(218) “The New Wine Is in the Cluster” with Valerie Melroy

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We need each other.

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Absolutely.

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We can't do our own thing.

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I mean, it's body ministry, right?

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Yes.

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We're all part of a body.

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Right.

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We need each other.

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We need to flow as a body.

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I hear people talk about the new wine, the new wine.

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We need new wineskins.

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We need the old wineskins to go, and so forth and so on.

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But part of that and what the Lord intends

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is that we come together.

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If we're looking for new wine, start looking around,

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and who's a part of that cluster?

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God promises in Joel 2, 28 to pour out His Spirit

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on all humanity.

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Welcome to Global Outpouring.

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We contend for that promise outpouring.

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We equip for that outpouring so that we may engage

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in that very outpouring.

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I'm Philip Buss.

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And I'm Sharon Buss.

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Welcome to the podcast today.

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We have with us again our dear friend Valerie Melroy, who

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is now on our board of directors.

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And we have been talking about what the Lord is doing.

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She got a word from the Lord about the new wine

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is in the cluster.

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Thank you so much for joining us again today.

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So Valerie, thank you so much for joining us today.

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We've just had a glorious convention together.

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And we're so appreciative that you came and preached for us.

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It was a powerful message that you preached.

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And we'll put a link to that in the show notes.

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But thanks so much for joining us again.

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It's so wonderful to be here.

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And here I am at Engle Tall.

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So this is so much fun.

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I haven't been here for years.

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And to be with you and to be at the glorious convention,

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it was wonderful.

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It really was wonderful.

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And we'll put a link to the whole playlist

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from the convention.

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Our last episode was my message from the convention

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on the opening night.

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And it was amazing to me how one message dovetailed

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with the next message.

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And all of the messages just flowed together

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from completely different speakers.

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It was just, it was glorious.

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It was glorious.

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You knew it had to be Holy Spirit.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And the worship was out of this world.

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Absolutely.

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It always is.

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But there's something happens when the body comes together.

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There's a corporate anointing.

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It's like when I have my time of just

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worshiping the Lord myself, that anointing is my size.

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But when Philip and I get together, his size and my size

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goes together, it's not like two plus two equals four.

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It's like two times two times four times whatever.

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It just increases.

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There's an exponential increase when you do things together.

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So you get a whole bunch of people together in one place

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that have an anointing in their lives.

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And the corporate anointing, it just skyrockets.

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It does.

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And what adds to that is the flags, the dance,

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the tambourine, the shofars.

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People are around the room that are singing and moving

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and really engaging.

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Talking about one of the words is engage.

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People engage with Holy Spirit at these conventions,

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more so than most that I go to.

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Yeah.

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And what's amazing, too, is the visitations

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people have during worship.

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Yes.

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Because that doesn't happen everywhere.

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Yeah.

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It's just when you have powerful moves of the Holy Spirit,

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when people start having dreams and visions.

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Like the veil is just torn.

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And there's just so much is going on.

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Yeah.

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Very true.

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Not just the worship leaders.

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Right.

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And what I love, too, is that there's a freedom

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to flow in the Holy Spirit.

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We don't have much of an agenda.

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We just go there and we start a meeting.

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And we know that we're going to have some worship, usually

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almost an hour, roughly an hour.

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And then we don't know what else might happen during that time.

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And we had a couple of, I would say they were Holy Spirit blow

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out sessions, where the Holy Spirit just led us.

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And we went into intercession.

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And it was just powerful.

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But it was led by the Holy Spirit.

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It wasn't that we had an agenda to do spiritual warfare.

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But we did as the Holy Spirit led.

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Spontaneous.

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It was spontaneous.

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Absolutely spontaneous.

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So we're talking about what are we going to do next year.

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We already are feeling that our time of having our convention

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here in a small way at our headquarters, that started

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when everything shut down in 2020,

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we couldn't go and have a big thing in a hotel.

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I mean, the hotels were basically shut down.

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Hardly anybody was coming and going from the hotels.

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And so they let all of their staff go.

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And they really didn't want us to show up

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with a whole bunch of people.

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Yeah, I remember the hotel only had 16 people

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working the hotels.

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And this is an airport hotel.

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And they would have to rehire people back and then

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lay them off again after the event is over,

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which means then they'd have to re-sign up

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for their unemployment all over again

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and take another two to three weeks.

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Yeah, it would have been complicated.

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So they just graciously asked us if we would bow out.

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And we were gracious enough to.

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Glad we did it.

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Yeah, I said we're not canceling unless the hotel wants us to.

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And they did.

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Anyway, that's a long time ago.

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But we've been having these smaller versions

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here at our headquarters.

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And it just feels like, OK, it's time.

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And it's time for us.

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Now, we used to hold our conventions

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over the 4th of July week, because that's

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when you could get a better rate.

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Then this year, we scooched it back into June

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because we wanted to have our youth retreat in July

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and in order to do it when everybody's off of school.

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And we didn't really do a good job getting

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the word out about June.

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I don't know what happened, but we kind of

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dropped the ball a bit.

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So our numbers were down a bit more

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than our usual small event.

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But we've just been feeling that it's

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time to go back to a big city.

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And we, for many years, had our conventions in St. Louis.

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So we are looking around and looking at possibilities there.

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And I also want to say this.

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We're looking at Memorial Day weekend.

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We'll start on Wednesday or Thursday and go through Sunday.

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And you can go home on Monday, Memorial Day.

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And this will be a time when people can come together.

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And because it's a holiday, the rates come down a bit.

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And it makes it more affordable to attend a thing when

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it's on a holiday weekend.

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So Valerie, you were praying about this.

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And what was it that the Lord spoke to you?

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So years ago when I was with Sister Gwen,

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and I'm not sure where it was, but I

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heard her say the new wine is in the cluster,

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the cluster of grapes.

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And so Isaiah 65, and when I was coming out here

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to this convention, and then my first board meeting

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as an official board member, I felt

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like the Lord was saying, this is a scripture to look at moving

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forward, that we need each other.

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Absolutely.

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We can't do our own thing.

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We all need.

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I mean, it's body ministry, right?

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Yes.

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We're all part of a body.

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We need each other.

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We need to flow as a body.

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Not everybody, but I hear people talk about the new wine,

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the new wine.

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We need new wineskins.

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We need the old wineskins to go, and so forth and so on.

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But part of that, and what the Lord intends,

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is that we come together so that we can be crushed together,

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praised together, anointed together, ordained together,

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convened together so that we can get our marching orders.

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Some of us will go off and march together.

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Some of us will go off and pray for some of those

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that we marched with when we convened.

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But the real idea is, if we're looking for new wine,

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start looking around.

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And who's a part of that cluster in your region,

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in your state, in the ministries that you're supporting?

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I've been in Enthamhamein for 40 years.

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And now global outpouring, when I come to these conventions,

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it's about the nations.

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And guess what it is for the Lord?

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It's about the nations.

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Sure.

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Ask of me, and I'll give you the nations for your inheritance,

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the peoples.

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And so yes, it's about the harvest.

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And so the new wine is how we're going to get that harvest.

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Because no one person can disciple,

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what if 10,000 people came into knowing the Lord

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tomorrow in your region?

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You're not going to make a difference in 10,000 people

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lives by yourself.

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Right.

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Right.

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We need each other.

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We need each other.

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And I think it's so significant that I believe the adversary has

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worked really hard over the last five years to isolate people.

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A friend of ours, one of the young men that was here

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helping us, he does door dash deliveries.

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Well, he's been on this podcast, Matthew Reams.

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And he's a minister, but in order to eat,

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sometimes you have to do some other things.

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And so he does door dash deliveries.

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He says he hardly ever sees a person

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that he's delivering to.

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They just text him and say, just leave it on the porch.

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Ring the bell and walk away.

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That's really amazing.

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Yeah, so there's a better get it quicker.

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Somebody will steal it.

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And I think it's a glitter bomb or something.

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Yeah.

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Oh, my.

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But anyway, the thing is this, that people

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have become so isolated.

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And social media has caused people

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to connect over social media.

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And they don't know how to speak together.

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People will be sitting at a table in a restaurant,

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and they're texting one another, texting back and forth.

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Well, you could talk.

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Yeah, that's true.

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And the thing is this, the new wine is in the cluster.

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In other words, it requires community.

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And it requires us to go beyond our safe little nest

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where we are by ourself.

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So many people have gotten hurt in some way.

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And it causes them to draw back and not

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want to interact with people because they might get hurt.

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So it's a fear, a fear of relationships,

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because there's been a bad relationship.

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Well, God wants to set us free from that.

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Because it's really about walking together

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in horizontal relationships while we

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have this amazing vertical relationship with the Lord.

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It's not one or the other.

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It's both.

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Yeah.

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It's true, and the Lord never intended us

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to go at this alone.

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He himself put disciples around him.

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Right.

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Right?

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And I know Pastor Tony, he was talking about he had the one,

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he had the three, he had the 12, he had the 70,

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he had the 120, and then the 500.

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And so that the Lord always had those around him.

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And I think it's really important now, especially,

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and of course we know what Hebrew says,

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let us not neglect meeting together as some made a habit.

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And I think that's what's happening nowadays.

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A lot of people have not returned to the church.

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And I don't mean just the church building.

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Return to gathering together and being with a body

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and feeling good about being with a body.

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But let us encourage one another and all the more

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as you see the day approaching.

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Now we see the day approaching.

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Yes.

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And there's such a fear factor being put out.

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It's like take your weather channel.

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I have the weather channel app.

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And it's not always weather.

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And all of a sudden, all these things come up.

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This, you know, scientists say this, experts say this,

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this and this.

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And it gets you so full of fear and disillusion.

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They're saying by this, this, all that.

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And it's just like you can get depressed watching

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weather channel stuff.

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Because we're talking about all these things into a video,

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this or that, what they say, which, you know,

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which affects the way people think.

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Getting together, virus, this, this, that.

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A chicken's got that.

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Those humans got a bird flu, da, da.

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And so many people have the weather channel app

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because, you know, you want to get it.

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But you're getting news you don't want to hear either.

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Yeah.

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Well, you know, talk about hope deferred.

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Right.

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You know, hope deferred makes the heart sick.

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When you think you're going to have an experience

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or you think that something good is going to happen

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and then it doesn't happen.

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And then hope deferred brings depression.

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Right.

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Absolutely.

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It sets in.

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So hope deferred makes the heart sick.

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That could be now a heart.

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My mother used to teach that the heart is a seat

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of our emotions, our thoughts.

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But also it could be our physical heart.

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It could be the mental health.

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It could be emotional.

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Could be relational.

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Now I have a friend, he has a home for people

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that are recovering from drugs and alcohol.

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And he absolutely stands on the fact

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that you do not recover unless you're in relationship.

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Wow.

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You need relationship to recover.

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Part of that is you might think you're doing really good

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until you meet somebody you don't like

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and you realize, ooh, I still have some issues

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that I need to look at.

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So again, it's that partnership.

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It's where two or three are gathered, touching anything.

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Now, yes, it can be on the phone.

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It can be through Zoom.

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It could be through whatever it is.

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But in person, you get to see the face.

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You get to touch if you need to.

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That's why I loved this convention this year.

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I saw a few folks I haven't seen in a long time.

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And I got to meet a lot of really neat people.

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You got to pray together.

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I got to hear their story.

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I love hearing people's story.

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I do, too.

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It's just amazing.

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And what the Lord is doing, it's so encouraging

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to hear what the Lord is doing other people, what

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He's doing in their towns, what people need help for

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in their family.

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Most of us are in the same place in one way or another.

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So it might be a little before, let's

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say they've worked through some of the things with their kids

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or with their spouse.

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And now they can be an encouragement to me,

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how do I do that?

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Or how did you do that?

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Or maybe some can help with, let's gather together

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and really pray for the healing and then pray for healing.

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Like someone hit my heart this time here,

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and I'm going to keep her on my heart until she gets healed,

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because I believe she's going to be healed.

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Amen.

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So when I go home from here, I'm not going to be,

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oh, that was a nice gathering.

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I'm going to say, oh, Lord, in Jesus' name, I know it.

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Enough is enough.

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It's now.

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Today's the day of healing.

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Today's the day of salvation, so forth and so on.

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So it's real important, that connection.

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And another connection that is so important

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is the connection between the generations.

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Absolutely.

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I remember from the Bible the story of Rehoboam,

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who was Solomon's son.

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And Solomon had been this great and wise and very rich king.

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And he had really taxed the people

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in order to get all of these riches to build.

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I mean, he built the temple.

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He built his own house.

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He built all kinds of things.

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He built chariot cities all around the country.

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He sent people to foreign places trading.

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He got apes, and he got gold, and he got all kinds of things

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that were an ivory.

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So obviously, they went to Africa.

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Anyway, so when Solomon dies, his son Rehoboam

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takes the throne.

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And there had been a warning that God

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was going to rend the kingdom.

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He was going to tear it up because of something

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that Solomon had done.

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I won't go into that.

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But what happened was Rehoboam was

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going to get crowned as king.

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And the people came to him and said,

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are you planning to tax us like your father did?

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He said, well, let me get back to you on that.

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And so he consulted with his advisors

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and the advisors that had worked with his dad.

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These men that are now older and seasoned and wise,

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they said, you need to back off on the taxes

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so that you'll be able to work with these people,

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and they'll serve you.

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If you relent on this, they will work with you.

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They will serve you.

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But then he consulted with the young men that were his own age.

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And they said, no, come on.

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You can do even better.

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And so he came back, and he said to these people,

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I'm going to tax you even more than my dad did.

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Well, 10 tribes walked away.

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So he wound up with a whole lot smaller tax base,

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just with his own tribe of Judah,

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and I think Benjamin and Simeon's in there.

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But the point is that it's not really

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wise to only listen to the people that are peers, that

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are your own age.

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You need wise counsel from people that are older than you.

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And that's something that we tend to miss,

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because our adversary wants to keep us separated.

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He doesn't want us to be integrating the generations.

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I know as a child, I was one of those kids

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that always wanted to hang out with older people.

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I don't know why that.

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Oh, I know why it was.

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When my great grandmother died, I

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wanted someone to take her place.

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And I went looking for somebody older.

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That was the beginning of my quest for relationships

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with older people.

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And I guess I always have had that.

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But my point is that the generations need each other.

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Those that have gotten older and maybe slower physically,

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they have more wisdom, but the younger ones

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have more strength and more energy.

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And working together, the job of building the kingdom

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can be done so much more easily if we'll just

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function together.

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Amen, that's perfect.

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I think God designed it to be generational,

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says the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

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So there you go, the generations.

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He designed us to be in relationship.

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And I say healthy relationship, too.

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But with someone older, I know when I was young

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and I worked in a nursing home, I

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used to love sitting at the bedside of people

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and listening to their stories.

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I could hear people that made it through the Great Depression,

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that made it through World War I and Korean War even back then

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and so forth, and just the stories and how they made it

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and the fire.

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And was it in San Francisco?

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Wherever that big fire was in.

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Anyway, Chicago maybe, whatever.

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I'm trying to remember.

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I can see the lady telling me, but I would hang on

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every single word because I thought, how did you make it?

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Because now we're so technologically based

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if electricity went down.

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What would our youth do?

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The phone in every hand, computer,

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everything is about technology.

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And years ago, people made it through dark, difficult times.

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And there's still keys that older people have for that.

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And that's even people older than myself.

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And then running alongside.

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I learned a lot from youth.

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Here at this convention, I would ask questions.

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And I learned right now things that I didn't know.

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My grandkids.

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Well, we all know grandkids help us with our phone

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and other things.

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I don't know necessarily what kind of music people

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really like these days.

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And it seems like a lot of different genres.

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But it's really important that we understand each other's

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hearts, spend time together, lift one another up.

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And I love that scripture.

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The father puts the lonely in families, right?

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Because he wants us to be together.

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And so if you had a family like 10 years and under,

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or 15 years and under, it's not going to work.

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So you need the older folks that are helping the kids,

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the youth, the teens that are helping the little kids,

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and then the grandmoms and grandpops.

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Yeah, I was waiting on the Lord a couple of days ago.

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And was it just yesterday?

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Anyway, whenever it was, I felt like the Lord spoke to me.

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And it was really about having sort of an adopt a grandparent

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program for like youth groups in churches and young adults

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with kids.

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And I mean, obviously, you would want

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to make sure that you have vetted the person.

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But finding somebody in your church or in your neighborhood

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that is a trustworthy older person

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would be a grandparent, or just be a mother or a father that

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is going to help to bring some stability

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and help to bring some wisdom.

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And lots of times, an older person

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will have had experiences that would help,

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telling their story, telling their testimony.

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This is what happened to me.

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You don't have to make the same mistake I made.

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Come on, climb on my shoulders.

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And learn from my mistakes so that you

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don't have to make them.

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I don't know why human nature is so inclined that we want to.

531
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,520
We want to make our own mistakes.

532
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:58,520
But if we grasp the wisdom, we can be saving ourselves

533
00:22:58,520 --> 00:22:59,960
a lot of heartache.

534
00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:00,720
That's true.

535
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,760
Well, I think of days before GPS,

536
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:08,200
like a lot of the macho man, I don't need, I'll find it.

537
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:09,080
Da da da.

538
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,080
I don't need directions.

539
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,040
I don't need directions.

540
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:16,320
And one thing nice about GPS, they've saved a lot of fuel.

541
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,360
Because a lot of people are not getting lost as much.

542
00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:20,800
Yeah, unless the GPS gets them lost.

543
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,360
But there's this thing, yeah, that's

544
00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:24,720
true if it wasn't programmed, like the one we had,

545
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,000
and trying to go through New York City.

546
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,240
Oh my.

547
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,160
Exit here, you get off, and you just

548
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,800
added 20 minutes to your route.

549
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,880
It took an hour and a half to get out of the city

550
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,040
to get to Long Island.

551
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:36,640
Yeah.

552
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,560
You know, but it's just.

553
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,640
The youth can help us with the technology.

554
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:41,440
Yeah, that's true.

555
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:42,400
It's wonderful.

556
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,720
Well, the thing is that we bought it and didn't really

557
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,720
get it programmed right.

558
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,440
But still, you know, that was always a big thing.

559
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,520
Never stopping to ask directions.

560
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,680
Because when you do that, OK, you stop,

561
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,920
you got to go into a gas station, go into a store.

562
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,960
I remember we went to Dallas.

563
00:23:58,960 --> 00:23:59,880
We were picking up.

564
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:00,400
Oh, yeah.

565
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,560
We were picking up Sister Gwen and Colonel Jim.

566
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,320
They were flying into a small airport,

567
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,120
Blue or something, I forget the name of the airport,

568
00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:09,880
more for private planes.

569
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,280
We stopped six times for directions,

570
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,960
and every one, they left something out.

571
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:15,720
Oh, yeah.

572
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:16,600
We finally made it.

573
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,120
I mean, six times.

574
00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:20,120
I never forgot that.

575
00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:21,080
I thought it's.

576
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,920
So this is where GPS is nice, but still.

577
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,480
Technology has taken us forward.

578
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:28,200
Yes.

579
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,320
So we saved a quarter tank of gas out of that, maybe.

580
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,760
You know, if we would have had our GPS.

581
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,400
You know, I was thinking with that,

582
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,600
when I started going back to the nations again,

583
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,880
it was with you and Philip to Tibet.

584
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:41,440
Oh, yes.

585
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,600
Remember, we went to Nepal and Tibet.

586
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,280
And what was so cool about that was we had two women

587
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:50,200
in their late 70s on that trip.

588
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,120
And I was amazed, like, wow, you're in the mission field.

589
00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:57,080
So whoever's listening, don't think age is a barrier,

590
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,160
because it's not.

591
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:02,640
Because we went up to 16,500 feet on that first journey.

592
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:03,720
Yeah.

593
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,680
We were up there.

594
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:06,320
We were up there.

595
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,880
That's when I first blew the shofar, just a little side

596
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:09,840
note, believe it or not.

597
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,360
I never blew the shofar before.

598
00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:11,760
Yes.

599
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,280
And up there with that thin air.

600
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:13,920
Yeah, yeah.

601
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,000
Boom, it happened.

602
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,560
But you know, I was at that time,

603
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,560
I was separated and not having a good marriage.

604
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,200
And the one woman, I'll never forget it, she said to me,

605
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:26,520
you know what I've done?

606
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,600
I use Isaiah 54.

607
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,600
For your husband is your maker.

608
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,600
The Lord of hosts is his name.

609
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,920
The Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer.

610
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,600
He is called the God of all the earth.

611
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,640
And then, for the Lord has called you back

612
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,920
like a wife deserted and wounded in his spirit

613
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,360
and rejected wife of one's youth says your God.

614
00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:50,880
And that scripture made such a difference.

615
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,640
Now, this is from an older woman who

616
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,760
had been either lost a husband through death or divorce.

617
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,280
I'm not sure.

618
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,400
But it was some time later.

619
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:00,360
And I was a minister.

620
00:26:00,360 --> 00:26:03,960
And I was going to perform the marriage of my daughter.

621
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,960
I was going to be the minister.

622
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,480
And I thought, Lord, how can I do this?

623
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,080
Then I found out that my husband, at the time,

624
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,480
we weren't divorced yet, was going to bring his friend,

625
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,880
his girlfriend, let me say.

626
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:19,520
Oh my.

627
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,680
And I'm like, Lord, what am I going to do?

628
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,320
The Lord reminded me of that scripture one week before.

629
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:27,000
Wow.

630
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,960
And I confessed that scripture.

631
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,800
And I cried over that scripture.

632
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,080
And I stood right up there and was

633
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,680
able to perform that ceremony without a broken heart

634
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,120
because the Lord mended.

635
00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:41,720
But that came from an older person.

636
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,160
I was 40 at the time, 42 maybe.

637
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,880
And that scripture was the word that I needed.

638
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,400
And that was probably several months later.

639
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,240
But it was the word that I needed.

640
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:53,480
And I got it on that trip.

641
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,200
So again, we had gotten together,

642
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,560
taken the information to the nations,

643
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,060
taken the Lord to the nations.

644
00:27:01,060 --> 00:27:03,320
We had to be careful, of course, in Tibet.

645
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:03,820
Certainly.

646
00:27:03,820 --> 00:27:04,940
But we still were together.

647
00:27:04,940 --> 00:27:07,080
We took communion together every day.

648
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,560
We had various ages on that trip.

649
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,720
And we melted together around communion, around a purpose,

650
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,600
around Holy Spirit and the Lord.

651
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,200
And we ministered to so many kids on that trip, youth

652
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,920
as well, but the children.

653
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,720
And I'll tell you, it was a life-changing trip for me

654
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,720
that got me back into the mission field again.

655
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,600
And so seeing the blend of the older folks, the middle folks

656
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,040
working with the youth and some of the churches over there

657
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,080
that you got to preach in and really got to reach out to.

658
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:38,920
Remember that trip?

659
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:39,880
It was amazing.

660
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,440
That was the first journey.

661
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:42,480
Is that the first?

662
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:43,320
I think it was the second.

663
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:43,880
The second journey.

664
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,000
But I'm not sure.

665
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,040
It was such a tight-knit group.

666
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:48,400
It was really.

667
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:49,520
And you had to be.

668
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,960
Because this wasn't, you know, Tibet is not a mission field

669
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,240
for novices.

670
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:54,800
True.

671
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,080
I mean, not back then when we went,

672
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,800
because it was such a demonic place.

673
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,600
You know, the powers of darkness are very strong.

674
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,840
And they call it the rooftop of the world.

675
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,160
The abode of the gods, little g.

676
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:08,640
Right.

677
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,040
Little g-o-d-s.

678
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:10,760
Right.

679
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,080
So we had a cluster.

680
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,120
We did.

681
00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:16,480
We had a team, a cluster.

682
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,600
And so what is New Wine all about?

683
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:25,080
You know, New Wine is the brand new wine.

684
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:26,040
OK.

685
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,560
And I remember Francine Lovell used

686
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,800
to talk about the new wine being in the cluster.

687
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:35,000
And she talked about how the new wine is the most intoxicating.

688
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,840
And it's very, very special.

689
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,240
And because it is in the fermentation process,

690
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,640
that's why you have to have new wine skins,

691
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,000
because they'll stretch.

692
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,880
If you put it in old wine skins that

693
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,200
don't have the suppleness and the flexibility, they will pop.

694
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,040
They will burst.

695
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,560
You know, they're made out of the skins of animals, you know?

696
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:03,120
And so it's important for us to have this cluster,

697
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,200
this everybody together.

698
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,400
It's every generation together.

699
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,400
We need each other.

700
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,720
You know, I remember when we've had conventions where

701
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,240
we have the children minister.

702
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,280
And they're being taught how to hear from the Holy Spirit,

703
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:22,960
how to pray for people.

704
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,480
And we would bring them in and have them pray over the grownups

705
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,560
and give them words of knowledge and give them

706
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,040
words of prophecy.

707
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,840
And they'll close their eyes and they'll pray

708
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,120
and they'll see a picture in their minds

709
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,920
and tell the person what the picture is.

710
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,920
Well, the picture means something to that person.

711
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:46,400
So even the little children, we need every generation

712
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:47,760
in the cluster.

713
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:52,280
We need this whole body ministry, this thing together

714
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:53,480
that we do it together.

715
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:58,600
And that's what produces the new wine that

716
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,600
is the wine of the kingdom.

717
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:05,200
It's that intoxicating thing that produces joy

718
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,320
in all of the generations when we do things together.

719
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:09,840
Amen.

720
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,240
When you're really in the Holy Spirit, you know,

721
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,760
I don't know if I wouldn't want to admit that I ever got drunk.

722
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:20,960
But you know, if you ever got drunk in the natural,

723
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,640
your inhibitions are gone.

724
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,040
And you may, you know, and you'd still have a sudden,

725
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,920
I've seen people who like everybody.

726
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,360
And you know, and they're just like, let me talk to you.

727
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:31,680
And I can do this now.

728
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,360
I feel invincible.

729
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,160
And so it's not always good.

730
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,640
But I just think when we're together with the cluster

731
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,400
and we're intoxicated with Jesus, with Holy Spirit.

732
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:46,560
Like the day of Pentecost.

733
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:47,760
Yes, exactly.

734
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,680
These men are not drunk as you suppose.

735
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:50,440
Exactly.

736
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,760
They thought they were drunk because of their behavior.

737
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,200
And they were saying, you know, talking their language.

738
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,440
But you know what they look like.

739
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,920
And when we're together like that and we're in Holy Spirit

740
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,480
and the new wine, we really can drop away

741
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,560
a lot of our pretenses, the masks that we wear.

742
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,560
We can trust one another.

743
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,480
We can invite the Lord to come in in a deeper way,

744
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:16,520
in a new way.

745
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,760
And other people want to be around us

746
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,360
because we're joyful now.

747
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,040
I remember a message just to Gwen at Preaches

748
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,200
and one of her messages.

749
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,400
And she's like, you go to Germany

750
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,280
and they're just so real stiff and da, da, da.

751
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,000
And so once they've had some beers, some wine,

752
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,920
all of a sudden, ah, yeah, they're just all free and loose.

753
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,040
You know, and she was referring, that's

754
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,880
what happens when you have the new wine.

755
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,160
You know, it will just make you.

756
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:45,880
It's like Toronto.

757
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,720
Actually, Rodney Howard Brown started that.

758
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:49,720
You know, that was in the.

759
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:50,560
God started it through him.

760
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,680
God started it through him.

761
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,480
And then it just started spreading.

762
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,280
It's the joy in his presence.

763
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,040
Why was it to take a South African to come to America?

764
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:01,880
I don't know.

765
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,920
To bring it, you know, it's really, it was just amazing.

766
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,000
And then it just spread.

767
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,440
It spread to Toronto and then to Pensacola, Brownsville.

768
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,600
And, you know, it was a man.

769
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,320
It was a joy thing.

770
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,960
I mean, there were people that would just cry out

771
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:17,960
in intercession in that.

772
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,800
But mostly it was the laughing.

773
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,720
And finally, after a while, you just got used to laughing

774
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:28,000
during a session because even the people that were the most

775
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,880
kind of stiff, you think, or this or that were just.

776
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,560
And I'm and I remember when all this was going on

777
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,640
and we go to our Methodist church in Jasper.

778
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,280
What's going to happen if Sharon just loses it?

779
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:41,720
I was really concerned.

780
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,320
She almost lost it a few times.

781
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,200
You know, it was really, it was scary to go in.

782
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,640
What are they going to think?

783
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,000
But the Lord was good.

784
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:50,680
Yeah.

785
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,240
You know, it's really about the joy in his presence.

786
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:53,920
Yeah.

787
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,360
And we get that joy in his presence

788
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,640
as we enter his gates with Thanksgiving.

789
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,240
And in his presence is fullness of joy.

790
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:08,320
So there's something about this presence and the cluster.

791
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:09,600
Yeah.

792
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,280
I remember a little song someone sang before.

793
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,000
It's like when I get squeezed, I let out a little wine.

794
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,800
You can be W-I-N-E or W-H-I-N-E.

795
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:21,320
Wine.

796
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:21,840
That's good.

797
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,160
It's another wine.

798
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,320
But it's when we get squeezed, you know,

799
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,800
and we get all the bad, the W-H-I-N out of here,

800
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,600
and we start releasing W-I-N-E.

801
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:35,720
You know, that's where.

802
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:36,240
Yeah.

803
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,640
Even at our conventions, one thing about the way

804
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,440
Sister Gwen would minister, it wasn't

805
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,400
like going to a lot of these different streams

806
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:46,720
that we go to.

807
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,720
There was severity in her preaching.

808
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:50,360
Sometimes.

809
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:50,960
Sometimes.

810
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,360
Sometimes hilarity, too.

811
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:53,040
Hilarity.

812
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,840
There was severity.

813
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:59,800
And I remember at the convention one year someone asked me.

814
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,120
It was Thursday.

815
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,240
I said, I'm thinking of going home tomorrow.

816
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,720
And he says, why don't you stay for Friday night?

817
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,520
Because Sister Gwen's speaking.

818
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,160
I remember last year she spoke on Ezekiel's Boneyard.

819
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:15,080
It was the funniest message I ever heard her preach.

820
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,360
And she spoke on Vashti, who lost the position

821
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,800
and anointing on that Friday night.

822
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,760
I thought, well, I hope the lady was here.

823
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,240
Maybe she needed to hear that.

824
00:34:25,240 --> 00:34:26,640
That was the word of the Lord to her.

825
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:31,800
But it was just kind of going through spiritual surgery.

826
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:32,800
And you need that.

827
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,960
Because you need to deal with stuff in your life.

828
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,640
And if you can't deal with it yourself,

829
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,840
sometimes God will have somebody that will point that out to you.

830
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,920
And it's all to make you grow into a better person.

831
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,760
No one likes confrontation or getting your toes stepped on,

832
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,840
maybe.

833
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,640
Kind of like when AT&T says, I'm going to drop a bomb on you.

834
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,440
You have to change your name.

835
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,600
I mean, I know that was a bomb.

836
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,040
It was like, wow, how do we do that?

837
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,040
But God did it.

838
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:03,840
God did it.

839
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:04,880
Yeah.

840
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:11,680
And our Father is so, so loving and so complete in what He does.

841
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,840
What He starts, He finishes.

842
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,640
And sometimes we have to go through some things in the process.

843
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,440
But it's about making new wine.

844
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,120
It's about making the wine of the kingdom.

845
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,160
Jesus said, I'm not going to drink any wine anymore with you

846
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,600
until we drink it together in the kingdom.

847
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,200
And so He is in the process of making the wine of the kingdom.

848
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,080
And it requires the cluster to be together

849
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,760
and to allow ourselves to be crushed.

850
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:44,760
And in the crushing, you mix your juice

851
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,360
with everybody else's juice.

852
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,720
You lose your identity.

853
00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:51,120
And identity is important.

854
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:52,800
I'm not saying it's not important.

855
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,400
But in the grand scheme of things,

856
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,640
it's when we humble ourselves and lose our pride

857
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:04,640
and lose our identity in that way that the Lord's identity

858
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,640
becomes built in us.

859
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,240
And that's really what it's all about.

860
00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:09,800
I agree.

861
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:10,320
I agree.

862
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,920
And I think, too, when you bring everybody together,

863
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,360
everybody has a part.

864
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:16,440
Exactly.

865
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,840
So in fact, some of the wines, some of the better wines

866
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,360
might be mixtures of different flavors if you've ever.

867
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,560
My father loved Alderbury wine.

868
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,120
He didn't ever get drunk on it.

869
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,680
But it had something in it that really helped him

870
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:32,800
when he had colds and all.

871
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,560
He didn't drink it often.

872
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,560
So I would go and get it for him.

873
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,720
And I'd just kind of look through the things,

874
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:40,880
because it was always hard for me to find.

875
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,840
And I marveled at some of the wines

876
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,920
that would put different flavors together and thinking, wow,

877
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,240
I wonder what that would be like.

878
00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:49,400
And I'd think about that with the cluster,

879
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,160
that we have different flavors.

880
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,040
I mean, I think about how exciting it is going to be.

881
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:55,680
And even now, when I go to the nations,

882
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,840
that every tribe and every tongue

883
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,440
will be around the throne.

884
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,120
It's so amazing.

885
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:06,040
So you get that cluster with that tribe and that tongue

886
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,400
and that person or that race, whatever

887
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,520
we're going to call that, and just bring them together.

888
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,760
And how exciting it is to serve the Lord,

889
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,600
to worship the Lord together.

890
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,200
Especially for those listening, you

891
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,360
may be in a nation that this is forbidden,

892
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,080
what you're listening to.

893
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,760
Or if you, because we have those out there

894
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:31,160
that are in different nations that where the gospel is

895
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:32,360
forbidden.

896
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,520
And you just have to really pray the Holy Spirit will,

897
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,320
he'll help you to find the cluster.

898
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:38,880
Yes.

899
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,560
Because when you're led by the Spirit,

900
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:46,200
even in a dangerous place, that he can just lead and guide you

901
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,520
to people, just like you'll just know it.

902
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,040
You can sometimes just see it in their eyes.

903
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:55,080
And I remember seeing something on Facebook a few days ago

904
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,840
or something about this person that was a believer once

905
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,680
and now is not anymore, and this and that.

906
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:01,720
And I looked at her eyes.

907
00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:05,120
I thought, she's just full of darkness.

908
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:09,000
You can look at people and tell what's in them a lot of times.

909
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,560
The Holy Spirit will give you that discernment.

910
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,240
And you have to look for those that you

911
00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:15,160
see the light in their eyes.

912
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:15,680
Yes.

913
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:16,840
And that's the Holy Spirit.

914
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,160
OK, Lord, what kind of a conversation?

915
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:23,080
How can we start this to connect with that person?

916
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,280
Because that'll be, sometimes you

917
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,560
have to create your own cluster.

918
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:29,880
That's true.

919
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,160
And I remember hearing in the days before the Iron Curtain

920
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,480
fell, and you'll find this in China,

921
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,400
you'll find this in places where Christians are persecuted,

922
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:45,400
that it's very dangerous to keep coming back to the same place.

923
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,240
So they won't announce where the meeting is going to be.

924
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:50,600
And you have to hear from the Holy Spirit

925
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,840
as to where you're supposed to be and when.

926
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,480
And that's where you really find your cluster.

927
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,800
You find the people that are flowing,

928
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,560
hearing the same voice that you're hearing.

929
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,000
That's just a whole lot better.

930
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:04,760
Amen.

931
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:11,920
But if you are hearing this podcast and you're being stirred,

932
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,240
maybe you'd like to come to this next convention

933
00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:19,440
over Memorial Day 2025 in St. Louis, Missouri.

934
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,320
We'll have more details coming out

935
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,360
as the details become available.

936
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:29,400
But we are going to include a link to a survey in the show

937
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:29,960
notes.

938
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,680
And it's like three or four questions.

939
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:33,560
Real simple.

940
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,960
But we're looking to find out, are the people out there

941
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,280
who really want to meet, who really

942
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,360
want to meet their cluster?

943
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,000
They've maybe been sheltered, or maybe they've

944
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,000
been isolated in these times.

945
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,520
And they're looking for something.

946
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,240
They're looking for their tribe.

947
00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:53,400
Where are the people that are like me?

948
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,880
Well, if you're being fed by this podcast,

949
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,880
you are probably going to find your tribe

950
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:01,720
when you come to our convention.

951
00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:03,600
And we call it a convention, not a conference,

952
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,400
because we convene together.

953
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:07,960
You convene at a convention.

954
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,160
You confer at a conference.

955
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,600
And we're probably conferring together some.

956
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,320
But it's about convening.

957
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,800
It's about coming together in that cluster,

958
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,840
that we find one another in the spirit,

959
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,280
that we find relationships.

960
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,880
I've been amazed at the relationships that

961
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,040
have been built when people come.

962
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:27,480
They might be all by themselves when

963
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:28,760
they come in the first place.

964
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,000
But then they discover, well, here's

965
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,160
somebody that's like me.

966
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,880
Here's somebody that I can relate to.

967
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,280
And you build relationships.

968
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,280
And these relationships are eternal.

969
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:39,320
Amen.

970
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,880
So Valerie, would you pray for our listeners?

971
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,280
Sure.

972
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,920
Oh, Abba Father, we just love you so much, Lord.

973
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:51,040
And Father, we know and have gotten, even in the business

974
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,240
that I have, Lord, have gotten reports of people

975
00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:57,760
that have been very lonely, veterans, older people, Lord,

976
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,480
some families, Lord.

977
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:05,280
And Father, we want to see your people gather.

978
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,960
You said in your word, we have to, even more so

979
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,600
as the day approaches, Lord.

980
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:11,360
Yes.

981
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,800
You said the new wine is in the cluster, Lord.

982
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:18,080
It's when we get together with all our uniqueness

983
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:23,360
that we birth you in a greater way, in a beautiful way.

984
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,320
Lord, I remember the one prophet that used to say Chuck Flynn.

985
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,720
And he'd say, everybody has a word, but you come together

986
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:31,920
and you have the word.

987
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:36,160
We need people to come with a word, Lord.

988
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,120
We need people to find their tribe, Lord.

989
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:40,680
And Father, we just thank you, Lord,

990
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,840
that we're about going into all the world, as Jesus said,

991
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,520
global outpouring.

992
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,600
Lord, we thank you, Father, for this outpouring that's coming.

993
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,760
And Lord, we need to be strengthened.

994
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,840
We need to be inebriated in some way, Lord God,

995
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,560
so that all old things fall away.

996
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,600
And the new comes, Lord God.

997
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,360
And that, Father, we can minister in love

998
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:09,000
and in healing, deliverance, in worship with one another,

999
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,800
Lord God, as we gather.

1000
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,560
Father, we just pray, Lord, for everyone

1001
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,520
that's listening that needs a friend, that needs a person,

1002
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,040
that needs a cluster, that needs to find their tribe,

1003
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,000
that you would open the door for that, Lord.

1004
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,280
And that, Father, we close the door to anybody coming

1005
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,680
that would bring harm to them, Father God.

1006
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,120
And Lord, we just bless everyone listening.

1007
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,240
We bless everyone that came at this convention, Lord God.

1008
00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:36,840
They came, and people at the end said,

1009
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,720
I'm ready to go back now.

1010
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:41,560
Where I'm going to work, where I'm going to be,

1011
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:45,320
where I'm going to pray, and do the next thing.

1012
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,680
So, Lord, we came together and we got encouraged.

1013
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,280
And we got confirmation.

1014
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:56,080
And Lord, we got your presence that will carry us through.

1015
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,560
So, Father, we just bless you most of all.

1016
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,240
And we thank you, Lord, for who you are,

1017
00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:03,880
and that you're uniting your body, Lord,

1018
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,600
that we need each other.

1019
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,800
And it's through your body, Lord God,

1020
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,800
that the kingdom will come through your church, Lord God,

1021
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,040
through your bride.

1022
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,960
The kingdom will come, Lord God, on the earth.

1023
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,200
And it's that kingdom that's going to change things, Lord God.

1024
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,600
It's your government that will change things, Lord God.

1025
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,600
And so we love you and we bless you,

1026
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,880
and we bless all those listening,

1027
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,080
and those that are going to find us,

1028
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,640
and that we're going to be a part of their cluster, Lord.

1029
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:31,480
Yes.

1030
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,800
We just thank you, in Jesus' name, amen.

1031
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:34,640
Amen.

1032
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:35,480
Amen.

1033
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:40,480
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1034
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,040
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1035
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,520
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1036
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,320
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1037
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1038
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,640
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1039
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,400
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1040
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,160
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1041
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,880
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1042
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,720
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1043
00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:08,200
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1044
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,880
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1045
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,320
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1046
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,640
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1047
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