(211) “Our Father’s Heart for Muslims” with Kamran Yaraei

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I inherited Islam.

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You know how someone inherits blood pressure,

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diabetes, you know, other things.

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It just comes.

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Yeah.

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You know, you never ask for diabetes.

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You never ask, you know, for those things.

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It just, it's in the blood.

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And in those days, especially in Middle East,

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you are born, you're automatically a Muslim.

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I inherited the religion,

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and I tried to be faithful to what I inherited.

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But then I got disappointed.

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I realized this is not working.

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God promises in Joel 2.28 to pour out his spirit on all humanity.

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Welcome to global outpouring.

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We contend for that promise outpouring.

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We're equipped for that outpouring

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so that we may engage in that very outpouring.

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I'm Philip Bus.

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And I'm Sharon Bus.

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Welcome to the podcast today.

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We're so delighted that you're with us.

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This is going to be a very special one

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because we have a heart for the peoples of the world.

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We have a heart for the people that don't know Jesus yet.

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We have a heart for those that are under deception.

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And we have with us a very, very special guest.

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He's been with us before.

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Kamran Yaree.

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We call him Kamran.

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And he is an amazing man that is being mentored by Jesus himself.

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He grew up as a Shiite Muslim in Iran.

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And he's going to share with us things that have to do

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with our father's love for Muslims.

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Thank you so much for joining us today.

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You're going to enjoy this podcast.

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It's just a real, real blessing to have our brother with us.

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But before we get started, we want to encourage you

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It's a real blessing when people come alongside

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and partner with us to help get this word out

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for the outpouring that has begun around the world

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and to equip and prepare people to engage in this outpouring.

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Well, our dear friend, Kamran, it's

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so good to have you with us again on the Global Outpouring

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Podcast.

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We just love you so much and have for years.

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We love how you love God and how Jesus is mentoring you

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all the time.

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And you're just very dear to our hearts.

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Oh, thank you.

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History goes way back to Sister Gwen.

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She came to Morning Star a long time ago.

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Yes.

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And I was sitting next to her and just fell in love

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with Sister Gwen.

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And then you guys invited me.

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And I came two or three times.

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And we just got connected.

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Our heart is connected.

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I love you guys very much.

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Absolutely.

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It's a connection that is for eternity.

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Exactly.

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You know, this isn't just for here and now.

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And it's not just for an event.

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It is for eternity.

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Yes.

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I wonder what Sister Gwen is doing right now.

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She's probably looking in on this.

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She's patting us all on the back and saying, go for it.

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Go for it.

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Oh, man.

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What an amazing person.

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Oh, yeah.

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What an amazing.

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Absolutely.

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Lover of God, lover of people, lover of the deep things of God.

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Just imagine when you think about people like that,

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it brings a smile to you.

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These are we were created, right?

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But just think about the Lord when we see him.

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I think our face is going to hurt because you're just

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keep smiling in heaven like, Lord God.

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Well, I think the scripture says,

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neither shall there be any more pain.

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So I don't think our faces will hurt.

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OK.

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There.

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There.

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There.

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There.

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There.

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There.

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There.

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Oh, my goodness.

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So Kamran, we've had you on this podcast before.

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And you've told us some things about how you were at one time

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a devout Shiite Muslim.

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And you just really wanted to love God and to know him.

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But you were praying to the wrong address.

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Absolutely, yes.

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I mean, still he was hearing my voice, the Lord, the creator.

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But I was putting, it's almost like depositing all your money

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in a fraud account.

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It's like you're just like, hey, this is my money,

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which is not the money.

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It's your prayer and your conversation.

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You're putting in the wrong account.

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You're like, ah, then they let you realize.

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But our Heavenly Father, he's so gracious.

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He would say, OK, now I'm going to restore everything back to you.

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But this is me.

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Any other God, they're just so-called God.

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There's only one creator.

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And he's amazing.

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And I didn't know, because I inherited Islam.

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You know how someone inherits blood pressure, diabetes,

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other things?

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It just comes.

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You never ask for diabetes.

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You never ask for those things.

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It just, it's in the blood.

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And in those days, especially in Middle East, you are born,

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you're automatically a Muslim.

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I inherited the religion.

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And I tried to be faithful to what I inherited.

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But then I got disappointed.

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I realized this is not working.

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It's not working.

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Yeah.

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And Jesus helped you get a visa to come to the United States?

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Oh, yes, he did.

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He has connection with embassies.

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He's amazing.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, you've got to have friends in high places.

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And he's the friend in the higher place than the embassy.

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Yes, when I had my very first encounter with Jesus,

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it was, you know, you call it vision.

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Whatever we call it, I was awake and my eyes were open.

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And I didn't even know the word vision because I was a Muslim.

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And I didn't know.

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I just saw him in front of me in this hotel room.

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And the very first thing he said, he said,

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I will help you to go to America.

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And next day, I was scheduled to go to the embassy

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and apply for a visa.

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In most cases, the answer is no.

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And the next day, I got my visa.

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It's amazing that the Lord, the very first encounter

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after many years, he had a lot to tell me.

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But he's so patient.

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He didn't say, follow me.

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He didn't say, I'm the son of God.

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He didn't say, you're worshiping a wrong God.

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He's so patient.

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The only thing he said, I will help you to go to America.

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That's all he said.

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Wow.

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That says a lot about him.

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You know, it's like, wow.

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Out of all those things, he looked

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at what the next step was because he's so patient.

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You know, Bible said, I think Bible said,

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his patience means salvation.

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He's so patient with us.

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And even he eagerly waits.

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Sometimes we think, oh, I'm waiting for him.

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We don't realize he's eagerly.

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Waiting is painful.

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He's eagerly waiting.

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It's like he's the maker of the universe.

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He could snap his finger and, you know,

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just things will happen, but he didn't do it.

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It's amazing.

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It's amazing.

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It's amazing.

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I will help you to go to America.

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That's all he said.

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And the next day I got my visa.

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Beautiful.

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Beautiful.

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And then the next encounter that you had really

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before you saw Jesus again was an encounter

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with Christians, right?

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Exactly.

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And then three years went past by when I was in America.

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I was 30 years old when I had the first encounter

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with Jesus.

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Then between 30 and 33, nothing happened.

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And toward the end of the three years in America,

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I was just about to turn 33, I met some Christians.

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And then that was an encounter because they loved me.

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They knew I was Muslim.

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They knew I was from Iran.

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This is the year 2000.

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And they all had this amazing smile,

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which really bothered me.

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I said, why do you keep smiling?

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Because I never could truly smile.

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I never had joy.

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I remember when I came to America,

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people say, they would say, have fun.

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And I really thought they're crazy.

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How can you have fun?

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The word fun didn't mean anything to me.

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The word joy didn't mean anything to me.

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Really, I didn't have like, what do you mean fun?

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What do you mean joy?

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Life is all pain.

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Life is all agony.

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Life is just grow up in the Middle East,

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go through the war and poverty

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and no connection with God.

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It's all darkness.

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I'm alone here in this planet

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and just like, what do you mean have fun?

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And I thought, oh, these are American.

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And I would look at their car

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because you compare the car here, cars,

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to cars in the Middle East.

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It's like everybody, they drive like a king.

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In the Middle East, you know,

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it's really hard to find a good car

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and then you have to pay cash for it.

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Anyway, I was looking at their car.

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I said, oh, look at their cars.

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Look at their houses.

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They're wealthy.

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That's why they are happy.

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That's why they are smiling.

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Oh, wow.

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That was my mentality those days.

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Wow, because he didn't know better.

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I didn't know better, no.

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And for me, if you look at it from God's eyes even,

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you know, he's looking at someone

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that grew up in the Middle East,

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was introduced to Allah,

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he inherited the religion.

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He's trying to be a good person.

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He's trying to please Allah.

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He goes through war.

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Most of his friends, they die.

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And then years and years and years,

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for whatever reason, I don't know,

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he's searching for God and he cannot find him.

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Yeah.

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You know, I don't think the Lord would judge me.

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It's like, I did want to know the true God.

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Yeah.

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I'm not comparing people like us to Paul,

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but look at Paul.

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Yeah.

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He kept the law.

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He said he was the Pharisee of Pharisees,

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meaning not a bad person.

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I think he was saying like he kept the law

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because law was given to them before Jesus.

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It was the law.

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Yeah.

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And he kept it.

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Yeah.

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I don't think God would judge him.

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It's like, he's like, Moses told us to do this

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and we tried to do and then comes Christ, you know,

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that's a different story.

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But for me, before I met Jesus, I tried to do my best.

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I don't think the Lord looks at my first 33 years of life

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and say, oh, that was so bad.

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I'm ashamed of you.

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You know, no, that's the way I see it.

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He judges our hearts.

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Yes, exactly.

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He judges our motives.

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You wanted to know God.

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And I wanted to know God.

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I just like, even when we say judge,

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we think that as a human, we think, oh, he's a judge.

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He judges.

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Like you said, he looks at our heart

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to see the condition of the heart,

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but he used everything to get this heart ready

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for the seed of Christ one day.

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Like if you're a good gardener, if you're a good farmer,

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you tilt the ground first.

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You make sure the ground is ready.

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Sometimes it's a rocky ground.

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To me, this land was that rock.

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It's a rocky ground.

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To smash that rock to pieces and to get the rocks out

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and to get the soil, tilt the soil.

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To me, the Lord used Islamic regime in Iran

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to tilt the soul of that country.

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That's why they're receiving Christ now

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because they are so disappointed of the regime

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and Islam and Islamic law and everything.

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I call Khomeini John the Baptist.

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He prepared, really, he unknowingly,

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he prepared the way for the Lord to come.

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Yeah, because there were very few Christians

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before the regime took over.

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100,000, about 90 to 100,000 Armenian Christian

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which by birth.

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And now it's like, some say minimum of three,

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some say you can go all the way to seven million

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because it's all underground.

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I talked to most of my family member

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and most of my friend.

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They're all believers, but they're secret believers.

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There is no way you could count them,

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but it's all over that country.

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And most of them is through encounter.

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Wow.

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Well, we've been praying for that.

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We've been praying for that for 30, 40 years.

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Many people, many people.

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So, God is answering our prayers.

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That's part of contending for the outpouring.

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There's an outpouring of the Holy Spirit in Iran.

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Exactly.

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See, love is patient.

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Oh, I love that.

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Yes.

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Love is patient, love is kind.

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That means change the word love and put God,

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which is God is love.

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God is patient.

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Sometimes we think, oh, God doesn't need to be patient.

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He can just get things done.

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Look how patient he has been, even toward Israel

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and toward us.

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It's like his work is always the way I see it,

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is multi-generational.

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Three or four generations, like you said,

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so many people, they prayed for Muslim nations

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and prayed for Iran, including you guys.

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And sometimes it takes 20, 30, 40 years to see,

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but in most cases, a person cannot see the fruit

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when they go to heaven, they will see the fruit.

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And it normally takes three or four generation,

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but we should just always be encouraged and move forward

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and keep praying and never get disappointed.

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I'm sure so many believers all around the world,

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they are praying for Israel to see Christ.

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Sure.

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Bible said, if their rejection gave us Christ,

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what would their acceptance would do?

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Right, resurrection.

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Yeah, and the Lord is so patient, and we should be patient.

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Never stop praying for Israel,

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never stop praying for the Muslim nation,

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regardless of what we see on TV.

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Right.

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Because it's discouraging to see what's happening.

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Yeah.

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The thing that's been in my heart just, especially recently,

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it's really been come into focus,

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is the importance of praying

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out of our father's heart of love for people.

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That the people who are practicing Islam,

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the Muslim people, as you said to us

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before we started recording, there's no love in Islam,

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but the Muslim people love.

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Exactly.

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And our father is in his heart of love,

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he wants to help the Muslims escape from this deception,

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because that's what Islam is, it's an absolute deception.

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Not Muslims, that's what we talked about in the beginning.

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I want our listeners to really see this truth

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and open their heart that Islam is a religion

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that was inherited, but Muslims are a group of people.

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When we say Islam, the religion, is very deceptive,

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that doesn't mean Muslims are, but Islam, the religion, is.

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Because it's not from our father in heaven.

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That's right.

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Because it demands sacrifice.

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But our father in heaven didn't demand sacrifice,

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he said, the only acceptable sacrifice is my son,

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and I'm gonna give it to you.

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Not because you're a good person,

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but because you're a sinner.

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And because I love you.

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Because I love you.

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And out of that, because I wanna have relationship

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with you forever, it's so amazing when we were Muslims,

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once a year at least, you just get some lamb or sheep,

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and you sacrifice it, and you eat little bit of the meat,

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but you give most of the meat to the poor and the needy,

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and you always knew that's acceptable sacrifice.

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Didn't realize that it's Christ himself.

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Sure.

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Yeah, it's Christ himself.

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And those people, they don't know.

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He gives us illustrations no matter where we are.

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He will give us something to look at that expresses himself,

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even if it's within Islam.

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Yes.

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Because he loves us.

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Thank you.

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And my heart is that we don't get angry about Muslims.

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We can get angry at Islam because it's hurting the Muslims.

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Yes.

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We can get angry at the one who inspired Islam,

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and I'm not talking about the man,

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I'm talking about the spirit.

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The spirit.

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But as we pray, we don't pray out of anger,

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but we pray out of the love of God.

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Absolutely.

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For the captives to be set free.

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Exactly.

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And never get caught up in the politic of two countries,

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like Israel and Hamas, the way I see it.

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Like you said, the father sees both people,

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and this is not us saying they need to stop

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or they need to keep going.

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We don't have that discussion.

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That's for politicians.

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We are saying that the way I see it,

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Israel, God picked them,

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there is still the apple of his eyes,

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go argue with God and say, why did you pick them?

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You know, he picked them.

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And we are the fruit of what he picked.

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And look at us as a Christian, do you think we're perfect?

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Look how dysfunction we are, and still we know God loves us

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because once he picks you, he picks you.

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That's fun as far as the Israel goes.

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Then he goes to Muslim people, and he told Abraham,

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through you, all nations will be blessed.

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Yes.

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All nations, meaning the Muslim and the Buddhist

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and everybody.

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The heart he has for Israel, he has it for other people too.

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But to me, Israel, the way I see it, is the firstborn,

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is the first nation he picked.

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That's the way Cameron sees it.

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I'm not saying this is biblical.

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When I gave my heart to the Lord,

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the love that came to me for the nation of Israel,

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every time I see, especially the one

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that they are not saved yet,

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the amount of love I have, it's so huge.

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I don't even have that love for my own nation, Iranian.

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It just came to me supernaturally for the Jewish people.

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Wow.

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You know, it's huge.

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We went to Israel last year, Suzy and I, we were there,

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and we left October 1st, like four or five days.

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Yeah, we went to South Africa.

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Yeah, we were there.

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And then I would talk to all these Jews and the Orthodox Jews

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and then all the young people and the store owner.

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They couldn't believe how much love I had for them.

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Being Iranian, their eyes got so big,

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but it was so supernatural.

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And the Lord gave it to me the moment I got saved.

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He gave it to me for them.

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I love them very much, very much.

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Deeply, I love them deeply.

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And like you said, the Lord has heart for them, of course,

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and he has heart for Muslim people.

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Yes, he does.

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Now, let me ask you a question.

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When you were a Muslim, how did you feel toward the Jews?

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I did not feel good toward them at all

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because of what I heard in the school

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and what I heard from the government.

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Oh, they took over, they bought all those land for cheap,

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and they invaded the Palestinian.

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And every time we would look at the news,

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there was one video that showed that this Israeli soldier

491
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was breaking the arm of a Palestinian with the rock.

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And we always had that picture,

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that these are like really horrible people.

494
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And yeah, yeah, even in Koran, I don't remember,

495
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but it didn't really talk good about the Jewish people

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and then how they walked with Moses.

497
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We were in our Islamic class in our school,

498
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they were telling us that they hurt Moses so bad.

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Moses was always angry at them.

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This is a nation that they are not good people at all.

501
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You know?

502
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And then I came to America, and when I got saved,

503
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I said, oops, my Jesus is Jewish.

504
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You know?

505
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Yeah.

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My Jesus is Jewish.

507
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And then immediately this humongous love came to my heart.

508
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Then I realized, of course,

509
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Islam came about 600 something years after Christianity.

510
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And all the stories we heard about the Moses

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and Abraham and everything,

512
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they were all the crooked version,

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a twisted version of the real story.

514
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Right.

515
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You know?

516
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And then the Lord always told me, he said, never look back.

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Think about where you came out of.

518
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Always look forward and look at me.

519
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Beautiful.

520
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,560
And he didn't allow me even to ponder

521
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about what part of Quran was wrong.

522
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How can I argue with people?

523
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,840
He said, always tell people who I am to you.

524
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You don't have to look back.

525
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:54,400
Beautiful.

526
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,440
And it was a humongous discovery.

527
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Again, I'm not comparing myself or anyone like me to Paul,

528
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but look what happened to Paul.

529
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Yeah.

530
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You know, he got hit, and then the Lord opened his eyes

531
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and the revelation that came out of him

532
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is like out of the darkness, he came to this amazing light.

533
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,000
You know, the Lord recently, after we came back from Israel,

534
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I heard the father, almost audible, and it was so strong.

535
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:22,840
This is what he said.

536
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Maybe the listeners, they could pray the same prayer

537
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:30,680
because father said, ask me to break the spirit of Allah

538
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,080
and charm of Buddha.

539
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:34,960
And I'm like, what?

540
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:35,800
What, what?

541
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,160
What did he say?

542
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,080
Because the spirit of Allah is bigger than Islam.

543
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:44,120
It was the spirit of Allah that created that religion.

544
00:22:44,120 --> 00:22:44,960
Right.

545
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,160
He said, ask me to break the spirit of Allah

546
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:49,920
and charm of Buddha.

547
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,720
And then we have this neighbor here.

548
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:52,680
He's amazing.

549
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,000
He's a revelation or person is like,

550
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,040
he's genius in revelation.

551
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,360
He said, Cameron, you know what is the spirit of Allah

552
00:23:00,360 --> 00:23:01,440
and charm of Buddha?

553
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:02,680
I said, no.

554
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,320
He said, it's a false lion and a false lamb.

555
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:06,160
Wow.

556
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,040
Allah, Allah is a false lion and Buddha is a false lamb.

557
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:10,880
Wow.

558
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,840
See, Satan had to create something, a lion and a lamb.

559
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:19,240
Islam is like that, like the picture of a lion.

560
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,840
And then Buddha is just the picture of this lamb.

561
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:23,880
And it's so interesting.

562
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,840
The Lord said, ask me to break the spirit of Allah

563
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,280
and charm of Buddha.

564
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:30,120
Wow.

565
00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:30,960
Isn't that amazing?

566
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,160
It just came out of nowhere and it rhymed too.

567
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:34,960
And I'm like, huh?

568
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,360
And I've been asking him here and there

569
00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:38,520
and he's gonna break it.

570
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,640
He's gonna break those two spirits.

571
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,800
Would you just take a moment right now on this podcast

572
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,400
and just ask that and we'll agree with you?

573
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:47,280
Yes.

574
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:52,040
Father, you asked me, you said, ask me.

575
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:53,440
That means your children,

576
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,920
the one that they're listening now,

577
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,300
they have your ear.

578
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,620
You said, ask me.

579
00:24:00,620 --> 00:24:05,480
Now we are asking you to break the spirit of Allah

580
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,880
and charm of Buddha both.

581
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,120
Yes.

582
00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:11,840
Charm of Buddha.

583
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:12,960
Yes, Father.

584
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:13,920
Thank you, Father.

585
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,720
Thank you that you will do that.

586
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,480
If you look at the news, now the younger generation,

587
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,800
they are not toward Buddha, it's almost like that way.

588
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,640
Everything is okay, everything is fine.

589
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,200
Humanity, love, socialism, everything.

590
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:35,200
It's like almost that spirit that came as a spirit of Buddha

591
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,520
is changing its shape and just coming.

592
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,240
Always peace, but there is no peace in that spirit.

593
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,960
Do whatever you want to do.

594
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,660
And then, anyway, I don't wanna get into that,

595
00:24:48,660 --> 00:24:52,680
but the Lord simply said, ask me to break those spirits.

596
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,140
And we could ask him because it's those spirits

597
00:24:55,140 --> 00:24:59,320
that they're binding nations and working

598
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,040
in the heart of so many generations.

599
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,240
But again, I'm not every day asking him,

600
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,880
every day I'm just looking at him and I love my God,

601
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,300
I love my Lord.

602
00:25:11,300 --> 00:25:15,540
My focus is love, loving him and being loved by him.

603
00:25:15,540 --> 00:25:17,880
But here and there, I ask.

604
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,600
Here and there when he reminds me, I ask those things

605
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,720
because I don't want anybody to get caught up

606
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,960
with this even prayer and keep focusing in those things.

607
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,980
That's not healthy also.

608
00:25:28,980 --> 00:25:32,360
Focusing in the darkness, just be focused

609
00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:34,080
in our father in heaven.

610
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,000
And like you said in the beginning,

611
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,440
we start, Moses said, show me your ways.

612
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,440
I think we could say now, show me your heart

613
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,960
because we are after thousands of years.

614
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,760
He started by his ways, but we can say, show me your heart.

615
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,640
Like you said, show me your heart.

616
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,040
For the group of people we call Muslims.

617
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,600
Show me your heart for Iranians,

618
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,240
show me your heart for Palestinian

619
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,120
before getting into politic.

620
00:25:59,120 --> 00:25:59,960
Amen.

621
00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:01,440
But heart for the person.

622
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:02,920
Yes, yes.

623
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,000
Because that's how he got you.

624
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,080
He got you by the heart.

625
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,640
He got me by the heart, exactly.

626
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,240
Got me by the heart.

627
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:12,760
So beautiful.

628
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,040
Now, when we were talking before we started recording,

629
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:20,520
you mentioned something about the number of people

630
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,940
in Iran that are for the current regime

631
00:26:23,940 --> 00:26:28,460
and the number that are not for the current regime.

632
00:26:28,460 --> 00:26:31,460
Iran has about 80 million population.

633
00:26:31,460 --> 00:26:34,340
The population is about 80 million.

634
00:26:34,340 --> 00:26:38,780
90% of the 80 million, they are not with the regime.

635
00:26:38,780 --> 00:26:42,660
10%, they're absolutely with the regime.

636
00:26:42,660 --> 00:26:43,860
Wow.

637
00:26:43,860 --> 00:26:46,260
As far as my experience goes

638
00:26:46,260 --> 00:26:50,380
and my connection to people in Iran, 10%,

639
00:26:50,380 --> 00:26:51,900
even if you go in the street,

640
00:26:51,900 --> 00:26:55,060
what you see on the news is the 10%.

641
00:26:56,460 --> 00:27:00,380
Death to America, death to Israel, all those riots.

642
00:27:00,380 --> 00:27:03,380
You can even see them by their beard

643
00:27:03,380 --> 00:27:05,740
and the way they look, their eyes.

644
00:27:05,740 --> 00:27:09,780
I encourage people just to go to Google or YouTube.

645
00:27:09,780 --> 00:27:14,580
Just put the young people of Iran or just put Tehran

646
00:27:14,580 --> 00:27:17,020
and what you see, you will be amazed.

647
00:27:17,020 --> 00:27:19,860
You would never see those people in any riot

648
00:27:19,860 --> 00:27:22,780
because the way they dress, the way they look

649
00:27:22,780 --> 00:27:23,660
is so different.

650
00:27:23,660 --> 00:27:27,340
You would never see any of those people in the riot.

651
00:27:27,340 --> 00:27:31,420
It's just only 10% that they have been deceived.

652
00:27:31,420 --> 00:27:35,620
I'm not saying evil, they're evil, but the 10%,

653
00:27:35,620 --> 00:27:36,940
almost like Pharisees.

654
00:27:37,860 --> 00:27:38,700
Sure.

655
00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:39,540
Almost like Pharisees.

656
00:27:39,540 --> 00:27:42,420
But if God can get ahold of Paul, Saul of Tarsus,

657
00:27:42,420 --> 00:27:45,060
who was a Pharisee of the Pharisees,

658
00:27:45,060 --> 00:27:47,820
there is hope for some of these that are in the regime.

659
00:27:47,820 --> 00:27:51,060
There are those, I've heard testimonies of people

660
00:27:51,060 --> 00:27:53,460
that were in the Iranian Revolutionary Guard

661
00:27:53,460 --> 00:27:54,700
and God got ahold of them.

662
00:27:54,700 --> 00:27:55,540
Jesus met them.

663
00:27:55,540 --> 00:27:56,380
He got ahold of them.

664
00:27:56,380 --> 00:27:57,940
Yes, because- And their lives are changed.

665
00:27:57,940 --> 00:28:00,700
Yeah, when the Lord shows up, what are you gonna say?

666
00:28:00,700 --> 00:28:01,540
Right.

667
00:28:01,540 --> 00:28:04,140
You cannot help it, but get on your knees.

668
00:28:04,140 --> 00:28:05,460
Yeah. You cannot help it.

669
00:28:05,460 --> 00:28:06,620
Yeah.

670
00:28:06,620 --> 00:28:09,460
So we need to have even a heart of compassion

671
00:28:09,460 --> 00:28:11,860
for the ones that are the 10%.

672
00:28:11,860 --> 00:28:12,700
Yeah.

673
00:28:12,700 --> 00:28:16,100
Which is very hard to have a heart of compassion, but yes.

674
00:28:16,100 --> 00:28:17,740
Well, our father has a heart of compassion.

675
00:28:17,740 --> 00:28:19,700
That's why I'm asking for his heart.

676
00:28:19,700 --> 00:28:21,260
Exactly.

677
00:28:21,260 --> 00:28:22,300
Exactly.

678
00:28:22,300 --> 00:28:25,860
Yes, we have his heart and then we have all we need.

679
00:28:25,860 --> 00:28:27,580
Yeah, it's true.

680
00:28:27,580 --> 00:28:28,420
It's true.

681
00:28:28,420 --> 00:28:33,420
So what about the biblical and historic connection

682
00:28:33,540 --> 00:28:34,940
between Iran and Israel?

683
00:28:34,940 --> 00:28:37,260
Mm, that's a great question.

684
00:28:38,140 --> 00:28:41,300
Suzy has way more information than I do

685
00:28:41,300 --> 00:28:43,060
because she was so interested. That's your wife.

686
00:28:43,060 --> 00:28:44,340
Yes, Suzy, my wife.

687
00:28:44,340 --> 00:28:45,740
She studied.

688
00:28:45,740 --> 00:28:50,740
But it's very clear, Iran for thousands of years

689
00:28:51,860 --> 00:28:55,220
was friend of Israel, also throughout the Bible.

690
00:28:56,580 --> 00:28:58,020
It was always friend of Israel.

691
00:28:58,020 --> 00:29:01,660
Even the Shah of Iran, which is the King of Iran,

692
00:29:01,660 --> 00:29:04,780
he was replaced by Khomeini in 1978.

693
00:29:06,100 --> 00:29:08,700
He was a friend, an ally of Israel,

694
00:29:08,700 --> 00:29:13,500
meaning the history of Iran was always great with Israel

695
00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:17,620
and the history changed for the first time 44 years ago

696
00:29:17,620 --> 00:29:20,180
when Islamic regime took over.

697
00:29:20,180 --> 00:29:24,700
And they hated because the spirit of Islam hates, hates,

698
00:29:24,700 --> 00:29:26,260
hates Israel.

699
00:29:26,260 --> 00:29:27,380
Yeah.

700
00:29:27,380 --> 00:29:29,780
And the Islamic regime took over

701
00:29:29,780 --> 00:29:34,620
and this hatred has its root in Iran for 44 years.

702
00:29:34,620 --> 00:29:37,860
However, the Lord, I don't think he sees that.

703
00:29:37,860 --> 00:29:40,780
He sees the history of that country,

704
00:29:40,780 --> 00:29:43,980
how much they blessed the nation of Israel for thousands

705
00:29:43,980 --> 00:29:44,940
of years.

706
00:29:44,940 --> 00:29:48,140
That's why I believe Iran is the very first country

707
00:29:48,140 --> 00:29:53,060
in the Middle East that has this amazing massive movement

708
00:29:53,060 --> 00:29:56,300
of the Lord Jesus Christ showing up to them.

709
00:29:56,300 --> 00:30:01,300
Because when Khomeini came and took over in 1978,

710
00:30:01,580 --> 00:30:03,940
Christian population was about,

711
00:30:03,940 --> 00:30:07,780
I heard about 90 to a hundred thousand Armenian.

712
00:30:07,780 --> 00:30:09,860
They were not converted.

713
00:30:09,860 --> 00:30:12,420
They were Armenian Christian living in Iran.

714
00:30:12,420 --> 00:30:14,180
Yeah, so they were born Christians.

715
00:30:14,180 --> 00:30:15,140
They were born Christian.

716
00:30:15,140 --> 00:30:18,420
That doesn't mean they were, really they met Jesus.

717
00:30:18,420 --> 00:30:21,420
They inherited Christianity, right?

718
00:30:21,420 --> 00:30:22,260
Yeah.

719
00:30:22,260 --> 00:30:23,900
Some of them, I'm sure they knew Jesus,

720
00:30:23,900 --> 00:30:26,700
but you know, you inherit Christianity.

721
00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:30,060
Like a lot of people in America, they inherited Christianity.

722
00:30:30,060 --> 00:30:33,580
That doesn't mean completely they met Christ.

723
00:30:33,580 --> 00:30:37,220
And then now in less than 44 years,

724
00:30:37,220 --> 00:30:40,780
the population of Christianity underground church grew

725
00:30:40,780 --> 00:30:44,140
minimum of three million to some people say seven million.

726
00:30:44,140 --> 00:30:44,980
Wow.

727
00:30:44,980 --> 00:30:45,820
Wow.

728
00:30:45,820 --> 00:30:47,100
From 90,000.

729
00:30:47,100 --> 00:30:50,780
And I believe that has its root in Iran

730
00:30:50,780 --> 00:30:53,100
blessing Israel all those years.

731
00:30:53,100 --> 00:30:55,140
Oh yeah, because?

732
00:30:55,140 --> 00:30:56,460
Jesus is showing up to them

733
00:30:56,460 --> 00:30:58,780
because they always blessed Israel.

734
00:30:58,780 --> 00:30:59,820
Yeah.

735
00:30:59,820 --> 00:31:01,140
And if they bless Israel,

736
00:31:01,140 --> 00:31:03,940
what did the Lord promise to Abraham?

737
00:31:03,940 --> 00:31:05,140
I will bless those who bless you.

738
00:31:05,140 --> 00:31:06,340
I bless you.

739
00:31:06,340 --> 00:31:07,900
It's the same thing now.

740
00:31:07,900 --> 00:31:09,420
It's the same thing.

741
00:31:09,420 --> 00:31:11,940
That doesn't mean even, you know, some people say,

742
00:31:11,940 --> 00:31:13,860
okay, if I bless Israel now,

743
00:31:13,860 --> 00:31:15,980
then I have to curse the Palestinian.

744
00:31:15,980 --> 00:31:16,820
No.

745
00:31:16,820 --> 00:31:17,660
No.

746
00:31:17,660 --> 00:31:20,220
No, no, that's not what you do.

747
00:31:20,220 --> 00:31:21,140
You don't.

748
00:31:21,140 --> 00:31:21,980
Yeah.

749
00:31:21,980 --> 00:31:22,820
Not at all.

750
00:31:22,820 --> 00:31:24,860
We still bless Israel apart from the politic

751
00:31:24,860 --> 00:31:28,300
and the politician, we still that nation.

752
00:31:28,300 --> 00:31:29,660
The Lord loves that nation

753
00:31:29,660 --> 00:31:32,460
because the way I see it is the first nation.

754
00:31:32,460 --> 00:31:33,340
Sure.

755
00:31:33,340 --> 00:31:35,860
And to be honest, a lot of the Palestinians

756
00:31:35,860 --> 00:31:38,700
and a lot of the people of the Middle East

757
00:31:38,700 --> 00:31:42,940
all the way up into Afghanistan, into India, into Burma,

758
00:31:42,940 --> 00:31:46,980
a lot of them are the dispersed of Israel.

759
00:31:46,980 --> 00:31:47,820
Yes.

760
00:31:47,820 --> 00:31:50,740
And some were forced to become Muslims.

761
00:31:50,740 --> 00:31:52,300
You force the first generation

762
00:31:52,300 --> 00:31:54,420
and the second generation falls in line a little more.

763
00:31:54,420 --> 00:31:56,500
The third generation, you've got them.

764
00:31:56,500 --> 00:32:00,220
Iran, the whole country of Iran was forced to be a Muslim.

765
00:32:00,220 --> 00:32:01,340
Yeah.

766
00:32:01,340 --> 00:32:02,460
They were forced.

767
00:32:02,460 --> 00:32:03,300
Yeah.

768
00:32:03,300 --> 00:32:06,220
That's a kind of colonization.

769
00:32:06,220 --> 00:32:07,060
It is.

770
00:32:07,060 --> 00:32:11,700
So tell us what the Lord is saying to you these days

771
00:32:11,700 --> 00:32:16,380
because God is using you to send messages

772
00:32:16,380 --> 00:32:18,980
over the internet and over satellite.

773
00:32:18,980 --> 00:32:19,820
TV.

774
00:32:19,820 --> 00:32:20,660
TV.

775
00:32:20,660 --> 00:32:21,500
Satellite TV.

776
00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:23,820
Tell us a little bit about what you're doing.

777
00:32:23,820 --> 00:32:25,860
I just recorded four programs today.

778
00:32:25,860 --> 00:32:28,580
We have a studio very close to our house

779
00:32:28,580 --> 00:32:31,580
and it's a TV studio I record here.

780
00:32:31,580 --> 00:32:33,620
And it was a long journey to get here.

781
00:32:33,620 --> 00:32:36,220
I used to go to Dallas, Texas to record.

782
00:32:36,220 --> 00:32:41,220
There are three major satellite station, TV.

783
00:32:41,300 --> 00:32:44,020
In the Middle East, or even when you go to Middle East,

784
00:32:44,020 --> 00:32:47,820
you will see all those satellite dishes everywhere.

785
00:32:47,820 --> 00:32:48,660
Sure.

786
00:32:48,660 --> 00:32:51,100
And they don't have like, you know,

787
00:32:51,100 --> 00:32:52,900
dish network or whatever we have.

788
00:32:52,900 --> 00:32:54,700
If you buy the satellite,

789
00:32:54,700 --> 00:32:56,820
then you get all these free programs.

790
00:32:56,820 --> 00:32:57,660
Wow.

791
00:32:57,660 --> 00:32:59,100
And there are hundreds of channels

792
00:32:59,100 --> 00:33:04,100
that goes from the West to the East and to the Middle East.

793
00:33:04,860 --> 00:33:07,580
Three of those, huge one.

794
00:33:07,580 --> 00:33:11,860
One is Sat 7, another one is Channel 7, which is different.

795
00:33:11,860 --> 00:33:15,100
Another one is another channel called Mohebbat,

796
00:33:15,100 --> 00:33:15,940
which is love.

797
00:33:15,940 --> 00:33:19,780
There are three major 24 seven satellite station, TV,

798
00:33:19,780 --> 00:33:22,180
that goes to the homes of millions of people.

799
00:33:22,180 --> 00:33:23,140
Wow.

800
00:33:23,140 --> 00:33:27,580
In Farsi, 24 seven, no commercial, it's all Christianity.

801
00:33:27,580 --> 00:33:29,460
Wow, and Farsi is the language of Iran.

802
00:33:29,460 --> 00:33:31,460
And Farsi is the language, yeah.

803
00:33:31,460 --> 00:33:34,940
Yes, it goes there, it goes to Afghanistan also.

804
00:33:34,940 --> 00:33:37,340
It goes to Europe, if anybody in Europe,

805
00:33:37,340 --> 00:33:40,860
they are Persian, you know, even to North Africa.

806
00:33:40,860 --> 00:33:43,700
And the Lord graciously opened the door.

807
00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:46,660
Susie and I, we are in all three of those satellite.

808
00:33:46,660 --> 00:33:48,100
Glory to God.

809
00:33:48,100 --> 00:33:51,980
Yeah, as much as we create program and worship music,

810
00:33:51,980 --> 00:33:54,380
worship video, different programs.

811
00:33:54,380 --> 00:33:57,460
While I was talking to you today in the beginning,

812
00:33:57,460 --> 00:34:02,060
before we recorded, I just sent four program to Cypress,

813
00:34:02,060 --> 00:34:03,900
that I recorded today.

814
00:34:03,900 --> 00:34:06,180
And this is gonna be broadcast,

815
00:34:06,180 --> 00:34:09,220
and millions of people, they will watch it through TV.

816
00:34:09,220 --> 00:34:14,220
And for like last 11 years, I've been doing this.

817
00:34:14,420 --> 00:34:16,940
And the whole 11 years is the same thing.

818
00:34:16,940 --> 00:34:21,780
I really, the Lord, the Father allowed me to a degree,

819
00:34:21,780 --> 00:34:24,780
experience His heart.

820
00:34:24,780 --> 00:34:27,460
And I just talk about the Father's heart.

821
00:34:27,460 --> 00:34:30,540
And what I have seen, what I have heard,

822
00:34:30,540 --> 00:34:34,420
is not any kind of a systematic biblical teaching.

823
00:34:34,420 --> 00:34:36,060
It's me telling His stories.

824
00:34:36,060 --> 00:34:39,100
And of course I use Bible, but it's like,

825
00:34:39,100 --> 00:34:40,940
I'm like a storyteller.

826
00:34:40,940 --> 00:34:44,460
Sometimes I laugh so hard, sometimes I cry so hard.

827
00:34:44,460 --> 00:34:48,780
And I think sometimes my honesty may even maybe,

828
00:34:48,780 --> 00:34:52,380
hopefully break some religious stuff of people.

829
00:34:52,380 --> 00:34:56,020
Just I'm extremely honest when it comes to God.

830
00:34:56,020 --> 00:34:59,340
In my real life, I may not allow you to see a lot,

831
00:34:59,340 --> 00:35:03,500
but when I talk about God, I'm just extremely honest.

832
00:35:03,500 --> 00:35:06,980
I'm extremely honest about my shortcoming

833
00:35:06,980 --> 00:35:08,140
when it comes to God.

834
00:35:08,140 --> 00:35:11,380
I'm just, I think when you talk to Muslim people,

835
00:35:11,380 --> 00:35:13,740
kind of the Lord taught me to be this way,

836
00:35:13,740 --> 00:35:16,900
because they are coming out of one religion.

837
00:35:16,900 --> 00:35:19,020
You don't want to take them to another religion.

838
00:35:19,020 --> 00:35:23,060
You don't want to do that, you know?

839
00:35:23,060 --> 00:35:25,860
We don't want Christianity to be a religion.

840
00:35:25,860 --> 00:35:28,300
Exactly, it's a relationship.

841
00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:30,660
This living relationship with the Father

842
00:35:30,660 --> 00:35:32,580
and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

843
00:35:32,580 --> 00:35:36,340
as much as I have seen, I share.

844
00:35:36,340 --> 00:35:40,740
And it's been years and years of amazing experience

845
00:35:40,740 --> 00:35:43,420
of sharing the heart of the Father.

846
00:35:43,420 --> 00:35:46,020
It's like when the cameras start,

847
00:35:46,020 --> 00:35:49,700
it's like something comes over me.

848
00:35:49,700 --> 00:35:53,340
And I'm like, wow, I didn't see that before.

849
00:35:53,340 --> 00:35:54,780
Where did that come from?

850
00:35:56,180 --> 00:35:59,140
Hey, let me tell you this, speaking of being honest.

851
00:35:59,140 --> 00:36:02,260
You know, the Lord shares these things with you, of course.

852
00:36:02,260 --> 00:36:05,140
He gives you all these gifts, and after a while,

853
00:36:05,140 --> 00:36:08,820
you get puffed up like, wow, all these revelation

854
00:36:08,820 --> 00:36:11,860
that is coming out of me, whoa.

855
00:36:11,860 --> 00:36:14,820
And then you talk to people and you could hear the audience.

856
00:36:14,820 --> 00:36:17,260
Wow, okay.

857
00:36:18,220 --> 00:36:21,260
We started going to this church recently,

858
00:36:21,260 --> 00:36:23,140
like six months ago.

859
00:36:23,140 --> 00:36:24,340
They're close friends of ours,

860
00:36:24,340 --> 00:36:26,380
but it's a kind of a large-sized church,

861
00:36:26,380 --> 00:36:28,460
more than a thousand people.

862
00:36:28,460 --> 00:36:30,460
And we started going there, they're so happy.

863
00:36:30,460 --> 00:36:33,220
We've known each other for more than 20 years,

864
00:36:33,220 --> 00:36:35,420
and that's our home church now.

865
00:36:35,420 --> 00:36:38,180
And then pastor asked me, hey, Cameron,

866
00:36:38,180 --> 00:36:41,060
we have a group of people, it's a men's gathering.

867
00:36:41,060 --> 00:36:42,340
Would you share some?

868
00:36:42,340 --> 00:36:45,460
You know, we are getting all the businessmen from the city.

869
00:36:45,460 --> 00:36:47,180
We do this four times a year.

870
00:36:47,180 --> 00:36:49,620
Would you share some, like 15 minutes, your testimony,

871
00:36:49,620 --> 00:36:50,780
and then I could speak?

872
00:36:51,700 --> 00:36:53,380
Sure, of course, it's my testimony.

873
00:36:53,380 --> 00:36:55,260
I've shared it many times.

874
00:36:55,260 --> 00:37:00,260
I go there, I get the mic, something came over me.

875
00:37:01,380 --> 00:37:03,620
I could not open my mouth.

876
00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:08,100
I started blabbing, like really blabbing,

877
00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:10,660
and then my tongue got so parched,

878
00:37:10,660 --> 00:37:13,860
and I could hear it, it's like someone put the glue

879
00:37:13,860 --> 00:37:18,860
in my mouth, and I couldn't even get my testimony out.

880
00:37:19,740 --> 00:37:20,580
Oh my.

881
00:37:20,580 --> 00:37:23,980
I was standing there in front, and the pastor,

882
00:37:23,980 --> 00:37:25,860
you know, he was so proud for me to stand there

883
00:37:25,860 --> 00:37:29,220
because he was introducing me to church, nothing.

884
00:37:29,220 --> 00:37:31,460
And then I felt the Lord wants me to be honest.

885
00:37:31,460 --> 00:37:34,460
I said, guys, something is happening to me.

886
00:37:34,460 --> 00:37:36,820
Never happened to me before.

887
00:37:36,820 --> 00:37:38,260
I cannot say anything.

888
00:37:38,260 --> 00:37:40,100
I don't know what's happening to me,

889
00:37:40,100 --> 00:37:42,140
but I'm not gonna panic.

890
00:37:42,140 --> 00:37:44,340
I know the Lord is so deep inside me.

891
00:37:44,340 --> 00:37:45,500
I cannot feel him.

892
00:37:45,500 --> 00:37:48,700
I feel like he just left, but I'm gonna allow you

893
00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:52,100
for 10 minutes to really see what's happening here with me.

894
00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:54,260
And I was so vulnerable.

895
00:37:54,260 --> 00:37:58,220
And then people came to me, and they really thanked me

896
00:37:58,220 --> 00:37:59,060
at the end.

897
00:37:59,060 --> 00:38:00,340
They said, that was so honest.

898
00:38:00,340 --> 00:38:03,660
But anyway, I was so suffering out there,

899
00:38:03,660 --> 00:38:07,300
and two things happened that night that I can see.

900
00:38:07,300 --> 00:38:11,300
I've been asking the Lord to release me from shame.

901
00:38:11,300 --> 00:38:13,860
I felt that night I was released from shame

902
00:38:13,860 --> 00:38:16,980
because I was put in a very shameful position,

903
00:38:16,980 --> 00:38:18,340
extreme shameful.

904
00:38:18,340 --> 00:38:22,780
And later on, he showed me I released you from shame, too.

905
00:38:22,780 --> 00:38:24,540
I felt he was showing me that like,

906
00:38:24,540 --> 00:38:27,460
it was good for you to know that it's me.

907
00:38:27,460 --> 00:38:31,340
If I do not give you, you're not gonna, yeah.

908
00:38:31,340 --> 00:38:35,020
That was in a very good, I don't wanna say stanking,

909
00:38:35,020 --> 00:38:39,180
but he did, he killed two birds with one stone that night.

910
00:38:39,180 --> 00:38:43,180
And it's like, anyway, he's so amazing.

911
00:38:43,180 --> 00:38:44,860
He's so incredible.

912
00:38:44,860 --> 00:38:48,780
But then after a month, I was again, I was asked,

913
00:38:49,900 --> 00:38:52,100
I just had my knee replaced.

914
00:38:52,100 --> 00:38:55,420
And two weeks after my knee replacement,

915
00:38:55,420 --> 00:38:58,460
they asked me long time ago, they put me in a Sunday morning

916
00:38:58,460 --> 00:39:02,580
and I went with my limping with my crotches.

917
00:39:02,580 --> 00:39:06,620
I went there in a state of weakness.

918
00:39:06,620 --> 00:39:10,340
But Lord Jesus, the anointing that came that day,

919
00:39:11,300 --> 00:39:14,460
anointing, it was out of this world.

920
00:39:14,460 --> 00:39:18,620
Same people saw me, could not talk.

921
00:39:18,620 --> 00:39:21,540
And then this anointing, that is our father.

922
00:39:21,540 --> 00:39:23,860
And when I'm on the TV in the Middle East,

923
00:39:23,860 --> 00:39:25,540
that's what I share.

924
00:39:25,540 --> 00:39:30,060
The deep, deep honesty and the walking with this God,

925
00:39:30,060 --> 00:39:32,420
you never know what's gonna happen.

926
00:39:32,420 --> 00:39:33,740
It's true.

927
00:39:33,740 --> 00:39:34,580
It's true.

928
00:39:34,580 --> 00:39:35,660
You never know.

929
00:39:35,660 --> 00:39:38,060
So what kind of feedback do you get?

930
00:39:38,060 --> 00:39:40,780
People cannot really call back,

931
00:39:40,780 --> 00:39:44,540
but whenever they call the TV stations,

932
00:39:44,540 --> 00:39:47,100
the government, they hear all the call.

933
00:39:47,100 --> 00:39:51,540
But maybe out of 100 or maybe out of 1,000 people call.

934
00:39:51,540 --> 00:39:54,220
My brother, when he was in Iran,

935
00:39:54,220 --> 00:39:57,100
he called me, we were talking and he got arrested.

936
00:39:57,100 --> 00:39:57,940
Oh my.

937
00:39:57,940 --> 00:39:59,100
Heyman, the one that you met him.

938
00:39:59,100 --> 00:39:59,940
Yeah.

939
00:39:59,940 --> 00:40:00,780
He came, yeah.

940
00:40:00,780 --> 00:40:04,340
But because of that, people are so afraid.

941
00:40:04,340 --> 00:40:09,340
But we still, the TV station gets a lot of calls and emails.

942
00:40:09,660 --> 00:40:11,220
People are meeting God.

943
00:40:11,220 --> 00:40:14,420
People are meeting God and it's amazing what's happening.

944
00:40:14,420 --> 00:40:15,700
Glory to God.

945
00:40:15,700 --> 00:40:19,060
So you're just sharing the love of the father.

946
00:40:19,060 --> 00:40:21,020
I just share the love of the father

947
00:40:21,020 --> 00:40:23,940
with extreme honesty and vulnerability.

948
00:40:23,940 --> 00:40:24,780
Wow.

949
00:40:24,780 --> 00:40:28,180
Because there's no father in Islam.

950
00:40:28,180 --> 00:40:29,700
Not really, no.

951
00:40:29,700 --> 00:40:31,620
There's a creator God.

952
00:40:31,620 --> 00:40:35,100
And I really think that the actual creator is listening

953
00:40:35,100 --> 00:40:38,220
when they're addressing their prayers to the creator.

954
00:40:38,220 --> 00:40:39,060
Yeah.

955
00:40:39,060 --> 00:40:40,060
They're using the wrong name,

956
00:40:40,060 --> 00:40:43,940
but when they're talking from their hearts

957
00:40:43,940 --> 00:40:46,180
to the creator, he is listening

958
00:40:46,180 --> 00:40:50,380
and he's gonna answer in a way that they don't expect,

959
00:40:50,380 --> 00:40:51,220
I think that.

960
00:40:51,220 --> 00:40:52,060
Exactly.

961
00:40:52,060 --> 00:40:55,780
Because you didn't find like you were getting any answers

962
00:40:55,780 --> 00:40:57,580
from Allah, were you?

963
00:40:57,580 --> 00:40:58,980
No.

964
00:40:58,980 --> 00:41:01,500
I could always feel God is looking at me

965
00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:04,300
even from a young age, but now when I look back,

966
00:41:04,300 --> 00:41:07,340
it was our father looking at me and I could feel it.

967
00:41:07,340 --> 00:41:08,180
Yeah.

968
00:41:08,180 --> 00:41:11,220
He was looking at me and he was protecting me.

969
00:41:11,220 --> 00:41:13,900
It was our father that was protecting me.

970
00:41:13,900 --> 00:41:15,380
Yes.

971
00:41:15,380 --> 00:41:19,180
But you didn't have any idea that he was father, right?

972
00:41:19,180 --> 00:41:20,900
No, no, not at all.

973
00:41:20,900 --> 00:41:22,420
There's no inclination like that.

974
00:41:22,420 --> 00:41:23,260
There's no teaching like that.

975
00:41:23,260 --> 00:41:24,620
No, no, no, it was protection.

976
00:41:24,620 --> 00:41:25,460
It wasn't love.

977
00:41:25,460 --> 00:41:27,700
It was, I could feel some protection.

978
00:41:27,700 --> 00:41:28,540
Wow.

979
00:41:28,540 --> 00:41:31,060
There's no concept of love at all.

980
00:41:31,060 --> 00:41:31,900
Like God is love.

981
00:41:31,900 --> 00:41:33,420
Well, what do you mean God is love?

982
00:41:33,420 --> 00:41:34,260
Yeah.

983
00:41:34,260 --> 00:41:35,100
God is God.

984
00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:38,020
You know, here people say God is good.

985
00:41:38,020 --> 00:41:39,660
And I'm like, what do you mean God is good?

986
00:41:39,660 --> 00:41:42,740
We are just bringing him down to the level of human goodness.

987
00:41:42,740 --> 00:41:46,940
Was he good to Peter when he was crucified upside down?

988
00:41:46,940 --> 00:41:49,580
Was he good to Paul when his head was chopped out

989
00:41:49,580 --> 00:41:50,820
after all those years?

990
00:41:50,820 --> 00:41:53,220
Was he good to Moses after 40 years,

991
00:41:53,220 --> 00:41:55,260
not allowing him to go to promised land?

992
00:41:55,260 --> 00:41:57,860
Do you want me to go on and on and on?

993
00:41:57,860 --> 00:41:59,380
God is good.

994
00:41:59,380 --> 00:42:00,700
Let God be God.

995
00:42:00,700 --> 00:42:01,860
God is God.

996
00:42:01,860 --> 00:42:02,700
Wow.

997
00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:03,540
God is God.

998
00:42:03,540 --> 00:42:04,700
That's a good perspective.

999
00:42:04,700 --> 00:42:06,300
God is God.

1000
00:42:06,300 --> 00:42:08,460
Because what is my goodness and your goodness?

1001
00:42:08,460 --> 00:42:11,540
Our perspective is so small of goodness.

1002
00:42:11,540 --> 00:42:12,500
Yes.

1003
00:42:12,500 --> 00:42:14,340
Was he good to his own son?

1004
00:42:14,340 --> 00:42:16,940
Not to answer his prayer on the cross,

1005
00:42:16,940 --> 00:42:18,740
father remove the scuff?

1006
00:42:18,740 --> 00:42:20,620
Was he good to his son?

1007
00:42:20,620 --> 00:42:21,820
God is God.

1008
00:42:21,820 --> 00:42:24,940
Just allow him to be himself.

1009
00:42:24,940 --> 00:42:25,860
Allow him to be.

1010
00:42:25,860 --> 00:42:29,140
I remember I shared part of that when Sister Gwen was there.

1011
00:42:29,140 --> 00:42:31,020
I always remember.

1012
00:42:31,020 --> 00:42:32,500
I shared that part too.

1013
00:42:32,500 --> 00:42:35,780
It's hard for me because I want him to be good to me

1014
00:42:35,780 --> 00:42:37,380
in a human way.

1015
00:42:37,380 --> 00:42:38,220
Good to me.

1016
00:42:38,220 --> 00:42:39,060
Yeah.

1017
00:42:39,060 --> 00:42:40,140
Was he good to Mother Teresa?

1018
00:42:40,140 --> 00:42:43,820
Mother Teresa had some kind of a union with God

1019
00:42:43,820 --> 00:42:45,780
before she really answered the call

1020
00:42:45,780 --> 00:42:47,780
to go to the poorest of the poor.

1021
00:42:47,780 --> 00:42:52,140
When she started her ministry, all of it was gone.

1022
00:42:52,140 --> 00:42:53,020
All of it.

1023
00:42:53,020 --> 00:42:54,700
All she had was darkness.

1024
00:42:54,700 --> 00:42:57,700
She got to a place that she even said,

1025
00:42:57,700 --> 00:43:00,100
I don't think there is any heaven anymore.

1026
00:43:00,100 --> 00:43:00,940
Oh my.

1027
00:43:00,940 --> 00:43:01,780
Yeah.

1028
00:43:01,780 --> 00:43:03,220
But because she was a Catholic,

1029
00:43:03,220 --> 00:43:06,340
she has to write her confession to her superior.

1030
00:43:06,340 --> 00:43:07,420
Uh-huh.

1031
00:43:07,420 --> 00:43:10,940
And those letters became a book later on.

1032
00:43:10,940 --> 00:43:14,860
And the Catholic Church believes that she,

1033
00:43:14,860 --> 00:43:17,420
the Lord, her ministry was to really feel

1034
00:43:17,420 --> 00:43:21,540
what the Lord felt in the Garden of Gethsemane.

1035
00:43:21,540 --> 00:43:23,340
She would say the first of Christ.

1036
00:43:23,340 --> 00:43:26,820
Anyway, it's a mystery, but is God good?

1037
00:43:26,820 --> 00:43:28,100
He gives you a calling.

1038
00:43:28,100 --> 00:43:32,340
You have union with God, and all of a sudden it's all gone.

1039
00:43:32,340 --> 00:43:34,020
It's the mystery.

1040
00:43:34,020 --> 00:43:36,620
It's the mystery, you know?

1041
00:43:36,620 --> 00:43:38,780
Yeah, it is a mystery.

1042
00:43:38,780 --> 00:43:39,900
A mystery.

1043
00:43:39,900 --> 00:43:43,820
To be comfortable with this mysterious Christ.

1044
00:43:43,820 --> 00:43:46,060
You remember in a beginning,

1045
00:43:46,060 --> 00:43:47,380
he would answer all the prayer.

1046
00:43:47,380 --> 00:43:48,220
He was there.

1047
00:43:48,220 --> 00:43:49,220
It was honeymoon.

1048
00:43:49,220 --> 00:43:52,060
And all of a sudden he's like, where did you go?

1049
00:43:52,060 --> 00:43:52,900
Yeah.

1050
00:43:52,900 --> 00:43:54,860
What happened?

1051
00:43:54,860 --> 00:43:56,540
I used to pray.

1052
00:43:56,540 --> 00:43:58,860
I promise you, when I gave my heart to the Lord,

1053
00:43:58,860 --> 00:44:00,220
I would go outside.

1054
00:44:00,220 --> 00:44:02,820
I could move the cloud with my hands.

1055
00:44:02,820 --> 00:44:03,660
Wow.

1056
00:44:03,660 --> 00:44:05,580
Really, I could.

1057
00:44:05,580 --> 00:44:07,980
But it's like, what happened to those things?

1058
00:44:07,980 --> 00:44:08,820
What?

1059
00:44:08,820 --> 00:44:10,140
Wow.

1060
00:44:10,140 --> 00:44:11,420
It's amazing.

1061
00:44:11,420 --> 00:44:12,260
It's amazing.

1062
00:44:12,260 --> 00:44:15,060
He's just a mysterious father.

1063
00:44:15,060 --> 00:44:18,380
And then I used to be able to access him through my feeling,

1064
00:44:18,380 --> 00:44:20,140
but now he's so deep inside me.

1065
00:44:20,140 --> 00:44:22,580
Most of the time I can't even access that.

1066
00:44:22,580 --> 00:44:24,060
And he told me, don't panic.

1067
00:44:24,060 --> 00:44:25,660
I'm going really deep.

1068
00:44:25,660 --> 00:44:29,260
I'm like, what are you doing?

1069
00:44:29,260 --> 00:44:30,940
He's hiding right down there.

1070
00:44:30,940 --> 00:44:32,940
Yeah, I'm trying to figure you out.

1071
00:44:32,940 --> 00:44:33,980
Can you just stop?

1072
00:44:33,980 --> 00:44:35,460
You're just like our technology.

1073
00:44:35,460 --> 00:44:37,820
Just keep changing in me.

1074
00:44:37,820 --> 00:44:39,820
Can we just get comfortable?

1075
00:44:39,820 --> 00:44:42,500
With me just?

1076
00:44:42,500 --> 00:44:45,300
But that is like, you know, he tells his disciple,

1077
00:44:45,300 --> 00:44:46,940
eat my flesh, drink my blood.

1078
00:44:46,940 --> 00:44:47,780
I mean, you're Jewish.

1079
00:44:47,780 --> 00:44:48,980
Are we cannibal?

1080
00:44:48,980 --> 00:44:49,820
You know?

1081
00:44:49,820 --> 00:44:53,700
And then he tells them, do you want to eat?

1082
00:44:53,700 --> 00:44:57,020
They're like, somehow what you say doesn't make sense.

1083
00:44:57,020 --> 00:44:59,940
We're Jewish, don't you know?

1084
00:44:59,940 --> 00:45:01,780
But we're in love.

1085
00:45:01,780 --> 00:45:03,700
What you say, there is so much life in it.

1086
00:45:03,700 --> 00:45:04,820
It doesn't make sense.

1087
00:45:04,820 --> 00:45:06,700
Where the heck are we going to go?

1088
00:45:06,700 --> 00:45:07,540
We are yours.

1089
00:45:07,540 --> 00:45:09,900
We are just, it's the same thing.

1090
00:45:09,900 --> 00:45:11,140
Have you figured him out?

1091
00:45:11,140 --> 00:45:13,820
Did Sister Gwenshaw figure God out?

1092
00:45:13,820 --> 00:45:14,660
Oh, no.

1093
00:45:14,660 --> 00:45:16,380
Can anybody figure him out?

1094
00:45:16,380 --> 00:45:19,380
But we are so in love with him, so deep.

1095
00:45:19,380 --> 00:45:23,060
It's like, you're the oxygen.

1096
00:45:23,060 --> 00:45:25,060
You're my oxygen.

1097
00:45:25,060 --> 00:45:27,660
I cannot breathe without you.

1098
00:45:27,660 --> 00:45:28,500
Yeah.

1099
00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:29,860
You know, it's like, that's anyway,

1100
00:45:29,860 --> 00:45:33,220
I get passionate sometimes talking about him.

1101
00:45:33,220 --> 00:45:35,940
I think Sharon has something to insert right at that spot.

1102
00:45:35,940 --> 00:45:36,780
Yeah.

1103
00:45:36,780 --> 00:45:37,620
I think that's really.

1104
00:45:37,620 --> 00:45:38,940
I was already thinking of it before,

1105
00:45:38,940 --> 00:45:40,940
but you just opened the door.

1106
00:45:40,940 --> 00:45:43,220
Some years ago, quite a few years ago now,

1107
00:45:43,220 --> 00:45:46,780
I had this experience in the spirit where

1108
00:45:46,780 --> 00:45:49,740
I began to understand that the presence of God

1109
00:45:49,740 --> 00:45:50,900
was like oxygen.

1110
00:45:51,780 --> 00:45:53,900
And it's not something that you can sense

1111
00:45:53,900 --> 00:45:58,100
with your five senses, but it's all around you

1112
00:45:58,100 --> 00:45:59,820
and you can't live without it.

1113
00:46:01,260 --> 00:46:03,020
And that's what the presence of God is.

1114
00:46:03,020 --> 00:46:07,140
So I was asking these people that have been to heaven

1115
00:46:07,140 --> 00:46:08,620
and have experienced him.

1116
00:46:08,620 --> 00:46:12,980
And I told the one about it and he said,

1117
00:46:12,980 --> 00:46:16,220
yeah, yeah, oxygen is the presence of God.

1118
00:46:16,220 --> 00:46:18,460
So I asked this other one, Dean Braxton,

1119
00:46:18,460 --> 00:46:21,740
that spent an hour and 45 minutes in heaven.

1120
00:46:21,740 --> 00:46:24,980
And he said, well, you could say that,

1121
00:46:24,980 --> 00:46:28,020
but I think it would be more accurate to say

1122
00:46:28,020 --> 00:46:30,140
that oxygen is the love of God.

1123
00:46:32,460 --> 00:46:33,620
It's beautiful.

1124
00:46:33,620 --> 00:46:38,620
So since then, I have been trying to remember to practice

1125
00:46:38,980 --> 00:46:41,500
that when I breathe in, like when I'm,

1126
00:46:41,500 --> 00:46:43,940
especially if I'm in prayer, but all the time,

1127
00:46:43,940 --> 00:46:45,340
all the time, like you breathe

1128
00:46:45,340 --> 00:46:47,340
without knowing you're breathing,

1129
00:46:47,340 --> 00:46:50,380
there's this involuntary thing that keeps going on

1130
00:46:50,380 --> 00:46:52,260
because you have life in you.

1131
00:46:52,260 --> 00:46:57,260
Even the Hebrew word for life has to do with breathing.

1132
00:46:57,380 --> 00:47:00,740
The word for spirit, the word for your soul

1133
00:47:00,740 --> 00:47:01,940
has to do with breathing.

1134
00:47:01,940 --> 00:47:04,420
So he's the one who gives us life.

1135
00:47:04,420 --> 00:47:08,220
So it's his love that is keeping us going,

1136
00:47:08,220 --> 00:47:10,740
whether we're aware of it or not.

1137
00:47:10,740 --> 00:47:13,740
But when I'm in prayer or when I'm just trying

1138
00:47:13,740 --> 00:47:16,340
to even relax to go to sleep,

1139
00:47:16,340 --> 00:47:19,180
I'll start to just breathe in his presence.

1140
00:47:19,180 --> 00:47:21,460
Oh, and the other thing that he showed me way back then

1141
00:47:21,460 --> 00:47:24,900
was that when he created Adam,

1142
00:47:24,900 --> 00:47:29,900
he created him with the idea that we breathe in his presence

1143
00:47:30,020 --> 00:47:31,340
and we breathe out worship.

1144
00:47:32,620 --> 00:47:36,340
That was how we're designed, to breathe in of his presence.

1145
00:47:36,340 --> 00:47:38,380
So we're supposed to be breathing in his love

1146
00:47:38,380 --> 00:47:39,860
and breathing out worship.

1147
00:47:39,860 --> 00:47:41,380
Well, when we breathe out worship,

1148
00:47:41,380 --> 00:47:44,060
it changes the atmosphere.

1149
00:47:44,060 --> 00:47:46,660
And when we change the atmosphere,

1150
00:47:46,660 --> 00:47:51,580
it creates a space where others can be impacted.

1151
00:47:51,580 --> 00:47:54,500
The more we worship, the greater our space of atmosphere

1152
00:47:54,500 --> 00:47:56,140
is that we're impacting.

1153
00:47:56,140 --> 00:47:57,500
So true.

1154
00:47:57,500 --> 00:48:00,500
And that, what I heard was it's as a result

1155
00:48:00,500 --> 00:48:04,940
of breathing him first, then breathe out worship.

1156
00:48:04,940 --> 00:48:05,780
Exactly.

1157
00:48:05,780 --> 00:48:08,460
When you go and see it in a museum,

1158
00:48:08,460 --> 00:48:13,140
you see this amazing painting, almost like it takes

1159
00:48:13,140 --> 00:48:13,980
your breath away.

1160
00:48:13,980 --> 00:48:15,980
You breathe in what you see.

1161
00:48:17,220 --> 00:48:18,500
Literally, this is what we do.

1162
00:48:18,500 --> 00:48:19,340
We are like, ah.

1163
00:48:20,380 --> 00:48:22,180
They call it breathtaking.

1164
00:48:22,180 --> 00:48:23,340
That was breathtaking.

1165
00:48:23,340 --> 00:48:24,700
You are taking a breath.

1166
00:48:24,700 --> 00:48:26,740
It causes you to breathe.

1167
00:48:26,740 --> 00:48:28,900
That's what I heard you were saying.

1168
00:48:28,900 --> 00:48:31,420
You know, you just, you know, that's like,

1169
00:48:31,420 --> 00:48:32,980
you're breathing him in.

1170
00:48:32,980 --> 00:48:35,940
And then of course you're like, oh my God,

1171
00:48:35,940 --> 00:48:39,220
this is so amazing, this painting is so,

1172
00:48:39,220 --> 00:48:40,780
same thing with the Lord.

1173
00:48:40,780 --> 00:48:42,540
Yes, yes.

1174
00:48:42,540 --> 00:48:44,860
It's inspirational.

1175
00:48:44,860 --> 00:48:48,740
Inspire, you get the word spirit in that.

1176
00:48:48,740 --> 00:48:49,580
Yeah.

1177
00:48:49,580 --> 00:48:53,020
You know, the word spirit in Latin or Greek, both, I think,

1178
00:48:53,940 --> 00:48:56,660
is like spiritu or something like that.

1179
00:48:56,660 --> 00:49:00,580
So inspiration is breathing in.

1180
00:49:00,580 --> 00:49:02,460
You're inspired.

1181
00:49:02,460 --> 00:49:03,500
Hallelujah.

1182
00:49:03,500 --> 00:49:04,340
Hallelujah.

1183
00:49:04,340 --> 00:49:08,460
Talking about him and his nature is so good, isn't it?

1184
00:49:08,460 --> 00:49:09,300
It is.

1185
00:49:09,300 --> 00:49:11,140
Versus talking about politic.

1186
00:49:12,300 --> 00:49:14,660
Absolutely, absolutely.

1187
00:49:14,660 --> 00:49:17,580
But you know, really the reason why I asked you to come on

1188
00:49:17,580 --> 00:49:22,580
this podcast was to give people, our listeners,

1189
00:49:23,580 --> 00:49:26,420
a window into Iran.

1190
00:49:26,420 --> 00:49:28,620
Because we hear all about the regime

1191
00:49:28,620 --> 00:49:30,140
and we hear all about the evil

1192
00:49:30,140 --> 00:49:32,900
and we hear all about the anti-Semitism

1193
00:49:32,900 --> 00:49:34,300
and the hatred toward Israel.

1194
00:49:34,300 --> 00:49:37,660
And I wanted people to hear the love of God for Iran

1195
00:49:37,660 --> 00:49:39,300
and for the Muslim people.

1196
00:49:39,300 --> 00:49:40,260
Yes.

1197
00:49:40,260 --> 00:49:42,180
And you've helped us with that.

1198
00:49:42,180 --> 00:49:43,020
Thank you.

1199
00:49:43,020 --> 00:49:46,340
Thank you for allowing me to share.

1200
00:49:46,340 --> 00:49:48,300
Would you pray for our listeners?

1201
00:49:48,300 --> 00:49:50,180
Yes, absolutely.

1202
00:49:50,180 --> 00:49:53,980
Father, thank you for today.

1203
00:49:53,980 --> 00:49:56,820
As our sister said, Sister Sharon said that,

1204
00:49:57,820 --> 00:49:59,540
you take our breath away.

1205
00:49:59,540 --> 00:50:04,540
I ask that you allow our listeners to really be a part

1206
00:50:06,140 --> 00:50:09,940
of your heart for the nation of Iran

1207
00:50:09,940 --> 00:50:14,380
and Muslim people in general that they never seen.

1208
00:50:14,380 --> 00:50:18,660
And they would not look at Iran or the Muslim people,

1209
00:50:18,660 --> 00:50:20,620
but they would look at your heart,

1210
00:50:21,980 --> 00:50:22,940
just like a mirror.

1211
00:50:22,940 --> 00:50:25,620
And they would look at your heart and say,

1212
00:50:25,620 --> 00:50:29,660
we never saw that part of your heart

1213
00:50:29,660 --> 00:50:32,740
for that particular group of people.

1214
00:50:32,740 --> 00:50:33,700
Yes.

1215
00:50:33,700 --> 00:50:37,100
And I already feel that has already happened, Father.

1216
00:50:37,100 --> 00:50:39,380
And we thank you for that.

1217
00:50:39,380 --> 00:50:42,780
We thank you Father, for showing your heart

1218
00:50:44,420 --> 00:50:45,780
for a group of people.

1219
00:50:47,500 --> 00:50:50,220
And most of all Father, thank you so much today,

1220
00:50:50,220 --> 00:50:52,500
because when we see your heart,

1221
00:50:52,500 --> 00:50:55,460
before we even see another group of people,

1222
00:50:55,460 --> 00:50:57,340
we are like, you're so amazing.

1223
00:50:57,340 --> 00:50:59,220
Is this how you see people?

1224
00:51:00,420 --> 00:51:03,900
Then we fall in love even more with you.

1225
00:51:03,900 --> 00:51:06,980
We say, wow, I'm sure in the crowd

1226
00:51:06,980 --> 00:51:10,940
when they brought the so-called prostitute

1227
00:51:10,940 --> 00:51:14,540
and then people they were watching and Jesus said,

1228
00:51:14,540 --> 00:51:18,420
if you do not have sin, go ahead and cast the first stone.

1229
00:51:18,420 --> 00:51:20,980
I'm sure there were people there, they are like,

1230
00:51:20,980 --> 00:51:22,260
who is this man?

1231
00:51:22,260 --> 00:51:24,540
Because they saw the heart of Christ.

1232
00:51:24,540 --> 00:51:26,740
It's like, who are you?

1233
00:51:26,740 --> 00:51:28,100
Yes.

1234
00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:30,420
They were not really looking at Mary.

1235
00:51:30,420 --> 00:51:33,380
They were looking at that, oh, Mary now,

1236
00:51:33,380 --> 00:51:34,780
she's not gonna die.

1237
00:51:34,780 --> 00:51:37,420
They were mesmerized by you.

1238
00:51:37,420 --> 00:51:40,380
Same thing, when we look at your heart

1239
00:51:40,380 --> 00:51:44,220
concerning other people, you're first mesmerized by you.

1240
00:51:44,220 --> 00:51:46,700
You're like, really?

1241
00:51:46,700 --> 00:51:49,900
And that's what I want first to happen

1242
00:51:49,900 --> 00:51:52,140
for all of us and the listeners,

1243
00:51:52,140 --> 00:51:57,060
to really, their breath be taken in a good way

1244
00:51:57,060 --> 00:52:00,340
by looking at your heart and say, is that who you are?

1245
00:52:00,340 --> 00:52:01,340
Is that how you are?

1246
00:52:02,700 --> 00:52:04,260
Wow.

1247
00:52:04,260 --> 00:52:06,580
And then fall more in love with you.

1248
00:52:06,580 --> 00:52:07,420
Yes.

1249
00:52:07,420 --> 00:52:10,100
We just ask for that kind of love

1250
00:52:10,100 --> 00:52:13,300
because sometimes I try to love people, it doesn't work.

1251
00:52:13,300 --> 00:52:17,300
The more I come back and cultivate my love relationship

1252
00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:19,140
with you, then I could love people.

1253
00:52:19,140 --> 00:52:23,140
Yes. Again, it goes back to our love relationship

1254
00:52:23,140 --> 00:52:25,060
with the heart of God.

1255
00:52:25,060 --> 00:52:29,260
I just bless the love relationship, Father,

1256
00:52:29,260 --> 00:52:30,660
with your heart.

1257
00:52:30,660 --> 00:52:31,860
Yes, Lord.

1258
00:52:31,860 --> 00:52:33,140
And thank you for this moment,

1259
00:52:33,140 --> 00:52:34,300
because when you were talking,

1260
00:52:34,300 --> 00:52:38,820
there were moments that they were just like in awe.

1261
00:52:38,820 --> 00:52:43,420
I just wanted just to be quiet and allow even the silence

1262
00:52:43,420 --> 00:52:46,380
to just minister to people.

1263
00:52:46,380 --> 00:52:49,300
Because you're so amazing, you're so incredible.

1264
00:52:49,300 --> 00:52:50,300
Thank you, Lord.

1265
00:52:50,300 --> 00:52:51,940
Thank you, Father.

1266
00:52:51,940 --> 00:52:53,300
Thank you, Lord.

1267
00:52:53,300 --> 00:52:55,220
Thank you, Father.

1268
00:52:55,220 --> 00:52:57,540
Without you, we can do nothing.

1269
00:52:57,540 --> 00:52:58,580
We give you glory.

1270
00:52:58,580 --> 00:53:00,140
Yes, thank you, Father.

1271
00:53:00,140 --> 00:53:02,940
Thank you for giving us a peek into your heart.

1272
00:53:02,940 --> 00:53:05,260
Lord, connect our hearts to yours

1273
00:53:05,260 --> 00:53:07,980
so that you can flow through us by your Spirit.

1274
00:53:07,980 --> 00:53:09,500
In Jesus' name.

1275
00:53:09,500 --> 00:53:10,700
Amen.

1276
00:53:10,700 --> 00:53:12,420
Amen.

1277
00:53:12,420 --> 00:53:14,660
Do you have books now?

1278
00:53:14,660 --> 00:53:16,020
You have one book.

1279
00:53:16,020 --> 00:53:17,020
Do you have more than one?

1280
00:53:17,020 --> 00:53:19,900
I have that old book that I had.

1281
00:53:19,900 --> 00:53:22,740
I think it's on Amazon.

1282
00:53:22,740 --> 00:53:25,340
But if people wanted to see what we're doing,

1283
00:53:25,340 --> 00:53:26,780
they could go to our website.

1284
00:53:26,780 --> 00:53:29,540
It's ksmovement.com.

1285
00:53:29,540 --> 00:53:30,060
Good.

1286
00:53:30,060 --> 00:53:30,540
Good.

1287
00:53:30,540 --> 00:53:32,540
We'll put a link in the show notes for that.

1288
00:53:32,540 --> 00:53:34,260
We don't completely share what we do,

1289
00:53:34,260 --> 00:53:35,940
because a lot of it is in a secret.

1290
00:53:35,940 --> 00:53:39,300
But there are things there.

1291
00:53:39,300 --> 00:53:41,100
It's KS Movement.

1292
00:53:41,100 --> 00:53:42,420
OK.

1293
00:53:42,420 --> 00:53:44,580
Well, I would just like to encourage people

1294
00:53:44,580 --> 00:53:46,900
to feel free to hear from the Holy Spirit

1295
00:53:46,900 --> 00:53:48,140
about supporting your ministry.

1296
00:53:48,140 --> 00:53:49,140
Yes.

1297
00:53:49,140 --> 00:53:50,900
Yes, that would be awesome, because we

1298
00:53:50,900 --> 00:53:54,340
are in the process of getting the blueprint done

1299
00:53:54,340 --> 00:53:58,380
to build a facility in our land here for our TV studio,

1300
00:53:58,380 --> 00:54:00,060
recording studio.

1301
00:54:00,060 --> 00:54:03,020
Because the place we are using, it was graciously,

1302
00:54:03,020 --> 00:54:05,420
they allowed us to use it for three years.

1303
00:54:05,420 --> 00:54:06,780
And the time is up.

1304
00:54:06,780 --> 00:54:10,060
We are in the process of dreaming

1305
00:54:10,060 --> 00:54:12,020
about building our own studio.

1306
00:54:12,020 --> 00:54:13,860
Yes, we need supporters.

1307
00:54:13,860 --> 00:54:14,660
OK.

1308
00:54:14,660 --> 00:54:16,340
For the building also.

1309
00:54:16,340 --> 00:54:16,860
Very good.

1310
00:54:16,860 --> 00:54:20,660
Well, I know that you are full of integrity and honesty.

1311
00:54:20,660 --> 00:54:21,420
Oh, thank you.

1312
00:54:21,420 --> 00:54:22,860
And this is good ground.

1313
00:54:22,860 --> 00:54:24,220
Yes.

1314
00:54:24,220 --> 00:54:27,500
Listener, if you want to invest in something

1315
00:54:27,500 --> 00:54:31,180
that is changing lives and transforming the Middle East,

1316
00:54:31,180 --> 00:54:33,620
this is a good place to sow your seed.

1317
00:54:33,620 --> 00:54:34,860
Thank you.

1318
00:54:34,860 --> 00:54:36,300
Well, God bless you, Kamran.

1319
00:54:36,300 --> 00:54:37,860
And God bless Suzy.

1320
00:54:37,860 --> 00:54:40,100
And we love both of you.

1321
00:54:40,100 --> 00:54:42,620
And look forward to the next time we can be together.

1322
00:54:42,620 --> 00:54:43,580
Absolutely.

1323
00:54:43,580 --> 00:54:44,620
Thank you so much.

1324
00:54:44,620 --> 00:54:45,140
Thank you.

1325
00:54:45,140 --> 00:54:45,980
It was amazing.

1326
00:54:45,980 --> 00:54:47,660
I got encouraged.

1327
00:54:47,660 --> 00:54:48,620
Good.

1328
00:54:48,620 --> 00:54:49,380
Hallelujah.

1329
00:54:49,380 --> 00:54:49,860
Amen.

1330
00:54:49,860 --> 00:54:50,360
Amen.

1331
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:50,860
Amen.

1332
00:54:50,860 --> 00:54:51,360
Good.

1333
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:51,860
Hallelujah.

1334
00:54:51,860 --> 00:54:52,360
Amen.

1335
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:52,860
Amen.

1336
00:54:52,860 --> 00:54:53,360
Amen.

1337
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:53,860
Amen.

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