(259) "Following the Leading of the Holy Spirit" with Claren and Nancy McQueen

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We're carrying the glory. We don't have to pray

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the glory down. We don't have to do, you know,

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yes, of course, it's wonderful to fast. It's

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wonderful to sing praises and get to that place

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where you expect God's glory. But really, we

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can expect God's glory all the time. God promises

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in Joel 2 .28 to pour out His Spirit. on all

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humanity. Welcome to Global Outpouring, where

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we contend for that promised outpouring, we equip

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for that outpouring, so that we may engage in

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that very outpouring. I'm Philip Buss. And I'm

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Sharon Buss. Welcome to the podcast today. We're

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so happy that you're with us. We have with us

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today our dear friends of, oh, probably three

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decades or more, Clarence and Nancy McQueen.

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who are amazing musicians. Claren leads worship

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in our conventions and around the world in various

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places. He has quite a history. And we're going

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to talk today about following the leading of

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the Holy Spirit as we move and walk with God.

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Thank you so much for joining us today. This

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is going to be a podcast you're going to enjoy.

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you, if you haven't already done so, that you

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see the events that we have coming up. Most especially,

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there's Convention 2025. It is going to be an

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amazing time to be together. Claren and Nancy

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McQueen will be there. among others, many others

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that will be a part of the worship team leading

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in deep, deep connection with the Lord. And the

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speakers that we have coming, Pastor Tony Camp

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and Dean Braxton and Siggy Oblander, Jeff Simons

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and Jean Little and myself. And we're going to

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have an amazing time in the presence of the Lord.

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We know that this is a place for people to connect,

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to go deeper with God and to go closer and to

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make relationships that are going to last for

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eternity. And just get fresh orders from the

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Lord. There's people from many nations that are

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going to be with us, and it'll be a wonderful

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time. We encourage you, if you haven't ever been

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to one, or if you have, come and see what God

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is going to do in your life. It's a family event.

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Bring your children. We've got a nursery for

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the little ones and special meetings for the

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children and the youth. And they're all going

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to get something special from the Lord and grow

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in the Lord. So please, please, please. consider

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coming to this convention. Ask the Lord to make

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a way for you. We're so happy to have Clarence

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and Nancy with us. Thank you so much for joining

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us today. It's our gift. We're very blessed to

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be able to talk to you. Well, we love you both.

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And wow, I was trying to figure out how long

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that we've known each other, probably 30 years

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or so. Yeah, 1991, I believe in Florida. More

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than 30 years. We were part of Clarence Choir,

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I think. Not that we went there intending to.

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Yeah, we came to run the book table. We ended

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up in the choir. That was fun. It was. I just

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have to amend that. It really wasn't Clarence

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Choir. It was the Christian Embassy's choir.

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Oh, well. Okay. Okay. Well, we were delighted

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to get to play along, sing along. Glory to God.

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So you've been one of our worship leaders at

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the convention for many years, too. We didn't

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start out that part. quite that many years ago,

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but quite a few years ago. How long have you

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been doing conventions with us? Ninety -one.

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Nancy came to her first one in 91. I came, we

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came from Israel in 92, and I was just there

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for the night that the embassy was there. We

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brought a feast of the Feast of Tabernacles,

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and then we were your Israel night that year.

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And I think that year, either Sister Gwen or

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you asked if I would consider coming back and

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leading worship in the future. And I came back

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the next year and have been coming every year

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since then. Because we click. There's something

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wonderful about the Holy Spirit anointing. That's

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in your lives. That is also in our lives. And,

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you know, there's relationships that are built

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for eternity. And so I expect that we're going

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to be worshiping together for eternity. Yes.

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What else is there? That's one of the wonderful

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things to me about global outpouring and the

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handmaidens and servants is Sister Gwen instilled.

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And we continue to carry that love for the intimate

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presence of the Lord. To me, when I think of

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the convention, I think of let's go spend time

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in the intimate presence of the Lord. Yes. And

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that can involve speakers. It can involve dancers.

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It can involve flags or whatever. But it's all

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about let's get into the intimate presence and

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see what the Lord has. Yes. Which you don't find

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in every gathering. True. But you certainly find

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it in every global outpouring gathering. Yes.

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Well, it's all about Him. Yes. It's really all

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about Him and about connecting with Him. We want

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to encounter Him. Obviously, I would say most

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of the people that come are experiencing a daily

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encounter with God. You know, walking with him,

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going deeper with him all the time, going deeper.

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There's always more. There's always more. There's

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always more. And I'm reminded of what Dean Braxton

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says, that as he looked at God, the Father, and

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as he looked at Jesus, either one of them, he

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would just get overwhelmed with the glory and

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the majesty and the beauty and all the adjectives

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that you can think of. And then he'd look again,

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and it was more so. And then he'd get overwhelmed

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and then he'd look again and he was more so.

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So there's this increase. And I've been saying

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lately that we are designed to go from glory

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to glory because we're made in his image and

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he's still going from glory to glory and always

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will be. So what we have in our hearts, for me,

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the convention is this amazing gathering of people.

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who have really dedicated themselves to the Lord.

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Now, not everybody that comes is that, but there

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are so many that come that are that. And the

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21 -day fast that Sister Gwen experienced that

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multiplied the anointing in her life. And the

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Lord spoke to her and called her to call out

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these handmaidens and servants, that he promised

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that he would anoint them in the same way that

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he anointed her. In other words, giving that

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increase of anointing, whatever your gifting

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is, there's no cookie cutter business here. It's

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who you are in him that keeps multiplying. And

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whenever you get believers together, there is

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a synergy that comes just because, you know,

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whatever you carry multiplies because you're

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with others. But when you get a whole bunch of

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people together that have done this fast and

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gone deeper with the Lord, and he's already increased

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the anointing in your life, you get a bunch of

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those people together. And I think that is part

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of the sweetness of the presence of God that's

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there, because you get a whole bunch of God lovers

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together that are passionate for him. So this

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synergy that comes together. I think, adds to

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the weight of glory. There's a weightiness in

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the presence of the Lord when you just walk in

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the room, just because we're together again.

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And we haven't had a big meeting like this for

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five years. And so I'm really excited to see

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what God is going to do. Yes. What are you feeling

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for expectation in this convention? I was just

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thinking of Anytime I'm at a global outpouring

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convention, generally people will come up after

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every service and say how blessed they were in

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the service, how deep the worship was. But it

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really comes because there are so many people

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that attend that do have that passion and hunger.

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They don't care if the morning service is over

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at noon. They don't care if the evening service

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doesn't end until after 10 o 'clock, as long

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as the Holy Spirit is moving. And that's what

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makes the depth. Because, you know, I can be

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sold out and leading worship with all my heart.

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But if people are looking at their watches and

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wondering what time they can go out and have

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dinner, then it won't be the same as if people

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are coming down to the altar saying, yes, more,

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I'll take more. Yes, Lord, whatever you got,

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I want more. And that's what I'm always looking

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for when I come together with the end time handmaidens

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and servants. There are people that are always

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saying, whatever you've got, Lord, I'll take

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it all. Yes. And it does. It makes such a glorious.

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God is able to, you know, the scripture we all

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know says that I inhabit, I sit enthroned on

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your praises. So it allows the Lord to say, oh,

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here's a group of people that wants to build

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a throne and let me be enthroned for however

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long I want to be enthroned, which is just. Awesome.

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It makes for such an awesome experience. Absolutely.

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How about you, Nancy? I think whenever Clarence

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has commented so many times that at ETH, at Global

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Outpouring, at the conventions, when he first

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puts his hand on the piano and the first chord

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comes out and he begins to worship, it's instantly

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everybody in the room is with him. And that comes

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because of the Generally, the maturity of the

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people that are there, like he said, ready to

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go. Right. Ready to go into the throne room.

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Yeah. Yeah. And that doesn't necessarily mean

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an age. No, no, not at all. Yeah. It's just people

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that are really longing. Yes. It's something

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akin to, I think it's the closest thing that

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I've experienced in the United States. It's akin

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to when you go overseas and people have. walked

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for miles to get to the service. They have made

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a sacrifice just to get there to that building.

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And the same thing happens. You know, you hit

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that first chord on the piano. I remember one

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time I was in a Latin American country and I

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got up on Sunday morning and I said, let's worship.

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And I played a chord and I looked up. And there

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were five or six people that had come up to the

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front and fallen face down on the floor. And

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everybody else had their arms in the air. I hadn't

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even played a song yet. I had just said, let's

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worship. And so they all said, okay, we'll all

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worship. And they did it with their whole heart.

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When you do that, it just makes such a different

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place to be for the Lord. And it opens the gate

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for him to say, okay, if you really want, it's

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what Jeremiah said, when you seek me with all

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your heart, then I'm going to be found. You shall

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surely find me. Absolutely. You know, the way

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you're talking reminds me of the Hebrew word

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Shekinah, Shekinah, as we would say in English.

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Can you give us a little bit of... understanding

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of what that word means? Because you've got a

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better Hebrew background than I do. Yeah, Shekinah

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actually is a word that you won't find in scripture.

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Right. It was created by the rabbis to describe

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what it means when the glory of God is present.

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But really what it means is Shekinah means to

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dwell. Yes. A neighborhood. In Hebrew, it's a

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shakona. It's just places where people dwell.

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And, of course, the last part of that word is

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Yah, which is one of the oldest names for Almighty

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God in Scripture. So it means Yah dwells here.

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Wow. So if we're aware of it, and I teach this,

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I've taught this so many times, I think so many

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times people think, well, maybe the Shekinah

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will come if I fast for a long time, or maybe

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the Shekinah will come if we sing songs and we're

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really intent. But actually, when we come, the

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Shekinah comes. Because Jesus prayed in John,

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the 17th chapter at the Last Supper, he prayed,

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Father, I'm praying for these disciples, but

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I'm praying also for all those who believe that

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the same glory that you placed in me, you'll

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place in them. So that even as you and I are

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one, they'll be one with us. Yes. We're carrying

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the glory. We don't have to pray the glory down.

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We don't have to do, you know, yes, of course,

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it's wonderful to fast. It's wonderful to sing

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praises and get to that place where you expect

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God's glory. But really, we can expect God's

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glory all the time. Yes, amen. And I think that

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something is also true in the conventions for

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the global outpouring because so many people

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end that. convention have been people that have

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gone out to the nations where ministry is a little

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bit more difficult and you don't have just the

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right piano to play and you don't have all the

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lighting and the room is not going to get dark

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and there's not going to be any smoke machines.

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So you're just depending on the Holy Spirit.

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You know, you get out and wherever you are, I

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mean, some keyboards that I've played in South

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America, bless their hearts, you know, I've just

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thought, okay, God. Maybe we should just sing

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acapella. I had that with a guitar once. Exactly.

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You see that just exactly the same thing happens.

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You know, when I was first starting out, I had

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a group of college kids that we were ministering

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through the summer, and we really hadn't had

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time to practice. And we had gone to Europe.

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We really had not had any practice there. And

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then came back, and we're still ministering on

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our way back to the offices where we'd been sent

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out. And we started a service, and the music

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was just terrible. Oh, no. Kids were singing

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out of tune, and I had a clarinet player, and

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you know that sound that a clarinet makes? Well,

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we made that sound a few times. And I was just...

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recently out of college so this the music was

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so bad and i was just about to get up from the

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piano and say we're so sorry we're going to give

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another service down the road i can't believe

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i was going to do this but i was thinking to

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do this and you know we're just going to end

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now i'll say a blessing and you come and see

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us tomorrow night and we'll sound better I stood

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up from the piano, and I had not been looking

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at the audience because I was so embarrassed.

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But I looked out at the audience, and it's a

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Lutheran church. Not a Spirit -filled Lutheran

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church. It's a Lutheran church. And there were

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people with their hands in the air. Wow. People

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with tears streaming down their face. Oh, my.

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And the Lord spoke to me in such a sweet voice,

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and he said, You know, son. I don't need your

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beautiful music to do what I do. Wow. So I think

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because we have so many people that have had

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experiences like that on the field that come

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together that know it's just the Holy Spirit.

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It's just the hand of God. So then when they

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start to worship, they expect, they don't care

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what the music sounds like. You know, I truly,

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I've said this often, I think you could probably

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sing the phone book at a global outpouring convention

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and people would still be down on their knees

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because they just expect the Shekhinah to show

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up. Yes. Because we bring it with us. Yes. We

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were just on our last five -week trip we just

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got back on, and the last place we were at, it

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was a... Sunday morning church in Indianapolis

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with a pastor. The last time we were there, he

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says, I want you here for Sunday morning. And

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it worked out and we came and we went out. It

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was a tremendous meeting. It was. It was really,

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really powerful. The Lord gave Sharon an amazing

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word. And we're out having dinner afterwards

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and all that. And a lady comes up to me and says,

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I heard the angels singing. I haven't heard him

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for five months. Wow. You know, then we had breakfast

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the next day with Michael Van Vlijmen and his

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wife, you know, and he says, yeah, there was

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about six other voices that were just singing

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along. I thought that's great because we just

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got off, you know, colds and didn't have a full

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voice back or anything. And, you know, like I

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say, it's not us. It's the Holy Spirit. We just

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yield. Yeah. Wow. You know, I had an experience

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one time. Philip knows this story. Oh, the build.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So there was one time

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that I had made the song list for the song service

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that we were leading. Basically, I was the lead

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voice and Philip was going to be singing the

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harmony. And Sister Gwen, our founder, was playing

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the organ. And so I've got this list. I gave

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her the list. You know, here we go. So we started

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and... Got through some of the songs, and all

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of a sudden, she took it and went a different

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direction. And I was like, but I got that from

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God, you know. This actually has happened many

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times. Probably so. But in this particular case,

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I heard the Holy Spirit say, you can sing Bill

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Grogan's Goat, and if I anoint it, it's anointed.

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Yes. Now, if you don't know Bill Grogan's goat,

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it's a silly little song about this goat that,

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you know, the man is so Bill Grogan is so upset

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with him for swallowing his his red shirt or

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something like his red flannel shirt off of the

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line. And so he ties him up to the railroad track

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and the goat coughs up the shirt and flags the

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train. I mean, it's a silly song. But the Holy

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Spirit said, if you sing that and I anointed.

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It's anointed. And we had a lady in another time.

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It could have been the same school. I think this

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was a school of ministry class. And she would

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get up and sing things like, she'll be coming

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around the mountain when she comes. And the Holy

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Spirit anointed it. I'm telling you. Because

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she was saying, I'm seeing this as the coming

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of the Lord. He'll be coming around the mountain.

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Or maybe it was the bride. The wife, you know,

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the six white horses. Yeah, he's coming on six

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white horses when he comes. And we were all kind

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of like, well, okay. But the Lord was there.

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The weightiness of the Lord was there. So it's

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not all about exactly what you sing. It's about

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his presence. Yes. Yeah. It's quite an amazing

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concept that, you know, you hear these people

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complaining about songs that are not. exactly

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doctrinally correct. And there are lots of them.

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There are lots of them that have maybe a line

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or two that are off. But if the Holy Spirit anoints

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it, it's anointed. And He knows how to fix our

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doctrine. He'll do it. He's faithful. The Lord

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spoke to me several years ago about writing sermons.

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And when I first started speaking, I'd taken

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courses in seminary and they'd instructed us

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on how to construct sermons and had an excellent

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teacher at my university, just a wonderful preacher.

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So I was doing what he had taught me to do. And

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I would, of course, pray about what I was going

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to speak. And then I would put together the sermon.

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And then I would go through the sermon 15, 16

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times, just preaching it to nobody, preaching

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it to the mirror, preaching it so that I was

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familiar with it. And that was okay. But several

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years ago, the Holy Spirit said, you know, you

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should really pray and then consult me as you

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write the sermon and then go back to prayer.

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Because it's really my presence in the sermon.

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It's not how good your sermon is. Very true.

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That's a good word. Wow. And I've heard. I think

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we've all heard many sermons that were, maybe

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they weren't constructed so wonderfully. Maybe

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it was just talking off the top of your head,

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really. But it was anointed. Exactly. And you

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don't really care if there's an introduction

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and you tell a funny story and you make three

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points and then you make a conclusion and, you

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know, do all the things that you're supposed

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to do. If it's anointed. You know, Peter probably

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didn't have an introduction and a funny story

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and three points on the day of Pentecost. He

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just preached what the Holy Spirit was telling

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him to preach and had a great altar call. We'd

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all be happy if we got 3 ,000 every altar call.

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Absolutely. He had a funny Galilean accent. Yeah,

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wow. You know, you commented about people from

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the nations or going to the nations. One of the

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things that I love about this convention, back

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in the day when we went by the name End Time

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Handmaidens and Servants, we called it our World

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Convention. But since we now have the word global

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in our name, it didn't sound right to me to have

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a global world convention. So we're calling it

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convention and then the year. But it's always

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exciting to me to see the people that come from

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the nations. Yes, it is. And how they're coming

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opens doors for people who have a burden to go

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to a nation. Yes. And, you know, we put up flags

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around the whole room, flags of the nations where

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our people have gone. And we haven't counted

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recently. We're guessing that it's somewhere

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around 160 nations or something like that. I

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don't know. That's just amazing. And our founder

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didn't go to all of those. But our people have.

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Our members have. And I'm aware of members and

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other people that are just interested that are

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coming from Haiti and from Japan and from India

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and New Zealand. And they're trying to get visas

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to come from China. trying to get visas to come

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from both Congos. There's Democratic Republic

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of Congo and the Republic of Congo. And we know

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there's people from Israel. And we've got a lady

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that's from Belgium originally that's currently

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working in Bolivia. And I'm sure there will be

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others. But those are the ones that I can think

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of right now. And it's exciting to me to see

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how... God puts things together and relationships

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get built. And, you know, people connect with

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each other at this convention. And we're not

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Taiwanese, but we will be coming from Taiwan.

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Yes, that's right. That's right. You're on your

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way to Taiwan very shortly here and probably

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by the time this... goes out. In fact, I think

00:25:45.819 --> 00:25:48.220
you're leaving the day that this is going to

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be posted. So, listener, if you're listening,

00:25:51.220 --> 00:25:53.500
as they'll be taken off on Tuesday, this thing

00:25:53.500 --> 00:25:56.660
should land on our podcast platform on Tuesday.

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Pray for Clarence and Nancy as they're going

00:25:58.839 --> 00:26:01.480
to Taiwan, that God will use them and anoint

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them. What are you expecting to happen in Taiwan?

00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:09.140
Well, when we were last in Taiwan, we were actually

00:26:09.140 --> 00:26:12.079
ministering with Ronis Baropoulos and Myrna Kergeli.

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And Rona had in her spirit a very strong unction

00:26:17.630 --> 00:26:23.250
to inspire people to pray for revival in the

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nation, which they were already doing. And Nancy

00:26:26.289 --> 00:26:30.349
had a vision at the same time. I just saw revival,

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the spirit of the Lord going from the north end

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of the island to the south, just covering over.

00:26:37.829 --> 00:26:42.079
So praying into that. So we've been praying and

00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:44.660
to that. And then just this morning, I heard

00:26:44.660 --> 00:26:50.480
a report from CBN News that because of, to a

00:26:50.480 --> 00:26:53.400
great extent, mainland China flexing its muscles

00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:59.039
toward the island, it has inspired what they're

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calling a revival prayer group movement that

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has touched thousands of people. all over the

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nation from the top to the bottom. And they are

00:27:09.700 --> 00:27:13.640
united in groups of three, but there are also

00:27:13.640 --> 00:27:17.680
larger groups meeting for prayer. But each group

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has three that they're definitely attached to

00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:23.200
so that whatever happens to the nation, even

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if communication systems don't work and transportation

00:27:26.619 --> 00:27:28.859
systems, there'll still be those three people

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will be in touch with each other and they'll

00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:36.039
continue to pray. But right now. There's 24 -hour

00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:40.799
prayer for revival, for unity, for God's plan

00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:44.380
to come forward for not only Taiwan, but also

00:27:44.380 --> 00:27:47.119
for China. And I'm sure you're familiar with

00:27:47.119 --> 00:27:50.799
so many Oriental people that their heart is really

00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:54.680
back to Jerusalem, that they feel that. The gospel

00:27:54.680 --> 00:27:58.259
came from Jerusalem to the Far East and that

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their mandate in these last days is to take the

00:28:01.420 --> 00:28:04.980
gospel back through, hallelujah, the 1040 window.

00:28:05.099 --> 00:28:08.380
Amen. And spread the gospel all the way down

00:28:08.380 --> 00:28:11.029
that. road that was the Silk Road, make it the

00:28:11.029 --> 00:28:13.630
Gospel Road, all the way to Jerusalem. Amen.

00:28:13.829 --> 00:28:15.849
And if you're not familiar with what the 1040

00:28:15.849 --> 00:28:19.109
window is, it's from 10 degrees north of the

00:28:19.109 --> 00:28:23.130
equator to 40 degrees north of the equator and

00:28:23.130 --> 00:28:27.160
from West Africa. I guess all the way across

00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:29.500
Asia. I think that's kind of what they call the

00:28:29.500 --> 00:28:32.579
1040 window. The most concentrated people groups.

00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:34.700
Yeah, people groups that haven't been reached

00:28:34.700 --> 00:28:38.240
were mostly in that space. So there have been

00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:41.180
prayer initiatives, like through the 90s, there

00:28:41.180 --> 00:28:43.880
were a lot of prayer initiatives. And you could

00:28:43.880 --> 00:28:47.460
see the people that keep the records were seeing

00:28:47.460 --> 00:28:51.180
great spikes of evangelism, great spikes of people

00:28:51.180 --> 00:28:53.660
coming to the Lord when there would be a prayer

00:28:53.660 --> 00:28:57.000
initiative like that. births, revival, prayer,

00:28:57.079 --> 00:28:59.839
births, harvest. And that's one of the things

00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:01.619
that we'll be doing at this convention too, is

00:29:01.619 --> 00:29:05.059
a lot of prayer. We're excited about how the

00:29:05.059 --> 00:29:07.799
Lord is going to meet us in intercession and

00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:10.299
lead us in intercession. I love how the Holy

00:29:10.299 --> 00:29:13.079
Spirit will pray through us what's on our Father's

00:29:13.079 --> 00:29:16.660
heart. Amen. So as you're listening to this podcast,

00:29:16.740 --> 00:29:21.359
please pray for an open heaven, not just, and

00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:23.759
we'll be there for a little bit less than two

00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:27.200
weeks. Not just in that time, but just pray for

00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:31.180
an open heaven over Taiwan, over mainland China.

00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:35.720
Yes. I just heard a word through Joel Rosenberg

00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:40.160
that it's estimated now that the number of believers

00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:44.380
in mainland China has grown to 100 million people.

00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:48.839
Wow. Which is, there were, I think, less than

00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:51.960
500 ,000 when the communist government took over.

00:29:52.380 --> 00:29:55.960
Wow. So it is just awesome what the Lord has

00:29:55.960 --> 00:29:59.960
already done. But we've been in meetings and

00:29:59.960 --> 00:30:02.619
past years when we went to the Orient where 9

00:30:02.619 --> 00:30:07.140
,000 believers from all over the world, all Oriental,

00:30:07.140 --> 00:30:12.259
most of them Chinese, all praying on their faces

00:30:12.259 --> 00:30:16.799
and their knees, Lord, come. Even so, Lord, come.

00:30:17.220 --> 00:30:19.839
One of the hymns that they were singing back

00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:23.240
at that particular convention was a Chinese hymn,

00:30:23.259 --> 00:30:26.119
but they had it translated into English so that

00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:28.480
everybody could sing together whatever language

00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:32.259
you were speaking. And it said, Lord, look at

00:30:32.259 --> 00:30:35.140
all these that have gone through such suffering,

00:30:35.319 --> 00:30:39.519
that have gone through the jails, that have lost

00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:44.230
their name for your name. With so many creating

00:30:44.230 --> 00:30:48.549
such a beautiful bride. Lord, don't you want

00:30:48.549 --> 00:30:54.630
to come and reclaim your bride? And they sang

00:30:54.630 --> 00:30:57.529
that. It sounds like they'd be crying when they

00:30:57.529 --> 00:31:00.170
sang that hymn, but they weren't. They were triumphant

00:31:00.170 --> 00:31:03.509
saying, look at us. Look at the preparation that

00:31:03.509 --> 00:31:07.210
we've made. Lord, we are begging to be married

00:31:07.210 --> 00:31:10.170
to you. We're begging in these last days for

00:31:10.170 --> 00:31:13.529
you to come and unite with your bride. Don't

00:31:13.529 --> 00:31:17.849
you want to come? Wow. Beautiful, beautiful,

00:31:18.089 --> 00:31:20.970
beautiful. You know, that reminds me of a story.

00:31:21.620 --> 00:31:26.019
of our founder, Sister Gwen Shaw. She went to

00:31:26.019 --> 00:31:31.420
China, to mainland China in 1947, and ministered

00:31:31.420 --> 00:31:34.759
there for a while. She was in Inner Mongolia,

00:31:34.819 --> 00:31:37.619
and then the Lord spoke to her and the team that

00:31:37.619 --> 00:31:41.220
she was with to go to this Bible school that

00:31:41.220 --> 00:31:44.720
was run by W. W. Simpson, who was an Assemblies

00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:49.079
of God missionary. So when they got there, W

00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:51.759
.W. Simpson kind of chastised them in front of

00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:54.220
the students and said, why have you come? The

00:31:54.220 --> 00:31:57.259
Holy Spirit news, because they didn't have any

00:31:57.259 --> 00:31:59.640
access to news other than from the Holy Spirit.

00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:03.940
The Holy Spirit has told me that the communists

00:32:03.940 --> 00:32:07.180
are coming and I'm going home. Why did you come?

00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:10.700
The next morning in front of the students, he

00:32:10.700 --> 00:32:14.000
apologized. And he said, I'm sorry, the Lord

00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:17.720
rebuked me and said that he's the one who sent

00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:20.339
you to take over the Bible school when I go home.

00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:24.039
So they finished the Bible school teaching the

00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:27.700
students. They got to the very end. And it was

00:32:27.700 --> 00:32:30.500
like the day before the graduation, the magistrate

00:32:30.500 --> 00:32:34.140
came to them and said, the communists have broken

00:32:34.140 --> 00:32:36.839
through the Guomindang lines. Is that the right

00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:38.460
words? Yeah, government lines. The government

00:32:38.460 --> 00:32:42.859
lines. And they'll be here in 24 hours. Here's

00:32:42.859 --> 00:32:45.559
my card. It won't be any good once they get here,

00:32:45.660 --> 00:32:47.980
but maybe it'll help you get out before they

00:32:47.980 --> 00:32:50.380
get here. And, you know, it's a long story. I

00:32:50.380 --> 00:32:52.640
won't tell the whole story about how they escaped.

00:32:52.700 --> 00:32:55.779
They did manage to get out from Lanzhou. It was

00:32:55.779 --> 00:32:59.000
the next to the last flight that got out of there.

00:32:59.500 --> 00:33:02.799
And then they ministered in Taiwan for some time

00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:07.019
after that, and then Hong Kong. My point is that

00:33:07.019 --> 00:33:12.480
in 2011, God made a way for Sister Gwen to go

00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:16.779
back. And it was like closing the circle because

00:33:16.779 --> 00:33:18.960
that's where she started. And that was her last

00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:22.880
trip. And she went back to the Bible school and

00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:26.720
found the people that were left. And learned

00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:29.920
because she had prayed for all those years, hearing

00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:34.019
the terrible stories of persecution and imprisonment

00:33:34.019 --> 00:33:36.039
and all that sort of thing. And, you know, people

00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:38.880
giving their lives that were coming out of China

00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:43.640
that you'd hear these stories from was just terrible.

00:33:43.859 --> 00:33:46.660
And she would pray and pray and pray for all

00:33:46.660 --> 00:33:49.480
those young people. And as they were driving

00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:52.799
away from there in what they would call a bus,

00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:55.309
but it wouldn't be a bus like we know it. It

00:33:55.309 --> 00:33:58.390
was more like a truck with seats in it. She watched

00:33:58.390 --> 00:34:01.730
them running after this truck and waving and

00:34:01.730 --> 00:34:04.089
crying. And she prayed for them all those years.

00:34:04.349 --> 00:34:08.050
So when she went back, she learned that every

00:34:08.050 --> 00:34:11.090
one of them survived. And every one of them went

00:34:11.090 --> 00:34:15.210
all across China and began works, began ministering,

00:34:15.210 --> 00:34:18.289
began churches. And it was something like 300

00:34:18.289 --> 00:34:21.989
churches across China. So the seeds that she

00:34:21.989 --> 00:34:25.179
planted in those days. are still bearing fruit

00:34:25.179 --> 00:34:28.659
today. It's just amazing. Absolutely amazing.

00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:32.159
But, you know, that's how the gospel is. The

00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:35.760
gospel is like good seed. That's what Jesus said

00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:38.980
in his parable. You put good seed into good ground

00:34:38.980 --> 00:34:40.820
and it's going to bring forth the harvest 30,

00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:44.219
60 and 100 fold. So that's what God's doing.

00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:47.940
God is not stopped by difficulties. He's just

00:34:47.940 --> 00:34:50.739
inspired to overcome the difficulties. That's

00:34:50.739 --> 00:34:53.380
right. And he inspires us to overcome the difficulties.

00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:57.340
Yeah. Hallelujah. We've been hearing the same

00:34:57.340 --> 00:35:01.099
thing, reports coming from Israel, which I'm

00:35:01.099 --> 00:35:03.820
sure every believer has been worried about all

00:35:03.820 --> 00:35:05.900
the things that have been happening in Israel

00:35:05.900 --> 00:35:08.500
in the last year and a half. But the reports

00:35:08.500 --> 00:35:11.659
that we get back is that God is working on the

00:35:11.659 --> 00:35:15.380
lives of both Jewish people. and Arab people,

00:35:15.500 --> 00:35:21.039
Arab people in Gaza, having visions, having the

00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:24.699
Lord speak to their heart, people finding salvation

00:35:24.699 --> 00:35:28.900
in Gaza in the midst of all the difficulty, and

00:35:28.900 --> 00:35:31.619
the same thing happening in Israel. It's amazing

00:35:31.619 --> 00:35:36.539
how much God is not stopped by the plan of man.

00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:39.480
He nullifies the counsel of the nations and he

00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:42.360
frustrates the plan of the peoples. But the counsel

00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:46.420
of the Lord stands forever. Yes. Hallelujah.

00:35:46.860 --> 00:35:53.559
Amen. Glory. Wow. Glory. So you two have both

00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:56.320
been very involved with Israel. We didn't really

00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:59.380
talk about that, but just tell us a little bit

00:35:59.380 --> 00:36:02.159
about the things that God had you do in Israel,

00:36:02.340 --> 00:36:06.300
both of you. After I took my vows in 91, the

00:36:06.300 --> 00:36:11.739
Lord took me to Israel and I hired unemployed

00:36:11.739 --> 00:36:15.980
Russians to paint who are artists and brought

00:36:15.980 --> 00:36:19.559
back wonderful art of theirs. Also started imported

00:36:19.559 --> 00:36:23.579
into Israel computerized knitting machines to

00:36:23.579 --> 00:36:26.780
start a little cottage industry for the unemployed

00:36:26.780 --> 00:36:30.110
Russian moms that they could do at home. And

00:36:30.110 --> 00:36:32.429
brought the sweaters back. And Sister Gwen sold

00:36:32.429 --> 00:36:37.230
them. And other people. But, yeah, it was wonderful.

00:36:37.389 --> 00:36:41.449
And met my husband. Yes. While she was working

00:36:41.449 --> 00:36:44.570
with the immigrants that had come from Russia,

00:36:44.730 --> 00:36:48.730
she was also playing harp in my worship team

00:36:48.730 --> 00:36:52.829
at Christ Church. And the Lord started speaking

00:36:52.829 --> 00:36:57.800
to me. I was traveling in music missions. and

00:36:57.800 --> 00:37:00.639
in 1981 he said i'm going to do something completely

00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:05.659
different next year and at the beginning of 1982

00:37:05.659 --> 00:37:10.360
he started introducing us to people from israel

00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:13.639
both arab people and jewish people and by the

00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:21.260
end of 1982 he sovereignly not by any arranging

00:37:21.260 --> 00:37:25.730
on my part had opened up ministry for us for

00:37:25.730 --> 00:37:29.809
a month and a half in Israel and two weeks in

00:37:29.809 --> 00:37:34.389
Egypt. We sang in Cairo and Alexandria, ministered

00:37:34.389 --> 00:37:39.110
to people. Some may not know that Cairo has no

00:37:39.110 --> 00:37:43.849
actual garbage collection system. The garbage

00:37:43.849 --> 00:37:46.730
is collected by people who live in the dump.

00:37:47.150 --> 00:37:50.730
And the Lord opened doors for us to minister

00:37:50.730 --> 00:37:54.980
to them. Yes. Just wonderful, wonderful opportunities.

00:37:55.619 --> 00:38:00.199
We sang for the army in Israel two or three times.

00:38:00.219 --> 00:38:03.760
We sang on an atheist kibbutz. That was an experience.

00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:08.219
Wow. The Lord just opened all sorts of doors.

00:38:08.340 --> 00:38:10.900
And I thought that I would probably, that was

00:38:10.900 --> 00:38:13.219
my trip to Israel and I'd never go back. But

00:38:13.219 --> 00:38:17.280
within a year, the Lord began pulling me back.

00:38:17.500 --> 00:38:22.079
And eventually I ended up being the. music coordinator

00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:25.760
for the Christian embassy, both in Israel and

00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:28.199
all of their different functions that they did

00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:32.139
out from Israel, and also began leading worship

00:38:32.139 --> 00:38:34.579
at Christ Church, which is the oldest Protestant

00:38:34.579 --> 00:38:38.340
church in the Middle East. And while I was there,

00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:42.519
they restarted, two years after I arrived, they

00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:45.460
restarted a Hebrew -speaking congregation, which

00:38:45.460 --> 00:38:47.960
had been the original purpose of Christ Church.

00:38:48.940 --> 00:38:52.800
And it is now the largest congregation that meets

00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:57.340
there. So I learned Hebrew by leading worship

00:38:57.340 --> 00:39:03.260
in Hebrew. Wow. That was very interesting. You

00:39:03.260 --> 00:39:05.199
know, I was looking at phonetics. I couldn't

00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:08.400
read a letter of the Hebrew, but I could read

00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:12.469
phonetics. And then when... In the 90s, the Russian

00:39:12.469 --> 00:39:15.710
immigrants began to come. We had a number of

00:39:15.710 --> 00:39:18.389
Russian immigrants that joined our congregation.

00:39:18.969 --> 00:39:21.690
So then I had to use the Hebrew that I'd learned

00:39:21.690 --> 00:39:24.630
because they spoke Russian and Hebrew and I spoke

00:39:24.630 --> 00:39:26.769
English and Hebrew. So the only thing that we

00:39:26.769 --> 00:39:29.570
shared was our Hebrew. And they thought I spoke

00:39:29.570 --> 00:39:34.710
wonderful Hebrew. But if you're Russian and you're

00:39:34.710 --> 00:39:39.860
just learning the language, I was OK. Tell us

00:39:39.860 --> 00:39:43.059
the story of the lady that walked into Christ's

00:39:43.059 --> 00:39:46.559
church and looked around. I love this story.

00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:52.920
You know, the prophets say, both Isaiah and Ezekiel

00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:56.460
say, I'm going to bring you back to the land.

00:39:57.159 --> 00:40:00.619
And then after you come to the land, you're going

00:40:00.619 --> 00:40:03.960
to experience a revelation. And Ezekiel says,

00:40:04.059 --> 00:40:05.579
I'm going to give you a new heart. I'm going

00:40:05.579 --> 00:40:08.219
to exchange your heart of stone for a heart of

00:40:08.219 --> 00:40:12.159
flesh. And then you'll know that I am God and

00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:14.340
there is no other. There's never been another

00:40:14.340 --> 00:40:18.559
savior, Isaiah says in Isaiah 43. It's only been

00:40:18.559 --> 00:40:21.800
me. But once you come to the land, once I bring

00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:25.420
you from all the four corners and I say to the

00:40:25.420 --> 00:40:28.000
north, give up. And I say to the south, hold

00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:30.119
not back. And I bring you from the east and the

00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:33.150
west. Then when you come, then you'll know who

00:40:33.150 --> 00:40:38.530
I am. So for a while at Christ Church, because

00:40:38.530 --> 00:40:40.789
it is the oldest Protestant church in the Middle

00:40:40.789 --> 00:40:44.130
East, it's kind of a place where people will

00:40:44.130 --> 00:40:47.230
come, even if they're not believers. And the

00:40:47.230 --> 00:40:53.389
church was built on prophecy. It was a group

00:40:53.389 --> 00:40:55.869
from a revival that happened, a prayer revival

00:40:55.869 --> 00:41:00.570
in Britain. that joined with another group from

00:41:00.570 --> 00:41:05.409
Germany. And they, looking at scripture and reading

00:41:05.409 --> 00:41:10.010
prophecy, said, ah, so Israel is going to be

00:41:10.010 --> 00:41:12.849
physically rebuilt and people are going to come.

00:41:12.989 --> 00:41:14.989
You know, they read Isaiah 43 and they believed

00:41:14.989 --> 00:41:18.110
it. So they said, well, if all these people are

00:41:18.110 --> 00:41:20.989
going to be coming to Israel, which Israel didn't

00:41:20.989 --> 00:41:24.099
exist at the time as a nation. But if they're

00:41:24.099 --> 00:41:26.360
going to come to the Holy Land, then we need

00:41:26.360 --> 00:41:30.019
to prepare a place for them to worship. So they

00:41:30.019 --> 00:41:34.519
built this building and everything in it is in

00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:38.179
Hebrew. Because they were not building it for

00:41:38.179 --> 00:41:41.360
expats to come and worship in the Holy Land.

00:41:41.480 --> 00:41:44.239
They were building it for the people that God

00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:47.780
was going to bring back who would be speaking

00:41:47.780 --> 00:41:50.219
Hebrew because they were the people of Israel.

00:41:50.460 --> 00:41:53.480
And were they speaking Hebrew yet? No, they were

00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:57.219
not. I love it. I love it. At the time, Hebrew

00:41:57.219 --> 00:42:00.539
was only used in the services. It was like Latin

00:42:00.539 --> 00:42:04.539
in the Catholic Mass up until Vatican II. Nobody

00:42:04.539 --> 00:42:08.239
ever used it. In fact, many of the rabbis taught

00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:11.199
that you should never use Hebrew if you weren't.

00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:14.900
praying or in a service because it was a holy

00:42:14.900 --> 00:42:21.019
language. So when Hebrew was being revived later

00:42:21.019 --> 00:42:23.639
in the 19th century, in the early 20th century,

00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:29.320
a lot of Orthodox jury fought that because they

00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:31.739
thought that it was the secularization of a holy

00:42:31.739 --> 00:42:34.440
language, but that's a rabbit trail. So anyway.

00:42:35.130 --> 00:42:37.750
Everything that's written in the church is all

00:42:37.750 --> 00:42:39.869
in Hebrew. It has the Ten Commandments at the

00:42:39.869 --> 00:42:41.570
front of the church, but it's all in Hebrew.

00:42:42.050 --> 00:42:47.690
And the symbol for the Trinity is also written

00:42:47.690 --> 00:42:52.989
in Hebrew. Yehovah is God the Father. Emmanuel

00:42:52.989 --> 00:42:59.590
is Yeshua, the Messiah, God with us. And then

00:42:59.590 --> 00:43:02.780
Ruach HaKodesh. Holy Spirit that hovered over

00:43:02.780 --> 00:43:04.860
the face of the water. So it's set there in three.

00:43:04.940 --> 00:43:07.579
It's obviously the Trinity, but it's still all

00:43:07.579 --> 00:43:13.000
in Hebrew and from the Tanakh. So I'm working

00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:15.639
as a guide in this building. And one afternoon,

00:43:15.860 --> 00:43:19.059
a precious lady came in, beautiful, tall lady

00:43:19.059 --> 00:43:22.159
with black hair. And she peeks her head on the

00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:25.539
door and she looks around and she says, Mazzei,

00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:30.079
what is this? And I said, Zekanesh, yeah, it's

00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:33.429
a church. And she looks around again, and she

00:43:33.429 --> 00:43:37.130
says, that's not possible. Look, everything's

00:43:37.130 --> 00:43:40.550
written in Hebrew. And we went back and forth

00:43:40.550 --> 00:43:43.130
a few times, and finally I said, look, I go here.

00:43:43.289 --> 00:43:50.389
It's a church. And when I said that, then she

00:43:50.389 --> 00:43:53.309
walks over to my desk, she pulls up a chair,

00:43:53.469 --> 00:43:55.809
and she says, well, maybe you can help me with

00:43:55.809 --> 00:43:59.829
something then. And she begins to tell me, she

00:43:59.829 --> 00:44:03.610
says, when I was a child, I was raised when Stalin

00:44:03.610 --> 00:44:06.690
was in power. And I was taught that there was

00:44:06.690 --> 00:44:11.610
no God. I was taught to revere Stalin and Trotsky

00:44:11.610 --> 00:44:15.269
and Lenin and all the founders of my nation.

00:44:15.309 --> 00:44:18.929
But I was taught there is no God. But I knew

00:44:18.929 --> 00:44:22.610
there was something. So I used to, as a child,

00:44:22.650 --> 00:44:26.309
pray to the something. I didn't have a name for

00:44:26.309 --> 00:44:32.340
him. But I would ask him for help. And then she

00:44:32.340 --> 00:44:35.099
said, when I decided to make Aliyah, when I decided

00:44:35.099 --> 00:44:39.119
to come to Israel, my government made it very

00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:43.039
difficult for me to leave my nation. And so many

00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:45.719
times it was so difficult, I just wanted to give

00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:50.139
up. But I couldn't because this something that

00:44:50.139 --> 00:44:53.460
I had been praying to, this force I'd been praying

00:44:53.460 --> 00:44:57.280
to all my life. It was like almost there was

00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:00.539
a force behind my back pushing me forward. Don't

00:45:00.539 --> 00:45:04.679
stop. Go. And she said, now that I live in Israel,

00:45:04.820 --> 00:45:08.340
I haven't found a job that is equal to the job

00:45:08.340 --> 00:45:13.480
that I have. I don't have much money. My circumstances

00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:17.900
are not wonderful. And many times I've thought,

00:45:18.079 --> 00:45:21.920
well, maybe I should just go back. But I still

00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:26.650
feel this force behind me. And it strengthens

00:45:26.650 --> 00:45:30.409
me. And it just continues to tell me, go forward.

00:45:30.969 --> 00:45:33.710
And then she leaned into my desk and she said,

00:45:33.929 --> 00:45:39.550
can you tell me what that force is? Yes. Now

00:45:39.550 --> 00:45:42.849
she knew in her heart what that force was. She

00:45:42.849 --> 00:45:47.329
just wanted me to say it. So if I remember right,

00:45:47.389 --> 00:45:50.369
we talked about Isaiah 43. I said, yes, I can

00:45:50.369 --> 00:45:54.199
tell you. And I started in Isaiah 40 that said,

00:45:54.340 --> 00:45:57.179
do not fear. I have redeemed you. I've called

00:45:57.179 --> 00:46:00.260
you by your name. I've formed you, my beloved,

00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:03.320
in your mind. And when you go through the waters,

00:46:03.400 --> 00:46:05.199
it won't drown you. And when you go through the

00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:08.840
fires, you won't be burned. And then I took it

00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:13.300
up to Isaiah 43 and said, and when you come home

00:46:13.300 --> 00:46:16.380
to the nation of Israel, then you will know that

00:46:16.380 --> 00:46:21.449
I am God and there is no other. And we continued

00:46:21.449 --> 00:46:25.110
to talk. And I never saw her again, but I'm sure

00:46:25.110 --> 00:46:28.789
she became a believer. Amen. As her heart was.

00:46:28.849 --> 00:46:32.710
So she was the epitome of Ezekiel and Isaiah's

00:46:32.710 --> 00:46:34.829
prophecies. She was just standing in front of

00:46:34.829 --> 00:46:38.070
me. And since then, I've talked to so many people

00:46:38.070 --> 00:46:42.090
who were after the fact that they would describe

00:46:42.090 --> 00:46:45.710
to me the same sort of situation that didn't

00:46:45.710 --> 00:46:49.760
happen until they... either came to Israel or

00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:54.000
decided to come to Israel, or that they became

00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:57.619
a believer wherever they lived, and then immediately

00:46:57.619 --> 00:47:01.340
they had this desire to go to Israel. And many

00:47:01.340 --> 00:47:03.840
people said, I never thought about going to Israel.

00:47:04.260 --> 00:47:07.019
I lived in a wonderful town wherever I was. I

00:47:07.019 --> 00:47:09.360
had a great job. Why should I go to Israel? What

00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:13.139
did I need in Israel? But once they connected

00:47:13.139 --> 00:47:15.960
with the Holy Spirit, then he began nudging them.

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Toward God's plan. Amen. Wow. Wow. I love that.

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It just speaks to our Father's heart for His

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people. Yeah. Yes. And not just, I mean, yes,

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absolutely His chosen people, drawing them, but

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He also draws everybody. And that's why He wants

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to pour out His Spirit on all flesh. That's this

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global outpouring that we've been talking about.

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Ever since we started this podcast, it's the

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outpouring of His Spirit. In the book of Acts,

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where Peter is repeating what is spoken of in

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the prophet Joel 2 .28, where in the Greek, it

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says, I will pour out of the Spirit of me. I

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just love how intimate that is. That's where

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we started in this recording. We talked about

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the intimate presence of the Lord. Yes. He wants

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his people to have that intimate relationship

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with him. Would you pray for our listeners and

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just see how the Holy Spirit will lead you along

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those lines? Lord, we feel you hovering even

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as we're talking about you. Yes. And that's always

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true. You say where two or three are agreed together,

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that you're right there in the presence of that

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agreement. So let me just ask for all of those

00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:52.579
who are listening to this podcast, Ta 'ase mashu

00:48:52.579 --> 00:48:57.739
hadash, Adonai. Do that new thing in their life

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that they're longing to see. And Lord, I just

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pray that if there are any listening to the podcast

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who are sort of mulling over, wow, this convention

00:49:08.940 --> 00:49:11.480
sounds like something unique, maybe I should

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go to it. Lord, if that's your plan for them,

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then just give them that confirmation in their

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spirit, just that simple knowing that, yes, that's

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the right thing. But if not, Lord, then I just

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ask that you would confirm. to them who you are.

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Yes, Lord. Just like that lady that was talking

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to me in Christchurch, Lord, so many of us really

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are being talked to. We've got that hand behind

00:49:43.429 --> 00:49:46.309
our back that's pushing us forward, that's strengthening

00:49:46.309 --> 00:49:51.150
us, that's giving us hope, and yet maybe we don't

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really have the words to describe what that is.

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But you're... what that is. So Lord, I just ask

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that you would confirm that to each individual

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that's listening. Lord, every heart, every ear

00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:08.460
that's tuned to this podcast, just confirm to

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them that just as Deuteronomy 7, 9 says, you

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are God, the faithful God who keeps your covenant

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and your loving kindness to a thousandth generation.

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For us who love you and keep your commandments.

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Yes, Lord. And, Lord, we thank you for being

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that covenant -keeping, faithful God. Yes, Lord.

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And just as Paul said, Lord, what our eye hasn't

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seen yet, what our ears never heard about. what

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hasn't even entered into our heart. And we, all

00:50:48.789 --> 00:50:51.389
of us have so much that's entered into our heart,

00:50:51.429 --> 00:50:53.889
hopes for the future and things we'd like to

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do and be. But you say, even that which hasn't

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yet entered into your heart, all that I prepared

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for those who love me. So we thank you, Lord,

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that you prepared our heart for all that you

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have in store for us. We thank you for it in

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Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. Check out our website

00:51:42.550 --> 00:51:45.730
at globaloutpouring .org to find out more information,

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00:51:55.110 --> 00:51:58.329
Buss. And I'm Philip Buss. God bless you with

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His overwhelming, loving presence.