Lana Silk: A Life of Adventure

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Hey friends, welcome to the Her God Story podcast

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where you will always hear a good story to encourage

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and inspire you in your walk with the Lord. I

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am so glad you tuned in. I'm your host, Jodie

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Chiricosta, ministry leader at Somebody Cares

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America, international author and traveler on

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own lives, church, and community that we forget

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answering our prayers and intimately supplying

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our needs, He's also doing that for people all

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over the world. He is Lord of all the earth,

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and His desire is that all people from every

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nation, tribe, and tongue become part of His

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family. Acts 17, 24 through 28a gives us a glimpse

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of his plan. The New Living Translation reads,

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He decided beforehand when they should rise and

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fall, and He determined their boundaries. His

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purpose was for the nations to seek after God

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and perhaps feel their way toward Him and find

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Him, though He's not far from any one of us.

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For in Him we live and move and exist. My guest,

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Lana Silk, is an advocate for seeing the people

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of Iran come to know the Lord. That is where

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she first encountered Him. Born and raised in

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Iran, Lana later moved to the UK, where she earned

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an honors degree in computer engineering, followed

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by post -graduate studies in marketing communication

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strategy. Her journey led her into a career in

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branding, fundraising, and nonprofit consulting,

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as well as ministry. She served as a church minister,

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worship leader, and college chaplain, focusing

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on youth mental health and safeguarding. Now

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living in Ohio with her husband and three children,

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Lana serves as the chief executive officer of

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Transform Iran USA. She's committed to bringing

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freedom and hope to the people of Iran through

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ministry and humanitarian aid. Fluent in three

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languages and deeply dedicated to advocacy, she

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considers it her life's calling to be a voice

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for Iran in the West. She has an amazing story,

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and I know it will inspire you. Welcome, Lana.

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Thank you, Jody. Can you tell us, take us back

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to your early years in Iran? It's a nation that's

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so mysterious to many people in the West. How

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did your faith journey begin and in what ways

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did God shape your upbringing? So I was born

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in an Islamic Republic in Iran. And so right

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from the beginning, I was surrounded by Muslim

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propaganda and a desire by the authorities around

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me to brainwash me for want of a better word

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and have me sign up to the government's ethos.

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I was very privileged that my parents were both

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Christians. My dad is a second generation Christian.

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My mom is a first generation Christian. And they

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brought us up to love Jesus. And really I think

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one of the many things I'm so grateful for for

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those early years is an understanding of a living,

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active relationship with Jesus where he really

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is the source of all my needs, the source of

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my relational needs, my fulfillment, my joy,

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and everything was God -centered. So I think

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right from the beginning the yes was always stronger

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than the no. You know, what our parents were

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inviting us into as children was a life of adventure

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where God was exciting and alive and supernatural

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and, you know, active in our lives, and that

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was always more appealing than the alternative.

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So we learned from an early, right from the beginning

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what it was to live that way. And I think that's

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what shaped things for me because it caused me

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to, well, my parents modeled to me what it was

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to live in steps of faith. So from an early stage

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with them following the voice of God to leave

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Iran when they didn't know why, And then following

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his voice to establish a ministry to Iranians,

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step by step obedience, acts of faith, no need

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for the full picture, just need the step in front

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of you now. And I think when that's modeled to

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you as well, and you walk in the good of what

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it looks like to have the fruit of that in your

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life. then it shapes your own decision -making.

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That is so true. My parents also modeled a living

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faith for me when I was young. And it was just,

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there was no question that God is alive and well

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and loving. And I know not everyone's experience

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is that. And you certainly lived in an environment

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where people all around you were not experiencing

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the goodness of God. I would imagine you may

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have faced some persecution along the way. Yes,

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a little bit. For me personally, I was a little

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bit oblivious to some of those dangers. My mom

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tells me the story of when I was maybe eight

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years old, something like that, standing on the

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balcony in our apartment in Tehran and shouting

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out to the pastors by about how Jesus was Lord

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and they needed to repent of their sins. They

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were having to drag me into the house. You cannot

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shout like that from the balcony. I was naive

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in it a little bit, but also I think that stemmed

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from such a a pure and sort of passionate faith

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that surely this is true and surely everyone

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needs to hear and what are we going to do about

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it? It's that kind of urgency. Yeah, so they

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did a good job of walking that fine line of protecting

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me so that I didn't walk in fear, but also protecting

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me so I didn't make the crazy mistake. But yeah,

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I mean, I went to an Islamic school. They lined

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us up in the schoolyard in the mornings and had

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us shout, death to America, death to Israel.

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Everything was very Islamic, very propaganda

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driven. And yet I guess the truth of what I'd

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experienced in Jesus was so real and so dominating

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in my thinking that there was never any risk

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of that being compromised in my mind. Yeah, that's

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amazing because boy, you sure could have just

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bowed to the the cultural pressure, the peer

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pressure, you know, this is what everybody else

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believes. Why am I different? Yeah. But we are

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a peculiar people, a chosen generation, a royal

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priesthood. And you knew that from an early age.

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Yeah, I did. Yeah. Never afraid to be different.

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Some of that is personality makeup, I think.

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And some of that is Christian personality that

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I guess we all should have a little bit of, which

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is that we are supposed to be different. And

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actually, our message is a little bit offensive.

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I think we have come too far down the line of

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wanting to appease people and keep people happy.

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In the name of tolerance, some things get compromised

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sometimes. Jesus was offensive to the powers

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that be in his day. Yeah, yeah. To the powers

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that want to keep us captive, certainly offensive.

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Yeah, yeah. Well, throughout your life, I'm sure

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you have many, many stories, but, you know, whether

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in your move to UK or career or relationships,

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what are some of those pivotal moments where

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you saw clearly God's hand guiding you and protecting

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you along the way, starting when you were eight

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years old even? Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I've

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always been passionate by nature, like in every

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way. I'm an all -in kind of person. So it was...

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Faith could never have been a bolt on, it was

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everything. And some of that was also because

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of what I'd experienced and I wanted everything.

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I didn't want half of it. I think one of my earlier

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memories that sort of had a shaping effect on

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my life was when I was baptised. I was sort of

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13, 14, 15, that kind of age. And I was... I

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was very excited and the way they did baptisms

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in my church was you would get up and you would

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give your testimony and that in itself had been

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a bit of a journey for me because I didn't have

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a, you know, I was a drug addict and a criminal

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and I didn't have that story and I was a little

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bit sort of, I remember that process of struggling

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a little bit with well my story's not very exciting

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and then having a revelation of how exciting

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it is too. go from death to life in the spirit,

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you know, that understanding that that's actually

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the most dramatic conversion that we can have.

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So that revelation had led to my testimony that

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written was very excited to share it. And it

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was just so there was so much joy and excitement

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in the moment. And then after I was baptized,

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I was at the back and was getting changed. And

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I didn't what I didn't know was that my dad had

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received a phone call just before I was baptized.

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to let him know that his best friend had just

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been martyred in Iran. And his best friend was

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the superintendent of the church in Iran. It's

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actually ended up being one of the most sort

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of infamous martyrdoms that took place in those

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early days of the story changing for what the

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church looked like in Iran and how it was being

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persecuted. And so he carried that in himself

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to let me have that sort of excitement of the

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baptism. And then after when I was at the back,

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he got up and shared it with the church. And

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so then my cousin had come running to the back

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in floods of tears while I was getting ready

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saying, they've killed him, they've killed him.

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And I had no idea what she was talking. You know,

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there was no point of reference. They weren't

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killing people at that time. Yeah. So it took

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a little while for me to understand what she

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was saying and exactly what had happened. And

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I'd known him as uncle. Like it was, he had grown

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up with his kids. It was very close to home.

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And I remember as I was processing that, the

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Lord's speaking to me saying, you know, what

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you've just done, that process that you've just,

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you know, that baptism that you've just publicly

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declared that you want to follow me. This is

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what we're talking about here. You know, this

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is an all or nothing kind of faith. So it was

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very, very dramatic in my mind because it was

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a reminder of what it means to follow Christ.

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So. Yeah, it was more of what I knew I guess

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but it was very just that the timing of it has

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never been lost for me just that yeah, so That

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was very very formative when we do baptism We

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are dying to our own self and we are raising

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to new life and when I was growing up I listened

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a lot to a minister named Derek Prince. He was

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a fabulous Bible preacher a Bible teacher And

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he, I remember hearing him talk one day about

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our approach to Christianity and that the communists

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say, we are just dead men walking. And Jesus

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and, and, and Derek Prince said, no, you know,

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Christians, we are dead men walking. We are dead

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to ourselves and we live for Christ. And whatever

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happens in our life, we know we're alive for

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eternity, but we have to die to everything else.

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And that. That revelation and that embracing

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that kind of lifestyle is transformative. It's

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shocking at first when you think, whoa, wait

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a minute, this is really it. It's all or nothing.

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But it's also so freeing when you finally realize

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that and you embrace it. And I think a lot of

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people have a hard time embracing that. They

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think, you know, I really kind of like. doing

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some things my way and God loves for us to enjoy

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life and the beauty of his creation but dying

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and being real realizing that at any moment he

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could call for that you know he could call it

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call us in call us home for his purpose for his

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glory I'm sure that even though there was great

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hardship God was glorified through that martyrdom

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in some way yeah absolutely and he continues

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to be is that story continues to have ripple

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effects and new people are exposed to it. Absolutely.

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I think there is a, like you say, a sort of a

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freedom that comes in relinquishing our hold

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on the things that we don't need to hold. Letting

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God be God. You know, we've lived a life of adventure

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with him, my husband and I now with our children

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and it's... we've taken some steps of faith that

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have been illogical for humans, and yet so freeing

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for us, because when God tells you to jump, you

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jump, and you think, well, it's kind of God's

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problem now. It's his story, and if he wants

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me here, then it's his responsibility to provide

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for me here, so I'm in his care, and it's...

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Yeah, letting him do his part and us doing that

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part is very free. Yeah, give us an example of

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just one of those things that you felt like you

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were just jumping. There have been a few. He's

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very gracious in that he eases us into the next

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stage. The word talks about stretching your tent

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curtains. The actual process of stretching is

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uncomfortable. but it increases the ground that

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we cover, it increases our territory, it'll increase

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our legacy, even our impact. And I feel like

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for me, every step, every decision that I've

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made got to stretch me a little bit more into

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that little bit of a bigger risk, that little

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bit of a bigger ask, a bigger dream, a bigger

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unknown, and then every time a bigger blessing,

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a bigger impact, a deeper understanding of him,

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a greater intimacy with him. So... you know the

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first one that I remember well you know for me

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I made a decision right in my teens that I wouldn't

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make any life -altering decisions without a prophetic

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confirmation from God. I think it was kind of

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a revelation of this letting God be God thing

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of well look do I really believe that he has

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a plan and a will for my life and do I really

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believe that he's good and he is a God of clarity

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so then if I really believe this thing then Why

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wouldn't he know what I should do in every big

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decision that I make and then why wouldn't he

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tell me what I should do? So that was a revelation

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I had pretty early on and right down to so the

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first decision of course was what college do

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I go to and it was a it was a prayerful decision

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and actually ended up going somewhere that I

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wasn't hadn't been a plan a and it was such a

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big blessing for me and I met my husband there

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and so then every step you know with my husband

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when we were dating we sort of reaffirmed this

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decision well we won't there'll be there's no

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marriage in this without God's confirmation and

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then the story of how he confirmed through a

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vision and through a prophetic word through another

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person to each of us that we are we are his best

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plan for each other and so we we've always lived

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like that but the first one that really was a

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big step for me was when we made a big sort of

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career change for my husband, well, a job change,

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and with that, a big house move. So I was pregnant

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with our third child, and we bought a house near

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where my parents live, we were settled, I picked

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up the schools that my kids would go to, and

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my husband had just been promoted to... director

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at his company and everything was going really

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well and my mom was down the road and I was gonna

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have another baby and then he my husband started

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getting headhunted for a job and I for me it

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was just fun like oh isn't this fun that you

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know you you can be noticed by people and they

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you know they want to interview you and he was

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keen to explore it but I think in my head it

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was all Well, you're just having some fun here

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and you're seeing what the wider market thinks

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of you, but of course I'm not going anywhere.

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And I remember my mom once said to me, how do

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you feel about moving? And I said, no, we're

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not moving. He's just interviewing, we're not

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moving. God hasn't said anything and he hasn't

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said anything. And we both knew that we wouldn't

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move without God saying anything. And this place

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was like a two, three hour drive. from our house,

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which in England is a big deal. That's right

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across the country. Like in America now I'm learning

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everything's shrinking. Like three hours is,

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you know, you go shopping three hours away. In

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England you don't do that. So it was just a whole

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different world. We didn't know anyone there.

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And he came home from one of his interviews and

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said, I'm really getting excited about this job.

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I think I want it. And I said, well, you know,

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we can't... We're not moving because God's not

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saying anything. He said, well, we need to really

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start praying because my emotions are changing

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about this. I started digging into the word and

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everything that I was reading was confirming

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my own earthly desire to stay. So it was all

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like the boundary lines have fallen in pleasant

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places and those kinds of scriptures. It was,

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we're not going. And then it got a bit more urgent

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and I thought, no, I really, really need to pray.

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At that time, nobody knew because he was very

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senior in his company and Rod couldn't get out

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that this was happening. And so it was just us,

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just us and our parents that knew that we were

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even exploring this possibility or that he was.

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So I thought, well, I'm just going to cast the

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net wide. So I went on Facebook. And this is

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like 30 years ago now. Facebook is slightly different

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to what it was back then. But I put on Facebook,

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Lana needs to hear God. Anyone got a word? and

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I got some very funny responses and then this

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one guy went and prayed and he sent me a message

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and he said I felt I needed to pray for you properly

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and I've got something for you, I'm not really

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sure if it makes sense but I feel like what God

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is saying is you need to go and I'm going with

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you. It was just It was not the right answer.

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It was such a shock. And I remember just sitting

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there and crying, reading this message over and

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over and thinking, wow, we're going. But it never,

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ever crossed my mind that I wouldn't go because

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I wanted God's will. And I knew that the blessing

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was in God's will. But I also didn't want to

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go in my earthly self. It was a really difficult

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time for me because It was a wrenching goodbye.

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And actually, I'm going into a lot of detail

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now, but my husband had ended up having to go

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earlier because the job started, but I was setting

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up the house. So in the end, I drove up by myself.

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And I remember in that drive listening to Chris

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Tomlin's, Where You Go, I'll Go, Where You Stay,

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I'll Stay, and just processing that and singing

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and crying and thinking, God, it's hard because

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I'm leaving my family behind. I'm leaving everything

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I planned that was going to be so good for my

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children behind. I don't know anything of what's

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waiting for me there, but I will go where you

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go. I want what you want, but this is right.

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Yeah. Obedience is, is, you know, it is that

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way. You know, it is that dying to self. It's

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that little bit, little by little, you know,

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God shows us. That's that part of you is now

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dead and you're alive in me. And I've had a few

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of those experiences where, you know, I've obeyed,

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but begrudgingly it's like, okay, God, I'm going

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to obey because it's you, but you know, I'm doing

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it under protest almost. But when I get there

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and get in the middle of it, I realize God knows

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me so much better than I know myself. He brings

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me and shows me who I am by the steps he has

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me take and the fulfillment of obedience. You

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know, we spent 10 years in the end in that place

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before there was another similar story that brought

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us to America that, you know, we just, we had

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never had better like. deeper, more lasting friendships.

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We'd never been more fulfilled in ministry. Our

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children thrived in that environment. We'd never

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been happier. And it was God's goodness to us

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in that place. And of course, I'm sure if God's

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will had been for us to stay, I'd have been saying

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the same thing about what we left. But you know,

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the scriptures changed as I began to understand

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what he was saying. And it was all about the

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pillar of fire moving and the pillar of cloud

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moving, you know, the blessing then. moves and

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sometimes place one is where God is and where

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he wants us and where we're blessed but when

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he then moves on and he wants us in place two

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suddenly place one is no longer as good for us

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and we can be in a place that is blessed but

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then overstay we've got comfortable and suddenly

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it's not as good as it was before and I think

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we avoided that in the courage that it took to

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obey him and the blessing was greater and you

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know when we talk about that stretching little

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by little then the next move that came for us

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was across the Atlantic to a place that we'd

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never heard of and never knew anyone and that

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was an even tougher move and then we had teenagers

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at that time but it God had prepared us for that

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and again, I would say I've never been happier.

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I've never been more fulfilled I've also never

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been more stretched I've also never been more

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uncomfortable and he's growing me and he's he's

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he wants more and more for me, you know And and

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he tells me like it says in Isaiah your ears

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shall hear that word behind you saying This is

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the way walk in it. And every time he's doing

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that in his kindness and he's growing. Yeah,

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it is in his kindness. I was reading the last

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night in Ephesians one, and it talks about, you

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know, that God gives us all these inheritance

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in heavenly realms. But it says he does it for

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his great pleasure. Yeah. I mean, out of his

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great pleasure gives him pleasure to bless us

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and to lead us into more blessing. Yeah. Yeah.

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It's not just let me see what I can do. that

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to them, you know, let me see what trouble I

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can get them. No, it's his pleasure to bless

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us and to lead us along the way. Well, Lana,

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was there a particular experience or season that

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really significantly deepened your relationship,

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your personal relationship with God, and helped

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define your personal and even spiritual path?

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I think probably the most recent would be this

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move to the U .S. It was... step up from what

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we've done before in terms of trust and Really

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leaning into him. I had to really practice More

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than I've ever had to before The process of God

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being my source of everything, you know friendship

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fulfillment validation Joy peace Because as well

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as having that physical dislocation and sort

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of Cut being cut off from my whole community

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and everything that I knew but it was also a

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cultural range and so Everything like all the

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creature comforts to win right down to like my

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favorite food, you know It's just a really basic

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things when you just complete in a different

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world So it was hard but when God Gives you clarity

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for his will and he does do that. I think are

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willing to be patient and wait and practice what

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it is to hear his voice, what his voice sounds

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like. I didn't go from zero to get on a plane

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and move to America. The first steps would have

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been things like go to school this morning and

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tell this person that I love her and then I go

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to school and I find out it's her birthday and

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I didn't even know. Just every time, little steps.

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Lord, I'm willing to look a fool for you. I'm

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willing to be uncomfortable for you, I'm willing

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to take a risk for you and so it's like an adventure

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that he's inviting you on, he's saying okay,

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you did that, that was great, now try this, now

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like you would do with your own child, now let's

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try something even bigger that will be a greater

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risk but a greater reward. Um, and this move

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was like that for me. Um, and you know, he'd

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been very, very clear or five of us then with

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our three children had been praying. God had

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confirmed it prophetically. We knew we needed

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to move. And then just before we were supposed

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to have our sort of visa interview, COVID happened

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and everything was delayed. Um, all immigration

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was stopped. And then it was the process and

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what joy for me as a parent to take my children

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through that process of waiting. but we thought

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we heard God, but now what is this? And delay

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and disappointment and what it looks like just

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to let God be God and let His part be His problem,

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which is what we were saying to each other all

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the time. Well, if God wants us in America, then

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He'll take us to America. That's His part, because

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everything earthly was saying, yeah, you can't,

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this is it now, or it's all off. And then just

00:26:35.839 --> 00:26:39.079
the miracles one after the other like we were

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granted a national interest exception which very

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hard to get we moved on that We with the NIE

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have one month to move We have one month to set

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our house sell the cars like just everything

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close everything up move or happen right the

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same time that the British government was putting

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in tax breaks for house sales, so all location

00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:04.170
services local lawyers that dealt with it, selling

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houses, the state, everyone was booked up because

00:27:06.589 --> 00:27:08.230
in England the process takes months and months

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and we'd only had 30 days notice, but other people,

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it had months notice to me. And you know, everyone's

00:27:13.650 --> 00:27:15.029
saying to us, well, this will never happen, that

00:27:15.029 --> 00:27:16.950
will never happen. And then it did, and then

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it did, and then it did. So it was so great to

00:27:20.950 --> 00:27:24.930
walk in the bubble of God has made a decision

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that now is the time that we move and God is,

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it was like the sea parted. It was amazing. And

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then to get here after all that excitement, and

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then to have the sort of crash back to reality

00:27:35.779 --> 00:27:39.140
of we literally don't know anyone. There's a

00:27:39.140 --> 00:27:42.220
total sort of language disconnect, culture disconnect,

00:27:42.980 --> 00:27:45.579
and that whole process of figuring things out,

00:27:45.700 --> 00:27:48.039
the kids each going through their own process

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of it. Your pain as a parent, watching them struggle

00:27:51.059 --> 00:27:53.400
with that and figure it out, but also trusting

00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:55.140
that God knew that this was good for them, not

00:27:55.140 --> 00:27:59.960
just for you, and just all of that. So it was

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it was so formative in the five of us just digging

00:28:03.180 --> 00:28:06.319
really deep in God and letting him be Everything

00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:09.480
first and then he provided all the extras again

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But first he wanted to be that friend that we

00:28:12.140 --> 00:28:14.900
needed or that whatever community or whatever

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So it was it was great Yeah, it is harder to

00:28:19.500 --> 00:28:22.619
often for parents to trust God with their kids

00:28:22.619 --> 00:28:25.119
than with their own with themselves, right? I

00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:27.710
mean because we want to step in We want to step

00:28:27.710 --> 00:28:32.490
in and do what we can to ease their angst or

00:28:32.490 --> 00:28:36.109
their suffering. And sometimes, not always, sometimes

00:28:36.109 --> 00:28:38.789
we need to do that. But sometimes we have to

00:28:38.789 --> 00:28:42.029
just step back and say, OK, God. Yeah, I do.

00:28:42.750 --> 00:28:45.190
Exactly. If we protect them too much, then we

00:28:45.190 --> 00:28:48.549
protect them from the adventure. You know, the

00:28:48.549 --> 00:28:50.970
whole cliche, there's no testimony without the

00:28:50.970 --> 00:28:54.230
test. And, you know, I think it's our instinct

00:28:54.230 --> 00:28:59.410
to stop those tests for our kids. And we deny

00:28:59.410 --> 00:29:02.150
them the pleasure of the other side of it. So

00:29:02.150 --> 00:29:05.589
I guess because we had lived in the good of what

00:29:05.589 --> 00:29:08.730
it was to go through those pain barriers to the

00:29:08.730 --> 00:29:11.769
other side of the blessing, we wanted our kids

00:29:11.769 --> 00:29:13.450
to experience it. And we wanted them to be part

00:29:13.450 --> 00:29:15.029
of the journey. So right from the beginning,

00:29:15.089 --> 00:29:16.869
when we're praying for it, like, are we even

00:29:16.869 --> 00:29:19.529
going? What has God said? And for them to hear

00:29:19.529 --> 00:29:21.269
for themselves that God has said, because a lot

00:29:21.269 --> 00:29:23.269
of that comes with the ownership of the vision.

00:29:23.410 --> 00:29:26.869
Yeah, sure does. I'm going to tell you. God is

00:29:26.869 --> 00:29:29.369
doing this, and I'm going to make it happen for

00:29:29.369 --> 00:29:32.690
you. I've heard that's very different to you

00:29:32.690 --> 00:29:35.450
going here for yourself. You be sure what God

00:29:35.450 --> 00:29:38.069
has said to you, and then you walk in that. Our

00:29:38.069 --> 00:29:40.769
kids had that. So when they moved here, they

00:29:40.769 --> 00:29:43.630
knew what God had said to each of them. It would

00:29:43.630 --> 00:29:46.230
be good for them. And so they've had their own

00:29:46.230 --> 00:29:50.029
journey, and they're better for it. Yeah, that's

00:29:50.029 --> 00:29:54.980
such a... powerful tool for parents to use. It's

00:29:54.980 --> 00:29:58.660
not really a tool, but just encouraging the kids

00:29:58.660 --> 00:30:01.599
to not just hear from God through me, but to

00:30:01.599 --> 00:30:04.460
hear God for yourself. Yeah, it's important.

00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:08.759
Yeah, so important. You've shared a couple testimonies,

00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:12.819
but are there any more that you can share at

00:30:12.819 --> 00:30:15.940
how you've seen God move in your family and your

00:30:15.940 --> 00:30:18.779
life through answered prayers and provision?

00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:21.839
unexpected doors opening. I mean, seems like

00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:23.839
your whole life has kind of been that way. Yeah,

00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:27.640
well, it's all more of the same, really, in hearing

00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:32.240
God, Him telling you what to do. And then you're

00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:34.559
doing it, even though, for whatever reason, it

00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:37.740
doesn't make sense. And then walking in the good

00:30:37.740 --> 00:30:41.460
of what that looks like. Yeah, it's all in the

00:30:41.460 --> 00:30:43.799
same vein. I'm trying to think of another, but

00:30:43.799 --> 00:30:46.339
I keep going, my mind keeps going back to the

00:30:46.339 --> 00:30:51.210
moves or the kids. the churches we've joined,

00:30:51.490 --> 00:30:55.190
even that is a decision that is made in faith.

00:30:55.269 --> 00:30:58.910
There are lots of different options for us spoiled

00:30:58.910 --> 00:31:02.329
Westerners in terms of where will we worship?

00:31:03.109 --> 00:31:06.049
What's gonna be our community? And God knows

00:31:06.049 --> 00:31:08.490
each time, and he's made it really clear to me

00:31:08.490 --> 00:31:10.950
each time, and each time I've had a little bit

00:31:10.950 --> 00:31:14.569
more courage in asking him for an extra, like

00:31:14.569 --> 00:31:17.890
obvious, if this person invites me for dinner,

00:31:18.049 --> 00:31:20.589
then I'll know that then I'll know. And actually,

00:31:20.589 --> 00:31:23.210
that was the story for our church, for our current

00:31:23.210 --> 00:31:27.130
church, because it's a whole long story, but

00:31:27.130 --> 00:31:32.789
I just had it in my head that it was important

00:31:32.789 --> 00:31:35.950
to me that somebody would want me in their home

00:31:35.950 --> 00:31:38.029
for a meal. And I've learned now that culturally,

00:31:38.089 --> 00:31:40.950
that doesn't happen so much. In England, that's

00:31:40.950 --> 00:31:45.059
how we connect in our homes. And so it became

00:31:45.059 --> 00:31:47.720
a bit, sort of almost like a fleece for me. Right

00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:49.819
Lord, that will be when I know that this is my

00:31:49.819 --> 00:31:52.380
church. What I didn't know was there was another

00:31:52.380 --> 00:31:55.960
person in my church at the same time who had

00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:59.079
never ever had somebody to her house for a meal.

00:31:59.940 --> 00:32:03.579
And it was a huge, it was almost like a fear

00:32:03.579 --> 00:32:06.240
thing for her. Like she, it was too hard. It

00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:08.660
was too big of a deal. And yet that morning,

00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:10.720
the Lord spoke to her and told her to invite

00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:14.460
us for a meal. And that's another woman who knows

00:32:14.460 --> 00:32:17.259
the voice of God and is willing to take some

00:32:17.259 --> 00:32:20.539
crazy steps. And so I didn't know her part of

00:32:20.539 --> 00:32:22.640
that story until much later. And so she invited

00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:26.119
me us for dinner that day. And I didn't even

00:32:26.119 --> 00:32:29.960
fully believe it, to be honest. There's a lot

00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:32.039
of, oh, we should get together and nothing would

00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:36.019
happen. So I was like, okay, great, let's make

00:32:36.019 --> 00:32:38.460
it happen. So we exchanged numbers and sure enough,

00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:40.839
she made it happen. Within a week, I want to

00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:43.640
say, we were at their house and we ended up sharing

00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:46.940
our story and she shared her story. And isn't

00:32:46.940 --> 00:32:51.240
it great when it's not just about you? So, you

00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:54.440
know, God is bringing you all together. And in

00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:58.400
that one moment, she and I were both having a

00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:01.769
personal upgrade in the Lord, in his... commitment

00:33:01.769 --> 00:33:04.789
to us and his love for us and you know she was

00:33:04.789 --> 00:33:07.130
encouraged because she did something super hard

00:33:07.130 --> 00:33:10.509
for her and she was used by God to be his voice

00:33:10.509 --> 00:33:13.009
in someone else's life and I was encouraged because

00:33:13.009 --> 00:33:15.670
something that seemed a little impossible suddenly

00:33:15.670 --> 00:33:18.150
happened with God going okay fine I'll play your

00:33:18.150 --> 00:33:21.150
game here go and have dinner at her house so

00:33:21.150 --> 00:33:23.109
you know and it leaves me in no doubt then I

00:33:23.109 --> 00:33:24.890
know that this is the body that he's called me

00:33:24.890 --> 00:33:26.690
to that I'm supposed to be a blessing in and

00:33:26.690 --> 00:33:30.420
I will be blessed by so Yeah and you know I just

00:33:30.420 --> 00:33:33.400
I love that such a sweet story because you know

00:33:33.400 --> 00:33:36.279
you've been sharing these big huge steps that

00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:38.839
God you know had you take moving away from family

00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:40.819
moving across the ocean and the miracles that

00:33:40.819 --> 00:33:43.819
he worked but he also directs us in the simple

00:33:43.819 --> 00:33:46.079
little things doesn't he have someone over for

00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:50.059
dinner I mean it was a big thing to her but short

00:33:50.059 --> 00:33:53.640
of moving across the ocean so you know every

00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:57.049
every nudge from the Lord that we hear has a

00:33:57.049 --> 00:33:59.990
plan and a purpose. It really does. And an impact.

00:34:00.690 --> 00:34:02.890
Yeah. Lana, your journey, it's taken you from

00:34:02.890 --> 00:34:05.769
marketing and business into full -time ministry

00:34:05.769 --> 00:34:09.289
and advocacy for the people of Iran. How has

00:34:09.289 --> 00:34:11.170
God shaped your calling along the way? I mean,

00:34:11.230 --> 00:34:13.789
did you know from, you know, when you were a

00:34:13.789 --> 00:34:16.130
child that you were going to be an advocate for

00:34:16.130 --> 00:34:19.389
Iran or how did that, how did you realize that

00:34:19.389 --> 00:34:21.190
throughout your life? Yeah, it's interesting

00:34:21.190 --> 00:34:23.869
this word calling, isn't it? I guess some of

00:34:23.869 --> 00:34:27.039
it is more about our awareness of our calling

00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:31.099
rather than necessarily the calling itself. Because

00:34:31.099 --> 00:34:34.800
I'm not sure that the calling itself has changed

00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:38.760
as much as my character, my readiness for it,

00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:43.199
my understanding of it, my appreciation of what

00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:46.329
it really is. I think he's known all along and

00:34:46.329 --> 00:34:48.190
he's just given me steps like that Isaiah verse

00:34:48.190 --> 00:34:50.349
like this is the way walking it each step by

00:34:50.349 --> 00:34:53.110
step or that in Psalms under 19 when it says

00:34:53.110 --> 00:34:54.809
your words allow them to my feet and the light

00:34:54.809 --> 00:34:57.550
to my path like it's the picture I have of that

00:34:57.550 --> 00:35:00.889
is that very first next step is lit up but we

00:35:00.889 --> 00:35:03.250
don't see the entire town lit up we don't know

00:35:03.250 --> 00:35:05.570
where it's all leading and I think that's his

00:35:05.570 --> 00:35:07.150
kindness as well that I think he would freak

00:35:07.150 --> 00:35:10.010
us out if he told us the whole thing from the

00:35:10.010 --> 00:35:15.239
beginning so you know I've always Iran has just

00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:19.780
been deep in my heart always. The connection

00:35:19.780 --> 00:35:22.380
has been strong. My love for the country, my

00:35:22.380 --> 00:35:24.460
love for the people has been strong. Even after

00:35:24.460 --> 00:35:26.719
we moved to England, I continued to read my Bible

00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:31.059
in Farsi. I wanted that connection to remain.

00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:34.239
And I'd always said that I was called to Iran.

00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:36.840
I had said that always, that my call is Iran.

00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:38.599
I didn't know what that meant or what that looked

00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:41.639
like, but I knew that's what it was. And then...

00:35:41.710 --> 00:35:44.610
Because I'm listening and the Lord is now guiding

00:35:44.610 --> 00:35:48.889
each step, I end up having a degree in engineering,

00:35:49.190 --> 00:35:52.250
a career in marketing, and each step is a little

00:35:52.250 --> 00:35:54.349
bit confusing. Marrying an Englishman, I always

00:35:54.349 --> 00:35:56.250
figured I would marry an Iranian or an Armenian.

00:35:56.989 --> 00:35:59.769
That didn't make sense, but I fell in love with

00:35:59.769 --> 00:36:01.369
him and the Lord confirmed it, and you know,

00:36:01.429 --> 00:36:03.349
okay, so this is obviously your best choice for

00:36:03.349 --> 00:36:06.269
me. Little did I know that God would use him

00:36:06.269 --> 00:36:10.260
to shape me, to better me for my... Calling and

00:36:10.260 --> 00:36:13.599
and his his career path has enabled my ministry

00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:16.719
because we're because of him It's his work that

00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:18.760
brought us here and and so much more, you know,

00:36:18.860 --> 00:36:22.639
so sometimes we we think we know what even if

00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:24.099
we know what the end game is we think we know

00:36:24.099 --> 00:36:28.400
the best way to get there and And I'd sort of

00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:31.119
figured it all out in my head and God had a much

00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:36.039
better way So it's been a journey and now, and

00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:37.719
I think there's more, I think there's more to

00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:41.179
come that I don't know yet. Kind in not telling

00:36:41.179 --> 00:36:43.659
me, so I don't, partly so I don't get ahead of

00:36:43.659 --> 00:36:46.599
myself even in my own ego, but also that I don't

00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:49.559
get ahead of myself in fear and paralysis because

00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:53.440
how on earth are you gonna do that for me? But

00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:55.960
I think now at this point in my life, when I

00:36:55.960 --> 00:36:58.639
look at how he's using me, I think about all

00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:01.199
the skills that I learned through secular work

00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:04.820
in business and communications that have really

00:37:04.820 --> 00:37:09.340
equipped me uniquely for this very specific task

00:37:09.340 --> 00:37:13.360
that he has called me to do. And, you know, our

00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:18.320
callings are unique, we all know that. Our ability

00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:22.590
to fulfill those callings is also unique. and

00:37:22.590 --> 00:37:25.550
in the way that he prepares us and gifts us and

00:37:25.550 --> 00:37:29.030
lines us up so that when our gifting and our

00:37:29.030 --> 00:37:31.590
preparation collides with our calling all at

00:37:31.590 --> 00:37:33.909
the right time then it really comes together

00:37:33.909 --> 00:37:35.909
in a beautiful story and that can only happen

00:37:35.909 --> 00:37:38.949
if our obedience is in step as well because he's

00:37:38.949 --> 00:37:43.090
giving us opportunities or we can say no. So

00:37:43.090 --> 00:37:45.829
we have to have the courage to say yes and take

00:37:45.829 --> 00:37:48.369
those opportunities and let it lead whatever

00:37:48.369 --> 00:37:51.219
meandering path it needs to lead to take us where

00:37:51.219 --> 00:37:55.019
it needs to go. I think that's exciting and I

00:37:55.019 --> 00:37:56.860
definitely know from me there are things that

00:37:56.860 --> 00:37:59.800
he's doing today that I think, wow, no way without

00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:02.739
God and I want it to be that way. I want people

00:38:02.739 --> 00:38:06.280
to look at me and not give glory to me and not

00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:08.619
say, oh, isn't Lana amazing? I want them to look

00:38:08.619 --> 00:38:10.780
at me and think, wow, isn't God amazing? Didn't

00:38:10.780 --> 00:38:13.920
he do something out of this world that only he

00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:17.840
could have done through her? That's the ultimate

00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:20.420
aim, isn't it? And that can only happen if...

00:38:20.489 --> 00:38:22.969
if we're just busy with what's right in front

00:38:22.969 --> 00:38:26.090
of us and let him plan it all out in the way

00:38:26.090 --> 00:38:29.269
he thinks works best. Yeah, I think of my circuitous

00:38:29.269 --> 00:38:31.429
route to where I am, you know, never. I mean,

00:38:31.429 --> 00:38:33.550
I started with a computer science degree and

00:38:33.550 --> 00:38:35.570
worked as a computer programmer and, you know,

00:38:35.610 --> 00:38:39.289
God took me on a circuitous route to the nations

00:38:39.289 --> 00:38:44.050
and never would I have dreamed of that either.

00:38:44.070 --> 00:38:46.389
But when we follow God's leading, when we say,

00:38:46.510 --> 00:38:49.960
when we just say yes. He's not asking us to bring

00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:53.440
anything with us but ourself. Lana, Transform

00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:57.480
Iran, which is where you are now, has really

00:38:57.480 --> 00:38:59.980
been a powerful instrument of hope and change.

00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:03.860
Share really how it got started. I know your

00:39:03.860 --> 00:39:05.900
parents were instrumental in that, but also maybe

00:39:05.900 --> 00:39:08.519
a testimony of how God's work through that ministry

00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:11.480
impacting lives in Iran, if you can. Yes, there's

00:39:11.480 --> 00:39:13.579
a lot that I can say. We're careful with names

00:39:13.579 --> 00:39:16.280
and locations, but it's fun to share the stories

00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:20.210
of what God is doing. It started with a step

00:39:20.210 --> 00:39:23.909
of obedience. So my parents had been, were in

00:39:23.909 --> 00:39:27.329
ministry in Iran. There were sort of senior leadership

00:39:27.329 --> 00:39:30.809
in the church. The church was growing. We're

00:39:30.809 --> 00:39:33.510
now in the context of the Islamic Republic. We're

00:39:33.510 --> 00:39:36.610
10 years into, we've had 10 years of war with

00:39:36.610 --> 00:39:39.909
Iraq and that's just ending. So stability coming

00:39:39.909 --> 00:39:44.449
back to Iran. People are starting to leave. and

00:39:44.449 --> 00:39:46.849
the government is looking more internally, and

00:39:46.849 --> 00:39:48.769
so it's getting a little bit harder to be a Christian,

00:39:48.929 --> 00:39:52.389
more Christians are leaving, but also more people

00:39:52.389 --> 00:39:56.489
are turning to Jesus. So in that sort of environment,

00:39:56.650 --> 00:39:58.150
the Lord spoke to my parents and told them He

00:39:58.150 --> 00:40:00.130
wanted to move them out of Iran, and they were

00:40:00.130 --> 00:40:02.849
very resistant at first, like, we must have heard

00:40:02.849 --> 00:40:05.269
wrong. They both went and prayed and fasted for

00:40:05.269 --> 00:40:07.349
a bit, came back and compared merits. No, we're

00:40:07.349 --> 00:40:09.449
here in the same thing. Took it to the overseeing

00:40:09.449 --> 00:40:13.420
pastor, which was the same... a pastor who was

00:40:13.420 --> 00:40:17.039
martyred a few years later after we moved out

00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:20.099
of Iran. He said, no, you must have heard wrong,

00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:23.019
we need you here. They said, great. And then

00:40:23.019 --> 00:40:25.340
he had a dream and God confirmed it in a dream

00:40:25.340 --> 00:40:27.099
and said, no, I need you to release them, they

00:40:27.099 --> 00:40:30.860
need to leave. And he, of course again, obedient

00:40:30.860 --> 00:40:33.980
man of God, knows the voice of God, came and

00:40:33.980 --> 00:40:36.159
woke us up early hours and said, I've heard from

00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:38.340
God, you did hear right and you need to leave

00:40:38.340 --> 00:40:41.750
quickly. So we left very quickly within a few

00:40:41.750 --> 00:40:43.369
months and you can't take anything out of the

00:40:43.369 --> 00:40:46.409
country with you. So it was literally a leave

00:40:46.409 --> 00:40:48.510
it all behind, very sort of Abrahamic kind of

00:40:48.510 --> 00:40:50.369
story in terms of how God calls him out of one

00:40:50.369 --> 00:40:53.829
place, but he doesn't tell him any more detail.

00:40:54.050 --> 00:40:56.730
Like first Abraham has to step away, before then

00:40:56.730 --> 00:40:59.789
God says, okay, now you're out. Now this is where

00:40:59.789 --> 00:41:02.190
we're heading and this is what's coming. And

00:41:02.190 --> 00:41:04.869
that's what happened for us. So we moved out.

00:41:05.170 --> 00:41:08.909
It was just before my 10th birthday. then the

00:41:08.909 --> 00:41:10.710
Lord spoke to them and said the church is about

00:41:10.710 --> 00:41:12.829
to be driven underground, persecution is going

00:41:12.829 --> 00:41:14.349
to really increase and I'm going to need you

00:41:14.349 --> 00:41:16.909
here to resource and strengthen and help grow

00:41:16.909 --> 00:41:19.269
what will become this persecuted but thriving

00:41:19.269 --> 00:41:21.949
church. And you know people say today that Iran

00:41:21.949 --> 00:41:24.409
is the fastest growing church in the world and

00:41:24.409 --> 00:41:31.650
it's 99 % owing to what God is doing and in his

00:41:31.650 --> 00:41:34.929
supernatural grace and kindness and 1 % because

00:41:34.929 --> 00:41:37.650
people like my parents have been obedient and

00:41:38.489 --> 00:41:42.309
put in measures to support this movement. So

00:41:42.309 --> 00:41:45.469
there's satellite TV, there's radio, there's

00:41:45.469 --> 00:41:47.230
a digital church network. There's so much that

00:41:47.230 --> 00:41:50.750
they've put in place that supports. And my parents

00:41:50.750 --> 00:41:52.510
have always been pioneers. They've seen things

00:41:52.510 --> 00:41:54.750
ahead. They were the first to have the vision

00:41:54.750 --> 00:41:57.409
for satellite TV. They established it for Farsi

00:41:57.409 --> 00:41:59.570
and got it running. They were first to set up

00:41:59.570 --> 00:42:01.630
a digital church network. They're first to set

00:42:01.630 --> 00:42:03.690
up an apologetic center. Like it was always,

00:42:03.730 --> 00:42:06.659
now we need this, now we need this. Praise God

00:42:06.659 --> 00:42:11.400
for that legacy and it's been very powerful in

00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:13.619
exactly what God called them to do, to resource

00:42:13.619 --> 00:42:16.340
and strengthen and help grow what will be this

00:42:16.340 --> 00:42:20.460
persecuted church. So the Testaments we hear

00:42:20.460 --> 00:42:22.880
are all tied into that with, you know, the suicidal

00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:24.900
man will turn the TV on and suddenly hear the

00:42:24.900 --> 00:42:27.039
voice of God saying, this is who I've called

00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:30.460
you to be and has a turnaround and calls us and

00:42:30.460 --> 00:42:32.699
now is a Christian or the isolated believer who

00:42:32.699 --> 00:42:35.039
doesn't know anyone else in their community.

00:42:35.260 --> 00:42:37.880
but now she's connected to tens of thousands

00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:40.019
of Farsi Christians through the digital church

00:42:40.019 --> 00:42:43.480
network that we provide and you know Muslim clerics

00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:46.159
who come to us through their the apologetic center

00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:49.679
and they're sort of pulling at this thread oh

00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:51.199
but what about this what about this what and

00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:53.539
then they find truth and they you know we've

00:42:53.539 --> 00:42:56.539
had testinies and Muslim clerics leading other

00:42:56.539 --> 00:42:58.920
clerics to the Lord because they they've finally

00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:02.070
understood who God really is and want to follow

00:43:02.070 --> 00:43:04.510
him and want to tell others and so on and so

00:43:04.510 --> 00:43:08.349
forth. So God is using Google media very powerfully

00:43:08.349 --> 00:43:12.250
and now diving into the ethnic communities of

00:43:12.250 --> 00:43:16.710
Iran. The church is fast growing but that growth

00:43:16.710 --> 00:43:18.769
is really limited to the Farsi -speaking community

00:43:18.769 --> 00:43:20.829
and less than half of the Iranian population

00:43:20.829 --> 00:43:24.989
will speak Farsi at home. We've got 55 % speaking

00:43:24.989 --> 00:43:29.400
some... 39 plus different languages and the bulk

00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:31.760
of them are unreached. They don't have Bibles.

00:43:31.900 --> 00:43:34.019
They don't have Christian materials. So now we're

00:43:34.019 --> 00:43:37.139
busy translating the word and actually just today

00:43:37.139 --> 00:43:40.719
I heard a testimony of somebody saying that so

00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:43.280
we translated the Bible into Gilaki, never had

00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:45.739
the word before, never had established churches.

00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:47.699
We're now establishing a digital church community

00:43:47.699 --> 00:43:51.380
in Gilaki and developing resources for that community

00:43:51.380 --> 00:43:53.769
and this person was saying just that he'd been

00:43:53.769 --> 00:43:56.550
a Christian for years but he'd never had the

00:43:56.550 --> 00:43:59.510
courage to share the gospel with his mother who

00:43:59.510 --> 00:44:04.309
is a staunch Muslim because it would have had

00:44:04.309 --> 00:44:06.829
to do with Farsi. And you know there's a disconnect

00:44:06.829 --> 00:44:10.929
with Farsi. It's such a controlling regime and

00:44:10.929 --> 00:44:14.070
these ethnic communities have all these different

00:44:14.070 --> 00:44:16.550
traditions and cultures and music and the arts

00:44:16.550 --> 00:44:18.610
and the government is stifling all of that. So

00:44:18.610 --> 00:44:21.699
you're coming with Farsi. It feels far, it feels

00:44:21.699 --> 00:44:25.440
controlling, it feels outside. So he'd never

00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:28.320
really been able to, well, had felt comfortable

00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:30.900
to share with her for whatever reason. But now

00:44:30.900 --> 00:44:33.559
he has the Bible in her language, so he began

00:44:33.559 --> 00:44:36.420
sharing it with her. And now seeing her heart

00:44:36.420 --> 00:44:39.139
touched, she then connects with the digital church

00:44:39.139 --> 00:44:42.780
community. She has a whole testimony around healing

00:44:42.780 --> 00:44:45.139
from cancer from it. And now she's evangelizing

00:44:45.139 --> 00:44:47.579
other people saying how, you know, the Christian

00:44:47.579 --> 00:44:49.940
God has healed me, the Christian God has... has

00:44:49.940 --> 00:44:52.920
spoken to me. So, you know, those kinds of stories,

00:44:53.179 --> 00:44:56.400
lives really having a turn around. When Iranians

00:44:56.400 --> 00:44:58.519
know Jesus, they are exploding with it because

00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:00.980
it's so transformative. So now they're telling

00:45:00.980 --> 00:45:03.179
others and the church is growing this way. That

00:45:03.179 --> 00:45:05.420
is amazing. I love to hear the testimonies of

00:45:05.420 --> 00:45:07.860
what God's doing around the world because and

00:45:07.860 --> 00:45:10.260
you know, we're believing for God to start a

00:45:10.260 --> 00:45:12.820
massive awakening here in the United States as

00:45:12.820 --> 00:45:15.559
well. But it's happening. You know, it's happening

00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:23.260
in places as as what may seem to many as strange

00:45:23.260 --> 00:45:28.320
as Iran, God is moving there. He's at work. He

00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:30.539
loves the people and is calling them to himself.

00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:34.300
Yeah, I think it's also a real strengthening

00:45:34.300 --> 00:45:37.980
encouragement for us because Iran is sort of

00:45:37.980 --> 00:45:42.360
synonymous with evil, unreachable, hopeless,

00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:47.460
dark. And a lot of that is true, except that

00:45:47.460 --> 00:45:50.820
God then is doing miraculous things in the background.

00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:54.639
And when we hear what God is capable of doing

00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:59.000
and is doing, like Iran, I think it stirs faith

00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:01.599
in us to think, well, surely then he can do that

00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:03.940
in this circumstance in my life, because look

00:46:03.940 --> 00:46:07.039
what he's done in this country that is gripped

00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:11.619
by this evil regime and yet... and yet the fastest

00:46:11.619 --> 00:46:13.480
growing church in the world. I mean, how does

00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:16.059
that happen? Only God can do those things. But

00:46:16.059 --> 00:46:18.619
you know, the prayer, the prayer of the saints

00:46:18.619 --> 00:46:20.800
has paved the way for that. The blood of the

00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:23.719
saints, the sacrifice of the saints has paved

00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:26.360
the way for that. And God may not be asking us

00:46:26.360 --> 00:46:29.019
to bleed for Him literally, but He is asking

00:46:29.019 --> 00:46:32.860
for sacrifice. And when we lay things down, when

00:46:32.860 --> 00:46:35.900
we're prepared for it to cost us something, then

00:46:35.900 --> 00:46:38.099
it can move in really great power. That's very

00:46:38.099 --> 00:46:40.980
good. Well, Lana, as you look ahead, what do

00:46:40.980 --> 00:46:43.460
you sense God speaking to you in this season

00:46:43.460 --> 00:46:46.159
and how is it shaping your next steps in ministry

00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:48.440
and in your personal life even? I think it's

00:46:48.440 --> 00:46:51.179
that constant invitation for more. He's invited

00:46:51.179 --> 00:46:54.019
me for greater intimacy, growth and dependency.

00:46:54.860 --> 00:46:58.440
He wants me more than he wants my ministry. And,

00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:02.260
you know, that's been a real fun exploration

00:47:02.260 --> 00:47:05.000
for me in just that love affair between me and

00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:08.639
him that I actually matter more to him than anything

00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:11.639
I can do for him. That constant mind, that's

00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:15.239
been good for me. And then it's just that stretching.

00:47:15.460 --> 00:47:18.400
You know, I don't want to stop stretching, stop

00:47:18.400 --> 00:47:22.360
learning, stop taking risks. There's always more.

00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:26.099
So I feel like whatever the story may have been

00:47:26.099 --> 00:47:29.800
to date, I can rejoice in what God's done up

00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:31.780
now, but that's history. God is the God of today.

00:47:31.900 --> 00:47:33.960
So what does he want from me today? Where is

00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:38.429
he stretching me today? Whereas inviting me to

00:47:38.429 --> 00:47:41.449
partner with Him in something new, for me to

00:47:41.449 --> 00:47:44.849
learn more about Him, to depend more on Him,

00:47:44.929 --> 00:47:48.650
to give Him more glory and to give Him the opportunity

00:47:48.650 --> 00:47:52.530
to do more exciting things, to show off. I think

00:47:52.530 --> 00:47:56.409
it's such an amazing revelation when we realize

00:47:56.409 --> 00:48:00.769
God is so much more interested in our relationship

00:48:00.769 --> 00:48:04.780
with Him than in what we do for Him. Yeah. especially

00:48:04.780 --> 00:48:08.440
when you're working in a ministry setting. All

00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:10.460
of us are in ministry, whether we work in a secular

00:48:10.460 --> 00:48:12.219
setting or in a Christian setting, but when we're

00:48:12.219 --> 00:48:14.099
working in a Christian ministry setting, it's

00:48:14.099 --> 00:48:18.119
often easy to get our eyes focused on what we're

00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:21.820
doing rather than our relationship. Yeah, yeah,

00:48:21.820 --> 00:48:25.500
exactly. So what would you encourage our listeners

00:48:25.500 --> 00:48:27.480
in their, how would you encourage our listeners

00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:29.820
in their walk with the Lord? I would say spend

00:48:29.820 --> 00:48:33.619
time with him so that you can learn to hear what

00:48:33.619 --> 00:48:36.619
his voice sounds like so that you would love

00:48:36.619 --> 00:48:39.420
him more. As you get to know him, the love increases.

00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:43.239
And then when he does speak, no matter what it

00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:46.579
is, take that risk, do it with joy. It will be

00:48:46.579 --> 00:48:52.199
good for you. And I think the baby steps fine.

00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:55.860
It starts small. But as each step gets bigger,

00:48:56.039 --> 00:48:59.460
then you learn to trust him with more. He will

00:48:59.460 --> 00:49:03.849
trust you with more audacious things. um so you

00:49:03.849 --> 00:49:05.210
know just makes me think of the power of the

00:49:05.210 --> 00:49:08.469
talents even they gave him a handful of coins

00:49:08.469 --> 00:49:12.550
and those that did something with that he then

00:49:12.550 --> 00:49:14.230
came back and gave them an equivalent number

00:49:14.230 --> 00:49:17.829
of cities like it he trusts you with more so

00:49:17.829 --> 00:49:20.769
take those steps let him stretch you stretch

00:49:20.769 --> 00:49:23.130
yourself get those spiritual muscles working

00:49:23.130 --> 00:49:25.329
and see where he'll take you well as we close

00:49:25.329 --> 00:49:27.909
Lana is there a woman of the bible whose story

00:49:27.909 --> 00:49:30.289
has particularly inspired or taught you something

00:49:30.289 --> 00:49:33.420
meaningful and And how has her story impacted

00:49:33.420 --> 00:49:35.860
your journey of faith? Well, actually, one of

00:49:35.860 --> 00:49:38.860
my favorite Bible stories, Bible characters is

00:49:38.860 --> 00:49:43.139
Anna, the prophetess testament. I named my daughter

00:49:43.139 --> 00:49:48.880
after her. You know, I love that there's no big

00:49:48.880 --> 00:49:51.099
sort of airs and graces and bells and whistles

00:49:51.099 --> 00:49:55.199
around her, but this is a simple woman who saw

00:49:55.199 --> 00:49:58.119
what God was doing right before her eyes that

00:49:58.119 --> 00:50:02.769
other people missed. I just think that's so,

00:50:02.769 --> 00:50:05.809
so important that we don't miss what God is doing.

00:50:06.909 --> 00:50:09.909
She could have just walked straight past and

00:50:09.909 --> 00:50:12.309
nothing would have really been that different,

00:50:12.969 --> 00:50:17.130
but she would have missed out on being part of

00:50:17.130 --> 00:50:20.889
that celebration of what Jesus was and what God

00:50:20.889 --> 00:50:23.800
was doing in humanity at that time. She caught

00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:25.780
that wave, you know, the word talks about how

00:50:25.780 --> 00:50:28.519
the sons of Issachar knew the times. It's that

00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:30.699
knowing of the seasons. When you look in the

00:50:30.699 --> 00:50:32.340
New Testament, Jesus is actually quite cross

00:50:32.340 --> 00:50:34.880
with the Pharisees. You're missing it. Like you

00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:36.780
just, you miss it. It's right before your eyes

00:50:36.780 --> 00:50:40.659
and you're missing it. So that's always the encouragement.

00:50:40.860 --> 00:50:43.119
I think serving in a country like Iran as well,

00:50:43.219 --> 00:50:45.199
and whenever we encourage people to get involved,

00:50:45.300 --> 00:50:48.079
to partner, that's sort of... That's the story

00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:50.739
behind it. Like, let's not miss it. Right now,

00:50:50.960 --> 00:50:53.639
God has his hand on your arm. He's doing something

00:50:53.639 --> 00:50:56.800
amazing. You could walk straight by and carry

00:50:56.800 --> 00:50:59.079
on with what you're doing, or you could engage

00:50:59.079 --> 00:51:02.079
with what God is doing. Don't miss it. And it's

00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:04.059
because it's a blessing for you. It's a blessing

00:51:04.059 --> 00:51:06.840
for me. It was a blessing for Hannah. She got

00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:11.719
to speak blessing over the Messiah before hardly

00:51:11.719 --> 00:51:14.980
anyone else knew that he was there. So it's that

00:51:14.980 --> 00:51:17.539
partnering with him then in that. dream in that

00:51:17.539 --> 00:51:21.800
vision and then it becomes an adventure. That

00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:25.500
is very good. You know Ephesians 3 20 in the

00:51:25.500 --> 00:51:27.400
New Living Translation it reminds us that God

00:51:27.400 --> 00:51:29.860
is able through his mighty power at work within

00:51:29.860 --> 00:51:33.280
us to accomplish infinitely more than we might

00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:36.440
ask or think. Of course it requires our yes.

00:51:36.809 --> 00:51:40.630
It requires us doing it when he reveals what

00:51:40.630 --> 00:51:43.389
he wants us to do. He's able to just do so much

00:51:43.389 --> 00:51:46.050
more than we could imagine, as he's done in your

00:51:46.050 --> 00:51:49.130
life, Lana. You know, God is able to meet every

00:51:49.130 --> 00:51:52.610
need, reach those who seem unreachable, work

00:51:52.610 --> 00:51:56.530
in us to transform us and bring God glory. Dear

00:51:56.530 --> 00:52:00.949
friends, nothing is impossible for God. Lana,

00:52:00.989 --> 00:52:02.829
would you take a moment and pray for our listeners?

00:52:05.320 --> 00:52:08.440
the amazing people who've taken time out of their

00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:12.300
day to listen to this story and my heart that

00:52:12.300 --> 00:52:15.300
it really is. the God story that they're hearing,

00:52:15.699 --> 00:52:19.460
your ability to invite somebody into relationship,

00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:22.079
into partnership, your ability to speak and lead

00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:25.900
clearly, your ability to bless, your desire to

00:52:25.900 --> 00:52:30.039
bless, your ability to have a vision for each

00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:32.219
of our lives and a calling and then to work it

00:52:32.219 --> 00:52:34.800
out in our lives if we're just willing to say

00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:38.880
yes. So I pray for that courage to rise up in

00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:43.869
our listeners now to... say yes to whatever that

00:52:43.869 --> 00:52:46.690
niggling thing is right now in their mind. And

00:52:46.690 --> 00:52:49.289
if there's any doubt, I would say, what's the

00:52:49.289 --> 00:52:53.150
harm? Go for it. I remember the first crazy word

00:52:53.150 --> 00:52:56.070
that God gave me when I was a teenager. And I

00:52:56.070 --> 00:52:59.289
was thinking, oh, is this really God? Is it not?

00:52:59.730 --> 00:53:01.989
And somebody encouraged me and said, well, what's

00:53:01.989 --> 00:53:04.849
the harm? Worst case scenario, they've taken

00:53:04.849 --> 00:53:09.079
a step. into the unknown and it was to share

00:53:09.079 --> 00:53:10.739
a word with someone. You would have best somebody

00:53:10.739 --> 00:53:13.500
with a good word and that would be it. Best case

00:53:13.500 --> 00:53:16.480
scenario, you've obeyed the voice of God and

00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:18.940
somewhere in between you've shown God that even

00:53:18.940 --> 00:53:20.639
if you're not sure, you're willing to take that

00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:23.159
step that you think is leading you to step. So

00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:27.639
take that risk. Practice taking risks. So I want

00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:29.840
to encourage the listeners, Lord, I want you,

00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:32.219
Holy Spirit, to speak in them now. I ask you

00:53:32.219 --> 00:53:35.739
to encourage them and to... compel them with

00:53:35.739 --> 00:53:38.219
the clarity of your voice to take that next step

00:53:38.219 --> 00:53:42.059
of risk that will push them into a whole life

00:53:42.059 --> 00:53:44.820
of adventure with you. For your glory, Jesus,

00:53:44.980 --> 00:53:48.880
that your name will be heard, your fame will

00:53:48.880 --> 00:53:54.380
increase, and your kingdom will expand. Jesus,

00:53:54.460 --> 00:53:58.030
in your precious name I pray. Amen. And now,

00:53:58.130 --> 00:54:00.349
dear friends, I bless you with an adaptation

00:54:00.349 --> 00:54:04.010
of Ephesians 320. May God's mighty power work

00:54:04.010 --> 00:54:07.769
in you to accomplish infinitely more than you

00:54:07.769 --> 00:54:11.570
could ask or imagine. Thank you for tuning in.

00:54:11.789 --> 00:54:14.070
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