(203) “The Praying, Prophesying Plummer” with James Stone

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And I just thank God that I may be a knucklehead, but Jesus loves the people I encounter as

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much as He loves me.

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And I don't care if you're a stock trader or a doctor or an asphalt layer.

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I don't care what you're doing.

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Every person that you encounter wants and needs to hear from heaven, whether they know

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they want and need to hear from heaven or not.

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And if you can quit being a Christian long enough and just be Jesus to them, they'll

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feel love that's not you, and they'll want it.

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God promises in Joel 2, 28 to pour out His Spirit on all humanity.

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Welcome to global outpouring, where we contend for that promise outpouring, we equip for

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that outpouring so that we may engage in that very outpouring.

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I'm Philip Buss.

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And I'm Sharon Buss.

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Welcome to the podcast today.

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We have with us a very special guest, James Stone, and he has been kind of on our radar

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as a companion in the ministry and doing all kinds of things in the background of things.

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But we're just getting to know him better as far as what he does for a living.

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He is a praying, prophesying plumber.

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Thanks for joining us today.

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We're so glad that you're with us.

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We expect that this is going to be a life changing podcast for you.

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But before we get started, we want to encourage you to go to our website global outpouring

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dot net and make sure that you have subscribed to our email lists so that we can stay in

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touch with you.

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And we want to encourage you to give us some feedback any time that you're able to, any

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time that the Holy Spirit moves on you by something that you hear.

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We'd love to hear where you're from, where you're listening from and just the reaction

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that God gives you.

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I think this one in particular is going to be something you're going to want to respond

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to and say, Hey, this helped me in my life.

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So James, thank you so much for joining us today.

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We are so excited to have you.

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Thank you for inviting me.

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Well, indeed a pleasure.

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Well, we needed some plumbing done not too long ago.

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Well, I won't go into the details of what happened, but you came to our rescue and it

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just happened.

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It just happened that you were able to come on a Friday.

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So you were able to minister for our Friday night live worship service on YouTube and

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Facebook.

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And we've gotten to know a little bit more about you in this way.

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And we just felt like these kind of stories that you're telling are stories that are going

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to help our listeners.

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So our thing here is about contending for the outpouring of the Holy Spirit and equipping

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for the outpouring of the Holy Spirit so that we can engage in the outpouring of the Holy

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Spirit.

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Well, you are a walking engagement in the outpouring everywhere you go.

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Tell us what the Lord showed you about this 15 foot radius around you.

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Well, that's really interesting because I began to pray about the Lord's prayer and

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I began to study what the Lord's prayer is.

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And part of that prayer is, Father, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

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And so I asked myself, how does God's will happen in heaven?

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And so I understand this, that God's will in heaven happens perfectly with no hindrances.

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And heaven is eat up with raw faith, trust, love, all about God.

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And this earthly kingdom is eat up with doubt, unbelief, and mistrust.

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And we reflect in our nature the kingdom we're more rightly related to.

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And so I'm looking around the world trying to find a place where God's will is happening

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on earth the way it's happening in heaven.

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And I'm convicted in my heart by heaven that it's my heart he's talking about and that

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he wants to create in my heart a place where his will can happen perfectly.

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And as I assessed my life, I realized that I've not let that happen.

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I have reflected in my nature doubt and unbelief many, many times, raised in the church, but

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did not understand that I was putting a cap on what God could do.

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So I began to pray about this and the Lord began to unfold it over a period of time.

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It didn't happen overnight.

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But I realized that science tells us that our heart has an electromagnetic field that

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goes away from us and extends out to up to 15 feet.

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And so when we create that environment, we partner with heaven and create that environment

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in us where God's will can happen in our heart like it does in heaven.

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Then for 15 feet in every direction from where we're standing or standing, that's the kingdom

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of God.

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And that allows the authority of heaven to go before us and come behind us and be on

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all sides of us.

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And it allows a thousand to fall at your side and 10,000 to your right hand and nothing

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comes close to you.

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Amen.

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Wow.

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So tell us, Philip was trying to tell me a story that you related to him about a guy

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that came into a restaurant where you were eating, then he was chewing out his wife and

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what happened?

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Well, we've all had these experiences where we're just sitting here and our spiritual

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mood is hungry.

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We're not praying.

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We're not upset.

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We're not interceding.

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We're just trying to feed.

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And so you're just in a neutral mentality and somebody walks into a restaurant with

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a bad mood.

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Maybe they're fussing with their spouse or their partner, whoever it is.

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And before you know it, you're feeling uncomfortable because it's getting loud and you're hearing

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things you don't want to hear.

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And what we don't understand when that happens, we've let their spirit come and dominate

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ours.

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And so we as Christians, as believers, as kingdom believers, we need to understand that

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15 foot radius is the kingdom of God and the authority of heaven walks within that realm.

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And so literally every demon within that radius is subject to the authority of the name of

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Jesus Christ.

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Amen.

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And so literally when somebody walks into our presence with a bad mood, they are the

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ones that should be altered, not because of me, but because of the presence of God that

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inhabits my praise because my life is laid down worship and God inhabits the praise of

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his people.

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And so everywhere we go, people should recognize the presence, whether they can identify it

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or not, it should change who they are.

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But we've all had that experience where we're sitting in a restaurant or in a public place

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and maybe a couple of walks in and they're, you know, maybe they're on a date and they

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just get all ushy and icky and you know, that gets off on everybody in the room, you know?

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Next thing you know what, you're ready to go, you know, because you want to go be alone

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with your spouse, you know?

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And it just changes who we are and we let that affect us, but truly we're supposed to

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be changing the world with that.

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And the most incredible dynamic of that is, you know, not so much that he inhabits that,

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which is a really amazing thing, is that God multiplies, he doesn't add.

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And so if a thousand falls at your side and 10,000 at your right hand, it's a multiplying

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factor of 10.

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So if I do this and you do this, then that's not 60 feet, that's 300 feet.

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And if Philip joins with this, that's multiplied again by a factor of 10.

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So now we're going up to 3,000.

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And so it just, you know, that's how 12 people could change the world in such a short time,

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is the synergy math of God changes everything.

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That is tremendous.

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So tell us the story about the lady that was so contrary and had such an ugly atmosphere

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around her and you were called to do a plumbing job for her.

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Well, several years ago we had a bad freeze and we had put everything on hold, all of

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our new stuff, and we were only doing emergency service work so that we could get people's

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water restored.

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And so I had a lady call me and she wanted a faucet in a kitchen changed out.

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And I told her, I said, well, I can't do that right now.

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Right now I'm only doing emergency service.

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This is an emergency for me.

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And I was like, well, I have people that don't have water.

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They can't flush their toilets, you know, they can't take a shower, they can't be clean,

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they can't cook.

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And so, you know, that's all we're doing.

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I said the earliest I can be at your house is on a Thursday.

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You know, it's like a week and a half out or whatever.

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And so this amazing lady, she has a farmhouse that her farmhand lives in.

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She turns the gas off his house, freezes his pipes, calls me back the next day.

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I've got frozen pipes.

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Can you come to my house?

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Oh, she did that on purpose.

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Yes, yes, yes.

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Well, that was mean.

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And so I go, I uncover what's going on in the house.

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And this lady happens to be one of the most foul mouthed, filthy talking people I've ever

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been around.

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Wow.

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And so in the construction trade, I'm around a lot of this.

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Yeah, I hear that.

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And she has eclipsed some of the worst mouthed guys I've ever been around.

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Wow.

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You know, but for whatever reason, you know, when I was younger, I may have asked her not

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to talk that way around me because, you know, I'm a reverend, you know.

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But I didn't do that.

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You know, I didn't do it on purpose or whatever.

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But you know, I learned a long time ago, people need to experience God.

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They don't need to experience my relationship.

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They need to experience God.

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And so if I have to tell you about my relationship with God, then it's probably not very impactful.

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And so it was really interesting, though, because I fixed the guy's water, got his water

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back on and said, since you're here, would you look at my kitchen sink?

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And so I said, OK, you know, so I go up there because I'm a nice guy.

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I'm kind of gruff and mean sometimes, but I'm a nice guy at heart.

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And so I go up here to look at what's going on and she don't have the right parts.

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And she said, but when can you come back?

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I said, next Thursday.

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And so the following Thursday, I'm in her house and I had been back a couple of times

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during the week to work on the farmhouse because it kept having a problem.

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And I'm sitting in the middle of her kitchen floor and she looks at me from across the

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room and she said the most unexpected words that I would have expected to come out of

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her mouth.

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And she's looking down at me because I'm sitting in the floor and she says, James, I love it

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when you come to my house.

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Goodness just comes off of you.

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And this has been several years ago.

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And I really did not know what to say.

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How do you reply to that?

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Do you get up and start preaching or do you just say thank you?

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And I learned a long time ago that there's a lot of false humility in the church, in

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the kingdom, in the body of Christ.

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You go up and thank somebody for a song and they're like, oh no, that was the Lord.

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The Lord gave me that song.

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Well, I think the Lord could have wrote that last verse just a little bit better.

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I don't thank God.

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But you don't want to contend with people, but you bless them and they take your blessing

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and push it back because they say they're not worthy to receive them.

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And that's really what they're saying.

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And I learned this a while back that when somebody comes up and says thank you, I say

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you're welcome.

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When I get in my private place, I say, hey God, look what I got that belongs to you.

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Because there's nothing good in me.

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If you look at me and see something amazing, that's Jesus in me.

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And so when you're thanking me, you're actually praising God.

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But the only God you've seen is the one I'm carrying around.

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So you superimpose that on me.

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And so when I get in my prayer closet, I give that to God.

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Well, everything you give to God, he blesses it and gives it back to you.

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And so I began to learn through that experience that the authority of the believer is real.

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The authority of the kingdom of heaven is real.

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And I knew this in my head the whole time, but I didn't practice it in my spirit.

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And so I realized that when I walk into that room, that 15 feet radius, every demon that's

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screaming in somebody's life is suspended from being able to communicate with that person

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while I'm there because that demon is subject to the authority of Jesus.

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And so in that moment while I'm in their house, working on their pipe, replacing the sink,

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unplugging a toilet, I mean, whatever I'm doing, guess what?

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The demons that are hindering their life is not working.

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And so everything I say can go straight to the heart and penetrate to the core of who

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they are.

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And so the Lord had spoke to me several years previous to this.

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I'm driving down a gravel road.

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I'm actually listening to a Bill Johnson tape, you know, or CD or whatever.

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And I turn it down.

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It's a sunny spring day and I turn it down because there's people in a yard and I'll

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slow way down and they're out there doing a wedding or something, you know, and I didn't

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want to throw dust all over the yard and I didn't want to be a noise invasion.

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And the Lord spoke to me and He said, turn that back up, slow down, but turn it back

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up because I'm going to make you a Trojan horse and you're going to carry me into places

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where I'm not welcome.

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Wow.

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I didn't know what to think about that.

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I didn't know that in just a few short days I'm going to be a plumber and I'm going to

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be going into all these houses for believers, unbelievers, witches, the demonic, you know,

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I mean, all of them, you know, backslidden Christians, people that have a form of godliness,

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but they're denying the power.

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I was in all their houses.

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And you know what, when you got a plumbing problem, you don't care who comes.

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It could be a Hare Krishna, it could be a Jehovah's Witness or a Pentecostal preacher.

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Just, you know, get my sewer out of my house, you know?

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And so while I was there, God allowed me to be able to speak His voice into people's lives,

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not because I had the knowledge, but because I had Jesus and He taught me this through

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a process that they're open to hear from heaven because He walks before me, He walks behind

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me, He walks on all sides of me.

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And it changed the way I do business.

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It changed the way I encounter every individual person.

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And this lady actually winds up getting saved.

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I don't pray her through to salvation.

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Somebody else did that.

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Yeah, but you did your part.

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But I did my part by letting her encounter Jesus instead of encounter me.

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Beautiful.

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And I've done that quite by accident.

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I didn't do it on purpose.

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But God used that encounter to teach me that I could actually do this and be a tool in

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the hand of the Lord and not even know it.

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Wow.

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So it was amazing.

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Wow.

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Well, tell us the story about the policeman that had the bad back.

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Yeah, this was a few years later.

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There was another freeze.

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And we were close to a month, month and a half, getting everybody stubbed.

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And all the plumbers in the area had shut down, like I said before, doing any kind of

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new work.

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And all the contractors know that we're not going to be on the job as long as people don't

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have water because it is the plumbers responsibility to protect the health of the nation.

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And if you do not have running water, that's important.

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And so this guy called me and begged me to come to his house.

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And we're at the end of this process.

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And I go over there and when I pull up in his driveway, he literally jumps and runs

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toward my truck.

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I've not had that reaction very many times.

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My wife don't even jump and run toward me, maybe away from me sometimes.

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Depends on what you've been working on.

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But it's just really amazing because he jumps up the truck and I jump out and we start talking

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about his leak.

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And we begin to start, for whatever reason, talking about father's heart to heal his kids.

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And I tell him, I said, it's always God's will to heal his kids.

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And I go to the scripture and I talk about the Fair Phoenician lady who petitioned Jesus

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and Jesus was ignoring her.

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And he turns her down when she finally does ask him.

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He turns her down in no polite way.

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The second time, he tells her, it wouldn't be good for me to give the children's bread

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to the dogs.

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And most of you listening to this know this story, so I don't have to give you all the

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details.

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But she persisted against the revealed will of heaven and said, well, even the dogs get

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the crumbs off the master's table.

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And she heard these words, be it to you whatsoever you will.

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And I think that's an amazing thing because even against our trained theological doctrinal

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belief structure, if we'll pursue heaven on the outside of that, we can get what we need.

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Because doctrine may tell us God don't do this anymore.

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But we have reality that says, and we actually have scriptural reference that says, I can

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pursue heaven if I have a greater revelation of who God is and what he wants to do for

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me.

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I can get from heaven what I need for my kids, for my husband, for my wife, for my mother,

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my father, my grandkids, my cousins, whoever it is.

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And so we're talking about this.

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And I talked to him about the 15 foot area around me and I talked to him about that being

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the kingdom of God because in my heart is Jesus Christ.

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And that's who I carry with me.

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Quite by chance, I guess, it was actually God that did it, but I wasn't thinking.

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I just looked at him and I said, look here, man.

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I said, when I leave, you can be in pain, but while I'm here, you can't hurt.

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Had no idea what I was saying.

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He crammed his hand down his pocket and he pulls out a bottle of high-powered pain medication.

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He shows it to me.

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He says, I take two of these three times a day to function.

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I was actually going into my pocket when you pulled up.

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And when I saw you, I jumped and ran towards your truck for some reason.

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And I've not hurt since you've been here.

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Glory to God.

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And it sounds prideful.

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It sounds pompous.

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But I looked at him and I said, well, man, you have a decision then.

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When I leave, you can either take a pill or you can receive what heaven has done for you.

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And he calls me like three months later and he says, man, I talked to my pastor about

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it and we don't believe in this kind of thing.

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He told me I'm crazy and you're crazy too.

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But I've not taken another pill.

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Glory to God.

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And then I haven't talked to him in two, three, four years.

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It's been a long time.

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And one day in a local convenience store, I had went in to get a cup of coffee.

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And while I'm walking back toward the front of the store, I see a uniformed deputy.

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He walks through the door.

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He looks at me and he throws both of his hands in the air and he bends over at a 90 degree

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angle and starts twisting around.

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And of course everybody's looking, what's this deputy doing bound to this fat plumber?

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And he looks at me and he says, it still works.

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Glory to God.

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It took me a minute to make the connection because I wasn't thinking about this encounter

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at the moment.

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But as soon as I made the connection, I just wanted to get to my truck and say, Jesus,

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look what I got that belongs to you.

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Beautiful.

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Because it's an amazing thing because it works and it works better than anything we can possibly

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make up or imagine.

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And it's just so amazing to be able to do this.

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Wow.

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Glory to God.

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Well, tell us the story of the lady that you went out to her house and then you had to

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go and get some parts and it was going to take a long time.

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Had an entourage there waiting.

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This was really interesting because I've heard other people have encounters like this and

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they were more dramatic than what I experienced.

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And so I never looked for these encounters.

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When I was growing up, people talk about the Holy Ghost and fire make you want to go devil

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hunting with a switch.

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Well, see, that's just stupid.

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If I'm going to go devil hunting, it better be with a supernatural weapon.

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So I don't look for demons, but I encountered demons because they run from the authority

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and I see them when they're running.

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Amen.

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Or they'll turn around.

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I had one turn around and make a face at me one time in Branson.

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I didn't know what to do.

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I was like, man, we're in a mall.

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I remember this lady calls me and she says, Hey, I got a problem with my sewer.

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Can you come?

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I was like, yeah, I can come.

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And I said an appointment and I went out to her place on time and I didn't sense anything.

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I didn't feel anything.

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I knock on her door, nothing.

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She's like a normal housewife or granny woman, whatever you want to call her.

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She says it's around back.

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You can see it.

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Somebody's already been digging on it.

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And sure enough, I get back there, identify the situation.

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I know what I need to fix it because I'm equipped.

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I know what I'm doing.

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It makes a difference when you know what you're doing.

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And so I go back to her door and I say, I know what I got to have, but I got to run

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back to the supply house.

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And it's about a 25, 30 minute drive, maybe a little longer from her house to where I've

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got to go.

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So I'd tell her I'm going to be back in about an hour and a half or two hours because the

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drive in the drive back to time in the store, it was lunchtime.

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So I got something to eat.

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But when I got back, it was really funny because she lived way off the road, but there was

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a bunch of cars in a driveway.

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I just, I knew it was 12, you know, and I counted them.

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You know, sure enough, it's 12 and there's 12 people, male and female standing in the

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driveway.

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And as soon as I started to open the door, I didn't know what was going on.

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The Lord says, Hey, I got this.

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So I know I'm going to be okay, whatever this is, but I didn't know this was for me.

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And as I, my feet hit the ground, the first person in the line approached me to say something.

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And the Lord put this word in me and I looked at her and I said, lady, and I told her how

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old she was when she laid on her bed, looking at a poster on a closet door, and she decided

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to pursue the dark arts and reject Jesus Christ.

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And she looked at me and she dropped the stuff that was in her hands and she got in her car

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and she drove away.

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And we went 11 more times.

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Each one of them got a prophetic word or a word of knowledge that told them when they

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chose to reject Jesus and pursue magic.

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Okay.

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Except for one who the word they got was, you never made the choice.

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Your parents gave you in the womb to Satan and her parents died in an accident.

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She was delivered on the side of the road, dedicated to Satan before she was ever born

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with no covering now.

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You know, and that person left too.

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And so I'm standing there alone in the driveway, 12 clouds of dust going up the road and these

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books and charms and potions laying in the driveway because they all left their stuff

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there.

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And I go to the door to this lady's house and she's standing there and I said, Hey,

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you want to have a conversation or what?

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And she says, look, why don't you just fix my sewer and get up out of here?

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She didn't use those exact words.

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You use your imagination.

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But I said, okay.

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And I went and I fixed her stuff and I'm going to collect money, you know, it's time to get

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a check.

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So I go back in her house and I make her a bill out and she says, you just need to know

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you're on our list.

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And I said, well, you just be rest and sure that you're on my list too.

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Okay.

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I later found out she's the head of a witch coven.

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Okay.

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And those were 12 of her apprentice witches, you know, and, you know, so, and they had

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came to, they had come there to curse me because she recognized in me something that they hated.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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She didn't know nothing about me.

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And they had no idea what was fixed to happen.

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You know, a couple of years later, this lady calls me, she asked me if I remember her.

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She tells me where she, and I remembered that, you know, and she says, well, I need you to

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come see me.

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I said, where yet?

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She said, I'm in the hospital and I show up at the hospital.

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She's dying.

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She has just a few days to live.

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She has cancer.

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And she said, if this Jesus that you preach is real, then I need him to show up in my

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life.

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And I pray for her there and she gets saved and God restores her and she lives through

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four more years and she lives long enough to lead all 12 of those people to Jesus that

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stood in that driveway.

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Wow.

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You know, and so it's just really amazing.

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So now she's on a different list.

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Yes.

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Glory to God.

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Glory to God.

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So how did you get into this?

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Like we know that you grew up in the church, Pentecostal church, and you started preaching

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when you were 14.

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So you know, you've been in the ministry for a long, long, long time, but how did you get

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to this point where you recognize this authority and where this kind of miraculous thing was

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happening?

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Well, you know, it's kind of like getting dirty.

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You don't know what you stink until somebody else tells you.

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And you're like, well, you're right.

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I need to get a shower, change these clothes.

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A lot of times when you pursue heaven, heaven comes along for the ride because he said,

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if you seek me and keep on seeking me, you'll find me.

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If you knock and keep knocking, you'll...

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And so, you know, we have a lot of pseudo Christians that are pursuing a lot of things

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with part of their heart and they're pursuing other things with the rest of their heart.

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Come on.

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And so, you're just only getting part of anything.

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You're never getting all of it.

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Okay?

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And so, I surrounded myself with some amazing people in those days.

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We were going to a church in North Carolina, and I'm gonna throw their name in here because

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I just think the world and all of them, but Doug and Kathy Rowe, they pastor a church

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in North Carolina, and they had such a pastor's heart and a pastor's mantle.

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And I grew up...

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In the short time we were with them, I grew up so much in Jesus.

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Wonderful.

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And I've been exposed to all the different ministries that we all know and listen to

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so many different people.

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You know, the Bible says that there's a famine of the hearing of the Word, but there's not

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a famine of good teaching and preaching.

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Yeah.

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Whoa.

467
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,400
You know, we need the Word of Heaven that reigns a word right now.

468
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:22,400
Okay?

469
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,280
And so, I began to pursue this.

470
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:32,560
And one day, I'm at home, and I'm just there with my wife and my two little ones, and God

471
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,920
begins to just deal with me.

472
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:41,080
And He tells me in my spirit that there's fixing to be a political shift in the Northeast,

473
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,240
specifically Massachusetts.

474
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:49,120
And I tell my wife, I said, something's fixing to happen in this Northeast state that is

475
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:54,160
going to change the balance of political power in the United States.

476
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,680
And I didn't tell anybody else but her, because I didn't have a platform, I didn't have a

477
00:26:58,680 --> 00:26:59,680
mic.

478
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:00,960
Nobody was listening to me.

479
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,160
Nobody could care less what I say.

480
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,440
And so, just like three weeks later, Ted Kennedy dies.

481
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:07,440
Oh, wow.

482
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,320
And a Republican gets that seat for the first time in 50 years and change the balance of

483
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,320
the Senate, the US Senate.

484
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:14,320
Wow.

485
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,920
And that was God's confirmation to me that I've put something in you that's real.

486
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:19,920
Yes.

487
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,680
And like three or four days later, I had lost my job.

488
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:23,680
Wow.

489
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:24,680
Okay?

490
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,000
And we went from making $75,000 a year to $10 an hour.

491
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,800
And it changed our life.

492
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:30,800
Wow.

493
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,080
And I said, well, I'm sitting in my car.

494
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:36,800
I just got home from work and this lady calls and wants to sell me Amway.

495
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,360
And she's like, you know, please.

496
00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:40,640
I told her, I said, I don't have the money to buy nothing.

497
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,040
If they were selling river boats, a dime a dozen, all I could do is run up and down the

498
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,400
river bank saying, ain't that cheap, you know?

499
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,440
Because I had $0 in my pocket.

500
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,680
I understand exactly what it's like to turn the couch upside down and shake it for coins

501
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,080
to go by milk for your kids.

502
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,800
I know exactly what that's like because I lived it.

503
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:03,580
And so she says, look, man, if you'll listen to my presentation, I get paid.

504
00:28:03,580 --> 00:28:04,880
If you don't, I don't get paid.

505
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,720
I said, I'll make you a deal.

506
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:12,640
I said, if you will give me your presentation and give me time to talk to you when we're

507
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,560
done, then I will listen to you.

508
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:17,560
Okay.

509
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,080
And so she spends 15 minutes trying to sell me Amway.

510
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,200
She's, are you ready to sign up?

511
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,160
I said, ma'am, I've told you, I don't have the money, but now you got to listen to me

512
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,240
because you promised you would.

513
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:33,440
And I give her a word of knowledge and I said, you was abandoned as a child.

514
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:39,800
And I said, you're a musician, but as you were passed as a teenager through foster home

515
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:45,480
to foster home to foster home to foster home, you begin to give up on the arts.

516
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:50,680
And the last thing you left behind was a keyboard and you've not touched the keys since you

517
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:51,680
left that last place.

518
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:56,500
And you're an adult now, but you don't even look back on what was given to you as a child

519
00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:59,200
as a gift from God.

520
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,680
And I could hear her crying.

521
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:05,640
She said, I was abandoned by my parents and I came up as in foster, but because I was

522
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,400
a teenager, I was passed from house to house to house to house.

523
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:15,000
And I caught so much nonsense from people having to move my guitar, move my horns, move

524
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,920
my, you know, the last thing I left was a keyboard and I touched it since then.

525
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,520
And I began to witness to her and tell her about the love of Jesus.

526
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,880
And I said, now I know you need to go off the home because your sugar bear is waiting.

527
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:26,880
That's exactly what I said.

528
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:31,520
She goes, how do you know I call him sugar bear?

529
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,080
And so those kinds of things begin to happen.

530
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,820
You know, it wasn't in church.

531
00:29:35,820 --> 00:29:38,200
It happened outside of the church.

532
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:43,040
You know, I was doing a sales job and I encountered this lady in Waynesville, North Carolina,

533
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,040
and I'm trying to sell her something.

534
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,040
I have an appointment.

535
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:49,360
She's late, but I wait because I don't have anything else to do because I'm broke, you

536
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:50,520
know?

537
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:56,640
And when she gets there, I get a word of knowledge and I say, you got four kids.

538
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,080
You got a set of twins and two others.

539
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,740
These are your twins' names and this is your other kid's names.

540
00:30:02,740 --> 00:30:07,200
This is their personalities and this is how you tell your twins apart.

541
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:12,600
I'm blown away by the word I just got, you know, because I, you know, I mean, I just,

542
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,280
you can't make that up, you know?

543
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,640
And she's looking at me as stone-faced as you can possibly be.

544
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,680
Okay?

545
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,480
Doesn't move her at all.

546
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:28,000
And the Lord pushes me from the inside out and I said, well, let me tell you something

547
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,000
else about you.

548
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,120
I said, I see you at nine years old.

549
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,960
You're standing at a fence in front of a house beside an oak tree.

550
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,400
There's an old white car there and you're holding on to a pair of jeans that's got legs

551
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:42,400
in them.

552
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,120
There's holes in these jeans around the knee.

553
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:51,440
And I see daddy's hands push your shoulders away and push you back away from away from

554
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:52,440
the car.

555
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,680
He turns around, walks and gets in the car and drives away.

556
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:57,680
That would break her.

557
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,880
And immediately it pierced her heart.

558
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:08,960
And she said, when I was nine years old, that exact encounter happened with my father and

559
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,720
I have not seen him since then.

560
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:16,320
But he called me this week and said he's gotten saved.

561
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:23,360
And he wants to come this weekend and meet his grandkids who were teenagers.

562
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:28,560
So this encounter, give her courage to say, God was there.

563
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,440
He saw me and I wasn't alone.

564
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,640
And that was so amazing.

565
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:38,600
And so I realized at that point that God has poured something in me.

566
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,680
Because I was doing this sales job, I was fairly good at it until I realized I was having

567
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,440
to lie.

568
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,680
The sales pitch we were giving people was bad and it was a bad product.

569
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:48,680
I didn't know.

570
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,200
I was just trying to make a dollar.

571
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:55,300
But I decided I didn't want to be in sales because it reminded me a lot of my spiritual

572
00:31:55,300 --> 00:32:02,360
upbringing that people would tell you stuff that sounded good that really didn't work.

573
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,760
And so you would buy into it and then you go and you was out there alone trying this

574
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,120
stuff out and you would fall flat on your face.

575
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:14,680
And so through that time, I began to quit studying the Bible to preach.

576
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,080
And I started studying the Bible to live.

577
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,800
That's so good.

578
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,240
Because every time in the past I'd ever open the Bible, I was opening the Bible to prove

579
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:23,240
what I know.

580
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:24,240
Oh, wow.

581
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,120
And when I would try to prove what I know in my brain, then I would say, yeah, I'm going

582
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:29,120
to preach.

583
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,420
I'll preach it like this.

584
00:32:30,420 --> 00:32:32,160
And so now I study the Bible to live.

585
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:33,160
That's so good.

586
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,760
I'm going to minister out of the content of my heart, out of the content of my life.

587
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,920
Wow, wow, wow.

588
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:46,880
So explain for us, explain for our listeners what it's like to get a word of knowledge.

589
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:52,800
It's kind of like having a brain that works.

590
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,080
Jesus says, my sheep know my voice and a stranger they won't follow.

591
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,320
Now I'm a radio guy.

592
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,560
So I like, I don't listen to the radio now, but when I was younger, I loved listening

593
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,240
to the radio.

594
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,680
And we would have favorite radio stations when you were younger.

595
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,080
And when you would get on the edge of that radio station, it would start fizzing in and

596
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,680
out, you know, and that static would take over.

597
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,160
Other radio stations would bleed over the top of it.

598
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,040
But if it was a show that you like, say it was a talk show that you really liked, you

599
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,280
could actually sit there and listen to the guys that you like to hear through all that

600
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:25,280
static.

601
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:29,160
You know, those other voices coming into that frequency.

602
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,040
And you could pick out that what you wanted to hear.

603
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,520
You remember doing that when you were listening to the radio when you was younger?

604
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,400
Okay, that's what listening to heaven is like.

605
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,520
Because heaven is always broadcasting, always.

606
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:50,100
But there's a competition for your reception in the spirit realm.

607
00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:53,560
So there's always stuff flying through the airways of your brain.

608
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:58,600
And what we have to do is be in such relationship with Jesus that we pick his voice out through

609
00:33:58,600 --> 00:33:59,600
the static.

610
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:00,600
Oh, that's so good.

611
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:01,600
That's good.

612
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,880
You know, and if we live with a lot of static in our lives, then maybe we need to move closer

613
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:05,880
to the station.

614
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:06,880
Exactly.

615
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:07,880
You know?

616
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,480
But sometimes God will send you to the limits.

617
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,260
And you have to be able to pick his voice out of all the static.

618
00:34:15,260 --> 00:34:19,800
Because as much as heaven's trying to get your attention, there's a demonic horde that

619
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,280
wants your attention as well.

620
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,640
Second Corinthians 3.18 says, what we look at, we become.

621
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:33,960
You know, and so if you're only dwelling on the static and saying, man, I can't hear heaven,

622
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:34,960
guess what?

623
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,400
There'll always be that for you.

624
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:41,720
But if you'll learn his character, you'll be able to pick him out of a crowd.

625
00:34:41,720 --> 00:34:45,760
And if I'm sitting in a crowd of 50 people and everybody's talking, I can hear my wife

626
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,400
talking no matter if she's talking to me or not.

627
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:49,880
Because I know her voice.

628
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:50,880
Beautiful.

629
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,600
Sometimes it brings me peace.

630
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,120
Sometimes it brings me a shiver.

631
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,360
You know, depending on what I've been up to.

632
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,840
But I can always pick her voice out.

633
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,680
And we should be so in tune with heaven.

634
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,160
But see, he whispers his truth.

635
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:12,240
And if we'll hear that, every person you walk into, whether you're in the supermarket, you're

636
00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:16,840
at the gas station, you're getting your hair done, you're at work, God wants to speak to

637
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,080
every person you encounter.

638
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,080
And you can do it.

639
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,540
When I first got married, I'm learning this.

640
00:35:22,540 --> 00:35:23,760
It's tough.

641
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,440
I'll sit down in a restaurant.

642
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,760
It's like listening to 50 different radio stations at one time because I could hear

643
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,480
the anxiety of every person in the room.

644
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:33,480
And you can talk to my wife.

645
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:34,480
You can ask her.

646
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,800
I would excuse myself half done with the meal because it would physically make me sick.

647
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:45,080
I had to learn how to hear this and how to discern what I need to say when I need to

648
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:46,080
say it.

649
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,080
Because you know what?

650
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:51,400
Jesus didn't heal every person he encountered.

651
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,360
There's times where he healed them all.

652
00:35:54,360 --> 00:36:00,280
But the man at the gate, beautiful, Jesus passed him by dozens of times in his life.

653
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,120
But he was saving that one for Peter and John.

654
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:09,240
So not every person you encounter should you stop, break down, and start trying to preach

655
00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:10,240
to them.

656
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:16,820
But I do know this, is that the Bible was written as a guideline for how to be a Christian,

657
00:36:16,820 --> 00:36:18,560
not how to get saved.

658
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,880
And so we have a lot of Christians just trying to carry the Bible to the world when in fact

659
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,360
we need signs and wonders.

660
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:26,880
That brings them to Jesus.

661
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,600
And then they learn how to be a Christian.

662
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:30,600
Yeah.

663
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:38,080
So tell us about the time that you were fighting with your wife.

664
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,360
Which time would you like to know about?

665
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,320
You only told us one story like that.

666
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,560
No, we actually made a mistake one time and moved to a place that we shouldn't have moved

667
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:49,560
to.

668
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:50,920
We didn't hear from heaven, right?

669
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:55,040
And so we didn't have a good time while we were there.

670
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,080
Because when you get out of the will of God, nothing really works.

671
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:02,200
So you have to get off that wrong road and get back on the right road.

672
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:08,040
And so we had made a decision, we had issues there, but you have to walk this out.

673
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,160
And so one day we're there, we're not fighting about this.

674
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:11,620
I don't even remember what we're fighting about.

675
00:37:11,620 --> 00:37:16,840
But I know that it's not just a pokey in the belly fuss.

676
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,720
We're yelling slamming doors kind of stuff.

677
00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:25,040
And where we was at, we did not have good cell reception, nor very good internet.

678
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,760
And my phone rang in the house.

679
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,800
And so I answer it.

680
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,080
And I know I need to answer it because it rang.

681
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:35,880
And so, and this guy says, Hey, man, you don't know me, but this guy, and he gave me a name,

682
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,800
give me your number, said you could help me.

683
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,280
And I'm thinking he's got a plumbing issue.

684
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,000
And with the current environment in my house, I'm willing to go do whatever just to be away

685
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,580
from this for a little bit, you know?

686
00:37:47,580 --> 00:37:53,720
And so he said, man, my brother has had a wreck and he's dying on the side of the road.

687
00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:55,840
Could you please come and pray for my brother?

688
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,360
And I said, where's he at?

689
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,920
And he told me, and it's about 45 minutes from where I'm at.

690
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,160
And I said, well, I will start that way.

691
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,760
And I told my wife, I said, I got to go.

692
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,240
And she sensed it immediately and began to pray.

693
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:09,240
Okay.

694
00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:10,400
So it broke down the fight.

695
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:11,400
Yeah.

696
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:12,400
Oh yeah.

697
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,080
You can't fight in the presence of God.

698
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:15,080
Isn't God good?

699
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,080
Oh yeah.

700
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:17,080
He's so kind.

701
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:21,520
And so I take off and I go and it's 45 minutes.

702
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,080
I drive to where I got to be.

703
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,120
I come up on the accident.

704
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:26,800
There's not one single cop.

705
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,720
There's not no firefighters, no trucks, no ambulance.

706
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:31,720
Nobody's there.

707
00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:32,960
There's just bystanders that had stopped.

708
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:37,680
And there was a couple EMTs that were in their personally owned vehicles, had stopped to

709
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,360
check on the wreck, found the guy and was trying to do CPR.

710
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:42,360
Okay.

711
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,220
Well, I find the brother and I say, Hey man, I'm James.

712
00:38:46,220 --> 00:38:47,220
You called me.

713
00:38:47,220 --> 00:38:48,220
He says, yeah, thank you for coming.

714
00:38:48,220 --> 00:38:49,480
He said, my brother's right up there.

715
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:50,480
It's not good.

716
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,200
And so I start walking that way.

717
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:56,320
And when I get close, the EMTs wave me off and they said, Hey man, you don't need to

718
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:57,320
be up here.

719
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,400
So look, man, I'm a minister and this family called me and asked me to come pray for the

720
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:02,400
brother.

721
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:03,520
And they said, there's no need for you to come up here and pray.

722
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,960
This guy was dead when we started, but we can't stop.

723
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:12,700
And I said, look, whether he's dead or not, it'll give this family great peace if they

724
00:39:12,700 --> 00:39:14,200
know I came up here and prayed.

725
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,280
They said, well, you do whatever you want, but you just need to know he's dead when you

726
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:18,280
get here.

727
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:19,280
So don't be expecting anything.

728
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,040
And I said, well, that's fine.

729
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,640
And so I don't have a raise the dead ministry.

730
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:30,160
I've listened to a lot of David Hogan stuff, but I'm not going around raising the dead

731
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,960
every day, but I'm not even going to try to describe the shape of this body.

732
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:39,160
He was ejected partially from his truck and the truck rolled nine times.

733
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,080
Seven of those times his body was under the truck.

734
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:49,320
And so he was beat up beyond looking like a human being and he was not breathing.

735
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:50,720
There was no movement.

736
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:52,520
There was no heartbeat.

737
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,520
And I kneeled down and kind of pointed my knees to where his shoulders are supposed

738
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:57,520
to be.

739
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,180
And his head is close to my knees.

740
00:39:59,180 --> 00:40:01,320
And I just began to pray and I put my hands out in front of me.

741
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:02,320
I didn't touch him.

742
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,560
And I said, God, give this man a chance.

743
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,400
I said, give this man a chance.

744
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,920
I said it twice, 45 seconds.

745
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,640
All of a sudden this man sucks in a breath.

746
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,800
Now he can't move because every bone in his body is broke.

747
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:21,600
But he pulls in this breath and all of a sudden these EMTs who are going through motions,

748
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,520
all of a sudden come alive.

749
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,720
It's like a Christian when the Holy Ghost falls.

750
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:31,040
You're sitting there half asleep and somebody jumps up and shouts, you know, and all of

751
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,560
a sudden now you're right there in it.

752
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:33,980
Well, that's where they were.

753
00:40:33,980 --> 00:40:37,120
And they say, Hey man, you've been in a really bad accident, but you've got help on the

754
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:38,120
way.

755
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:42,080
I heard a siren four miles down the road.

756
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,080
They're almost there.

757
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,200
They said, Hey, this man's a minister.

758
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,280
And they pointed at me and he's been praying for you.

759
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,720
And this guy looked up at me and I couldn't move his head.

760
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:53,720
Okay.

761
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:57,520
So his eyeballs rolled back in his head and he looked at me through the top of his head,

762
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:02,320
literally, because that part of his head was just smashed in, you know, and it was the

763
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,040
most gruesome thing I've ever seen.

764
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,340
But at the same time, I'll never get it out of my mind.

765
00:41:06,340 --> 00:41:10,040
I don't want to because I never want to forget this encounter.

766
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,840
He rolled his eyes up and looked at me and says, help me, man, help me.

767
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,720
And I said, you need to call in the name of Jesus.

768
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:17,720
He can help you.

769
00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:19,440
Probably didn't say it exactly that way.

770
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,200
I said, you need to ask Jesus for help.

771
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,320
And he said, Jesus, help me.

772
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,320
Jesus, help me.

773
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:32,000
And he sucked in a breath and released that breath and it went out of him and he quit

774
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,000
breathing.

775
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,720
And he went to heaven.

776
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:36,120
Isn't that amazing?

777
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:41,400
And so there's a lot of broader story to this, how this affected me, but we won't go there

778
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:42,400
right now.

779
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:47,640
But I walked down to his family and I looked at him and I said, hey, I said, your brother

780
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,600
just went to be with Jesus.

781
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,060
I said, but before he did, he asked Jesus to help him.

782
00:41:53,060 --> 00:41:55,680
And I said, and his hand is strong.

783
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,400
If you want to see him in heaven, you call me and I'll sit down with you.

784
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,800
We'll go through the process.

785
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,240
And they disappeared.

786
00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:04,240
I just went home.

787
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:06,320
Weren't they a rough family?

788
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:07,320
Terrible family.

789
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,200
One of the roughest families in that part of the state.

790
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:11,200
Wow.

791
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:15,440
And I didn't know them because I'm not that kind of rough, you know?

792
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,720
But I am rough, but not that kind.

793
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:23,200
Eight months later, I get a call and it's this brother and he says, hey man, we're having

794
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,200
a family reunion.

795
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,440
It was the first time they all had gotten together since this guy died.

796
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,320
I want you to come and minister to my family.

797
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:36,760
And that wasn't the first time that it happened for me, but it's a weird deal because he might

798
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:41,120
want me to be there, but the rest of them might not.

799
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:42,120
But I agreed to go to him.

800
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,480
I went and they pushed a cooler up next to me and it had plenty to drink in it.

801
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:52,440
I sat there for two hours and I ministered the kingdom of God to this family and close

802
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,000
to 50 of them get saved.

803
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,880
Glory to God.

804
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:01,080
And it was the most amazing thing, but they filled up a 55 gallon trash can full of drug

805
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,080
and drug paraphernalia.

806
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,080
Wow.

807
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,200
You know, so much I had to call a local deputy, ask him to come get this stuff and do away

808
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:08,200
with it.

809
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,160
And I followed up with this deputy months and months later, who's no longer a deputy

810
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:17,640
here, but he says that this was one of the roughest families in the county and now they're

811
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,160
one of the best families in the county.

812
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:23,520
And he said the generation of children getting out of high school right now is the first

813
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:29,240
generation in this entire family line that's not in trouble with the law by the time they

814
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:30,240
get out of high school.

815
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:31,240
You know, completely changed.

816
00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:36,040
You know, they're involved in all kinds of outreach programs and celebrate recoveries

817
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,460
and you know, so it was a real transition.

818
00:43:39,460 --> 00:43:47,600
So this was an amazing experience that brought forth tremendous fruit, even though you were

819
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:54,040
in a place that you really weren't supposed to be as far as heaven was concerned, but

820
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:59,400
it's kind of like, well, as long as he's there, let's get this done.

821
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:05,040
You know, my point is that Romans 8 28 works everywhere.

822
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:10,840
No matter if we've stepped out of the will of God and we've just stepped back in, he'll

823
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,400
use us wherever we are.

824
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,680
So I just want to encourage our listeners that no matter where you are in your walk,

825
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:24,600
in your journey, you are in a position where God can use you if you'll just yield to him.

826
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,080
That's correct.

827
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:34,720
And I just thank God that I may be a knucklehead, but Jesus loves the people I encounter as

828
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:36,120
much as he loves me.

829
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:37,120
Yes.

830
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,080
You know, and it works.

831
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:43,760
If you'll truly seek the Lord, you'll find him and you'll find him in the most unassuming

832
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:44,760
places.

833
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:49,240
I don't care if you're a stock trader or a doctor or a asphalt layer.

834
00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:51,240
I don't care what you're doing.

835
00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:55,800
Every person that you encounter wants and needs to hear from heaven, whether they know

836
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,400
they want and need to hear from heaven or not.

837
00:44:58,400 --> 00:44:59,400
Yes.

838
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:05,640
And if you can quit being a Christian long enough and just be Jesus to them, they'll

839
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,760
feel love that's not you and they'll want it.

840
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:09,760
Yes.

841
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:10,760
That's beautiful.

842
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:11,760
That is beautiful.

843
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,000
That is so powerful.

844
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,280
So can you just pray for our listeners?

845
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:18,280
Yeah.

846
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:19,280
Yeah.

847
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,000
Jesus, we just thank you.

848
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,080
We thank you for the sacrifice that you made.

849
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:30,160
And we pray in your name that every person that has encountered you would begin to understand

850
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:36,880
that you love your kids and every person that walks around is your children, not just the

851
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:37,880
Christians.

852
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:42,280
And so you love every person on the earth, not just the good people, and you want every

853
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:43,280
person redeemed.

854
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:47,840
And Moses said, I would that all of God's people prophesy.

855
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:48,840
Yes.

856
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:53,080
And so Lord, I come into agreement with that prayer right now.

857
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:58,160
And Lord, we ask that every person under the sound of this podcast, no matter when they

858
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:04,040
listen to it, will be pricked in their heart that salvation is not the end.

859
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,520
It's a means to an end.

860
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,520
The Holy Spirit and His gifts are not the end.

861
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,520
They're a means to an end.

862
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:17,680
The end is to create an environment on the earth in my heart where God's will can happen

863
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,440
here like it does in heaven.

864
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:26,040
And then to partner with those that are of like mind so that we can walk through a culture

865
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,120
and change that culture.

866
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:36,920
We want to culture the earth and be heaven to those that we encounter.

867
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,960
I ask you for that in Jesus' name.

868
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:43,080
I speak rest and peace over those that are listening.

869
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,200
There's a lot of troubled minds, a lot of troubled hearts.

870
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:50,960
And I just thank you that you are the God of peace and that your hand is not small.

871
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:55,000
It's strong on behalf of those that you care for.

872
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,360
And I just pray for a manifestation of that in Jesus' name.

873
00:46:58,360 --> 00:46:59,360
Amen.

874
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:00,360
Amen.

875
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,560
Well, thank you so much for being with us today, James.

876
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:10,000
And I just want to mention that you run the Healing Rooms in Batesville, Arkansas.

877
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,920
And do you have a website for that?

878
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,640
We actually are part of the International Association of Healing Rooms.

879
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:20,320
And so you can go to healingrooms.com and you can actually look up Arkansas Healing Rooms

880
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:21,480
and you can find my name.

881
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,800
You can find my contact information there.

882
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:25,880
But we are part of that group.

883
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,240
There's some 3,000 Healing Rooms around the world.

884
00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:33,240
We're state directors in Arkansas and we're region 12 directors.

885
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:36,400
So we have seven states that we kind of look after.

886
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,560
We got good state leadership, so it's not a big job, you know.

887
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:44,040
But it's kind of fun to go and release healing in all these places.

888
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,240
That's wonderful.

889
00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:46,240
That's wonderful.

890
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:53,360
Well, thank you so much for being with us.

891
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:59,320
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00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:06,920
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895
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:15,320
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00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,160
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00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:21,620
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899
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:25,680
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00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:38,880
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