(197) “Life-Changing Heavenly Encounters” with Debbie Young (Part 3)

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I had gone a while without experiencing a God encounter and I was riding my lawnmower one day

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and I said, Lord, what's happened? I want to have another encounter with you and be caught up to

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heaven. And he said, when you get closer to me than you are to this world, the veil is just right

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there. Just step over. All you have to do is step over. I'm right there. Just step through the veil.

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God promises in Joel 2-28 to pour out His Spirit on all humanity. Welcome to Global Outpouring,

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where we contend for that promised outpouring, we equip for that outpouring, so that we may engage

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in that very outpouring. I'm Philip Bus. And I'm Sharon Bus. Welcome to the podcast today.

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We are welcoming back our friend, Debbie Young. And it's a wonderful thing that we get to have

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three episodes with her. I don't know that we've ever done three episodes with anybody,

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but that's because she has something so important to share with us today about

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heavenly visitations and how you can be impacted by something from heaven.

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Welcome to the podcast today. We are so delighted that you're with us.

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This is going to be a wonderful, wonderful experience for you to get moved into a deeper

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place in God, because that's what this podcast is all about. It's about contending and equipping

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and engaging in the outpouring. And Debbie has been doing that. She has been contending.

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She's been equipping and she's been engaging in outpouring. And she's going to share with us today

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what God has been doing in her life. But before we get started, I want to encourage you to go

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that's out there available to you that we want to help you grow in God to be ready to engage in

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what God is about to do in the earth and what he's already begun. Hallelujah. Every time a wave of

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revival rolls in, something new happens in the earth. And we know that we are on the verge of that

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wave rolling in that is not going to ebb out again. Before we get started with you, Debbie,

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I just want to quote a prophecy that is from 1934, 1935 that goes something like this.

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There shall come a breath and the breath shall bring the wind and the wind shall bring the rain

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and there shall be floods and floods and floods and torrents and torrents and torrents.

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Souls shall be saved like leaves falling from mighty oaks in a hurricane. Arms and legs will

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come down from heaven and there shall be no ebb. Hallelujah. That wave is going to come in and it's

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not going to go back out. It's like when the tide comes in, it stays for a little while and then it

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ebbs back out. And that's the way it is with every revival that's ever been on the planet so far.

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But the one that we're about to see, the one that has begun, it has already begun, the breath has

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already begun, the wind has already begun, the rain has already begun. The torrents of. I think

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the torrents are about to be here if they're not here already. And we're just about to see these

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arms and legs coming down from heaven. We're about to see these souls being saved, you know, like a

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tree will be stripped in a moment in a hurricane. It'll be completely stripped. All of the leaves

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are gone and that oak is stripped. It's completely stripped. That's how souls are going to come in,

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every single one. And this one isn't going to ebb back out. Hallelujah. So, so Debbie, we're really

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glad that you're with us today and we are excited about what God is doing and what he's about to do

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in a greater measure. And you have experienced some amazing things in the presence of the Lord.

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We've had you on two previous episodes and you described to us how you got saved. And in the

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first episode and you described for us how you got into children's ministry and how the Lord

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moved on your life and transformed you in the outpouring that happened in Pensacola at Brownsville

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assembly. And then something else happened to you. Wow. Tell us about your experience in

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heaven. Okay. Into the praise arena. How did that happen? Yes, ma'am. Well, Sharon and Philip,

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it's very good to be back with you. I'm just honored and blessed to be here. And,

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and I've been very excited about sharing some of my God encounters that I've had. Um, in the last

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podcast, we talked about, um, a vision that I had where I was laying on the floor at Brownsville,

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assembly of God in Pensacola. And God was commissioning us to, um, launch a new ministry.

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And this ministry was going to be, um, just ministering to little children, boys and girls

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that were, um, just kind of left behind. Yeah. And after I was caught up to heaven and I saw

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the souls that would be there as a result of this ministry, we came back home and it seemed like that

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vision just catapulted us into what God had called us to do. And part of that vision was, and this

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leads up to what I'm about to tell you. Part of that vision was that I was in a field and there

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were vines all through the field and every vine had fruit on it. Well, over the next decade,

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over the next 10 or 15 years, every time we were about to see a tremendous harvest of souls,

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I would find myself back in that field and I'd have a basket on my arm and I would be harvesting

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the fruit. And every time I would find myself in that, I knew that we were in for a harvest of

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souls. So we would take our big purple castle and we would go down the road and we would hold a

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four night children's revival and we would see the altars just flooded with not just boys and girls,

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but teenagers and sometimes even adults because it was such a simple gospel message. Many times

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that's what people are searching for is something simple. And so we went on that vision for many,

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many years. So it was around 2011 and I was really tired because I had just spent a summer of very

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intense ministry with church camp and vacation Bible school and children's revivals. And we were

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operating and directing a camp for the foster children of our area. So usually by September,

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when my calendar had kind of cleared a bit, I tried to have a month of consecration every September

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where I just would slow down and reflect and do some fasting and just try to, you know,

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just try to renew from such a busy summer that I had just had. So I found myself praying that

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summer of 2011, it was the middle of September and I found myself praying for a fresh vision.

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I said, Lord, I just need a fresh vision. I had been so excited about my trip to heaven and

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all that it entailed and everything that happened to us because of that, but I just needed a new

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vision. So in the middle of that month of consecration, I was at my church and it was on

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a Wednesday night and I felt the Lord whisper to me during the end of the service I was in,

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he said, I want to show you something. So I went to the altar to pray like I normally did. And that

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kind of came and went, and I knew that everybody was leaving church. And I kept hearing the Lord

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say, I just want you to hang around. I want to show you something. And so I could hear the last

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few people walking out the door and I hollered at him and I said, lock me in and shut off all the

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lights except one, leave the PA going. I just want to stay here and pray and I'll lock up when I

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leave. And the Lord said, I want you to get comfortable. So I got up from the altar area

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and I went down at a chair and I felt like he just had a big, huge smile on his face in anticipation

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of what he wanted to show me. And so I got comfortable and I felt like I had drifted out

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of my body and I was into the spirit realm and everything around me just kind of went by the way

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side except the music that was on the PA and I could still hear it. I was just really tired

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just from being, you know, children's ministry is pretty tiring. And so I said, Lord, I just need

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refreshing and I just need a new vision. First of all, I felt like I had just climbed up into the

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big lap of Jesus and he was rocking me and he was just kind of comforting me. And he said for the

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weary to come to him and I will give you rest. And so he was just comforting me and pouring into me

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and he was just smiling like he had something up his great big sleeve. And the song on the PA came

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on, which was a Carrie Job's song. Now I can't think of the name of it. The Revelation song that

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Carrie Job had just started singing and it was pretty popular right about that time in 2011.

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That song came on the PA and I could hear behind me in the corner of the sanctuary at the front,

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I could hear angels joining in to sing that song. It just like was a heavenly choir all of a sudden

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started joining in. And so I turned around toward the sound. I had my back to that sound and I turned

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around to see if I could, it was just kind of a spontaneous gesture. I didn't even really think

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about it. I just turned around to follow the sound and immediately I saw in the spirit realm,

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a large curtain part, the curtain parted and I found myself on a glass floor. It was like a sea

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of glass and it had kind of a golden tint to it, light golden tint. And it was miles deep. The

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floor just went on infinitely and there was a beautiful glow inside of the floor. And I was

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kneeling on the floor and I looked up and to my left was Jesus standing beside a throne and he had

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the same robe on that he was wrapping me in when I was sitting in his lap and when I was back in the

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sanctuary at my church and he had a lamb in his arms. And I looked up and just several yards in

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front of him was a row of angels and the angels made a circle around the room. It was a huge,

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huge room and there were hundreds of these angels and they were shoulder to shoulder standing on the

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floor in this arena. And I knew that they were angels and they had every outline of their robes

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and of their facial features, their hands, every part of their body and their clothing was outlined

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in light. It was kind of a light that was alive. It was kind of pulsating and glittering.

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And they were all standing on the floor and just directly above them in a little balcony,

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not very far above them was another row of angels and this row of angels had wings and some of them

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were singing and some of them were playing instruments. And then just directly behind them,

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a little bit above them was another row and another row above them. And it didn't angle back

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like an arena that we know of, but it was straight up. And these balconies went as far as I could see,

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even beyond what I could see. And as that song was playing on the PA and I could hear that song

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with Carrie Job singing the revelation song. And as it was playing the angels that were standing on

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the floor that circled all around the thrones in this heavenly praise arena is all I know what to

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call it. They would put one arm up and one arm down and they were twirling and they were going

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around the room like a wave. It's one, they would raise their arm up and one arm down. And as they

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twirled the light that their clothing was made out of and the light that was on their features

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was coming off of them. And it was going up into the air like sparkles that were pulsating. And it

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was like the sparkles were alive and energized somehow. And so this wave went clear around the

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arena as fast as the speed of light almost. I could see it happening, but it was like,

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and it almost made a like a sound because it just went so fast. And as soon as it got back to the

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angel that started it, it traveled to the next balcony and those angels didn't do a wave,

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but they would move somehow to where all of their praise would dissipate into the air as the

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sparkles and the sparkles were different colors, but they were all lit up. And then as soon as

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that row finished, the next row would go, then the next row and the next row, when it went all

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the way up and when it went up to where it was beyond what I could even see, it came back down.

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The wave around every balcony went around and around. When it got to the bottom floor,

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they would raise one arm, one arm down and they would twirl and all of that was visible.

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All of that was visible. And then it was reflecting in the glass floor. So it went

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as far down beyond what I could see. And I was kneeling on that floor and I had my head look,

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I was looking up and I was seeing this heavenly wave go up and down and up and down as this song

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continued. And all of these sparkles went up into above the throne. And that's what formed a circle

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rainbow above the thrones that were in the middle of the arena. So the rainbow was made up of

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visible praise. And as the angels were not only doing these movements and playing these instruments,

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but they were singing the song with Carrie Doe. And they were singing the exact same song at the

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same time. And every word that came out of their mouth turned into these sparkly praises that were

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making the rainbow. And it was so much to take in. And that song, I knew the song was about to be

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overt on the PA. And as soon as that song was over, the next song started and it was in the

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church on the PA, but it was in heaven. And it was the song, Holy, Holy, Holy. And then I saw myself

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stand up and Jesus sat down on his throne and I saw four beings in front of the thrones. And the

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angels were still doing the wave around and the praise was coming off of them. But what I was

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focused on were the four beings. And I saw that each being had beautiful, I can't even describe

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the wings that were on their sides and they were worshiping the Lord with their wings. And the only

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thing that I can really describe that I've ever seen the likeness of is when people worship with

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flags. It was so similar. And I've seen people worship with their hands or their hands are in

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just heavenly movements that they're not even in control of. That was very similar to how these

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four beings on the floor were worshiping the Lord with their wings. And it was the wings were

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fanning a fragrance onto the beings, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit

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in their thrones in the center of the arena. There was a heavenly fragrance that was being

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fanned toward them much to their delight. And so when that song was over, I found myself back in

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my body on the floor of that church. And needless to say, I had to lay there quite a while before I

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was able to pick myself up. And I don't even remember driving home. I somehow let myself out

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of the church and locked up. And that's all I could think about Sharon for the next days and weeks.

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I could not think about anything else. I was not there, but I couldn't stop remembering being

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there. And I never in a million years could have dreamed something like that up. And I can't even

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really describe it because there were colors and fragrances that I've never seen before.

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There were just sites just beyond description. And my poor English cannot begin to come up with

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the words to describe it. Well, it has nothing to do with your poor English. It has to do with the

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fact that English is poor for description. A human language is poor for describing something

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that's not human. You're right. But when I got home that night, I went straight to my journal and I

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tried to record everything that I could think of because I didn't want to forget one single detail.

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But I found myself asking and pleading to the Lord to let me go again, because there was some

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details to it. I couldn't take it all in at once. And I felt like I needed to go again to

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bring some of it into sharper focus. So it was about three weeks, three or four weeks later.

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I went to our river Valley camp meeting revival that we had every year and the church was packed.

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It held thousand people and it was just heaven. I mean, the glory was coming down. We were singing,

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praising, worshiping the Lord. And I had that yearning in my heart and I was standing up with

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everyone else with my hands raised and the exact same song started being sung. Yes, from the stage.

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So that's a trigger now. Yeah. So the revelation song, only this time it wasn't coming over the PA.

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The praise team was singing it. And immediately the first note of that song, I was whisked out of my

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body. I was standing there between the pews with my arms raised, but I was not on this earth. And

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I was back in the heavenly praise arena. You were by locating. Yes. And the same thing was going on.

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They were singing our songs. I used to think that we sing heavenly songs, but I found out that

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day that they're singing our songs. They're joining in with our songs. Sweet. And it's an honor and a

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privilege to them to join in with us. And so I was determined that I was going to try to look around

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and see some things that was just kind of too overwhelming from before. And I was going to try

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to learn some new things. So the same wave that was going on before with the angels was going on

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this time. But what I noticed was as the wave went clockwise, the sparkly praise went up into the

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air and formed the beautiful rainbow over the thrones. And the rainbow was swirling counter

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clockwise over the thrones. And the thrones were revolving very, very slowly in the arena. They

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were going clockwise. The wave that the angels were doing was going very quickly. And then the

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rainbow was swirling around the thrones, but the thrones were going slowly. And during that visit,

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I noticed that in one corner of the arena was a section that was reserved for people that have

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gone on, the saints that have gone on. And they're allowed to join in the heavenly praise arena

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so that they can enjoy some songs that they already knew from earth. They were getting to join in and

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sing and to watch all of this pageantry going on in this heavenly praise arena. And then the song

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ended. And then I was back standing there between the pews with my arms raised. I don't think I

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noticed anything else that happened during the rest of the service. I was just sitting there,

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numb and tingling and thinking about what had happened. I wanted to see more. So I felt led

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of the Lord to ask to be taken there again. And not very many weeks later, since I was on staff

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at church, I was there just about every morning. And we started the morning with a prayer time in

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the sanctuary and I was laying on my face in the floor and I was taken there again. I don't

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remember what song was playing, but they were joining in with our song. But the thing that the

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Lord showed me during this third visit to the heavenly praise arena was something that I had

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seen before, but I didn't understand it. There was a river that was coming from the throne area in

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the center of the arena. And it wasn't the crystal clear river that I believe flows from the throne

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of God. I think there's a lot of different places in heaven. This is only one of them.

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And I know that there's a river clear as crystal that flows from the throne, but this river,

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it wasn't clear and it wasn't blue. It was golden and it was kind of moving slowly and it was

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ripply like it was thick. And I remember asking someone there in the arena what that was.

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And they said that it was milk and honey that flowed from the throne. And the praise that we

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give the Lord in our time of worship goes up to make up the beautiful rainbow. And then it rains

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on the thrones and as they are blessed by our worship, that is what ushers out the river of

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milk and honey from the thrones. It's like if the more, the purer our praise, the deeper the river

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of milk and honey and the river of milk and honey had healings and miracles and signs and wonders,

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the gifts of the spirit, all of that was flowing from this river of milk and honey that was coming

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from the heavenly praise arena. And then I found myself back on the floor in the church praying.

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And after that third visit, I never did really feel led to ask the Lord to take me there again.

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But each time I would go to my journal and I would try to record as much as I possibly could.

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And not long after that, I started trying to share this experience with people. So I got invited to

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a few churches to come and share from the pulpit what I had seen. And after those times,

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we would have mighty miracles. It was just like the miracles were there as people just were getting

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into that praise arena and just in those simple services. But it was life changing for me. And

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I feel like the Lord allowed me to experience this because I had such a hunger for a fresh vision.

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I don't think if I had not been praying for a fresh vision, Sharon, I really don't think that

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I would have experienced that. But I was so hungry for more. I felt like the heavenly

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experience that I had had, I guess it was about 14 or 15 years earlier,

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I had gone on that one for so long. I needed a new one. I mean, not saying that I didn't stay

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connected with the Lord on a daily basis, but you know what I mean? That was such a powerful

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experience. When we have those encounters with God, they're like signposts in our life. And it's

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like they change us and they almost change the trajectory of where we're going. And it's usually

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something that God sends because of that, because he's turning us turning a new chapter into our

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lives and we need that extra function. But I know that there are so many experiences to be had in

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heaven and we're going to have all of eternity to explore and to see all of the vastness and the

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multifaceted things that he has to show us. But he doesn't want us to have to wait until then.

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That's right. Because he's got a little taste of it here for us. And I love that verse that says,

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I have not seen, ear has not heard, neither has it entered into the hearts of those that love him.

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The things that he has prepared for us. But then that next verse, so many people leave that next

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verse off. That's right. They're quoting Isaiah when they stop and Paul is quoting Isaiah. And

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then he adds, yes, because we're in the age of grace and all of this that's coming. He says,

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but God has revealed them to us according to his spirit by his spirit. And I did a word study on

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that word revealed and that means to lift the lid. That's right. And what that used to make me think

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of was, you know, when at Christmas time, when your children were little or maybe your grandchildren

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that you have now and you get them a gift and you're more excited about that gift than they are,

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because you know what it is. And so on Christmas day, I'm more excited about that gift than I am

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more excited than they are, because I know what they're about to see and I know how thrilled that

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they will be. And they just think they're excited. They're not nearly as excited as I am or you are.

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And so you're so tempted to just a few days before Christmas, you can't wait. It's just

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so exciting about what you prepared for them that you want to call them over to that gift under the

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tree and say, come here, I just want to give you a little peek and just lift the lid for a second,

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put it back down real quick so that they can be as excited as you are. Well, that's what that word

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revealed means in that verse. He's just lifting the lid a little bit so we can take a peek.

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And he's, he's wanting to show us just a little taste of what he's got prepared for those that

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love him. Beautiful, beautiful. Now he's so good. You said something that I want, I want you to

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circle back and give us just a little bit more. If you've got something, you said something about

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what you saw with this river of milk and honey, the purer the price, yes, the greater. What was

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the next part? The thicker and greater the flow of the milk and honey from the thrones. And that's

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where our healings come from and the gifts of the spirit come from and all that the Lord has for us

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when we praise him, if we want to see more miracles and we want to see more of the glory of

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God and all that he has for us here on earth, then our praise should be more pure because when we

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praise him, our praise in heaven in that praise arena is visible to everyone in that praise arena.

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It comes out of our mouths just like it did the angels with sparkly praise that dissipates into

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the air and it forms this beautiful gigantic rainbow that were made up of colors. I've never

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even seen before. I can't even describe it, but it wasn't a arch of a rainbow. The rainbow that goes

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above the thrones is a circle and it was flowing counterclockwise and as it filled up with praise,

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it was raining praise down onto the Trinity and it was in the form of the glitter that went up into

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it and it circled and it was raining down and it delighted the Trinity so much. That's what came out

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of their delight was the golden ripply river of milk and honey and all the goodness that God has

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for us here on earth. It flows directly into our surfaces. So it's really a cause and effect.

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Exactly. Our praise to him, our pure praise and it's so easy. Come on, let's be honest. It's so

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easy when you've got so much going on in your head and life has been happening to you and you get to

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church or you get to your personal praise time and it kind of takes a little while to get out from

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under all the cobwebs and to push all those other thoughts out of your head and focus.

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The more you practice it, the quicker you'll get there. I heard an illustration the other day

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about if you enter a dark room for the first time, you've never been in that room before,

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but you have a pretty good idea that somewhere there's a light switch and you go groping around

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in the dark to find the light switch and when you find the light switch, you turn the light switch

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on and everything comes on and you can see what's going on and then the next time you enter that

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room, it's not going to take you as long to find the light switch because you found it once before

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and then the more you practice finding the light switch, the faster it's going to be that you can

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get there. You don't even have to think about it. Yeah, it's a matter of practice. You just keep

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engaging, just keep coming back to the Lord so many times. There's between our flesh and

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there's some interference out there in the atmosphere that's trying to keep us from getting

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connected and the more we just keep our focus towards the Lord, that stuff falls off.

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You could waste a lot of time trying to chase darkness with a broom and all you have to do is

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get connected to the light in the darkness leaves. Yeah, that's very good. Sharon, I heard a statement

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where someone said that there's no such thing as complacent worship and that is so true if you

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find yourself, your mind wandering with your arms raised and your mouth moving, singing a praise,

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but your mind is wandering in a complacency, then that's not worship. You cannot claim to have

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worshiped the Lord. There's no such thing. It's an oxymoron. Complacency and worship are the opposites.

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Right? Yeah, there's a scripture about that. What comes to my mind is they that worship him must

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worship him in spirit and in truth. Maybe you've got another one. It was a different one, but it's

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like a double-minded man is unstable. That double-minded man is unstable. It's kind of being

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double-minded so you're not really connecting. I heard something, I think it was from Priscilla

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Shrier in one of her Bible studies where we were talking about the armor of God and the shield of

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faith that quenches all the fiery darts. She said that when you think about the pioneers that were

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going across the United States in their covered wagons and if a group of Indians came with flaming

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arrows, they would shoot the wagons and what they were doing was distracting. They knew that the

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flaming arrows that were catching their wagons on fire was not going to defeat the pioneers.

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That was not going to defeat them. All that was doing was distracting them from the real battle.

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Right. And so her point that she made was the fiery darts are just distractions. Whenever we're

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holding up the shield of faith to quench the fiery darts, the enemy uses distractions way more than

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most people realize. One of the ways is during our worship time because he knows more than we do how

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powerful a pure worship is. Right. And he doesn't want us to get there. Yes. If anyone knew, he

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would know because of where he fell from. Very true. So he will shoot the flaming arrows not to

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try to, he knows they're not going to defeat us, but he uses them as distractions. Well put.

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Well put. Well, so we've got to hold up the shield of faith and where we get that is through the word.

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Amen. That's what increases our faith. Yes. So I have one more question for you.

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Yes, ma'am. You said that this experience of these three visits to the heavenly praise arena

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was life changing. Yes. Tell us how it changed your life. The first time that I was caught up to heaven

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was when I was called into the ministry. The second time I was caught up into heaven was when he

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catapulted us in to a new ministry. And this heavenly praise arena experience where I

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got to go three times brought a depth to our ministry. I mean, we were still in full-time

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ministry just as fast as we could go, but it brought more of an awareness of the glory of God,

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of just the fact that if we can get into that pure praise, then we're going to see more signs

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and wonders and healings and things that God has for us, gifts of the spirit. And not only that,

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but the fruit of the spirit. All of the things that God has for us comes, like you said, cause

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and effect. It comes through God, the Father, God, the Son, and God, the Holy Spirit as a result of

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our connecting to him in a pure way. Beautiful. So did that change your relationship with God?

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I wouldn't exactly say that it did because I was already so heavenly minded. I was no earthly good.

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No, you're probably more earthly good because heavenly, when did you were?

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Yeah. I do know that every time that we have access to heaven, it just makes it easier to

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step through the veil. Yes. And after that time that I experienced with him, I used to,

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on further in my book, Realms of Glory, as I described what I just described,

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I described several other encounters where I've been caught up to heaven. It seemed like

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before I had that visitation where I was able to experience the heavenly praise arena,

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I would see myself in the congregation where Jesus would come up to me and offer his hand.

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And he would say, may I have this dance? And I would give him my hand and I would always be in

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a long flowing robe, long flowing gown, and he would whisk me away. And I would always be in the

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sanctuary at the church, but we would be up in the air dancing above everybody to the music. Well,

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after this heavenly praise arena experience, all of that changed. I would be in a worship service

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to any church that I would be in. And instead of him appearing to me in the sanctuary, I would

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find myself going through a garden gate. And as I opened the garden gate, he would be sitting on a

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bench and he would say, I've been waiting for you. And then he would take my hand and every time I

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would have on a different, beautiful, long flowing gown. And we would go dancing through flowers and

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orchards and butterflies and hills. And I wouldn't even be in any earthly realm. And that is what

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changed for me from then on. Just about any time that I would enter into a pure worship, I would

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find myself at that garden gate. And I've had several experiences where the Lord showed me

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something while we would stop dancing in heaven. And he would show me in one instance. And I wrote

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about this in my book. We were dancing on a garden path and there were flowers all around and they

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smelled beautiful and there were butterflies. And I said, Jesus, I love flowers. And he said, I know.

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And that's always why he always took me to flower gardens in heaven. And it didn't look like flower

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gardens on earth at all. He stopped dancing with me and he stood and looked beyond my shoulder,

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past my shoulder. And he looked sad. And I turned around to see what he was looking at. And we walked

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a little ways and there was a cliff. There was a drop off there in the garden path that we were

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standing on. In the drop off, I could see the earth spinning in darkness at an outer space. I could see

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the sphere of the earth and it had black soot all over it. And I could see a tear coming down his

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cheek. And he said, that is because men and women's hearts have turned so far away from me

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and from God. And then all of a sudden, the earth that I was looking at came a little closer and I

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could through the soot as the earth was spinning, I could see the continent of the United States.

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I could see North America and I could see the United States, just the outline of it.

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And it got closer and closer and I could see right over the church that I was in when this was

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happening. I could see Arkansas and it zeroed on into where I was at. And all of a sudden,

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there was a hole that was punched up through the soot that was over the world. And I looked a little

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closer, I could see down through that hole and there was a whirlwind that the people in the

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church were praising him. And it came up through that soot like a whirlwind. And then I could see

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closer and people that were having church all over the world were punching holes through that soot.

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Yeah, that's really awesome. That's great. And it was whirlwinds. And after that experience,

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I began to think about the rushing mighty wind that was in the upper room in the book of Acts,

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chapter two. And I had always before that pictured maybe a door blowing open or a

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window shutters blowing open and the wind blowing through the room and out the other door. But what

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I began to think of after that experience was that there was a tornado like wind inside that room.

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And like a swirl of a wind and just the fact that everything was revolving in the heavenly praise

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arena on a spiral, the angels spiraling up with their way, spiraling back down, the rainbow spiraling

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and everything on a spiral. And then I believe that the ladder that Jacob saw the angels ascending

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and descending on, I believe that was a spiral. Absolutely. And I think things happen. Even our

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DNA is a spiral. Everything that is made that is alive is made up of spirals. And I just can't help

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but think that that rushing mighty wind was a whirlwind, like a spiral. When you read the book

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of Ezekiel, because you look up and what it says whirlwind and that's just what it means.

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And it was a fire catching itself. It's like a holy tornado. Yes. Absolutely. Yes. It all fits

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together and just makes so much sense. Yes. And as you study some of the words in the old

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testament that mean praise, there is a circular motion implied. And come on, look at Israeli dances.

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Yes. And the word rejoice means to twirl. It means to twirl. So there's so much in praise and worship

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that is in that spiral shape, that circular shape. And I believe it's like a drill. I do too. That

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will drill up through that. I think eternity is like that. And I think that when God created

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the universe and it's continuing to go on and on, I think it's a spiral. Yes. And another thing

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here on earth, when this is kind of crude, but when you flush the toilet, there's a spiral.

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And then you can go south of the equator and it spirals the other way. That's true.

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It goes clockwise. Yes. Yeah. It's fascinating. Yeah. And even scientists haven't figured that

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out yet. Yes. Well, I think God already knows. Yes. It's all going to fit together so perfectly.

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Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, before we close, Debbie, I would like to ask you to pray for our

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listeners because I feel like there's an invitation that the Lord wants to give them that, that as

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they walk through whatever gate it is that they go into for you, it was into a flower garden.

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And Jesus was saying, I've been waiting for you. Yes. Would you pray for our listeners to open up

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that gate to, to have that appointment with Jesus that he's been waiting for? I would love to. Can

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I preface this prayer with just a, just a simple observation. I've had people read my books and

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they said, how can you experience these God encounters? Is there a catch to it? Is there a

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key? Is there a secret? And I said, well, actually I believe there is. And I think it's because since

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I've taught children about Jesus for over 40 years, I've tried to learn to see things through

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a child's eyes. Yes. And I think that most adults make things too complicated.

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And I think to have a simple childlike faith and there's a difference in childlike behavior

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and childish behavior. We don't like it when children behave childish, but God likes it when

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we keep from losing our childlikeness. And part of that is that it's simple, spontaneous, and that

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it children are not skeptical. I think so many times people nip it in the bud when the Lord tries

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to show them something and they're skeptical. They want to analyze it and look at it from all

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different ways. Just be like a little child and amazing wonder, just let the Lord show you with,

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with a childlike delight and wonder at what he wants to show you and experience it instead of

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taking it all apart. So I believe that's kind of the key. And I think a verse that goes with that,

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blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God. And I'm not saying that I have a pure heart.

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I'm not, I wouldn't even begin to say that about myself, but I do know that children

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have pure hearts and I think God wants us to try to become more childlike. In fact,

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that's the only way we're going to enter into the kingdom of God is to be more childlike.

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And one last thing, and then I will pray. I had gone a while without experiencing a God encounter

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and I was riding my lawnmower one day and I said, Lord, what's happened? I want to have another

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encounter with you and be caught up to heaven. And he said, when you get closer to me than you are

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to this world, the veil is just right there. Just step over. You just, all you have to do is step

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over. I'm right there. Just step through the veil. You know, if we get caught up in the cares of this

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life and the world is pulling us down, then there's a golf between us and God. But when you,

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you're closer to God than you are to the world, then just step on over. Beautiful. So let's pray

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heavenly father. We're so thankful, Lord, for all of the glories and riches that await us by the

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power of Jesus Christ and what he purchased for us through his blood. It's only through his blood.

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He is the door and Lord, as we are speaking to so many people, Lord, you know, their hearts and you

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know, their desires and some of them, their greatest desire that they've ever had is to

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encounter you in a deeper way and a deeper experience than they've ever had before. And

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they long for that and they have been praying and they have such a desire in their heart for that.

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And your word says that you would give us the desires of our heart when we delight ourselves

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in you. So I pray God that you would help people that are listening to this podcast today, that you

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would begin to help them to put their hand on the latch of that gate and to push that gate open with

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a childlike faith and to step into the glories and the riches that await us, because you long

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to just lift up that lid, just a little tiny corner to let us experience just a bit of what

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you have prepared for us, which is more glorious than our finite minds could ever even imagine.

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Finite minds could ever even comprehend, but you want to give us a little taste right now,

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because it just helps us to anticipate even more the glories that you have prepared.

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We're so thankful, God, that you love us, that you've created us to love you. You want to

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populate heaven with people that love you. That's why you created the world in the first place,

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that we love you because we chose to, because we want to. Lord, I pray that you would put the want

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to in all of these people to experience more. And I pray that as we praise you, that we would lift

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up a pure childlike worship, that everything worldly would just fall by the wayside and you

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would connect with us and we would connect with you in such a pure, pureness that we would be able

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to add to that beautiful rainbow that encircles the throne and rains down to your pleasure.

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And Lord, let that river of milk and honey flow our way, because we so desperately need

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the gifts of the Spirit, the fruit of the Spirit. We so desperately need our lives and our hearts

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and our minds to be healed. We need chains to be broken. We need signs and wonders for the

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people that have never heard and don't believe. Lord, let our praise be pure so that that river

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can flow so deep and so wide and people can swim in it. Thank you for the land of milk and honey

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that you've given to us. Thank you for all your wonderful, glorious riches and treasures that we

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can find in your word and through your Son and by the power of the Holy Spirit. In Jesus' name we

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pray. Amen. Amen. Hallelujah. Well, thank you, Debbie, for being with us again today. Can you

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tell people how to get a hold of your books? Yes, I can. I have five books. Two of them are for

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adults. And one of them is called Realms of Glory. And in that book, it kind of tells my personal

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life story of how I was saved and our ministry. And then the last section of the book, there's

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a section of several times that I've had God encounters and I try to describe them in detail.

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And every one of them is taken from my journals that I recorded right after I was born. And

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recorded right after they happened. So I'm not going from memory. I'm going from right when it

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happened. My memory is not to be trusted. And then the second book for the adults is called

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There is a River and it's preparing for the outpouring and revival that is coming to the

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Arkansas River Valley, which is right through the middle of the state of Arkansas. And both of those

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books are available on Amazon. And then I have three children's books. One of them is called Earth

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Suit. One of them is called The Little Lump of Clay. And one of them is called The Bible,

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a book like no other. And I'm writing a book now that is called Blessed are the Pure in Heart,

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For They Shall See God Developing a Childlike Faith. And then I'm working on two or three more

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children's books. So the children's books also available on Amazon? Yes. Okay. All right. Well,

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thank you so much for being with us again. This has been a delight. We've really enjoyed it.

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Well, it's been my pleasure and my honor. Thank you so much. Amen. God bless you.

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