(260) "Surrender Produces the Glory" with Sigi Oblander

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You have only one life to live. That's only what

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I can say to the young people. You have only

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one life to live. If you don't give it all and

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you hold back, you will never really know what

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God can do with an ordinary person. God promises

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in Joel 2 .28 to pour out His Spirit on all humanity.

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Welcome to Global Outpouring, where we contend

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for that promised outpouring, we equip for that

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outpouring so that we may engage in that very

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outpouring. I'm Philip Buss. And I'm Sharon Buss.

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Welcome to the podcast today. We're so glad that

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you're with us. We have with us today a very,

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very, very special saint of the Lord, Siggy Oblander.

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She's one of the founders of this ministry, and

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she's going to be sharing with us today some

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testimonies about how surrender produces the

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glory of God. Thank you so much for joining us

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today. This is going to be a wonderful podcast

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you're going to enjoy. And before we get started,

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we want to encourage you, if you haven't already

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done so, that you go to our website, globaloutpouring

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.net. and that you make sure that you are on

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our email list so that we can stay in contact

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with you and that you have clicked on that events

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tab and you've looked at what's going on with

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our convention 2025. Siggy is going to be one

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of our speakers. She's going to be our speaker

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opening night and she always brings a deep...

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life -changing word of the Lord. And I fully

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expect that the Lord is going to give her something

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that will kick us off into the glory because

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that's how he uses her every single time that

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I know of. I don't know if you can hear that

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or not, but we have a thunderstorm going on and

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the Holy Ghost just said, amen. So we've got

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other wonderful speakers, Tony Camp and Dean

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Braxton, Jeff Simons, Jean Little and myself.

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And we're going to have a glory time in worship.

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And it's a family event. Bring the whole family.

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May 21st through 24th at the St. Louis Airport

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Marriott. Pray about coming and make your reservations.

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It's going to be an amazing, life -changing time

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for you and your family. We've got a place for

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the little ones, a nursery for the smallest.

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for your children. We have special teachers that

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are going to help them to come into the deep

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things of God and learn how to prophesy and interpret

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dreams and that sort of thing. And we have ministers

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for the young people. It's going to be an amazing

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time. So let your whole family be brought up

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into a deeper place in God. Siggy Oblander, we

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just love you so much. And for so many years,

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I was so glad that you could be with us on this

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podcast. I'm happy to be here, Sharon, and can

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hardly believe time has gone so fast. I know.

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And it has been such a long time when you look

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back what the Lord has done. Yeah, absolutely.

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Absolutely. It's a different season for us. You

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know, I think I'm in the 80s now, and 80 is a

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new beginning, but it's a completion. And I can

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see a shifting in my ministry because... There

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are things happening from inside you, which is

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more important than the things which are outside.

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God has used all our lives through the different

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seasons, because every decade I look back, I

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was in the 20s when I traveled with Gwen. I was

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in the 30s and 40s when we've been with a handmaiden.

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And in the 40s, we lived in South Africa for

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10 years. And we came back in the 50s and 60s

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to move about from America again. And when I

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look back, every decade in your life has a significance.

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And I just thank the Lord for it, that we don't

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strive the same way that he does things within

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you to accomplish what he has spoken so many

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years in your life and through your life. That's

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very true. That's very true. And there are seasons,

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and God is always doing something new all the

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time. In our discussion before we started recording,

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we talked about how your priorities change. Yes.

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As life goes on, your priorities change. But

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it's all about, you know, the older you get,

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the closer you are to eternity. You know, you

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lift your life. I mean, it says you overcome

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the evil one with your testimony and the blood

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of the Lamb. Now, the testimony is always what

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you have lived through. So your testimony is

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bigger now than it ever has been because you

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accumulated the defeats and the victories. and

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the light and the darkness so God can accomplish

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in you and through you whatever He wants. For

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instance, I'm thinking back as I knew I would

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do this broadcast with you, how God used Gwen

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in my life to take me out of Germany. I remember,

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I mean, when she came to Germany, that was in

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the 70s, so I would have been something in the

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20s, late 20s. And I remember she comes up to

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me, and I was interpreting for her as she was

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preaching in Germany, and I was interpreting

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into German. And she came and said to me, One

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day you're going to travel with me. Now, I couldn't

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even imagine that, living in Germany, just coming

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out of Bible school. And she said, here, I give

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you something. This is the sign that you're going

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to do that. And she gave me a $100 bill. Now,

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for me in those days, a $100 bill, it's like

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somebody would give me now $1 ,000 in the effect

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of what it had in my life. And you know, these

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things, when you look back, how they have come

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through in your life, it's amazing because the

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whole perspective, when you look back in your

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life, takes on a new fullness and a new color.

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and a new dimension because the hurts and the

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struggles and the victories are not that important

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anymore because all these are there to bring

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a result like purifying gold or purifying silver.

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We have to go to certain things to become the

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end product of what God wants in your life. So

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David and I were very excited about this phase

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in our life. feel that the Lord just, you know,

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marriage goes to its own time and season also.

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And I think as we look back, we're almost married

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50 years, 49 now. And I think we look back, you

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know, the ministry. has a lot of challenges in

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marriage. And when we look back now, it's just

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what the Lord has done. It's so amazing that

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we can walk in such a peace and comfort which

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passes all understanding. And I know that the

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Lord has a plan for... End Time Handmaidens Global

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Outpouring, because he put you there, Sharon,

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for a reason. And I know still many of these

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handmaidens we know grew old. They're like me.

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They're in a place where we have gone through

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things and our desire for God has brought us

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together. in the conventions and experience level

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and depths of glory and anointing we would never

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experience if we would not start it and look

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for it and seen it. And I think as you're going

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to have that convention, it's going to be something

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very special because some people, they won't

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be there anymore after that. And, you know, Gwen

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had that burden. I remember when she used to

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pray. and cry out, and she would cry out, give

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me 10 ,000 handmaidens, Lord. We need 10 ,000

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handmaidens to revolutionary the country. And,

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you know, I don't know if you ever got 10 ,000,

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but I know that the Lord has used women throughout

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to change things and to bring a new direction

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and a depth. to what God wants to do. And that's

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a new season now. You know, we need young women

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now. Yes. We can impart. So I think I said to

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David, we feel like the Wombrands or like the

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people we used to visit, like the Refuseniks

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in Alaska. Certainly they are there. They live

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to the heights and depths of whatever they live.

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And then they're in a little house in America,

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and they said, now we're just little old people.

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But these little old people had such an effect

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to revolutionize country and nations and generations.

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And I know when I look back, I can just say that

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all we can do is run with all our strength, give

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with all what we got, and let God use us whatever

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he needs to use us. And we're going to pray that

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God will really bless this convention in St.

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Louis. that you step out by faith and really

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want to see God move, that God can really break

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through on a level He only can do it in times

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and seasons like this. I mean, we live in an

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amazing season right now. God has answered so

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many prayers. It's amazing. I mean, I tell you

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something, I've fretted here in years past when

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these things look like politically. And the things

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looked like they've come to fulfillment, what

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they used to teach us in communism. The people

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remember I went 10 years to communistic school.

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And when I would come here, that was always my

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cry that America would wake up. So because they

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said, we're going to take the country from the

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thing. And you can see that's really what happened.

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The country is taken from the thing. And I just

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thank the Lord that he is raising up people who

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rise against. the very things the devil wants

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to destroy this country. And we need to pray

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for President Trump and for the administration

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because this is God -given for such a time as

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this. Otherwise, he would have been finished,

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this nation. We need this administration and

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God putting up President Trump so that God gives

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time yet for America to reach the world and the

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nations and Israel in particular, that the Lord

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can help Israel to rise up out of the ashes and

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out of the struggle. to fulfill our destiny because

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that's the time and season right now like we

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never lived in before. We experience things we

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have never experienced before. And I think God

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is just preparing us for this time. Very, very

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true. Yes. So I remember that you spoke at the

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very first World Convention and a number of conventions.

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Wow. A lot of them. Pregnant. Yes, I remember

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that too. And I always consider you one of the

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founders. You were one of the founders of this

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ministry. So I'm so very grateful that you're

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joining us for this one. You know, I feel like

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we're in the season of trying to find the next

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generation to run alongside of us so we can pass

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the baton to them. Yeah, right. And you're the

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one who has to pass it now, Sharon. Get ready

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your army. Yeah, yeah. Well, I feel like you're

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a part of that baton passing that the people

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who are going to come to this convention are

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going to catch something from the Holy Spirit

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that you have to impart as well. Yeah, thank

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you. I'm going to do my part too, but all of

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us have something that is foundational that will

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help. the next generation to come into the fullness

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of what they're called to do. Absolutely. And

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our calling was unique. Yeah. As a group, you

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know, because there's hardly anything. So, I

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mean, there are some people who do this, but

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just when in challenging us to risk our life

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in situations, just normal people, we were not

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the Burma, whatever you call them. We were not.

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Anybody, just ordinary people have done extraordinary

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things because Gwen really pushed us over the

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edges. She sure did. She sure did. Well, it's

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because she went over the edges herself. Oh,

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yeah. Come on. She was the one who went to China.

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And had to flee as the communists were coming.

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I mean, she was there in that moment. So she,

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right from the beginning of her ministry, she

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was cutting edge in dealing with risking your

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life. She prayed when the magistrate said, you

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know, the communists are coming, they'll be here

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in 24 hours. She stopped and prayed and said,

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do I stay? I'm willing to give my life. Yeah,

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I know. She inspired us all to run a race and

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fly up the cliff to rest. To know the eagles

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or ducks. That's good. Some of us landed. Others

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of us began higher. Yeah, and we're designed

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to go higher. Yeah, absolutely. And let me just

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say this. Siggy, you were the first one that

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I heard speak of both you and Sister Gwen. And

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whatever you were preaching about, I was so resonating

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with it. I didn't understand what was going on.

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I'd had the baptism in the Holy Spirit some,

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maybe five years earlier. I was, oh, maybe only

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four years earlier. I was probably 17 when I

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heard you the first time. And I sat there and

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I cried. And I didn't know why I was crying.

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But there was something about you and Sister

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Gwen that had. an effect on me that I was resonating

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with it. I knew there was something about these

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women that were smuggling Bibles behind the iron

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curtain at the time that I felt connected to

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you. Oh, that's good. And I sat there crying,

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thinking maybe if I sit here crying long enough,

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somebody will come and lay hands on me and prophesy

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and tell me why I'm crying. And you. went off

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talking to somebody and Sister Gwen went back

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to the book table and this was in Brother Dorn's

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church and they were meeting in a junior high

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all -purpose room. So they were taking down the

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chairs all around me. And I thought, well, I

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guess I'll have to dry my tears. Nobody's telling

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me anything. But then the next time when, I'm

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not sure if you were with Gwen, when the next

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time that I came, I don't remember that part,

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but she was speaking. at a women's luncheon that

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Sister Dorn was hosting. And I had just turned

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18 the Thursday before, and this was on a Saturday.

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And my sister said, I want to take you out to

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lunch for your birthday. And she took me to this

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women's meeting. Oh, no kidding. And we ate lunch.

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And as Sister Gwen was speaking, I heard the

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Holy Spirit say, I want you. I want you 100%.

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And I want you right now. And I remember you

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arriving in Angletown. I was right there when

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you arrived. Yeah? Yeah. Oh, my goodness. Yeah.

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That was after the Second World Convention. Was

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it? Yeah. It was 1977. The first one was 76.

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So, yeah, I came, and by that time I had other

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plans. I wasn't really sure that I wanted to

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be here. Yeah, I'm sure. But look at you. You've

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been in Angletown rooted, you and Phil. Yeah.

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That's right. God rooted us. God rooted us. God

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rooted us here. And it's been good. It's been

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so wonderful. You know, some of the stories that

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you have lived through, some of those testimonies

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that, you know, you're talking about, your life

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is your testimony. Yeah, the word testimony is

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the first part is test. Yeah. It's true. And

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it really means a witness. You are a witness

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to things. So, you know, tell us a story or two

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of things that you have witnessed in your ministry

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that were so sovereign that you know that God

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did these things. Well, one thing is for sure

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is because how God called us to South Africa.

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Yeah. Because that was in 1980. We were still

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living in Angletown. And I felt that the Lord

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spoke to me, it's time for you to go to South

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Africa. Now, as I was about nine years old, something

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like that, we didn't have a TV. We still lived

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in East Berlin. And to see the news, we would

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go to the movie theater where they would have

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the news and we would watch the news. So my dad

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took me to see the news and they had a riot.

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in South Africa in the 60s or something in Joburg.

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And the Lord spoke to me as a child then. And

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he says, one day you're going to be in South

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Africa. Wow. I didn't know that. Yeah. So I forgot

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about it. And when the Lord... spoke to my heart.

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And he says, I want you to go to South Africa.

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Then I said, but Lord, I didn't know anything

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about apartheid or that even the seasons were

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different. Because in the 70s, I traveled with

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Gwen mostly to India and Pakistan, the whole

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70s. And we smuggled Bibles to Russia. And that

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was the years I traveled with Gwen. So when we

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traveled around the world, I remember her and

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I, we traveled. for eight months around the world

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trip. And we went to about 12, 15 nations that

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eight, nine months. And I learned then how to

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live by faith because she didn't have much money

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either. And sometimes we would have spent $100

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in a hotel room and we only had $100. So I learned

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there how to live by faith. So when the Lord

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spoke to me that I would go to South Africa,

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I said, Lord, you have to give me. a confirmation

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to that revelation. And we went to one of the

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meetings, I forget, and a man came to me, a brother,

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and he cries, and he says, the Lord told me that

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you need a confirmation, and he gave me a Krugerrand

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in my hand. Oh, wow. For those who don't know,

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what is a Krugerrand? Krugerrand, yeah. It's

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a gold coin from South Africa. Yeah. So as he

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got me that gold coin, I knew I was going to

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go. Wow. So that's how we started. We started,

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we went. Remember, we had Barbara Elizabeth with

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us. Yeah. And we were six of us, and we started,

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and God opened amazing doors in South Africa

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for me. Wow. Yeah. So eventually we stayed there

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about 10 years. you know, coming and going and

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getting our visas. And I've seen God's hand move

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miraculously. I mean, the doors the Lord opened

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for me, they're still open. We know people now

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40 years. We've grown old with them. Every year

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we've seen them. Our kids are old. You know,

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the snowmen, like in Cape Town, I know them from

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the time they're open. I've seen their revivals,

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and I've seen what God has done. And now we're

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all old, you know, and we can just talk about

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what God has done. It's amazing. You have only

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one life to live. That's only what I can say

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to the young people. You have only one life to

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live. If you don't give it all and you hold back,

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you will never really know what God can do with

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an ordinary person. There's nobody more ordinary

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than us to make extraordinary things in our life.

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So that's all. I think that was one big part

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of my life. I think South Africa, we're gone

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now every year, sometimes twice, over 40 years.

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Wow. That's amazing. It's like being home when

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we go there. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I love that. You

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know, it just amazes me how much God can get

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done with ordinary people. And really, everybody

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that he has to work with is broken in some way.

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Of course. So he builds amazing things. And that's

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how we know it's God. Because all he has to work

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with is broken people. Yes, absolutely. But he

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makes us old. You're not the same as when we

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started broken. He finds up our wounds. Yes.

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Sometimes you forget even the pain. You have

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to remember what you had for pain and travail.

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Christ. But if we wouldn't have these pains and

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these travails, we wouldn't birth it either.

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So these pains and these cries and these things

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we carried, we had to birth a new dimension in

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our life. And I thank God for that because he

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made us whole where we've been wounded and he

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helped us where we lacked. Now we get the different

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things. Now our body... decreases as we increase.

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And we have to deal with other things. It's a

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different phase in your life where you have to

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deal with things you thought you never deal with.

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But all the old people had to deal with it. So

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God is helping us to renew our youth. Yes. Strengthen

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us to run our race. You know, my brother is now

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90 years old. Oh, really? We went up there to

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celebrate his birthday last year. This year he's

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91. And what he has done in his life, he's telling

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me, he said, I never knew what I have gone through.

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He went to two divorces. He wanted to be in ministry.

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So in those days when he got divorced, you couldn't

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be in ministry, period. You know, he didn't.

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So he went to that. And now you look at his life.

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God prospered him so much when you look what

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God has done in his life. Just what I see, he

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has built a ministry in Botswana. He built a

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church, a children's home. He built this big

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church in East London, and that's a story itself.

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Jennifer calls me. That was maybe 10 years ago.

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This is his wife. She said, Ryan wants to travel

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with you for one week and just see what you do

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there. So we met him in Cape Town. He came with

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us. Some friends always give us some cars, so

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we had the car. We drove all the way from Cape

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Town, you know, the Garden Route to Platt and

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so on. And as we came to East London, now they

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became friends of ours as Rocco and Maureen.

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And their church, they're a white Africana couple,

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and they have a black church. Now, they didn't

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start out black. It's in the middle of East London.

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And then they had the old Baptist church, and

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the people was pressed into that church. Whole

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500, 600, they had about three meetings in the

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morning to get all the people in. So my brother

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comes there and he sees they have a plan in front

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how they're going to build a church. And all

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the little kids come with little jars and coins

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and put it on the altar. And my brother, the

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Lord moved my brother without anything to say.

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He went back home and he raised the money to

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build this fantastic church in the middle of

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East London. And you can see it now. It's a huge

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church. Now their church gets so full, it can

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get in about 1 ,200 people, I think. Wow. That

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they have to start maybe two meetings. And they

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have a mission. You should go there sometimes

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when you go to East London, or when you've been

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there in East London and the newbie. You can

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go and minister there. It's so fantastic what

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God is doing to that church in the middle of

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East London. And you know now that my brother...

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On top of it, he built a hospital in the Congo.

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And now they're involved with a hospital in Honduras,

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I think. So God has done things out of a broken

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life. You know, as he was broken, and he's my

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brother, was the one I got saved. Really? Yes,

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he came. I was so lost. In Germany, I immigrated

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three times in my life. I immigrated twice to

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Canada, I immigrated to America. And as I immigrated

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the first time, I was only 16. By myself, I couldn't

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speak English or anything. So I went back to

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Germany when I was 18, totally confused, messed

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up. And the Lord spoke to my brother, and he

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said with his wife, Dana, I want you to go to

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Germany. So he came to Germany thinking that

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God is going to open the door because he was

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going to be a missionary in Germany because he

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thought the Germans, you know, are not open.

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We all struggled with our survival yet. And see,

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the wall was still in place in Germany. So when

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he came, nobody accepted him because he was too

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stiff. for the Pentecostals and too vile for

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the Baptists. He was in the middle. So I remember

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between New Year's and Christmas, that was just

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New Year's, I think in 1969, 68, turning 16,

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no, 65 or 64. So he comes to me and he said,

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see, it's time that you give your life to Jesus.

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And you know, you got Houston coming all the

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way from Canada to save me. I would surrender

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to the Lord right there as he brought me to the

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Lord. And he practically just came so I could

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get saved. And then he left. He went back to

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Canada. He went to a divorce. He had to start.

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He started the business. And now he's 91 years

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old. You can see how God used that broken life

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to build something through his life, which only

00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:40.680
God could use him for. And I just thank God that

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he can use us just when we're willing to be used

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for his purpose. So that was one of my great

00:27:49.019 --> 00:27:53.119
experiences. to see my brother all these years.

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And you know, as he was, he had this business.

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He retired when he was about 74. And they had

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a huge party. And all the business people came.

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And all his employees came. He had more than

00:28:07.579 --> 00:28:11.579
one business. Employees came and they gave testimony.

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And I never forget that one guy, one of his managers,

00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:20.180
he said, I just want to tell you. We couldn't

00:28:20.180 --> 00:28:25.660
wait to go to work because we felt such a presence

00:28:25.660 --> 00:28:30.779
in this job. And that's how the Lord used my

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brother in such a way to enhance the kingdom.

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And, you know, he's not known in any big ministries,

00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:45.019
just a little old man. But he reached so many

00:28:45.019 --> 00:28:48.220
people. And I just thank the Lord for his life.

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He touched my life. And he helped us many times

00:28:51.259 --> 00:28:55.420
to go on our trips and to do the things we needed

00:28:55.420 --> 00:28:59.859
to do. And, you know, God is amazing. He was

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almost 17 when he escaped to Canada. I remember

00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:07.660
I was nine years old when he escaped. And he

00:29:07.660 --> 00:29:10.420
couldn't speak any English. And he would come

00:29:10.420 --> 00:29:13.839
to Canada. He didn't know anybody. He started

00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:17.559
from scratch in the oil fields and Yukon and

00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:20.799
did all kinds of things. And look at him. If

00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:23.319
you just surrender your life, even if you make

00:29:23.319 --> 00:29:27.500
mistakes, God uses you to touch lives. And how

00:29:27.500 --> 00:29:31.059
his life has touched. When I go to East London,

00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:34.099
that's why. It's such a memorial when you see

00:29:34.099 --> 00:29:38.779
that church. It reaches the whole. There's no

00:29:38.779 --> 00:29:42.160
more beautiful church than this church in the

00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:45.539
middle of the downtown of East London. So that

00:29:45.539 --> 00:29:49.099
is a big testimony at the area. That's tremendous.

00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:53.500
You know, you said a word that I'd like you to

00:29:53.500 --> 00:29:56.279
expound on a little bit. You said the word surrender.

00:29:57.160 --> 00:29:59.980
Surrender your life. And that's, you know, that's

00:29:59.980 --> 00:30:04.480
kind of how we grew up in this ministry was with

00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:07.640
the idea of surrender. As you surrender, then...

00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:09.720
You know, when you give up your will, then God's

00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:12.819
will can be done. Yeah, yeah. So tell us a little

00:30:12.819 --> 00:30:15.000
bit more about your experiences with surrender.

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Well, I think it's very practical, really. Like,

00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:21.819
for instance, the first time I smuggled Bibles

00:30:21.819 --> 00:30:25.119
with Gwen into Czechoslovakia. Now that's written

00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:29.400
in that book, Sigi and I. So now I've been a

00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:32.359
smuggler since I've been little. We smuggled

00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:36.109
cheese and wool. And, you know, we had Angora

00:30:36.109 --> 00:30:39.170
rabbit. We smuggled the wool out and we smuggled

00:30:39.170 --> 00:30:43.490
things in so we could live. So I knew about smuggling.

00:30:43.529 --> 00:30:47.049
And many times we would be pulled out and I had

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experience. Now it's easy to surrender if you

00:30:50.569 --> 00:30:53.150
don't have any experience. I always tell this

00:30:53.150 --> 00:30:55.549
story. For instance, when you smuggle Bible,

00:30:55.769 --> 00:30:59.390
you take two Americans who had no experiences

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or you take. Two Germans, like Herman, for instance,

00:31:04.420 --> 00:31:08.519
remember? And me. Me living behind the Iron Curtain.

00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:12.599
Herman, five years in the slavery, Polish slave

00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:16.119
labor camp. And then two Americans or three who

00:31:16.119 --> 00:31:19.799
only have an ideal. They're going to do this.

00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:22.819
Now, we are four of us, but we will not react

00:31:22.819 --> 00:31:26.799
the same. The two of us, you have no scars. You

00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:29.140
just praise the Lord. Thank the Lord. Hallelujah.

00:31:30.109 --> 00:31:33.329
But us who have scars, who've been almost killed

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or dragged out, who've been persecuted by the

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communists, we know what they're doing. We react

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different. Our surrender is not just raising

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the hand. We feel the feelings of what could

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happen because we experienced it in our life.

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And I remember when we started that and I realized

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when I came to the borders, I was scared because

00:32:00.769 --> 00:32:03.190
I knew what would happen. Like when we went to

00:32:03.190 --> 00:32:06.130
smuggle Bibles. Now, I've been a smuggler and

00:32:06.130 --> 00:32:09.150
we hid it and that. And when Gwen and I went

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and I said to her, well, how do we get this in?

00:32:13.690 --> 00:32:16.869
It's not smuggling. You just load the Bibles

00:32:16.869 --> 00:32:19.809
up. Anybody can see it. She said, yeah, you have

00:32:19.809 --> 00:32:22.829
to trust the Lord. Now, that night, I couldn't

00:32:22.829 --> 00:32:26.460
hardly sleep. Because I know, I said, it's not

00:32:26.460 --> 00:32:30.180
what I do. I mean, before I would hide. I would

00:32:30.180 --> 00:32:34.759
hide the stuff. We would hide behind the legs

00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:38.500
of people. We would run around into different

00:32:38.500 --> 00:32:43.200
compartments to get away from the soldiers. And

00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:46.259
they would snatch us. And I remember Crystal,

00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:49.900
I would say, you know, everybody can take everything

00:32:49.900 --> 00:32:54.289
away. But the only thing what we can do is. What

00:32:54.289 --> 00:32:58.150
they can take is what we eat. So sometimes when

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we had these sheets and this milk powder, before

00:33:01.410 --> 00:33:04.289
we would come to the border, we would eat it.

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Because I thought, oh, if I had my bill, I was

00:33:08.210 --> 00:33:11.470
not hungry. When I was hungry, it was not my

00:33:11.470 --> 00:33:15.369
point. The point was that I had something somewhere

00:33:15.369 --> 00:33:18.490
where they could not steal it. Because anything

00:33:18.490 --> 00:33:22.180
on the outside, anybody can take from you. And

00:33:22.180 --> 00:33:24.920
I thought, this is one thing they cannot take.

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So when I came to the border with Gwen and the

00:33:28.859 --> 00:33:32.940
woman started to load the car, I said, that's

00:33:32.940 --> 00:33:36.200
not smuggling. That's just bringing them in.

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And then that night, I had to come to the place.

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I would shake in my bed because I knew what it

00:33:43.940 --> 00:33:46.660
was like to cross the border, as I crossed many.

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I would shake and I would sweat. And I thought,

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oh, my golly, my ministry is finished before

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it started already. And, you know, that surrender

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is not that you have a feeling, that you do it

00:34:01.299 --> 00:34:04.700
in spite of your feeling, that your commitment

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becomes bigger than your fears. I can't say that

00:34:08.219 --> 00:34:12.280
I've ever been fearless. Perfect love casts out

00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:15.420
all fear. I can't say that. I can't say I've

00:34:15.420 --> 00:34:18.920
done things without fear. Everything I have done,

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dangerous. I dealt with fear. But my commitment

00:34:23.900 --> 00:34:28.920
to surrender is to surrender these fears and

00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:32.019
to trust the Lord and to say, Lord, here am I.

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Whatever happened, happened. To come to that

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place is like being kicked out of the nest. And

00:34:38.420 --> 00:34:40.829
that's the only way. You're going to learn how

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to fly. Otherwise, you never. Our instinct of

00:34:44.849 --> 00:34:48.849
self -preservation is so strong. Yes. I mean,

00:34:49.050 --> 00:34:52.769
I admire. We need young people. They have to

00:34:52.769 --> 00:34:56.500
do certain things now. And God is raising up

00:34:56.500 --> 00:34:59.599
some young people. I've watched, and I thank

00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:03.420
God. They're fearless to go into the colleges.

00:35:03.780 --> 00:35:07.760
They're fearless to confront these students,

00:35:08.179 --> 00:35:12.539
Hamas. They look fearless. But I know to come

00:35:12.539 --> 00:35:15.699
to that place, they have to surrender their fears

00:35:15.699 --> 00:35:20.260
so God can give them the ability to function

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in that surrender. and to be used as that instrument

00:35:24.820 --> 00:35:29.980
for his glory. So it's not easy, but it's possible.

00:35:30.300 --> 00:35:33.900
And remember, the mother eagle kicks you out

00:35:33.900 --> 00:35:37.719
of the nest. She doesn't teach you how to fly.

00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:41.420
You have to skip. And she kicks you. Then when

00:35:41.420 --> 00:35:43.679
you kick, then you realize you're not a sick

00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:48.619
kid. Hallelujah, me. That's good. That's good.

00:35:48.679 --> 00:35:51.719
But the mother eagle does also fly down underneath

00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:54.340
in case you're just in free fall. But she has

00:35:54.340 --> 00:35:58.559
to fall a while. Then she catches it. That's

00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:01.739
what the Lord does. He lets us fall. And see

00:36:01.739 --> 00:36:06.889
what you do in that fall. Wow. Wow, that's a

00:36:06.889 --> 00:36:09.889
good illustration. Life is not easy, but it's

00:36:09.889 --> 00:36:14.750
worth it. Yes, very, very true. Very, very true.

00:36:14.829 --> 00:36:18.230
And it's really for the glory of God. And I'm

00:36:18.230 --> 00:36:21.110
sure you've seen occasions where, like talking

00:36:21.110 --> 00:36:24.010
about your brother, it's for the glory of God.

00:36:24.110 --> 00:36:28.210
What He does in each of our lives as He leads

00:36:28.210 --> 00:36:31.630
us by His Spirit is something that is going to

00:36:31.630 --> 00:36:35.389
be for His glory, even if we have to suffer some.

00:36:36.049 --> 00:36:39.929
Yes. You have to come to that place to do it.

00:36:40.010 --> 00:36:42.730
I mean, not everybody who is wealthy does that.

00:36:43.469 --> 00:36:48.170
That's true. Very few. Because he gives millions

00:36:48.170 --> 00:36:53.070
to missions. That's amazing. You know, I'm reminded

00:36:53.070 --> 00:36:55.349
of, I don't know if you've seen the book that

00:36:55.349 --> 00:36:58.550
I wrote, Rich Wounds. No, I've never read it.

00:36:58.610 --> 00:37:01.050
No. Okay. I think I haven't seen you since I

00:37:01.050 --> 00:37:03.630
wrote that book. It's an eternal perspective

00:37:03.630 --> 00:37:07.929
on suffering. Oh, good. And I got the initial

00:37:07.929 --> 00:37:11.789
revelation, the initial experience happened in

00:37:11.789 --> 00:37:14.730
South Africa. God used South Africa in my life

00:37:14.730 --> 00:37:17.829
as well. And it's an interesting connection there.

00:37:17.889 --> 00:37:20.969
There's something very special about South Africa

00:37:20.969 --> 00:37:23.610
because it is also a melting pot like America.

00:37:23.889 --> 00:37:25.929
And you know, now we really have to pray because

00:37:25.929 --> 00:37:28.650
the government looks like it's collapsing. Oh,

00:37:28.650 --> 00:37:30.730
really? Yeah. Hadn't been following that. Wow.

00:37:31.179 --> 00:37:33.159
Well, we'll add that to our prayers. Yeah, because

00:37:33.159 --> 00:37:36.199
the people are suffering there. I mean, what

00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:40.039
they do, first they had all these shutdowns for

00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:43.659
hours and hours, but now they make the electricity

00:37:43.659 --> 00:37:46.920
so high that some of the people we know have

00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:49.699
to sell their houses because they can't pay their

00:37:49.699 --> 00:37:53.599
electricity. Oh, my goodness. It's very bad.

00:37:54.300 --> 00:37:57.679
Wow. Wow, wow, wow. So what my brother done,

00:37:57.900 --> 00:38:01.489
he actually... put solar panels on the church

00:38:01.489 --> 00:38:06.130
because the church has no windows and anything.

00:38:06.389 --> 00:38:08.909
So when the power went out, they were sitting

00:38:08.909 --> 00:38:12.530
in the dark and they had no microphone. So he

00:38:12.530 --> 00:38:16.710
invested in solar panels on the church just a

00:38:16.710 --> 00:38:20.489
few years ago. So that changed their whole life

00:38:20.489 --> 00:38:25.880
now. Wow. Wow, that's glorious. Well, Siggy,

00:38:25.940 --> 00:38:28.360
we really appreciate you taking time with us

00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:32.300
today. Oh, no, love it. Did you have any other

00:38:32.300 --> 00:38:34.780
stories? No, I have lots of them, but I think

00:38:34.780 --> 00:38:38.139
that's enough. Okay. Well, I'm sure you'll tell

00:38:38.139 --> 00:38:40.739
some more at the convention. I'm sure you will.

00:38:40.900 --> 00:38:43.079
And I know that the Lord is going to give you

00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:46.219
a word. One of the things I enjoy about watching

00:38:46.219 --> 00:38:49.550
you get ready for ministry. is that you're just

00:38:49.550 --> 00:38:52.469
sitting there or standing there worshiping, and

00:38:52.469 --> 00:38:54.170
then all of a sudden you sit down and you start

00:38:54.170 --> 00:38:56.050
rolling through your Bible and putting markers

00:38:56.050 --> 00:38:58.489
in about what the Lord is giving you in that

00:38:58.489 --> 00:39:01.809
moment for the word that you're about to bring

00:39:01.809 --> 00:39:04.150
on the platform. I just love how the Holy Spirit

00:39:04.150 --> 00:39:07.130
does that. And actually, I minister that way

00:39:07.130 --> 00:39:09.989
more than any other way. There's lots of times

00:39:09.989 --> 00:39:12.710
that I'll make notes and then never use them.

00:39:12.949 --> 00:39:17.820
Did you enjoy your trip to Chicago? No. Oh, yes.

00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:21.460
Yes, we did. We had a wonderful time ministering

00:39:21.460 --> 00:39:23.960
in different places in the Midwest, and it was

00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:27.980
really, really good. Good. Yeah. So would you

00:39:27.980 --> 00:39:32.769
pray for our listeners? Yes. Lord Jesus, I just

00:39:32.769 --> 00:39:35.730
thank you so much for the opportunity to just

00:39:35.730 --> 00:39:39.869
share our testimony. Lord, just for the opportunity

00:39:39.869 --> 00:39:42.949
to see Sharon and Phil and to see what they're

00:39:42.949 --> 00:39:46.230
doing. And Lord, we pray for everyone who listens.

00:39:46.469 --> 00:39:50.329
And you know everybody's pain and you know everybody's

00:39:50.329 --> 00:39:53.550
joy. You know everybody, Lord, who struggles.

00:39:53.969 --> 00:39:56.849
And Lord, I thank you that in every struggle

00:39:56.849 --> 00:40:00.550
to change Jacob into Israel, that no struggle

00:40:00.550 --> 00:40:03.590
is... in vain because you make us overcome us.

00:40:03.730 --> 00:40:07.670
And I pray right now that you reach down to everyone,

00:40:07.929 --> 00:40:10.429
oh God, who's discouraged, give them courage.

00:40:10.730 --> 00:40:14.190
Who is sick, make them healthy. Lord, fulfill

00:40:14.190 --> 00:40:17.590
their destiny in their lives. That is most of

00:40:17.590 --> 00:40:20.349
all. And Lord, I just pray for the convention

00:40:20.349 --> 00:40:23.690
too. I pray that you draw your people, Lord,

00:40:23.789 --> 00:40:26.469
and that you're going to do what you need to

00:40:26.469 --> 00:40:30.829
do and share and feel that burden. Lord, to bring

00:40:30.829 --> 00:40:34.349
your people together, Lord, just like in the

00:40:34.349 --> 00:40:38.489
time of Jubilee, Lord. Lord Jesus, will the slaves

00:40:38.489 --> 00:40:42.050
set free and will people regain their properties.

00:40:42.510 --> 00:40:45.989
And Lord, where there comes a harvest which is

00:40:45.989 --> 00:40:49.309
not sown by man. And I just thank you, Lord,

00:40:49.369 --> 00:40:52.730
for the power and anointing of your Spirit. Encourage

00:40:52.730 --> 00:40:55.889
everyone right now, Lord. Encourage Sharon and

00:40:55.889 --> 00:40:59.010
Phil. As they're planning and preparing this

00:40:59.010 --> 00:41:02.829
convention for every speaker, Lord Jesus, we

00:41:02.829 --> 00:41:06.190
don't just want to do things to do, but we're

00:41:06.190 --> 00:41:09.710
doing things because in doing so, you're going

00:41:09.710 --> 00:41:13.110
to manifest your power and you manifest your

00:41:13.110 --> 00:41:16.710
glory. So bless Sharon and Phil, bless Global

00:41:16.710 --> 00:41:20.199
Outpouring. everyone of God who is connected

00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:23.639
to. And I pray that you bring a hunger in our

00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:27.539
hearts to fulfill this ministry and the destiny,

00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:38.860
I pray in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. If you enjoyed

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