now acting talk about like when you had friends who were kind of

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like, you know, I'm not sure about this and family.

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And that's super painful.

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Talk about another period of time that you had overcome.

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I just want to man encourage everybody listening your darkest moment as a believer and as a

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nonbeliever.

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I want to speak to the believer soul that darkest moment you're the most ashamed of.

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I'm going to show the story.

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God loves you just as much than as he does right now.

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Maybe this is your best moment.

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He loves you more than you'll ever be able to comprehend.

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And once you experience that love at your lowest, you're, you've got completely destroyed

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and you're at the bottom, maybe it's self-inflicted and you feel, hey, God loves me here.

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And then it changes everything.

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For me, I'll never forget, this is a very embarrassing story to tell.

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I want to share it.

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It was 5.14 AM.

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I had a, I thought everything was, we had this big film deal.

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I was ready.

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I've been training for it for a year.

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I was about to bring one of the most famous characters in the Old Testament to life in

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a feature length film and everything fell apart.

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Everything.

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And I watched it.

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And here's what's really important for, I think, people to understand.

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I watched it and I believe it was God's hand causing it all to fall apart.

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And he never told me why.

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I felt like a faithful sheep walking next to Jesus and he turned around and snapped

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my legs.

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I'm like, man, there's, there's sheep that are lost and running away and you broke my

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legs.

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And I remember the feeling.

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It took me three months to recover from 5.14 AM.

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I'm going to work out.

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I take my headphones off.

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I walk out in the parking lot and I cussed God out the most.

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I was screaming in the gym parking lot.

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And I told him things that should make me feel embarrassed throughout all eternity.

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Like if you really have power, just kill me.

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I think you don't have power.

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And it was offensive.

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And I was the most raw and ugly and spinning and I was screaming and it was about three

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to five minutes of just screaming at God.

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And I stopped and I ran out of energy and I felt this wave of love come over me so much.

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I couldn't even think about it.

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I had to go back to my car and I remember telling him, I said, if you love me after

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that, like that changes everything for me.

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And it was that moment that I realized, oh, like God's my best friend.

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And that's what wrecked me about it.

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Because I felt like I was walking with my best friend into a battle and he, he didn't tell

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me it was going to fail.

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And he didn't tell me why.

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And from that point forward, I've read the book of Job with a different perspective.

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And God helped me see that when he reveals how holy he is to you, it's one of his greatest

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privileges that he can give us.

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And, you know, I just cried a lot through that time.

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And God showed me that he never sat down with Job because I think as a dad, right?

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Like I'm a dad, I would sit down with Job and rather than saying in Job 38, stand up

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like a man and talk to me.

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Like I want you to address me.

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I would sit down and be like, Hey, bud, first, I'm so sorry, but I want you to know that

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billions of people are going to be inspired by the story.

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This is going to be the first book chronologically in a book called The Bible, which is my word.

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Satan came into my court and accused you.

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I'm so proud of you.

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God didn't, he didn't do that.

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And I think a lot of men today around the world are expecting God to be this cuddly

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creature to us.

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And he, I think the most loving thing that God can do, embrace us in a hug and say, Hey,

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this is who I am.

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I'm holy.

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And my response to his holiness at that point felt like Isaiah six, eight.

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I was like, wow.

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Okay, cool.

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Send me.

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Here I am.

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Whatever you're sending me into, if you can love me after literally cussing you out, telling

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you to just kill me, I didn't, who guys, it was bad.

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And I felt the most intimate hug I've ever felt from the Lord.

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And from that point forward, he changed the course of my acting career, but he's, I have

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a more intimate friendship with him today than I've ever had in my entire life.

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And I will tell anybody about him because that moment, my most broken moment, ugly, embarrassing

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moment, I don't want to show anybody.

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He loves me there.

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He loves me through anything.

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I think Cody, we find out that God can take it.

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God can take how we feel and he wants to hear it.

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He wants us to be vulnerable.

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He hung him across for us.

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He shed his blood for us.

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He can certainly take anger and emotion.

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And what you're hitting on right now is something that I think so many people have pent up emotions

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towards God and that, that's stopping them from moving forward.

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You and I were talking a little earlier about listening out, banging.

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And I love what you have to say about that.

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Why don't you tell our audience about how you, how you feel about that?

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My conclusion to this point, I've authored four books, been through a lot of life, six

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years of military, ton of life experience.

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My conclusion of my, if you want to be successful with following the Lord and you want to have

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a God honoring successful life, it comes down to two things.

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Listen to his voice and obey him.

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Like, if you can listen to his voice and obey what he tells you to do, you are guaranteed

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success.

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In Deuteronomy 28, he's like, oh, you know, Moses like, hey, guys, listen to this, before

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we go take this, I want you to listen to this.

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If you do these things, this is what's going to, these are the rewards.

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If you don't do these things, these are the consequences.

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And I understand that more today as a parent, because when I tell my 12 and a half year old

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boy who's about ready to start, he's like starting the puberty process.

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Hey man, I need you to go do that, please.

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Why?

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's like, wait, wait, wait, what?

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How about, you know, and I, so I made a commitment with the Lord that I'm never going to ask

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him why again.

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If you, if he wants to tell me why I would love to listen, but my, my commitment now is

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I sit with him every morning and say, what would you have me to do?

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And you tell me to do it.

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And he just told me something really uncomfortable of this last week that even at this point

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in my relationship with being a man, he wants me to do something for the guy that we've

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just bought a car from that I don't know and is, is extravagant.

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And I'm kind of, I kind of delayed in the process because I'm waiting.

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It's on his terms and the Holy spirit checked me this morning to say, do what you said,

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listen and obey.

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And I want to be that guy because I don't want to be the guy that finishes my life and

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it's safe.

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And I retired and kind of kicked my feet up and I was like, oh cool.

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I made it, you know, coasted in.

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I don't want to be the guy that says, God, if you tell me the book of Joshua changed

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my life when I was 18, I'll never forget.

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Joshua crosses over with all these guys and they just crossed another river, another,

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you know, I guess Jordan River massive river at that time on dry ground.

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I'm the guy that's like sweet.

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Let's go take them.

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Adrenaline's, I mean, I, if I was one of those warriors, let's go.

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Joshua says, God, what do you want us to do?

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I want you to go circumcise your men.

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I would be like, wait, wait, that's a bad battle plan.

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Can't we do that after we go call for these guys?

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And God's plan.

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And then he's like, Hey, I want you to push, put the worship leaders up front and expose

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your entire army, all your families.

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I want you to make yourself completely exposed for seven days.

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And I realized at that moment when I was 18, reading the book of Joshua, that God's plans

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are completely higher and different, but his plans are to bring him glory through our lives.

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They're not to bring us glory.

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Because I can make, we can all make great plans and God tells us to do that, make great

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plans.

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And I have a graduate degree in business.

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I can make a great plan, but I promise you, if we just all cross over the Jordan on dry

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ground, my best Excel spreadsheet PowerPoint, everything would not be to circumcise our

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men.

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You just had a brand new book about Cody and tell us all about the book.

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How do people get it?

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Tell us about it.

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Yeah, man, I would, the book title is rock Kazak.

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It is really, it's the most passionate book I've ever been a part of with the Lord.

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And I say part of rock Kazak comes from Kazak amats in the Bible.

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It means it was the ancient Hebrew war cry that Moses taught Joshua and Caleb and in

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my book, I have young David dreaming of, dreaming of those guys recounting, visualizing Caleb

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and Joshua saying rock Kazak.

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And in the book, it goes through David's life before he fights Goliath.

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And then I share part of my story, every chapter is part of David's life before he fights

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Goliath and part of my story.

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And it's the first book I've ever written that is 100% about the person reading it or

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listening to it.

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And I felt it.

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And I want to share this with everybody listening.

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I told my wife, I would never write a book again, because as you guys know, it's hard

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to write a book.

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It takes a part of, like you invest your soul for that time and it's so rich, but it's really

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hard and tedious.

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And I went on a retreat with a whole bunch of filmmakers and actors and musicians and

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we're there and the Holy Spirit one morning completely, I see the entire book.

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He gives me the test to say, will you listen and obey?

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And I see the title, you guys know this is authors.

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I saw the title of the book.

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I saw the cover of the book, exactly how it was supposed to look.

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I saw the entire story.

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I saw David sitting there weeping when he found out that his dad didn't invite him into

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meet the great prophet Samuel.

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I saw him face the lion the first time and get defeated and learn, if you say a war cry,

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but you don't have the anointing of a warrior, you're going to get defeated and how important

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is to, for all of us to walk through life with the anointing that God has given us and

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not the motivation of all these big speakers that say, man, if you believe that you can

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achieve it, you don't want that.

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You don't want that.

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Yes.

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In God's kingdom, we are believers in Jesus Christ, but we have to act and go according

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to what he's called us to and wait.

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We have to wait for his timing.

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So I want everybody, this book for men and women, everything I do is written to the masculine

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soul, but it challenges you to look at every day different, your career, your fitness,

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your diet, say, what if you lived with a war crime mentality in everyday life with praying

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for people, leading people to Jesus, giving your money generously to people.

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So I think it's just one of those ones that's completely, I know, I know when people read

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it, every word in there was written for them and I know it's anointed.

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So I think it's the experience I had with the Lord.

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It will help people and I hope it changes a lot of lives.

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I'm intrigued.

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Yeah.

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Thank you.

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It's so exciting.

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Well, wow, this, this went by fast so they can get the books on Amazon.

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That's the best place to get it.

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And up next, we have final thoughts with Sean and Bob.

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I'm Sean Boles.

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Plus our back catalog is available to you as well on spiritual gifts, especially hearing

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God's voice and also a deeper connection to the Holy Spirit and how to walk with him in

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real ways in the days we're living in right now.

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Come join us at spiritual growth Academy by going to bullsministries.com and clicking

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on the Academy button.

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Well, welcome back to final thoughts with Sean and Bob.

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Bob, what did you think?

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I thought, I thought Cody was full of energy and sold out to Jesus.

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I love seeing a man who constantly references his wife and his kids and, and is talking about,

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you know, the things that are real and how much the Bible has impacted him.

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I thought, you know, he mentioned the Bible stories that impacted him when he was 18 years

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old.

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Yeah.

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And I know that he's had struggles in the 20 years since that he's found, found the

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Lord.

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But, but I see a man who is really, really trying to do the right thing and really trying

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to give people courage.

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And I'm excited to see these movies, these shows that he's working on.

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Well, I think there's so many people right now who God's raising out by speaking or

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encountering them to do the thing they're called to do.

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That's what Cody is that he's following Jesus into this industry.

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He is following Jesus into this plan that only God could have brought him.

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And he's already, he already had to graduate that with authoring.

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I mean, we talked about the biggest critics where his family and friends, which is so

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true of so many of us, right?

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Like, I mean, so many of us, I remember believing things.

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I went, I moved all the way across country to Kansas city.

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And I was like, yeah, I want to be in ministry.

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And I told this group of people that our other ministry school students, yeah, I want to

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be a minister.

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I'm excited to be here.

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And they looked at me like, you're never going to be a ministry.

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I'm like, why would we all be here if we're not going to be in ministry?

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They're like, oh, I'm going to graduate and I'm going to become a real estate agent.

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I'm like, why are you here then?

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Yeah.

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Like come because God sent you whatever it is he's sending you to, let him send you.

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And I just love that it was part of, you know, his calling.

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It reminds me to get better friends too and family because if you're sharing your dream

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and people are shooting you down like that, I'm like, there's a difference between risk

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management and asking questions and saying, are you sure?

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Have you thought about it?

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But to pronounce something like, I just think it's hilarious, Sean, you're never going to

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be in ministry.

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And here you are 30 years later impacting the world for the gospel, for Jesus.

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It's just amazing that people would have the audacity to be able to say things like that.

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And I think people don't have a bad heart, but I think there's sometimes when we're dreaming

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with somebody that we have to say to them, maybe, maybe they're not the wrong people,

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but you have to say, hey, I'm going to share a dream of my heart with you and don't put

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feasibility on and don't think of me for who I am today.

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Like you actually coach your friendships on how to dream with you.

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And I've had to do that with my wife and she's going to do it with me where it's like, okay,

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if she did it with me one time over at house, she goes, let's take feasibility and practice

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on this off of this and let's dream from it about what we need for our family and then

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ask God for it.

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And I'm like, I don't know if I can do that because we were just working on starting

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our home and what she was asking us to do is like, let's dream about the bigger home

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and I wanted to be practical and she didn't want me to be practical.

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So there's a time that we could be at war with each other because we're doing feasibility.

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We're wearing the credibility hat of like, do you in your current state, could you accomplish

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this?

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And the answer might be no.

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As a Christian, you may not be able to do it without God, but when you add God to the

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equation and you also add the human ability to dream with God's equation, it changes everything.

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So I hope people got that from this.

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I hope if you've been the friend who discouraged your friend that you can maybe take your feasibility

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hat off or if you've been that friend who's been discouraged, you don't necessarily have

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to disengage that relationship.

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Maybe you just have to change the way you're sharing your heart.

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Yeah.

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And I think one of the things we've learned, Sean, and you teach about is the prophetic

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sees people the way God sees people.

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And so if we just have our eyes on like who I was when I was 18 versus who I am when I'm

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64, there's no way we can see it.

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And so hearing the voice of God for our friends is super important and being able to encourage

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them into the things that are the desires of their heart.

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Well, I remember one time I had all the young adults of this church over to the hotel I was

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staying at.

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We were having like a movie pizza party or whatever.

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I was really good friends of this church and like the seventh time I've been there as friends

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of the sum was a young adult pastor.

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And this guy shows up at the door to deliver our pizza that we'd ordered and I go and they

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were just complaining they didn't have a drummer for the next day Sunday.

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They didn't have a drummer.

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All the drummers couldn't drum whatever.

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So guy shows up and I see him with God's love.

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I could see he's a worshipper.

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He's a drummer, but he's not even saved yet.

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So I said, Hey, do you play the drums?

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He goes, I'm trying to learn how to play the drums.

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I go, could you come to our church service tomorrow and play drums for our team?

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We need somebody to help us.

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There's a guy, I mean, I believe in God.

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I'd like to try.

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And the whole group is like, you can't invite somewhere in a pizza guy to come play drums

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for our church.

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What is going to be?

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I was like, trust me, trust God and him.

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And so he comes to the church next morning and practices with him and is better than all

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of their best drummers, but has never even been on a team or perform.

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And he's better than their best.

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And he gets saved through the experience.

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He gets saved as he's drumming.

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He has an encounter with God and he's been their drummer ever since.

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Like he's just been the main drummer.

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So I just, you just never know, like you can't, his parents and family might have looked at

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him and said, yeah, pizza delivery is a good thing for you, but God had a dream for him.

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And I think we have to be those people who see each other that way.

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So that's a great takeaway.

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That's a great final thought today as far as what you brought up.

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So I think it's so good.

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Well, if you've been enjoying the show, I'm going to encourage you to connect to us online

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and also Bob and I have a book called Wired to Hear, which will help you with these principles

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of how to hear God for your dreams, for your career.

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And I hope you're going to anywhere that books are sold.

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You can get from bowlsministries.com as well.

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We'll see you next time.

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See you next time.

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Thanks for exploring what God is doing in the marketplace with us.

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We have amazing resources for you at our website with free videos, taking online classes,

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that are online school, spiritual growth Academy, or get one of our books, including the one

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Bob and I authored together Wired to Hear.

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Come visit us on social media.

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