(183) “Eternal Light vs. Temporary Darkness” with Dean Braxton

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That's the author. The author is light, period.

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Wow.

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Yes.

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You know, the Bible says He's the indescribable light. He's light, period. And that's what we

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are connected to within that light, you know, is love. You can't separate the two. We tried to

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talk about light separate from love, and the two can never be separated. When I was there with the

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Father and Jesus, Jesus, the light was coming all for Him, and it was coming into me. It was coming

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around me. I felt like when people sometimes say, Did He hug you? Everything about Him was hugging me.

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God promises in Joel 2.28 to pour out His Spirit on all humanity. Welcome to Global Outpouring,

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where we contend for that promised outpouring, we equip for that outpouring,

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so that we may engage in that very outpouring. I'm Philip Buss.

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And I'm Sharon Buss. Welcome to the podcast today. We are so happy and privileged to have our dear

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friend, Dean Braxton, with us today. He's the man that we know, and there have been many,

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but he's the one that we know who has had a visit to heaven because he died. He absolutely died for

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an hour and 45 minutes, and he had an experience in Heaven that is going to be something that will

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change your life as you hear him talk. And today we're going to talk about things that he saw

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regarding light and darkness. Thanks for joining us today. We're glad that you are with us, and we

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you're just going to enjoy this podcast, but we'd like to hear from you about how the Lord is using

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this in your life. So we have with us today our dear friend, Dean Braxton. And Dean, thank you so,

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so, so much for being with us today. Well, thank you. It's an honor to be with you and

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to be able to participate in this global outpouring. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. The Lord is

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about to pour out His Spirit in an unprecedented way. What happened on the day of Pentecost in the

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book of Acts is just a seed form of what God is about to do. Do I have that right? Did you see

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that in heaven? Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. So a whole lot more details than most people think about

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in that moment. So, oh, please tell us. Tell us some more. You know, one of the things that I

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think a lot of times that you read in that moment of second chapter of Acts, when you know that

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pouring out on people, especially the 120, I believe it is, you know, one of the things that

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people don't realize that a lot of those descriptions weren't just air or elements,

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those were really beings that were being sent from that realm down to this realm. And the best way

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they could describe them is to use things like fire, mighty rushing wind, but the reality of them,

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they were beings that were being ushered in. It would be like an entourage going before

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a great event was going to take place. And so, that was really one of the things that I experienced

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when I was with the Father in Jesus in heaven about that outpouring. And in any outpouring,

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there's always going to be an entourage, heavenly beings before the outpouring. We may feel the wind,

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we may see the fire, we may even sense it in our body, but the reality of it, God just sent off,

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you could say, an army, an army of heavenly beings into that moment. You know, we're trying to

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describe that, or even in Acts, they're trying to describe that really all these heavenly beings

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showing up at one time. That's different than we've imagined. Yeah. Yeah, when you read it now,

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you'll look at it and you'll think, whoa, this is, this is, and this is, and you'll find parallels

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with it in the scripture somewhere else. You know what I mean? And when he said,

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I'll pour out my spirit, remember he said he'd pour out his spirit. And so, we think, okay,

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just the Holy Spirit. No, there were a number of things that came along with that, because you've

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got to remember, God is going to have an entourage. There's just not going to be God Himself.

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You know, that would mean Jesus had an entourage. We know that with the whole thing with the garden,

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whole thing, you know, when he was in the garden. And he said, my father will send, you know,

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what, 12 legions of angels, which is really 72,000 angels. Wow. And then people don't realize that

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wherever God goes, there's going to be an entourage with him. You know, it's not going to be by himself.

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No, you know, the King has an entourage. Even when Jesus comes back, remember it says,

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when Jesus comes back, he's going to come back with an entourage. So most of us don't realize

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all those events that we hear about God showing up, there's an entourage with him. You know,

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what do you think about it? I can go one more place. When Jesus was being born, here comes a

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bunch of angels talking to shepherds. So there is always an entourage of beings. I call them beings.

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They're being everything God created them to be, you know. And so, they're showing up in the moment

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that they're supposed to show up in the, when you say the details that they are in that moment. And

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so what I mean by that, whatever they're supposed to be do, whatever their responsibility is to do,

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they're doing it at that moment. So on that day of Pentecost, you know, there was an entourage that

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showed up. It wasn't just what people think, just some wind and some fire and things like that.

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It was an entourage that showed up on that day. And that's what caused the ruckus throughout the

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city, not just the speaking and other languages, our tongues as we call it, but just, you know,

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I keep in my mind, I think about when the wise men came into Jerusalem looking for Jesus,

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didn't they have an entourage with them? They didn't come by them. We say three wise men,

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but the reality of it is if you really do the study of this morning, three people that showed

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up, it was an entourage. It was caused such a stir in the city. I wouldn't God have that same thing

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happen when he shows up somewhere. So I get excited about that. So when you ask that question,

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that opened up that door for me to be able to explain it. Yes. Beautiful. Beautiful. Wow.

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Wow. That's some more questions here. Well, the question that has been on my mind,

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as I've been anticipating this interview, wait a minute, before I get onto that, I want to just

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say something else. We know that you have been involved in a movie project. Yes. And it's called

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After Death. And it's been produced by Angel Studios, the ones who produced The Chosen

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and The Sound of Freedom. They made that one. And it's coming up into the theaters October 27th.

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And you are a part of that. Have you seen the whole movie yourself yet? No, I haven't seen the

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whole movie. They're doing a couple of previews, one in Utah, the one in LA. I'm busy those days,

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so I'm not going to be able to do it. What I found out is I am in that movie. I have a part

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in that movie. I don't know how big a part or how small a part, but I have a part in the movie,

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which is okay with me. My thing is that Jesus is glorified. Yes. And that's the main thing

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that I want. The movie really is about people, what they call after death, which is kind of ironic

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to me. One of the people in the movie even said, you're more alive there than you are here. Exactly.

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You're not dead. You're not dead at all. Right. But to get people's attention, we call it after

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death. And so that's what they called it and things like that. It was literally filmed in 2020.

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Oh, wow. And they went through it. And I think the unique part of it though is they did find

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people that had died and didn't go to hell when they went to hell. So you got their story too

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in that. Wow. Which I think is really good. So I would encourage it for anybody to go out and see

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it, not because I'm in the movie, but because I really believe it's going to open the door for a

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lot of people to start questioning. There is something after this life on this planet. For

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me, I was born again, new Jesus Christ, the Lord and savior, and you heard it. I went where Christians

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are supposed to go. And so majority of the people that I know that are in this movie, they were all

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Christians. They loved the Lord. And so their experience was one that was good, except for the

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people that did know the Lord. And their experience was really something that was bad. Yeah. You know,

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and so I hope that this opens the eyes of many people to start looking, to start searching,

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and to search for the right way, not the wrong way. Jesus Christ said, I'm the way, the truth

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and the life. No one comes to the father except through me. Yeah. And he is the only way. There

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is no other way. So as they go to the movie, I know my friend, John Burke, which is in the movie,

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he said later on him and the guy that Don Piper and him and someone else did more of an extensive

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movement towards Jesus. What I mean by that is the movie kind of like tries to get people to

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question. And then there's this whole question and answering piece that can come with it,

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that really is to say, Hey, it's about Jesus. Right. And so I was really excited to hear that

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when John was telling me about it. Oh, I'm glad to hear that. I'm glad to hear that. Be in prayer,

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listener, be in prayer for this movie to make a difference in people's lives, that God will plow

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the hearts of the people that are going to attend this movie and cause them to come to the movie

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that they didn't even intend to go and see. It's important for people to see this and for their

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hearts to be prepared. I think that's a really important prayer request that I want to encourage

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our listeners to pray into for this movie. It comes out October 27th. So regarding my first

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question, you said something about you're more alive there than you were here on the planet.

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And my question is, I want to give you the opportunity to describe what you saw based on

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a scripture. So many times we're asking you questions about what was it like or what did you

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see? Then we might say, well, what's the scripture for backing that up? But I want to give you a

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scripture to tell us what you saw that will help us to understand the scripture better. Because

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I've been thinking more recently, I think it was Bruce Allen that said, we read the Bible to get

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to know the author. And so I really want us to zoom in on you met the father and Jesus in heaven.

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And he showed you lots and lots and lots of things and you're not even going to tell anything until

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you get a question about it. So I want to give you a scripture so that you can say,

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here's what I saw about this scripture. So the first one that I want to give you is John 1, 4,

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and 5. In him was life and the life was the light of men. That's verse four. What did you see in

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heaven about Jesus that helps us understand that verse? In him was life and the life was the light

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of men. Well, you know, one of the things that I saw in him, okay, to really understand that life

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that he's talking about, it has to be mingled with love and not love according to human love.

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Okay, this is that agape love we always talk about, but it's even deeper than that. I think

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we're very short in trying to even explain agape love. We may go through 1 Corinthians,

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the 13th chapter and say, hey, this is agape, but I see that as we're coming way short. I believe

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we can really experience it more than we can explain it. And when it talks about that life

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that was in him, you know, which is our life, it's talking about God Almighty, period, himself.

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That God is infinite. There is no beginning and there is no end. And if you think that that's what

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resides on the inside of us, along with what resided on the inside of Jesus because of what he did,

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he became a human being. You know, God Almighty became a human being. And he died on a cross

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and paid the price for everybody on the planet. It didn't matter who they are, what they've done.

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It didn't matter if it was before he did that or after that he paid the price, period. You know,

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the bottom line is to accept what he did. That's the biggest thing. Before him, there were people

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that accepted that this was going to happen. And they got, what do you say, brought into the fold

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because they accepted it. They were anticipating that Jesus Christ was going to die on that cross.

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And they were going to...so that's life for them. And then there's us afterwards. Oh boy,

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this is good news. There's us afterwards that we get the opportunity now to accept what he did.

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That's the life he's talking about. That's the love he's talking about. You know, really,

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there's no way to, we say, pinpoint it to just one incident. I like what you said that Bruce

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Eiland said, you get to know the author. That's the author. The author is light, period.

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Wow.

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Yes.

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You know, the Bible said he's the indescribable light. He's light, period. And that's what we are

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connected to within that light, you know, is love. You can't separate the two. We try to talk about

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light separate from love, and the two can never be separated. When I was there with the Father

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in Jesus, Jesus, the light was coming off for him, and it was coming into me. It was coming

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around me. I felt like when people sometimes say, did he hug you? Everything about him was hugging me.

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I went into the light. I was in him, and he was in me. I came to understand that to the fullness,

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because most of us don't realize who resides on the inside of us. You know,

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do we think of it just a little? No, he resides within us. When I say that, Sharon, I'm not just

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talking about one little part of your heart. He's in your fingers. He's in your toes. He's in your

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eyes. He's everywhere within your body. That's what light does. It fills up a area. It doesn't just,

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you know, go in one little corner. I have light shining on me right now. They're shining on the

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wall and back of me. They're filling up the room. Think about it. Oh, boy, I get excited about just

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thinking about it. Think about that light and the love filling us to the fullness. Now, we have the

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power because he's given us the power to cut it off. I can go over here and cut off one of these

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lights right now, and I can cut off a light over there, and it can be dark. You know, doesn't mean

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we're cutting him out. We're cutting the light inside of us out. You know, one of the things that

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I'll share something, one of the things when I travel, I can literally now look at people and

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see light in them and see almost by the brightness of the light through their spirit of where they're

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at, you know, and there's some dark ones out there, very, very dark ones. But then there's some that

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are eye bluish color or yellowish color. They're dimmer than they should be. Let's put it that way

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because they dim the light that was in them, you know, which always tells me they probably had some

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type of connection with Jesus at some time in their life, and now they're letting the light dim out.

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You know, like it's getting more dimmer and dimmer and dimmer. They're not saving energy.

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It is one of those lights. You know, it's literally them because of moving away from Jesus.

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He's the power of that light. So, remember, when you talk about their scriptures more than just

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light like we know, it's love. And someone said, well, it's truth. Yeah, truth and love,

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light comes together. I remember, Diane, I remember I described it this way in the book,

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Deep Worship in Heaven.

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I love that book.

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That when he spoke to me, all of that was coming toward me. It came to me as a light,

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you know, even when he told me, no, it's not your time, go back, it came to me as a light.

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And it's hard to describe in this realm, but the closest I can get, it would be like a beam of

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light just coming directly toward you, not a small beam, a huge beam of light. And I remember,

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it looked like it was going to engulf me. I was going to be surrounded by this light, and yet it

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came inside of me. And when it came inside of me, the first thing I felt, the first thing I

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experienced when that light came inside of me was this overwhelming, just love for me.

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That I'm so loved and I don't care what anybody says, I am loved, period. That's the first

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feeling I could describe. The next feeling that I came was, I need to obey the truth. I need to

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obey the truth, not debate it, not have an option with it, but obey the truth. And then the next

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thing that came was, I was so comfort. You could say peace, but it was past peace. It's that peace

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past understanding that we read about in Philippians, the fourth chapter. But it didn't

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engulf me from the outside, it engulfed me from the inside out. And I know I shine brighter because

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of it. I know that. I know because of that going in through Him to me, that I shine brighter. And

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that I shine brighter. And what He said, which brought that light was, no, it's not your time,

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go back. That's what He said to me. And that's not the kind of message you wanted to hear.

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That's not the kind of message I want to hear. But the way it was delivered and the way it hit me

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was like, the closer I could come is, I used to be in the military, I've said this before,

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I knew how to take orders. But the orders I was taking wasn't a order like, oh my God, why did

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He do that? It was more like, why wouldn't I do this for Him? He did all of this for me. And I was

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just so grateful to be able to be chosen by Him to be able to do what I was told. Because I know what

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I felt like He was saying, I need you there more than I need you here. And I felt like I was being

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honored by Him. And that all came through that light. So when He talked about the light that

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was in Him and the light that's in us, those are the elements that I can talk about with English.

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I love this. I really believe this is the light shining so much out of us that even when we go

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into a place, the darkness sees it. And when the darkness sees it, it has to flee. And I just

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believe that they just know that they know that they know. Because darkness and light cannot

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ring in the same area. It just can't. So I don't see it happening, ringing in the same area.

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Maybe if the light goes dim, then you have darkness. But that's what that scripture really

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was downloaded inside of me. And that's a lot. Yes, it is. I have a question on the light.

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It's like the amount of light that's in you. It's like we hear believers, they'll walk in,

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and somebody will react. And those that will react out of the love they'll feel. And there's

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those that are really demon possessed, will maybe go, you know, has a different reaction.

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But is it the degree of your light, the degree that the reactions that you get from the other side?

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Does that make sense? Yeah, that makes sense. A great deal. You still have to be, I call it plugged

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in to the Lord. My light can go dim if I'm not plugged into Him. Let me get away from the things

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that plug me in. There are certain things that I do. Praying is one of them. Reading the Word of

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God is one of them. Making sure things don't go into my head to corrupt things. Because you can

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have all that light coming in, then you have this corruption coming in. And it's trying to put out

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the light. And so you got a battle going on in that way. So there's a number of things that, yes,

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I'm with you Phil on that because the bottom line is that it wasn't what goes into a man that

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defiles a man, but what comes out. And so I'm making sure what comes in is pure. So what comes

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out is pure. Amen. The old days, they called it being holy. The new days.

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Yeah. You know, so I hope that answered your question. I got excited about it. When you asked

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that question, oh boy, that was so cool. That was really good.

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Let me just, I wanted to clarify a little bit. So the scripture says in Him was life.

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And the life was the light of men.

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So you made it very clear that light and love are the same thing. So are light and love and life

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all the same thing? Yeah. You know, when we talk about life a lot of times, we just think things

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are alive, but they cannot be alive without the light and the love. Okay? We say life, but you're

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not alive unless you have the love. You know, one of the things I came to understand is that true

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death is separation from God. You separate from God, you're dead. You know, even Ephesians tells

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us that one time we were in that way, that we were separated from God and we're really dead.

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Even though we may say we're alive, but in the spiritual realm, you're dead. And what's

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more eternal? It's not the temporal realm that's eternal. It's the spiritual realm that's eternal.

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So in reality, we can't change it because we're so used to it. But the reality of it is

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if you don't have the light, you don't have life. And life is literally love. And if you don't have

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love, you're dead. And where do you get true love? Now we can get human love, but human love is

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conditional. You've got to have the pure love, which is unconditional, you know? And so the reality

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of, because God's going to love you whether you accept Him or not, people don't realize that.

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He's not going to love you because you accept Him. He's going to love you because He said,

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for God so loved the world. You know what I mean? He loved us even before He sent His Son down on

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the planet to die for us. Now that's a, what do you say, an example of His love, but He loved us

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beforehand. And love is to give us life. But you know, we have to be the people that choose that

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life. And I started out talking about life because to me, you can't separate it. There's no separation

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in heaven of these things. Here on the planet, we separate, but there there's none. Even John,

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when he's writing that, if you think about it, it's almost like he's talking about one subject,

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then he comes around and talks about another subject, then he goes back and talks about the

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other subject, because he's trying to get you to understand. But in reality, I know he's saying

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they're all together. For him to even try to separate it is like, oh, how do I do this? It

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sounds like double talk, but in reality, he's trying to separate something that's not separated.

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Amen. Amen. So when you got to heaven, even before you met the Father in Jesus, did you see like,

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like I've heard people describe it, that even the plants are full of life and light and love.

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Everything. Everything is exuding light. It's exuding love. It's exuding life,

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because there's no such thing as death there.

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Yes. There's no darkness there either. And that was the thing that really got me. I remember

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coming back and thinking to myself, oh, I know why there's no darkness in heaven. It's because

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Jesus and the Father light up everything. They're in everything. And so, when you're bright and

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you're shiny, there's no way, like I'm, you know, sitting at His desk right now, and underneath it

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is darkness. Well, if this desk was in heaven, there's no way there would be darkness there,

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because there would be light shining after. So there's no darkness anywhere. There's no dark

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anywhere. Nothing's dark in heaven. I think, and I maybe have said this before to you,

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you remember Tiffany that did the stained glass windows that you see in churches a lot, you know?

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I think the guy was named Tiffany. I really think he had a vision or something of the light,

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and the best way he could say that the light shining out of, well, the Father shining out of

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things was to have those lights and they shine when the light comes from the sun or something.

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That's the best way to describe. That's what's happening there. There's no darkness at all.

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Yeah. Yeah. You know, when we were camping recently, I was enjoying the early morning

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dew, the sunshine on the dew, and all these little dew drops. And I was thinking to ask you,

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I was thinking to ask you, was this God's way of giving us just the slightest hint

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of what it's like in heaven where everything is shining? Yes, it would be that way. And if you

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think about the different colors that the dew would have, because, you know, it's being a prison,

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so you wouldn't have just one white light coming through there. You have all the rainbow colors

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coming through there, plus colors we don't see that are coming through there also. So yes,

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you know, I always look at those times, Sharon, and I said it in the book, The Worship in Heaven.

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That's the time when the sun comes up, even just before it's getting ready, and all of life

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is given praise to God. I really believe in those morning hours that everything that is on the

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planet gets an opportunity to give God praise at that moment, even the dew. You know, we won't look

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at the dew as being alive, but the dew in the sense of what it does and how it vibrates me,

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how it vibrates maybe, you know, and whatever it's doing, it's giving praise to God. Everything at

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that moment, literally, and I used to remember when I first came out of the hospital, I used to

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wake up early to meet that day almost, I did it for about a month and a half. You know, every

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morning I would wake up just to be able to be with all of creation to tell our Father how much we

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love Him, because I really believe that's what was going on at that moment. As the sun was coming up

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over the horizon. Yeah, beautiful. And it's the light, you know, everything gets bright because

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of that, you know, and that's just the sun. Think about, you know, the Holy Spirit, think about the

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sun, Essoian, and think about the Father. Wow, I get excited just thinking about that. Amen.

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Amen. You know, I'm remembering this contrast of light and darkness. I'm remembering the first

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time that we had a chance to have a conversation with you, and we were out in a parking lot in the

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hot sun, and Philip is holding a box of books for an hour before he put it down, and we talked for

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another hour. You mentioned something about how you dislike darkness. Yes, yes. Can you elaborate

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on that for us? Well, I came to understand when I was there with the Father and Jesus, and when it

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came to light, like I said, everything was lit up. I came to understand we were created to be in

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light. We were never created to be in darkness. You know, darkness is temporal, and light is

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eternal. And so I came to understand the things that we should, what do you say, honor are the

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eternal things over the temporal things. And so I know that we look at the universe and we look at

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our stars and all those types of things, but the reality of it is all that's going to pass away.

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Everything's going to pass away that's in dark. Everything is going to be in light. Now, what we

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have a hard time with is that, you know, the planets we see, we see them in darkness, but they

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were really created for light. Yes. You know, and so for us to, even the moon, let's say we see the

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moon in the daytime. Even though it's in the daytime, it's odd to us because we're used to

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seeing it at night. But the moon really, it was created, all of the planets were created for light

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and there's going to come that time when there is not going to be darkness. You know, it's said in

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Revelation 22, it says that, you know, the father and the son light up everything and that day is

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going to come. But we were created for light. And I came back with a distaste for dark period, the

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night, still do, still don't like it. You know what I mean? And I almost feel like it's a waste of time,

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darkness. Well, I remember when you were here one time, we were having a conversation about how

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everything began. Yes. And how Lucifer, who was the son of the morning and the one-third of all the

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beings that he deceived into coming with you. Correct. I asked you a question and I think I

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understood you to say that darkness became when God took the light out of them. Yes. That there

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was no darkness before that. There was none. And darkness, even in the Bible, we go through it,

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we find out darkness represents a whole bunch of things on the negative side. Yeah, they're all

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negative. Not positive, but on the negative side, you know. Though I walk through the valley of

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death, you know, that really is darkness, you know, that word can be translated to darkness.

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The bottom line is that darkness was really a containing field for the demonic realm,

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you know, those that had rebelled against the father, you know. And so it's almost like a

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prison. And Jude, it says that, and then also, I believe in 2 Peter, it says that, you know,

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the chains, that were chains being bound up. And that's what really took place at that time,

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you know. And so darkness, you know, is not, what do you say, represent the good. It represents

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a darkness period. It represents badness. And there's a number of scriptures throughout the

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Bible that point that out. And I just came to really dislike it. We were not created, you know,

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to know we were really created for light, not hot sun and burning up and sweating.

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Right, right. But to know we were really created for light, you know, and it's really something,

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you know, most bad things are done, except, you know, I should say most bad things used to be done

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in the dark. Now, you know, because people are getting more profound with evilness, they do

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dark things in the daytime, you know what I mean? Those types of things. Yes. But reality of it is,

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and that just means, again, darkness is used as the opposite, really, it's evil, which is good.

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And that's what they use the opposite of it is. So in the sense of darkness, I don't like it. I

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don't like the night. I don't like the thing. I know my friends, they love the universe. They

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get their telescopes out. They love, they would look at the stars and everything like that.

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And they're going to get that joy in heaven. It's just going to come a different way.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I was looking at something just recently. They were showing

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this black hole and how it had this spiral in it with light was in it. I don't know if you've seen

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that or not. That was really cool. And they were coming up, the scientists were coming up and

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saying, well, we always figured those black holes were twirling. We just didn't have the evidence of

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it. And I don't know if the black hole was twirling or just the light inside of it was twirling, but

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something was going on inside of this black hole that they saw. And I don't know if you guys can

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look it up or anybody, but I thought it was really cool. And in fact, the way it was, it was there

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was like a pillar going up like this of light. And then there was a swirl going like that. And I thought,

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whoa, that is something. You know, it just sounds like the kind of thing God would do.

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Yes, it does. I really, I don't know what the sign is, to be honest with you. It might be one of those

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wonders he's talking about. There would be in the sky that we'll see, but I know it was a sign.

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You know, I said, Lord, this is a sign. You're doing something here. Someone's going to come out

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and tell us what the sign is all about. So yeah, I'm reminded. I don't know which way to go. I've got

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two things on the same subject that we're talking about. Let's just go to Genesis 1. Yes. First of

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all, on the first day, God said, let there be light. Okay. Correct. He said the light was good.

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He did not say the dark was good. That's right. He didn't say the night was good. He said, he didn't

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say the day was good. He said the light was good. He saw the light that it was good. Do you have any

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thoughts on that? You know, again, that darkness I know came about because it was a really was a sale

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for the demonic realm. And so it was to hold them in. So I could understand what everything there

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would be bad. It would be not good at all. And then the light, the thing that I love about that,

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that most people don't realize is I see it where God came and he incorporates himself, his light

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around this planet to make it for the first four days. We don't have the sun and the moon coming

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out until the fourth day. So he literally, the earth was literally made inside of light before the

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sun and the moon came. And I think people don't realize that he engulfed the earth and turned

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what was in chaos, according to what the scriptures say, into perfection. Because it was perfected.

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This planet was perfected until Adam, you know, messed up and let sin come into it, which is death,

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you know, and to the planet. And so, but at that moment, it was perfection. I was in a place where

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perfection was. I know what it looks like. I don't have to try to imagine what it looks like. I know

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exactly what it looks like. And there's nothing dying. There's nothing. There's no death. It's

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so hard to explain that to people on the planet, because even if I say it looks like the earth,

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they go out and you're not even coming close because we have so much death happening. And

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I don't mean in a sense of just people dying. I'm talking about plants dying, you know what I mean?

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Deterioration. None of that is there. What does it look like? And so, saying that to you, God

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literally took this chaotic world, made it a perfect world. And, you know, for how long,

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I don't know. I can tell you in the Bible, it's to the third chapter. But however long it was,

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it was perfect. There was nothing wrong with the planet. And it's hard for us to even grasp that

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there was that one time this planet didn't have nothing wrong. The good thing about it,

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it's going to go back to being that way. Amen. You know, God's, we call it a new planet and a new

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heaven, but God is going to go back and do some things to make this planet back to what it was

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originally created for. Is that good news or is that good news? Yes, amen. Wonderful news.

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That's wonderful. And so, in that time frame when he called the darkness bad, it was bad. It was bad.

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It was, you know, even when I left my body to go to be with the Father in Jesus, and I went through

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that dark area I've told many people about, and I remember literally it was filled with demonic

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ground, the demons and things like that. You know, the good thing about it, I knew they couldn't

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touch me. There's nothing they could do. There's nothing they could do. They could do nothing there.

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They could do nothing here. I knew that. You know, that's what it's like. The other thing

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that really got me is I listened, I could hear them talking about their plans and what they did

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and how they did things. It was interesting. You know, we call it deception, but they don't

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think they're deceived. They think they have the truth. So, you know, a lot of times when you talk

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to somebody that's deceived, you think, well, I can reason them into something. Well, you can't

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reason somebody into something that they believe is the reason already. You know, it's, you know,

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only one that could really get through that is Jesus Christ. He did it with Paul. So, the reality

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of it, I say to people, when I went through there, that whole place was holding so many

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demonic beings. It was, there was a lot of them. Some of them were trapped there. They could not,

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they could not go back. And others were going back and forth, back and forth. Now, I always say that

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there was a lot, but you got to remember greater is He that's in us than He that's in the world.

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We got more with us than we got against us. I mean, all kinds of scriptures tell us that.

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So, it doesn't matter how many of those demonic beings are there, we got more.

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AMEN.

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And not a little bit more, because only one third of that heavenly realm left. So, we got the others.

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Is that good news? Is that good news?

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And our Father's probably still creating.

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DR. BELLAMY. At this point, when I was there, what we would call creation, it was mainly us

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on the planet. It wasn't so much that the heavenly beings were being created. It was us on the planet.

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Because everybody there had been, had chose to be there. And I knew that. You know, I was plugged

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into everything and everything. Everything there had already chosen to be there. So, if he had

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created somebody, they had not had that choice of being here or going with Satan. So, they were

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there. But us here, us on the planet, we're being created all the time, and we're given that choice

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still, to be able to choose whether to be with Jesus or not. Because that choice is a foundation

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for that place there. And I say that because that's the love. You know, that's true love.

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God loves us so much that He gave us the ability to choose or not choose. Is that good news?

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AMEN. Yeah, it's beautiful.

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DR. BELLAMY. I think people don't realize how powerful that is. But there, there was no one

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else. I mean, when you get there, you'll see. We could go a little bit farther with us and our

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responsibility. You know, we're not stuck there. You know, most people don't realize that. You know,

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most people think, oh, you go to heaven, you're stuck there. You got to stay there. No, God will

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still use us in that spiritual realm, even on the planet. You know, that old story of,

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of it's a wonderful life, you know, in here. And I forget Henry or whatever his name is,

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the angel comes and helps out the guy, you know, that type of thing. I know it's a far-fetched

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story. People think about it. But in reality, He will send us down to the planet to do a lot of

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stuff. We become those heavenly beings a lot of times that people are thinking about in more ways

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than none. It's like Elijah and Moses when they came and talked to Jesus, the Mount of, what we

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call the Mount of Transfiguration. If you really think about it, they were human beings at one time

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that were on this planet that went to be with the Father and Jesus. Some people say go to paradise,

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but in reality, paradise means paradise. It means paradise. You know what I mean?

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It means heaven, really. But the reality of it is, and then they were sent back down to talk to

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Jesus and give Him information. And at that time, they were messengers. And if they were messengers,

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they were angels. And so because the word angel means messenger. And so that's hard for us to

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grasp sometimes because of our traditional thinking that we have. But in reality, we're still being

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used very strongly on the planet in many ways. And people don't like to say that because they'll say,

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ah, you're talking to the dead. You don't know that's a DC. And they're more alive there,

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like I said earlier, than they are here on the planet. So you get there and you find out that

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you can be reassigned back to the planet to do something on this planet. You know what the

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reasons I say that, you're more alive there than here, there's no limits to you. Here on the planet,

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we're so limited because of this flesh. You know what I mean? It binds us in so much. And then

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there's the laws of physics on this planet that we are bound to. But there, you're not bound to

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those parameters any longer. So you get to experience life the way you're supposed to experience it

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without the boundaries. And so that's one of the reasons I say that. So when you get there,

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God can use you in mighty ways that you never thought you could be used on the planet because

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of the limitations you have here with your own thinking. And that's number one, your own thinking

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is the biggest thing that gets you on the planet is your own thinking. But the reality of it is that

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you are there freer to do, freer, hear what the word said, freer to do exactly what God wants you

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to do with all the abilities that you have that are limited on the planet here. You know, would you

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have Bruce Allen there and you know, he had that translation that he's talking about. Well, in

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heaven, people are translated all the time. No one has to be taught to. Right. We're just trying to

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do on earth as it is in heaven. Yeah. And the bottom line is here on the planet, we try to

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get there, we try to learn how to do it and those type of things. But there you're not even no one

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says this is school over here, how to translate, you just go. I'm not saying anything against Bruce

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doing it on the planet because I believe that you can have it done. I know, I know it's happened to

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me at least twice where I was moved from one area to another area so quickly. And there's no way I

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could be in both of those areas at that time. So you know, that's happened to me before. So I know

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it's reality, it happens, you know, but the reality of it is there. No one's teaching you that you just

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do it. Why? Because you already can do it. It's already part of you, but most of us don't realize

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it's a part of us. There's a ton of things that are a part of us, but we don't realize it because

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then we fight with our own thinking process here. So in saying that to you, that's why I say you're

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more alive there than you're more alive here, you know, but the darkness is evil. I'm telling you

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right now, it's evil and just the way it is. But we can shine so bright in the darkness that

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evil has to leave, you know, and I found that out, you know, just by having this experience.

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Amen. Well, you guys are getting me really talking about some things I never.

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Good, good. I got another one for you. And I know we're going on a little bit long, but I

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I want to I want to go back to John one and take verse five where we started out with in him was

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light and the light was the light of men. Verse five says, and the light shines in darkness and

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the darkness comprehended it not. And in the Young's literal translation, it says the darkness

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perceived it not. The NIV says the light shines in the darkness and the darkness has not overcome

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it. The new living says that the light shines in the darkness and the darkness can never extinguish

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it. The New American Standard says the darkness did not grasp it. Legacy Standard Bible says the

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darkness did not overtake it. Amplified says the darkness did not understand or overpower it or

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appropriated or absorb it and is and is unreceptive to it. Give us your perspective.

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I can give you what what Jesus was talking about it that what he was telling me would

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refer to as really referring to the Jewish people because they were the only ones at that time that

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had the light that they thought they had. You know, the rest of the of the world really didn't

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know that it was in darkness. But the Jewish people, because of the laws, we know that

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at least it was right and was wrong according to God's criteria. And so one was really the light

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and one was really the darkness. And so they had moved more into the darkness that when the light

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showed up, they couldn't even comprehend the light that they were supposed to know. Wow. So that's

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what was going on in that moment. Now, after that, the light spread and people started grasping it.

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Even the the apostles had a hard time with the light. We know that, and especially one of them,

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because he betrayed them. But the reality of it is that that that light was really put into that

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place first. As we know, Jesus said, I came for the children first, the children of Israel first,

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and then to go out. But the reality of it is they couldn't comprehend what was happening.

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You know, that's what was going on there. So that's what he was talking about. John was really,

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really emphasizing is you guys had the light. It'd be like today. I see it all the time, even with us

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that we call Gentiles. I see it where something new that God is doing and we can't comprehend it

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because we've gotten stuck into our traditions and our religion. And so whether we realize it

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or not, our religion and our traditions are dark. You know, what happens with religion

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and traditions is they don't have life in them, like we talked about earlier. So they're not always

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growing, you know, and God's not a still God, you know, we say he's the same today,

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you know, yesterday and tomorrow. But the reality of it, it's just talking about how he approaches

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things, but God is a God of life. Even heaven is expanding. I always tell people, they say,

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what is it expanding in? I don't know. I can't tell you that. But I can tell you God is God of

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life. So life is going to expand everything I see on the planet. If we were to take this building on

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me and not do anything, the bushes and everything will overwhelm this place because it's life.

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And so that's what you got going on there. So religion, our traditions sometimes stagnate

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life, kills it really. It's like a, what do you call it, a pool of water. If it doesn't have

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something flowing into it, it's to be very, you know, first of all, it's undrinkable, number one,

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and you know, so it's not going to, and it can kill, number two, if you think about that.

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But the reality of it is you don't have that flow or that flow of life coming into it from a

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fresh spring or something down, you know, earlier. And so, you know, that's what was going on. And

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when he was talking about that, the Jewish people at the time were supposed to be the light bearers.

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They were supposed to take the light of God and share it with all the other nations. And they

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got into their traditions, they got into their religion, and all of a sudden they stagnated

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and became dark, you know? And here comes the light coming on the planet and they couldn't

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comprehend it. You know, they couldn't, you know that Sharon and Phil, you see it all the time.

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God is doing some wonder, you know, holy laughter. Remember when holy laughter was going out and

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everybody thought, oh, this is really of the devil and everything like that. And yet the scriptures

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talk about it and the joy of the Lord and how you're going to laugh and everything like that.

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And even talks about how you're going to have some uncontrollable life because of the joy of the Lord.

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You know, but people took that and they couldn't see it as light. They saw it as darkness because

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of their traditions and their beliefs. And they couldn't see it. Even today, you know, you can

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come to some people and give them the facts about something, but their traditions and their

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religion says, no, I have a person in my life that every time something goes up, she says to me,

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we're Baptist, we don't believe that. We're Baptist, we don't believe that. You know what it'd be?

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She doesn't say, we don't believe it because it's not in the Bible. She says, we're Baptist,

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we don't believe that. Do you understand what I'm talking about? And so that's the darkness,

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if you think about it, that's darkness. There's no life in that. And so if light shows up because

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it doesn't meet the Baptist requirements, and I'm not getting on Baptist, I'm just telling this one

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person says this, you know, she can't even see the light. She cannot see the light because it doesn't

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meet the Baptist requirements, you know? And so I don't want anybody to get on me and say,

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Ding, you're talking bad about Baptist. It doesn't matter. It could be charismatic people,

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you know, it could be Pentecostals out there. It could be anybody out there when they get into

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their traditions and their religion, belief system, and they don't care. They just don't care.

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And then here comes the light and the light comes along and they're having a hard time with the

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light. I see it all the time. And you know what the greatest thing about it is? Me and you could

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go somewhere where they're supposed to be dark. You know, like I was in Switzerland and Finland,

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and it's supposed to be pretty non-religious, you know what I mean? In the sense that, you know,

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the state church is the Lutheran church and I'm not getting on Lutheran, but I'm just telling you,

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the state church is the Lutheran church. And yet the overwhelming response we got from people

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is because I think we show so much light and within that light was a bunch of love.

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And because of that, they came and you would say those were dark countries and yet in reality,

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they responded to the light, you know, where religion, if you think about it, think about it,

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you know, they could not comprehend it. But the people outside that were supposed to be in darkness

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could comprehend it. Is that something? It's beautiful.

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They have with Jesus, even on the planet, when He walked, you know, the religious people rejected

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Him. You know what I mean? But the people that came were outside of that. Remember that? We got so many

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stories on that. So that's what it was really, Jesus downloaded that inside of me, you know,

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that that was talking about the Jewish nation as a whole with their religious belief system.

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That when that light came in, they were blind. They were blind. I don't mean blinded by the light,

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but blind. They could not even see the light. Yeah, I get it. You know, that brings home to me,

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like we said earlier, maybe we said it when we were talking about the details that God is in,

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that He came to be our Savior in a time when the religious hierarchy was people that didn't belong

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there. They weren't legitimate, but there had to be somebody in that office that was dark enough

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to crucify the Lord of glory. Yes. Yes. It had to be. And, you know, part of the anti-Semitism

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that is in our churches and in the world is saying, well, you know, they're just Christ killers.

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And it's not that it wasn't the common people that did that. It was somebody who was in that position

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that was there illegitimately, but there had to be somebody in that position to do the sacrifice

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of the King of glory. He had to be that sacrifice lamb for us. And so, you know, I want to just say

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just throw off that anti-Semitism that is in the church that people have had this wrong understanding

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of, you know, the Jews this, the Jews that, you know, and anti-Semitism, that kind of thing.

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It was planned by our Father. I mean, it was allowed by our Father that this system of darkness

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had to be put in all of these traditions and blindness had to come on them so that they would

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crucify Him and make life for the rest of us, make life for all of us, all of us. Wow.

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Yeah. Wow. And that's a blindness or a darkness that, you know, you just talked about, you know,

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the scales over the eyes, you know what I mean? Yeah. Those things are there, you know, in the

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sense God's going to use those things to advance His kingdom. Absolutely. I'm not going to say He

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causes those things because He gives us the ability to, but we're going to go in doing something

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like that. God's going to say, okay, I'm going to do this to still have my kingdom be advertised

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or out there in that sense. I don't know how many times in my own life I get an opportunity to be in

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a place that you could say people have scales over their eyes and then not say something.

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And I'd be very careful because I want to say what God wants me to say, not what Dean says.

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And I'm thinking, oh boy, that was a, I'll give you a good example. Recently, I was in a church

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and the pastor there told me that they saw their husband breathe his last. Well, you know, I teach

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the spirit leaves and then the body dies. So, what you're watching is the body struggling without

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the spirit. And I'm in this church and I'm thinking, you know, I got to say something and I say it out

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loud. I say it in front of everybody because the Holy Spirit says, I want you to say it. Sometimes

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He tells me they're not ready, don't say something. But in this case, afterwards, she comes up to me

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says, I knew he wasn't there. I knew he wasn't there. You just confirmed what I knew, but no

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one had told me that. And I knew my husband wasn't there even though he breathed his last. I knew he

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wasn't there. It didn't look like him. It didn't seem like him. I said, Lord, you are so good,

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you know, because she had that blinders over her eyes, but God showed a light that literally could

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open up and she saw it and it freed her up. Does that make sense to you? But I didn't know that he

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was going to do that, you know, at that time, just like when he had me be in that Unitarian

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conference. But that lady comes all the way to where you guys are and recommits her life back

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to the Lord. You know, she's serving the Lord to this day. I was in San Farrell recently and

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two of the people that know her go to the same church she go to now and she's serving God in a

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miraculous way. But that was again, God showing that light and she came to it and she was in

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darkness. You know what I mean? But it wasn't the darkness like what Jesus was talking about there

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because, you know, the Jewish people were supposed to be the most enlightened people at the time

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when it came to God's ways. And yet they were so dark and they were blind that they couldn't see

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the light, the true light. But, you know, the good thing about it is God never gave up on him.

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You know, he never did. Even when Jesus walked on the planet, he didn't say, Jesus, now look,

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these people are too dark. I'm going to have you go over here. Now people came from different

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the Samarians and some Gentiles came to him, you know, but the reality of it, he didn't never send

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them away from the Jewish people. People don't realize that. All the way up to the end. He stayed

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with it. And even afterwards, he wanted to make sure there was some grounding with them before he

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spread it out. Is that good news? Is that good news? Yeah, absolutely. There's always been a

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messianic movement. Yeah. Always. Is that good news? I'm just excited about that because you

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think about the day of Pentecost, you know, yes, the entire world got impacted by it. But when that

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entourage came, it was for the Jewish people first, you know, to bring them, because all those different

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Jewish people from all over the world. Right. Right. They were all Jewish that were there.

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Yeah. All of them from all those different nations, they were all Jewish. And then where did they go?

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They went back to the different nations. Exactly. And they carried the light. They carried the light,

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you know, at least even if people would say, I don't know, but now it's out there.

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It's almost like having social media. Yes, absolutely. Once it was released and they went

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all over the world, it's out there now. Yep. Yep. And it can go faster because of social media.

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Oh, man. That's exciting, ain't it? It sure is. So speaking of media, let's just go through the fact

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that you have books on your website, or they can get them through Amazon. I think we even have them

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in our website. I'm not sure. I know that we sell them. Your book, In Heaven, and Deep Worship in

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Heaven, and What It Feels Like to Die, and your wife's book. A Woman's Stand. A Woman's Stand,

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How She Stood and Prayed, even though it looked hopeless. And she prayed and she wouldn't let

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anybody in to say anything negative. If you're not going to speak life, you can't come.

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Don't even bother to visit. And I think there's a coloring book as well. Yeah. You know, I need to

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there saying the king. And then there's also the Spanish, you know. We did it in Spanish. And so

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those are the books. I'm in the process of writing What It Was Like to Meet Your Family in Heaven.

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Oh, God. I've been working on that book for a while now, but it's exciting because God is really

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opening up some things for me. Did you know? Well, I don't know. We have time. I can't go there.

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Take it, take it, take it. Take the time. You know, the Jewish community, as people don't realize,

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really represents so much about Heaven. I always tell people it's not a Jewish custom, it's a

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heavenly custom. Because most people think of it as a Jewish custom, but it isn't. Because

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where they got it from is from Heaven. And yeah, they added some things, don't get me wrong. But the

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the foundation of everything that they do is from Heaven. So if that's the foundation, then that

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means there's a model in Heaven, or better yet, the models here, the originals in Heaven. And so

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one of the things that God has done is around family. And look at how he did the family for

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the Jewish people. You know, we say Jewish, but we know there were the 12 tribes, you know. And

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those 12 tribes, we call them tribes, but really they were families. They weren't, you know. So

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if you think about it, we have Israel, and Israel then has these sons, and Joseph's two sons, I mean,

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were part of the 12 tribes. But he has these sons, and now they're family, really. And he divides them.

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Oh boy, people don't realize this. Each of the families had their own specialties.

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Yes. Yeah. You know, we know about the Levites, because we know they're the priestlyhood and

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everything like that. But every family had a specialty that they were good in. And that's how

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Heaven is. That's how Heaven is. And when we get to Heaven, we're going to hook back up with our

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families. And we're going to be able to do the things that we're doing in Heaven from a family

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point of view. Yes, individually. But if you really think about it, it's going to be a family effort.

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The closest I can come is again, going back to the Jewish people and how they served in the temple.

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And they served in the temple as families, you know, in their lot or in their order. And their

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order was always families. And so people don't realize it was families that served in the temple.

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And they were lotted, not just men, because some people say it was just men. They were lotted with

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women and children also. So this whole thing about family is really broken down on how we will

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socialize in Heaven is really found within the nuances of the Jewish community, as I say, if you

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look at the basics. Okay? Wow. That's fascinating. And people don't realize that. So he's given us

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a model of how we're going to do things there. But he used the children of Israel to be the model.

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Is that cool? Is that cool? That is so cool. I want to talk about that some more another time.

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And we will. We will. I don't know just when God is going to make the way for us to do that,

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but we will talk about that some more. This is fascinating. Yes. And I just want to mention

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again, the movie After Death that is coming out into the theaters October 27th. And looking forward

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to seeing what God does there and praying into this that God will plow the hearts of the people

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that are going to come there and that He's going to draw people there that weren't expecting to go

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there. They were thinking they were going to go see something else and they just are drawn to go

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and see this after death. Maybe they've lost a loved one or something and they want to know more.

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And they're just going to be drawn there. So we're praying into that. Before we go, what is your

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website? Website. Thank you. What is your website? It's just deanbraxton.com.

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Okay. That's the website. I will tell people to watch out for our email. It's having some problem.

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It's like we can receive messages, but we can't send them out. So I'm going to give a different

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email just because of the one we're having. We've been trying to fix it technically for about two

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weeks now, but it's deanmarylandbraxton.msn.com. Okay. So the email that we have on the website is

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having technical difficulties that we don't know why. Okay. All right. Well, before we go,

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would you please pray for our listeners? Father, thank you for each and every person

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that's listening. This has been so good. You really, yes, showed yourself strong today.

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And the things that were said, everything that was said was to help people move from darkness into

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light. If there's anyone out there that's in a dark area in their lives, even if they don't know

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it, show the light upon it so that they can literally see the opening, you know, what was

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going on and that they can move out of that area by that opening that you showed them. I thank you

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in the name of Jesus. Amen. Amen.

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