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I was just so distraught.
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And I shook my fist at God.
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That's the way I call it.
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I was angry.
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I said, how come he couldn't protect my son?
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And I remember asking God, I said, why my son?
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And I heard a still voice say, why my son?
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God promises in Joel 2, 28 to pour out His Spirit on all humanity.
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Welcome to Global Outpouring, where we contend for that promised outpouring.
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We equip for that outpouring so that we may engage in that very outpouring.
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I'm Philip Bus.
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And I'm Sharon Bus.
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Welcome to the podcast today.
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We have a wonderful follow-up from last week's episode.
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Only this time we have with us Phyllis Cameron, and she is going to share testimonies of what
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the Lord has done in her life in terms of breaking through and contending in praise.
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Thank you so much for joining us today.
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We are so delighted that you have tuned in and we have a wonderful podcast ahead that
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you're going to really be blessed by and really gain some strength.
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You're going to gain something that you can work with for contending, contending for the
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outpouring, contending for God's purposes in your life, contending for the things that
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He's put on your heart, the promises that He's given you, even in disappointments, you're
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going to find that He is there.
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But before we get started, I want to encourage you, if you haven't already done so, to go
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to our website, globaloutpouring.net, and make sure that you have subscribed to our
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email list so that we can stay in touch with you.
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And we would love to hear from you if you want to send us some feedback.
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There's a feedback form on that website, globaloutpouring.net.
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And you can also email us at feedback at globaloutpouring.org.
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And while you're on our website, you can look at our bookstore.
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It's got some amazing things in it.
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Look at our blogs.
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We've been writing things for a long time that might help you to grow.
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We want to help equip you so that you can participate in this outpouring as it is growing,
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as it is coming from the Lord on all flesh.
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It's coming.
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It's coming.
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It's coming bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger.
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It's already here in some degree, but it's getting bigger.
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And we are contending for that.
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And we're going to talk some more today about contending in praise with our guest, Phyllis
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Cameron.
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Phyllis, thank you so much for joining us.
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We're so grateful that you're with us.
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I am so blessed to be here with you to share what God has done through me in completing
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us.
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Yes.
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Amen.
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Amen.
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And we love having you with us at our conventions.
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We just had a convention recently and you were with us and you're an amazing musician.
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When did you start your musical training or your musical activity?
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Well, I started when I was nine.
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In fact, okay, my landmark is when I was nine years old, I played Christ the Lord is Risen
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Today on Easter Sunday.
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Wow.
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Nine years old.
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Through all the tears and the wet keys, I was so shy.
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So shy.
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I was so shy.
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And it just bloomed into something that took me to schools and churches and concerts and
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all kinds of things all over the country.
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So you're an accomplished pianist.
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Yes.
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My training, actually I had a personal teacher.
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From there I went to Southern Connecticut State University.
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I majored in special education, but my minor was music.
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But then when I came to Michigan, I studied at both piano and organ at Tyndale College
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and Wayne State University.
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And I got scholarships.
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And so being trained first in church and then as a classical musician.
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So I go through all of the box and all of the music that we had to.
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And so at Tyndale College, which is a Christian college, I studied music as I got a major
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in piano performance.
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So that was sound.
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And that opened up a lot of doors, being able to read music as well as being able to pick
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up music by ear and write music.
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Amen.
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And you play a mean organ too.
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That's a Pentecostal church.
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Yes, there's a certain sound that I love.
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I love it when you just cut loose and bring that sound.
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I haven't really cut loose yet.
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You give me the okay.
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I know.
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I feel like you've been holding back on us.
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I really want you to cut loose next time.
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And there is a next time.
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Let's just talk about it.
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We are planning to have our convention 2025, which will actually be our 50th gathering,
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our 50th annual gathering.
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And that's very significant.
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It's like a Jubilee.
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And I had someone tell me recently and I kind of looked it up and it seems that there are
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at least some scholars who interpret the, what do they call it?
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The Essene calendar.
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The Essene are the people that were in the community that created the Dead Sea Scrolls.
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And they had their own calendar that is very unique.
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And according to their calendar and according to the scholars who are studying their calendar,
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I'm not saying that this is that for sure, but there is some discussion that 2025 brings
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the beginning of the last Jubilee.
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Oh, wow.
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So that's pretty interesting.
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Very, very, very interesting.
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So anyway, we're planning to have this convention May 22nd through 25th in St. Louis.
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We're still working on exactly where it's going to be, but it'll be in the vicinity
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as far as we know, it will be in the vicinity of the airport in St. Louis.
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So we're hoping that everyone is going to get on board and join us for this.
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So if you've never attended any of our events, this is going to be an easier one for you
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to get to.
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And we expect that Phyllis will be there and she's going to cut loose and really, really
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give us who she is in the Keys.
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I know that you're going to an event in Philadelphia soon.
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And can you just tell us just a little bit about that?
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Because I was intrigued when you were telling us about it when you were with us.
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Well, yes, it's called the Convention of Gospel Choirs and Choruses.
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The website is National Convention of Gospel Choirs and Choruses, NCCGC.
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And they're in their 90th some odd year and it originated by the man who wrote Precious
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Lord, Take My Hand, Thomas Dorsey.
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And it's not the same as Tommy Dorsey of the big band.
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No, no.
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It's somebody else.
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This is Thomas Dorsey, the African American man from Chicago.
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Okay.
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And he used to be a jazz blues man.
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And his story is that what happened, he got the message that his wife had died and his
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child in travel.
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And that's how that song was birthed.
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So when I was a teenager, I was playing in churches and we would go to a convention every
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year that was held.
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And this was African American.
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It started out that way.
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Churches, gospel music.
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I mean, a lot of the gospel music we hear from the, you know, Wynons and all that, there's
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so many names now.
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It originated from there.
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And we would write songs all week long.
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We would bring songs and we would write them.
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And people would come from different states and we would rehearse.
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And there were also times that we would have ministers speaking, teaching soloist bureaus,
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children ministry, and youth.
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And then on Friday night, we would have this huge concert and it got so large that we had
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to have it in the largest hotels.
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In fact, it's still that way today.
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Okay.
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So the first week in August is when this will be convening in Philadelphia and they go from
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state to state.
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In fact, my son, who I'll talk about later, there's a video that they show on television
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every year around black history time called Say Amen Somebody.
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It is the story of Thomas Dorsey and my son, who I'll talk about later, there's a part
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there where he's only, I think about two or three years old and he was always a drummer
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that he was playing drums at too.
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And he came up to Thomas Dorsey and Thomas Dorsey and the lady that worked with him,
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they were talking to him and I captured, it's on video now.
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It's all on video.
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Sweet.
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Yeah.
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So that's what we're planning to go.
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Yes.
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Beautiful.
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Beautiful.
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So while we're discussing this, you mentioned something about a large choir that you were
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conducting.
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How large was that choir?
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Well, there was a song that I wrote.
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Okay, the choir at that particular time, now things have changed a lot and I think the
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choir is down to like three to 500 people.
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Down to?
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Yes.
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Yeah, because they held it in Detroit and I was here in Detroit and the choir was only
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about 350, but they had different choirs.
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They had choirs, there were youth choirs, mass choirs.
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So I wrote a song, 82, called Promises.
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It's on sheet music.
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People have used it from London, England, because it's traveled now in the islands.
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And the name of that song is called Promises.
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And actually that's the prophetic word that God gave me, not knowing what I was going
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to face later.
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Oh, wow.
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That word, Promises, so we write the sheet music out and then we distribute and people
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would buy it.
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I think that at that time my song, Promises, was a dollar for the sheet music.
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Yeah, back in the day when sheet music was inexpensive.
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Exactly.
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So, you know, everybody bought it because they were becoming a part of the workshop
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and they wanted to sing in the choir and we taught it.
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So that particular choir on that Friday night, and they would do what they call march in.
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They would play music and they would march in and fill up that whole front of the hotel.
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And that night it was 800 voices.
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And it was so many of them, I had to conduct it on top of a ladder.
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So I had to step up a ladder.
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Yeah, it was a sight to see.
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So now Dr. Gentry is the president of the National Convention of Gospel Choirs and Choruses.
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And before her, it was Bishop Kenneth Moles, whom people know in African American churches,
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wrote the song called the Yes Anthem.
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Not the yes, yes, yes, yes.
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And then they were going to this praise, praise, praise.
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And so he took it over for many years and he and I worked together in Connecticut.
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And then before him was Thomas Dorsey, who was the founder of the convention.
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Still going on, very strong.
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They'll be there from all over the world now.
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Just in America, they've come from all over.
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Yes.
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Wow.
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Shaking the rafters.
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Oh, yes.
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Oh, yes.
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Remember, that's what praise does from what we talked about last week in the last episode.
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Praise cuts through the darkness.
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Praise drills holes in that dark atmosphere between us and heaven that's trying to keep
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the glory from coming down.
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And when we get our praise going up, it brings the glory down.
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Yes, it does.
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Hallelujah.
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Yes, it does.
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So you have alluded to it, but let's go there right now about how you had a tragedy in your
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life and the Lord gave you a key.
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So can you just tell us what happened and how long ago was this?
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Well, actually, my son was born and by time he was nine months old, he was going into
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the hospital for asthma.
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By time he was five years old in Children's Hospital in Michigan, they had said by time
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he was five years old, he had 100 hospitalizations.
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Oh my goodness.
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Not only 100 hospitalizations, I think by the time he was 13, he had been intubated
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13 times.
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Oh my goodness.
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Atmos, he's on life support.
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In fact, one of the life supports was the Lord had made a promise to me that he would
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not die of asthma.
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I stood on that word and I would pray.
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So that's what developed my prayer ministry or life because I would be in McDonald Houses,
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Ronald McDonald Houses.
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In fact, he stayed in Philadelphia in Children's Hospital for a year, in Denver Hospital for
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a year, the University of Michigan for a year.
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So I would travel and he would be on life support trying to get to the root of it, which
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I know now this was spiritual.
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That was a spiritual attack against him.
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Wow.
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And what was his name?
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Jermaine.
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Jermaine.
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Jermaine was also my drummer.
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When I would travel and play, he was so little because he had been pumped with so many steroids
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from having asthma attacks.
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It stunted his growth, the mess with his bones, the mess with his eyes.
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But he had so much joy and he would play those drums and people would shout, talking about
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praise.
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He was the one would bring the praise in.
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So Jermaine was my firstborn.
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I have three other sons.
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They're doing very well in life, but Jermaine was my firstborn.
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And he had asthma that bad that they just tried everything with him.
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And so for years I prayed.
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And so it was in 2004, he was attending a church with me playing drums.
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In fact, I remember we went to this church and he received the baptism of the Holy Spirit
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with speaking in tongues.
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And not only that, but he was prophesying to me.
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I was just sharing the word about how the last thing he spoke to me was through Luke
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18.
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He said, Mom, be like the unrighteous judge.
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And the lady that kept on bugging him never stopped praying until he avenged his elect.
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And he was just preaching to me.
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It was during that time in 2004, he says, I want to have my own apartment.
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And he left for me and he went-
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How old was he?
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Yeah, how old was he?
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So he was 27.
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So I jumped to make the story quick because all the hospitalizations and things, in fact,
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the Detroit newspaper did a story on him when he was in Philadelphia in the hospital, front
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page color newspaper, reporters came to me and they said, how is he surviving this?
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And I told him it was prayer.
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Yeah.
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13 times on life support.
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And I have this, a newspaper article on it still with me.
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So I mean, in fact, someone came from Australia and did an audio interview with me when they
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saw the story.
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So one time Jermaine literally had a, he was not breathing and we were at the elevator
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and the elevator wouldn't come down and they're pumping with a hand pump.
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They're pumping to try to keep the air going in him.
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So they're running upstairs to where they had better facility, pumping air in him.
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Oh Lord.
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So they said, listen, they're working on him in the room.
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They came out and told me he's gone, let him go.
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I said, I busted through there and I laid on him and I said, no, God told me, he promised
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me he would not die of asthma.
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Wow.
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I must tell this story because I think it's very important.
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People hear this.
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Yes.
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And so I prayed for him and I prayed for him and my husband was there at the time.
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And then all of a sudden Jermaine, he was about 12.
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He jumped back to us and some of the nurses were so scared they ran out the room.
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When he came to, he said, mom, that boy was there real weak.
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And I remember reading something when people come back, you have to give them water and
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give them something to eat.
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I remember that he was 12 years old.
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And I said, so they did that.
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And I said, Jermaine, what are you talking about?
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He said, that boy, well see a boy around the corner from our home in Detroit had got shot
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and killed.
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And he said, people, Jermaine was saying people were falling, scratching and screaming in
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this place where he saw.
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And that boy was there and the boy told him when he was out, go tell my mother, don't
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come here.
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For years, now he was 12, even up until he was in his 20s.
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I said, Jermaine, did you go back and tell the boy about the vision or whatever you saw
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when you was gone, that you saw people falling, scratching and screaming and the boy told
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you to tell his mother, don't come here?
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I shared this in my testimonies, especially with children, young people who think it's
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glamorous to be hanging out.
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And I remember this one child asked me in a classroom, because I was talking about in
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a Christian school that I was teaching at, oh, what about the scratching?
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What about the scratching?
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What does that mean?
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And I didn't know at first, I went home and the Lord opened up a word that showed me about
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a worm that does not die.
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I came back and told them, because I could talk to Christian children like that.
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But this was some of the experiences I had.
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So in 2004, he said, Mom, I want to go back and get my own apartment.
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And there was in the street where he was living, there was some kind of ruckus with somebody
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was in disagreement with somebody else.
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He didn't even know them.
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These people came by and shot up like a drive by shooting and shot five people out of the
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five people.
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He was one of the three that died.
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Wow.
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Wow.
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It was a long road to go through the court system.
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I was telling Sister Sharon and Brother Philip about what happened when I went to two of
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the court cases, how God's hand was in all of it.
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So he passed June 29th, 2004.
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In fact, it was just a couple of days after I went to see him in the hospital, because
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he had an asthma attack and he was supposed to be at a concert with me.
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I was doing a concert with two choirs, praise and worship.
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And he was supposed to play, but he didn't show.
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And I went to go see him and I anointed him, prayed for him.
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That was on a Sunday, yeah, because it was right after the service.
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Monday, I got this call in the middle of the night.
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Now at first, it was such a shock because I couldn't understand after all I went through
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to keep him alive, how can this happen?
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All of the near death experiences, all the traveling, all the...
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I remember getting one of his hospital bills.
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I just looked at it.
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One was $100,000.
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I said, I can't pay this.
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I just put it down.
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All the money that was spent to keep him alive and for that to happen.
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Now through all of it, I was praying, I was leading praise and worship in churches and
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I was teaching and God was able to sustain me through it.
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But sometimes you don't realize how much God is keeping you and you're operating on another
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level of...
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When I look back at it, I said, that wasn't even natural, all that travel.
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And I had two other children as well.
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So when he passed, the news came to my house because it was such a big story in the city.
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And so it was a newspaper and the funeral was just amazing because I knew so many churches
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in the area and the church that I did the concert with, they came and they sang.
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People were praising God.
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Oh my God.
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It was actually one big praise celebration.
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One of the things I told them was, I heard the spirit of God say, I have him.
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Hallelujah.
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I got him.
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And all that mattered was that God had his soul.
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The flesh didn't matter.
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Plus he was suffering so much.
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In fact, the night he was passing, my son, Philip and I was going to get him to bring
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him to another doctor's appointment because they thought they saw some kind of cancer.
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He had weakened, his bones were weak from so much steroids and he kept breaking his
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bones.
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His eyes were popping.
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He was so small.
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He looked like the size of a maybe six-year-old from being hospitalized so much.
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But you talk about with an infectious laugh.
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I mean, anybody that was around him.
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So he drew a lot of people, a lot of young people.
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In fact, I do want to share this and Sister Sharon, you can tell me when to move on from
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this, but I had a dream and he was right there with me when I had the dream.
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The dream was about a month.
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In the dream was a huge auditorium and all these young people were there.
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And there was a casket in the front of, I believe it was a church.
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And the people would run down to the casket and touch it and run back.
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Then a newspaper reporter came up to me and said, what do you think about this?
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Well, I actually didn't know because I didn't see the person in the casket.
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That was my son because that's exactly what happened.
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I told people about the dream.
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They say, yeah, but I didn't see the person in the casket.
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And the interviewer was asking me about, what do you think about all these young people?
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And there were a lot of young people because he affected so many young people in churches
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with playing drums, with his beautiful personality.
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I was very, very angry and very distraught and literally almost out of my mind.
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All I told them, I just want you to please just bring me back to Connecticut.
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That's where I'm originally from.
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To the point I almost forgot about my youngest son, almost left him at the hospital after
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I viewed his body.
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I was just so distraught and I shook my fist at God.
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That's the way I call it.
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I was angry.
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I said, how come you couldn't protect my son?
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And I remember asking God, I said, why my son?
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And I heard a still voice say, why my son?
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I'll never forget that because that stopped me for a few days of grieving because it turned
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my attention.
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So that was what happened with Jermaine.
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I know he's with the Lord.
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I know without a doubt.
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He accepted the Lord Jesus.
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He was filled with the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
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The Lord allowed him to come and stay with me without being sick or anything like that
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for a few months.
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And then when he left, this thing happened.
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And the Lord said, I have it.
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So I asked God, I said, what am I going to do now?
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What am I going to do?
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I had no strength.
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And it reminded me of the scripture he gave me in Psalms 137.
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In Psalms 137, I felt just like these that were in captivity.
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Psalms 136, by the rivers of Babylon, there we set ye we wept when we remembered Zion.
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I felt like I was in Babylon.
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In fact, people were so hurt by it.
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They didn't know what to say.
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And a lot of people just left me alone.
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They didn't call.
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It was just, it was weird.
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No one called me.
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No one came.
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They kept and dropped things at my doorstep, but I was totally alone.
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I don't know why people after the big funeral and all the people come, but then I think
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they just didn't know what to say.
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I think that's what it is.
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People have no idea.
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We heard that on a...
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So then it says, by the rivers of Babylon there we set yet we wept when we remembered
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Zion.
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We hung up our harps upon the willows in the midst of it.
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There those who carried us away captive.
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And that's just the way I felt like I was captive in this.
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In fact, I saw a bubble around me.
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I believe it was a protective bubble when I was at the funeral.
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People wouldn't come past a certain place with me.
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They would stand afar and they'd say, I'm sorry.
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It's like...
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And I said, Lord, what was that?
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And he says, like, if they would come to you and hug you, their grief would be transferred
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to you.
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So I just kept you like in this bubble.
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That's interesting.
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And so it says in verse three, for there those who carried us away captive asked of us a
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song and those who plundered us requested mirth, saying, come on, sing us one of those
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Zion songs.
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But verse four said, how shall we sing the Lord's song in a foreign land?
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And that's the way I felt like it.
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Those Zion songs.
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Yeah.
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How can we sing Zion songs in a strange or foreign land?
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And that's where I felt this land, I had never visited this kind of thing before.
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Yes, my father passed, but this was something different.
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And I felt like I was in captivity.
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So that question came to me.
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So what are you going to do now?
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You're going to hang up your harp?
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You're going to stop playing and worshiping?
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And I said, Lord, how can I sing Zion songs in this strange land?
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So I said, Lord, what shall I do?
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He said, I want you to sing.
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I want you to praise.
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Where I was living at, there was a clubhouse and the lady opened it up to me that I was
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able to go there, bring my keyboard.
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And being a music teacher, I had all these different instruments, recorders, little drums
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and sticks.
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I got the children starting first with the children in the neighborhood.
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And I would just worship and praise God until I threw my tears several months.
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I didn't work for three years.
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I just couldn't.
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I just couldn't.
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It was interesting because I was also minister of music at a church.
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They released me.
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I was music teacher at a Christian school.
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They let me go.
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It was just me, the Lord, my little worshipers.
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And we just praised God until he brought other people.
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And we just worshiped.
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And we just, that's what healed me.
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That's what kept me that I'm able to exist today because I really did not want to live.
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I had been through so much for 27 years.
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He was 27 years old from the time he was born for 27 years, 100 times by time he was five,
491
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13 life supports.
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Philadelphia, Denver, Connecticut, Michigan, living in the hospital to travel.
493
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Okay.
494
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I can give an IV.
495
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,440
I can give EpiPens, machines.
496
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Okay.
497
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,600
Because I had been dealing with it so much.
498
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So I believe now as I sat back and looked at it, I said, Lord, you isolated me and you
499
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took care of me yourself.
500
00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:37,480
And so in fact, someone spoke that to me.
501
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,960
He said, the Lord will literally take care of you himself.
502
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,920
And he did send this one woman whom I'm ever indebted to.
503
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:45,920
She came to me.
504
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She drove me to get groceries.
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00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,060
She came and she sat down and I'm still with her today.
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00:27:52,060 --> 00:27:55,600
She just was there for me because she can see that look in my eye, like I don't want
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to do anything.
508
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,920
She stuck with me, Kay Sousa.
509
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:05,520
I have to say her name because she's going to be celebrating with me with my birthday.
510
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,160
But there were others that were dropped by occasionally, but for the most part, the Lord
511
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just kept me to himself until we gathered for praise.
512
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:17,960
And when we pray, I pray that gave glory to God and just glorified his name.
513
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,480
The main thing was I knew that God had him.
514
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,160
That was the only reason I could praise him.
515
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,440
And I said, Lord, not only do you have him, but no more suffering.
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No more being hooked up to IVs.
517
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No more me going up in the middle of the night when he's two and three and four years old
518
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and see blood coming all because the IV he pulled out or somebody didn't take.
519
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I said, no more of that.
520
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No more.
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Because I know for a fact there is life after this.
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00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:54,040
So when I resolve with that, no more suffering, God has got his soul and that's all that matters.
523
00:28:54,040 --> 00:29:00,120
And you're going to give him a new body, a new body, and you promise me I'm going to
524
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,120
see him again.
525
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,600
You promised me.
526
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,660
And I know that for a fact.
527
00:29:04,660 --> 00:29:05,960
So that was my story.
528
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:11,980
There's a whole lot more with it, but that was my story of much contending prior to his
529
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death in prayer.
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00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,080
People would pray because they knew churches, how sick he would be.
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They would be in prayer with me.
532
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,120
Okay.
533
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:21,400
Take an authority over this asthma.
534
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:26,240
And I'm telling you, the thing that this asthma, I found that a lot of it comes from the spirit
535
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:27,640
of fear.
536
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:32,440
And now I'm able to identify it when I see it in children or adults.
537
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:33,440
Okay.
538
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:38,120
And I can go to the root and pray over it because I know, okay, where it's going to
539
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,120
weak lungs.
540
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:44,480
And so I gained a lot of experience going through that with him.
541
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:45,480
And I thank God.
542
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:53,000
I thank God now that I have now been able to contend in that area and identify with
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00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,880
those who have experienced the death of a loved one, especially when you've been living
544
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:03,000
with them for years, trying to bring them to recovery and then losing the child.
545
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,440
I have many young mothers and mothers that have lost children.
546
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,560
And I've had to minister to them.
547
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:09,560
Yes.
548
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,160
And you could minister out of your experience.
549
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:18,760
You know, so many times we don't see it while we're going through it.
550
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:24,720
But once we get to the other side of whatever it is that God takes us through, it gives
551
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,960
us authority to help others.
552
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:28,960
Absolutely.
553
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,200
So you're contending in prayer.
554
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,120
You're contending in praise and worship.
555
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,440
Really it brought life back to you.
556
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,280
When your son died, part of you died.
557
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:39,360
Oh yeah.
558
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,320
And not only me, but my other sons.
559
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:47,120
Even to this day, something happened just the other day with one of my sons.
560
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:52,080
He just went back there and he never got a chance to grieve.
561
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,080
And he sobbed.
562
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:54,600
I mean, he sobbed.
563
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,240
I had to hold him and he's like a grown man.
564
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,200
They still love their brother.
565
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,200
Absolutely.
566
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:02,200
And he just grieved.
567
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,000
I said, come on, get it out, get it out.
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Because you were so young.
569
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You don't remember.
570
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,600
But this was Michael.
571
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,320
He would draw pictures of him playing drums, Jermaine playing drums.
572
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And he would talk about his brother.
573
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:19,400
Even on the day, a year later that he passed, we were in California going to see my other
574
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,800
son become a Marine drill instructor.
575
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:23,800
And we were in the airport.
576
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:28,840
And around the time he passed, this sounds unusual, but I didn't want to travel on that
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day.
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00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:34,240
June 29th, there have been times when I was someplace and I just had to go home.
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00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,520
I didn't want to be around people.
580
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,360
Or his birthday was October 20th.
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I didn't want to.
582
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,440
I had broken down in school, had to go to talk to the principal and say, I gotta go.
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00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,360
I've overcome all of that.
584
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:51,160
But on this day, little Michael must be about five, six years old.
585
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,280
He must have been going on six because it was a year later.
586
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,320
On the day that he got shot, he says, mommy, I smell Jermaine.
587
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Do you smell Jermaine?
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00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,000
Oh, that's so sweet.
589
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,680
It was on June 29th and we were in the airport.
590
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:12,360
And Francisco leaving, I'm saying, oh my, his spirit was so strong.
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00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,160
Oh my God.
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00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,520
It was so strong.
593
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:20,800
I know that people have shared how their loved ones have come leaving their death.
594
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,720
But yes, we've had several of those experiences.
595
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:25,720
Beautiful.
596
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:30,960
You know, Dean Braxton talks about how we grieve because we were never meant to be separated.
597
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:31,960
Yes.
598
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,520
You know, it's sin that has caused death.
599
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,360
And you know, there wasn't any death before sin.
600
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:46,600
So you know, it's just part of this broken planet and broken mankind that causes grief.
601
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:47,720
It causes death.
602
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,000
Sin causes death.
603
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,040
We know that from the scripture.
604
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,120
And death causes grief.
605
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,060
And we were never meant to have death.
606
00:32:56,060 --> 00:32:59,240
We were never meant to have sin rule.
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00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:05,080
Thank God for Jesus Christ who redeems us and makes it possible for us to be reunited
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00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,080
forever.
609
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,080
Amen.
610
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,080
Hallelujah.
611
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:09,080
Thank you.
612
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:14,240
We have all of heaven ahead of us, all of eternity ahead of us, and God has purposes
613
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,240
for us for all of eternity.
614
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:24,360
So I'm just convinced that this life is like a boot camp and somehow preparation for something
615
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:29,800
that's going to take place in our cooperation with the Lord for eternity.
616
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,920
And the relationships that we build here are for eternity.
617
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:33,920
Amen.
618
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:34,920
Amen.
619
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:40,720
So you know, Jermaine will be accompanying you on the worship team in heaven.
620
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:41,720
Oh, no doubt.
621
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:42,720
Yes, yes, yes.
622
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,320
And someone had sent me a prophetic letter and gave it to me at the funeral that they
623
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,320
saw Jermaine.
624
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,600
I forgot about this.
625
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,600
A young lady, she's very prophetic.
626
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,840
She gave me a letter I still hold today.
627
00:33:54,840 --> 00:34:00,800
She said that Jermaine is playing drums in heaven that he had already passed.
628
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:05,840
And the spirit of Jermaine will come into Michael and he will be playing drums.
629
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,480
And he does.
630
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,040
Boy, you haven't really heard Michael play.
631
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,440
Michael plays with me on Sunday.
632
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,040
And Michael said that he was thinking about moving to another place that passed it.
633
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,560
I thought he was going to have a heart attack because Michael builds up that service with
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00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,880
those drums, those beats.
635
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:24,880
Yes.
636
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:25,880
Wow.
637
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,920
The scripture says, except a grain of wheat fall on the ground and die.
638
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,080
I didn't understand, but I see the fruit.
639
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:40,320
I see the fruit of that life, what it has brought forth, even in me.
640
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,320
Yeah.
641
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:48,000
Well, it takes you into that kind of experience where you have such pain and such grief, takes
642
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:55,480
you into a new place in God, a deeper place, a place where you have to meet him at a deeper
643
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,200
level in order to survive.
644
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:03,120
Well, you said it, in order to survive, because nobody else could help you.
645
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,720
No one's words could soothe you.
646
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:08,080
I didn't take any medication or anything like that.
647
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,840
I just went, as they say, cold turkey.
648
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,160
Some people said, why don't you go to the doctors and get something?
649
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,480
I said, I couldn't even respond to them.
650
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,480
I just wanted to go home.
651
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:25,640
Like you said, it was the spirit of God that allowed me to survive that because I had met
652
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:33,640
some other young women that they are totally incapacitated when their child was lost, totally.
653
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:38,280
So would you pray for our listeners?
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00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:44,260
And listener, if you know someone who is going through grief like this, would you share this?
655
00:35:44,260 --> 00:35:48,280
Would you please share this with the people who need to hear this?
656
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:54,760
Because this testimony of overcoming and contending through praise to be able to overcome and
657
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,840
break through, this can help somebody else.
658
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:03,400
And maybe you listener are one of those people that needed to hear this.
659
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,660
So Sister Phyllis, would you please pray for our listeners and pray for those that they
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00:36:07,660 --> 00:36:10,480
know and love as they're going through things?
661
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,600
So maybe the thing that you're going through isn't the death of a loved one, but maybe
662
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,180
you're going through something that is very difficult.
663
00:36:18,180 --> 00:36:19,640
Maybe you've been deeply wounded.
664
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,440
Maybe you've been traumatized by something.
665
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:29,360
These will bring you to a place of breakthrough because you are dealing with, you are connecting
666
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,120
with the source of life.
667
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,060
You're connecting with the one who gave you life in the first place.
668
00:36:36,060 --> 00:36:42,840
And as you praise him, it allows his grace and his glory and his presence to come into
669
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,920
you and bring that healing.
670
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,440
So would you please pray for our listeners?
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00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,920
Father, we just thank you.
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00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,560
And we praise you and we glorify your name.
673
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,040
For you truly are wonderful.
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00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:02,720
Father, I thank you for your loving kindness this morning or this afternoon or whenever
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00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:05,280
someone is listening to this broadcast.
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00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:11,640
Father, we want to lift up your name and to say for thine, oh God, is the greatness and
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00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:17,040
the power and the glory and the dominion all belongs to you, Father.
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00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,160
We thank you, oh God, hallelujah.
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00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:27,000
For we thank you, Lord Jesus, for your great mercy to all that we're suffering through
680
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,000
right now.
681
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,600
We thank you for your great love right now.
682
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:39,760
Father, I pray in the name of Jesus that you would extend out your hands of comfort to
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00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:44,200
those that are experiencing the pain that goes so deep.
684
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,760
There's not even any words.
685
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:51,280
You just sit in the place and you're just there, but you just can't even connect with
686
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,480
anyone because it's too deep, the suffering.
687
00:37:54,480 --> 00:38:02,200
But Father, you, oh God, as we've been reading here recently, the deep calls unto deep.
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00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:03,200
Yes.
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00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:11,200
Oh God, the deepness of the pain that we might be suffering will call quite out to the deepness
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00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,320
of your love.
691
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,000
Because your love us so much, Father, that we know it right well.
692
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:22,280
We know despite what we're going through, it was what we are going through, that Father,
693
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,560
one thing that does not fail is your love.
694
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:32,280
And I pray in the name of Jesus that you would, oh God, pour out your love right now.
695
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:38,240
Send the angels of love and just put like a warm blanket, like I experienced you doing
696
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:45,640
for me around those that are experiencing tragedy, experiencing pain, experiencing the
697
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:50,760
loss of a loved one, experiencing the loss of income, and they don't know what they're
698
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:51,760
going to do.
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00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:57,280
But Father, you see it, oh God, and I pray, Lord, that you would bring comfort and that
700
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:02,400
you would bring, oh God, that still small voice to give them what to do.
701
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:03,400
Yes.
702
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:04,400
To hear your voice.
703
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:05,400
Yes, Lord.
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00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:06,400
Your Father.
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00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:07,400
Of direction.
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00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:08,400
Of voice.
707
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:09,400
Yes, Lord.
708
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,920
Like you've spoken to me so many times, there's a voice in the midst of the pain that we can
709
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:19,440
hear that will give us comfort to just rest in you.
710
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,860
I thank you, Lord God, for the spirit of rest even today.
711
00:39:23,860 --> 00:39:31,400
You said, come unto me, all ye that labor and have elated, and I will give you rest.
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00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:32,680
Take my yoke upon you.
713
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:33,680
Thank you, Jesus.
714
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,000
And learn of me.
715
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,680
So Father, I thank you today, Lord, that you would drive them to your word.
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00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:46,800
Father, I pray that you'd raise up those that have physical hands of comfort to meet the
717
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:52,560
needs of those, your children, that can go to homes and go to people that are grieving
718
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:57,480
or going through something and be your angels of light to them today.
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In Jesus' name, we thank you how you're going to deliver us through all this, out of captivity,
720
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out of Babylon, and we're going to sing Zion's songs of praise.
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And we thank you for that.
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00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,720
In Jesus' name, amen.
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Amen.
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And God bless you with His overwhelming, loving presence.