Who is the hero of your story? Many of us like to think we are! Movies, books, and TV programs cast the vision that we all can be. Mary Foky dreamed of being a hero for God; saving the world through her dedication and sacrifice. But God gently reminded her that Jesus had already done that! He is the only hero the world truly needs. So, God led Mary down a different path. And now she shares that truth with others through radically ordinary hospitality! Listen as Mary and host Jodie Chiricosta share how God uses hospitality to minister to others. You’ll discover that as you follow God’s lead and simply love others, He shows up in profound ways!
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Hey friends, welcome to the Her God Story podcast,
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where you will always hear a good story
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to encourage and inspire you in your walk with the Lord.
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I'm your host, Jodie Chiricosta,
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ministry leader at Somebody Cares America
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and International,
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author and traveler on this journey of faith.
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For our regular listeners,
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we are taking a production break
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with no new episodes in the month of August,
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but we have some great stories lined up
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to share with you again in September.
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so you won't miss any of the stories of my upcoming guests.
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on some episodes you may have missed.
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then get together and talk about what God spoke to you.
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It's a great way to reach out to friends
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who don't know Christ yet.
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Include them in the conversation and see what God will do.
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You know, we all love the hero story.
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Just look at the superhero movies, comic books,
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spinoff toys that are in such great demand,
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or the myriad of movies, shows, and books
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with the hero theme.
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Some of us even dream of being the hero of the story.
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You know, God put the desire for a hero in our hearts
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because we need a hero to save us
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from the enemy of our souls.
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Of course, our hero, our savior, is Jesus.
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But still, the desire for us to be a hero
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is certainly compelling and can be very strong.
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Isaiah 43, 11 tells us,
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"'I, only I, am the Lord,
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"'and there is no savior besides me,
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"'or no hero besides him.'
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"'While he does empower us to do
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"'some pretty amazing things,
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"'we have to rely on his strength and not our own.'"
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My guest, Mary Foakey, has grappled with this truth
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and is learning to do the little things
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that God considers great in his kingdom.
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Mary is a registered nurse
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who served in the US Army for six years.
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Married to an Army major and now mother of three,
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Mary is committed to the process of personal sanctification
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and sharing the love of Jesus
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with her neighbors and community.
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She's also my great niece.
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Welcome, Mary.
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Thank you so much for having me.
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It's really an honor, and I'm grateful
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to have the opportunity to share
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what Jesus has done in my life.
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So Mary, you grew up in a house with Christian parents,
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attending church, and wanting to understand what you believe,
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but it wasn't until you were in high school
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that you internalized that faith
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and committed your life to Christ.
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Share about those early years in your life
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and some of your faith questions
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and what ultimately brought you to your decision point.
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I grew up in a wonderful, loving household
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where both my parents really modeled a long obedience
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in the same direction of faithfulness to God.
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They not only took me and my siblings to church,
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but their entire lives were living testimonies
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of God's power and goodness.
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But despite this, I began to grapple with faith in Jesus
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for myself in my early teen or preteen years.
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I recognized by the testimony of my parents' life
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that to be a Christian demanded the entirety of your devotion.
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For them, it was the driving force
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in every decision in their lives, big or small.
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And I naturally questioned things,
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and it seems to make sense that the main central focus
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of my life was something I really should get right
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and not just believe without having thought it
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through personally.
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I remember as I was trying to discern, who am I?
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What defines me?
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Why does my life have meaning?
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All those types of questions, having the thought
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that if I was born in another country
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or to parents who brought me up as Muslims or as an atheist,
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is this truth, the truth of Jesus,
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something I would still believe?
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Is this Christianity stuff really true?
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Or is it just my particular cultural background,
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what my parents believe?
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And sort of another factor at that point in my life
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was I saw all the things my friends were doing
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as teenagers and thought, if I'm going to have any fun,
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I can't be a Christian.
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So I decided to try and walk away from Christianity
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and go my own way.
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And for a short time, things seemed to be going fine.
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I had good grades, I was good at sports, I was popular,
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but internally, I was really miserable.
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I felt like a ship being buffeted around in the waves,
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just no anchor, nothing to ground me.
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And I have a distinct memory sitting at the computer,
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writing paper, late at night in high school,
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and having the shocking realization
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that for the first time in my life,
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I had no answer to any of those deep questions
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of why am I here?
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Does my life have any meaning?
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And I could not let my mind be still and quiet,
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and that was horrible.
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Shortly after this, my parents caught me in a lie
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and grounded me for three months,
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which in high school seemed like an eternity.
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And during that time, I decided I really,
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I needed to stop running away from God.
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So at that point, you made that decision
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to commit your life to Jesus.
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I mean, it wasn't just stop running,
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but you turned into him, didn't you?
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Yes, for me, especially initially, the change was slow.
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So externally, I stopped sneaking around and partying.
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I saw that being a Christian meant
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I did not do certain naughty things,
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but I didn't initially internalize
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that it meant the lack of living for myself was living,
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or excuse me, the lack of living for myself was replaced
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with the joy of living for Christ.
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And when I reflect on that time, the song,
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The Goodness of God,
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it just really, really describes my salvation experience.
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There's a line in that song that says,
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all my life you have been faithful,
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all my life you have been so, so good.
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Your goodness is running after me.
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And in many ways, in those early years
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and months in high school,
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I was a reluctant Christian.
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I could not deny God's reality,
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his power, his goodness, his presence in my life,
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but it was still really hard for me to relinquish control.
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So he was running after me
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and I was sort of dragging my feet.
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It is truly and entirely by God's grace and pursuit
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that I became a daughter of God.
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I was, yeah, quite reluctant initially.
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You've mentioned that you are a really high achiever,
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good grades, good athlete, pushing yourself to excel.
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So when you went to college
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and you started thinking about your future,
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how did that play into your plans
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and your expectations for life?
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I mean, being the reluctant Christian that you were,
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how did that all work in your plans?
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Because you're a planner,
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you like to know what the future holds.
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Yeah, when I got to college,
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that is when I think I really started to make my faith my own.
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And I got involved in Christian fellowship.
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I went to church of my own accord
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and I started to really try to follow Jesus wholeheartedly
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with my whole life.
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But in that time, inadvertently,
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I allowed my fervor for Jesus to sort of blend
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with a worldly hierarchical system
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that I superimposed on Christianity.
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So I thought if I'm gonna be a Christian,
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I need to be the most devoted, the most high end,
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the most super Christian possible.
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I don't wanna be just a run of the mill Christian.
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And so to me, that meant I would show my devotion to God
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by becoming a sold out and single Christian missionary,
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ideally someplace so dangerous,
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most people would not volunteer to go there
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because of the potential cost.
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And I thought full-time vocational Christians,
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they're the tip of the spear.
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Missionaries in particular,
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if I'm unmarried, I won't be burdened
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with the concerns of family life.
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And I set out to become a Christian missionary in college.
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I double majored in nursing and religious studies
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intending to become a nurse practitioner
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with a theological background
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who could then go and preach the gospel
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and provide care to those who would not otherwise
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have healthcare, which those things are not bad.
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I don't wanna make them seem like they are,
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but in my naivete of what matters in God's kingdom,
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it was more about what I could achieve for God.
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Yeah, so when God started leading you
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in a different direction, what did you think about that?
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How did he do that?
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And how did he teach you about his plan for you
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because it wasn't what you were expecting it to be?
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Yes, there was one huge and consistent kink in my plan
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to be an unmarried, sold out missionary for Jesus.
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And he had a name, Daniel Foakey.
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He was a friend from high school that attended West Point,
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and he felt called to be an army officer.
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But he was also convinced that God wanted us
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to be in missions together, namely to date
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and ultimately get married.
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And this was a huge shift for me.
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And I really wrestled with it.
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I prayed and asked God many times, why?
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Why, if I am willing to give up a family
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and a comfortable life, would you insist on giving it to me?
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I want to go do great things for you.
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Don't you understand that?
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And through Daniel and in his pursuit of me,
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God was teaching me gently and graciously
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that he doesn't need me to do anything or save anyone.
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And it was the first step of me realizing
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what Tim Keller puts so well.
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If Jesus is who he says he is,
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and this life is not the only one,
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then every good endeavor, even the simplest ones
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pursued in response to God's calling can matter forever.
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So God doesn't need me to accomplish anything on his behalf.
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The arc of history hinges on the cross
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and on the resurrection, and my life fits into Jesus's story.
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Colossians 1 talks about the supremacy of Jesus and says,
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he is the image of the invisible God.
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By him all things were created.
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He is before all things and in him all things hold together.
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In everything he is preeminent.
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So the reality that the fullness of God
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dwelt in a human Jesus and he holds all things together,
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it sunk down into my heart and made me realize
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I don't have to accomplish anything on Christ's behalf,
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on Jesus's behalf.
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I have the privilege of just following his leading.
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So practically this meant I surrendered my plan
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to be a missionary, at least for now,
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and followed what seemed to be the clear leading
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of the Lord instead.
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I got engaged to and then married Daniel
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and ended up joining the army myself as a nurse.
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at least in this season.
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because being a part of the military
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was a little even antithetical to your belief system
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when you were a little bit younger.
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How did God transform and move you
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into an army life willingly?
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Yeah, well, at times it wasn't willingly to be honest,
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but I just could feel like that song I quoted earlier,
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the goodness of God pursuing me
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and he kept putting on my heart
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that what he wanted me to do was to be an army officer.
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I realized that God used being in the military
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to really show me some deep flaws in myself
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that I perhaps wouldn't have seen,
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at least not as quickly.
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Through being an army officer,
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I quickly, quickly learned
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how I had a lack of gentleness and mercy.
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I'm a driven and relatively confident person.
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Yeah, gentleness and mercy aren't typically things
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that you think are needed in the military,
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but they really are.
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Yes, and I learned that in leadership position.
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I care about justice, right and wrong,
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doing things the right way.
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But certainly then, and even now,
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I can be pretty blunt, impatient,
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and sometimes thoughtless about other people's feelings.
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I got put in many leadership positions
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very early on in my career.
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That's one of the blessings and curses
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of being in the military.
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They, you're put in leadership quickly.
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I have one distinct memory of when I was fresh out of college,
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22, 23 maybe, and I got put in a charge
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of a floor of maybe 10 other coworkers,
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some of whom, twice my age,
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all of whom who had been doing the job longer than me.
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and they were either civilians or enlisted soldiers,
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I got put in charge.
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was not doing what they should have,
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and I handled it really poorly.
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Proverbs 15.1 says,
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a gentle answer turns away wrath,
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but a harsh word stirs up anger.
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And I confronted them, which was the right thing to do.
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A patient needed their help and care,
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and they were neglecting it.
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But I was harsh and arrogant.
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As the proverb says, it stirred up anger.
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That experience and many others like it,
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God used to show me that in Jesus,
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justice and gentleness can and do go together.
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It reminds me of that verse in Isaiah 42,
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where it describes Jesus as, he says,
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a bruised reed he will not break,
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and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out.
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In faithfulness, he will bring forth justice.
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And that picture of someone who is so gentle,
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even with a bruised reed, but also just.
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God revealed to me through those leadership things early on
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that I was missing a core reality of his nature,
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that he is both merciful and just.
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That tension between justice and mercy is solved on the cross.
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how God is both just and merciful,
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and that they can both be fully expressed in him, in the son,
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I realized I need to be that way.
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I can't just care about justice and doing things right.
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I have to also do it in a way that's merciful.
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And that's something I'm still working on
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and learning how to do is to be a woman who's like God,
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both gentle and faithfully pursuing justice.
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Yeah, that's certainly part of the sanctification process.
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We all have those issues that God reminds us again
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and again in our lives that he wants to work in us.
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So we're all getting there.
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And the army definitely, God used that.
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God used that.
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So after a few years, you and Daniel decided
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you wanted to start a family.
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And like most people, you were wondering
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if you would be a good parent.
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Share your personal internal struggle about that
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and how God has shown you his kindness
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and once again, goodness through your children.
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Yes, being a mom, I had the opportunity to give my children
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a solid foundation to launch out into the world.
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And Proverbs is full of encouragements
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to train your children up in the Lord.
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But for me, being a mom was something
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I didn't grow up wanting that.
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And I'm not a particularly nurturing person in my flesh.
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So I was very nervous that in particular,
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my lack of gentleness and nurturing nature
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would not set our children up for success.
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Certainly I am not a perfect mother,
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but I have learned in these early years of parenting,
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our oldest daughter is four and a half,
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that what God calls us to, he equips us for.
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And for me also, my children have been
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really surprisingly fun and funny.
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I knew I would love them, but I did not realize
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what a gift it would be to get to hang out
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with these other tiny humans all the time
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who are silly and clever and unique.
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And it's just been a really unexpected gift
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that God gave me and Daniel.
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Truly our children have been like a cup
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of overflowing blessings from God.
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I didn't realize I needed it.
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And it was just kind of God to give it to me,
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even when I didn't pursue it myself.
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Yeah, share some of the fun stories
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that you've experienced with your kids
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and how you've been training them,
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even at a young age to love Jesus.
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I did mention my oldest is four and a half.
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And I have thought a lot and my husband and I
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have talked a lot about things.
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We started to do catechisms with our oldest,
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but actually a resource that I have really loved
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is Slugs and Bugs, which is a Christian musician
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and they create, there's I think four albums
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called Sing the Bible.
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And they're all just Bible verses put to song.
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Some of them are funny, but many of them
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are things that I use, I mean daily,
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to both encourage and correct myself.
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It's funny how sometimes the things coming out of my mouth
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at my children are also things God's speaking to me.
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But yeah, having the scriptures on repeat in my mind,
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something that I listen to with them
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and then use as a tool.
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I mean, they're available.
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You can just look them up on YouTube or Spotify
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is how I typically use it.
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But it's really, that has been something
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that I really enjoyed as a teaching tool.
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I'd have to think of some funny stories.
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Our kids are just, they're fun and funny.
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I came to know the Lord when I was very young,
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six years old.
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And I remember back in that day,
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scripture songs were big, even for adults to sing as well.
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I mean, that was, and I learned so much by singing scripture
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because it gets in your heart and you remember it.
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I mean, years later, sometimes in my devotions,
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even now, those scripture songs from when I was a kid
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come back to me and I sing them back again,
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or as I'm going about my day.
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So the power of putting scripture to music
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in the hearts of little ones is, it will last a lifetime.
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Now, you know, friends, there are children without parents,
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as well as widows all over the world.
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And they need to experience
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the tangible expression of God's love.
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Many have special needs that we as a company of women
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can meet together.
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Would you consider joining us with a special gift to help?
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Just go to hergodstory.org
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and click on the widow and orphan tab at the top of the page.
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Mary, you've told me that being a mom
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has been the most intensely sanctifying piece of music
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in the whole time period of your life.
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And I can completely understand
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when God graced me with a family,
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he also used them to turn up the heat
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of his purifying fire in my life.
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But how has God done that in you?
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How's he worked in you
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and shown you about himself through motherhood?
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The hymn, I need thee every hour, most gracious Lord.
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Having kids has really felt that way,
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except it's I need thee every second.
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With other jobs or commitments I've had in my life,
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I've had to take a day off or a vacation or whatever.
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But especially in my children's first year of life,
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I was really tethered to them.
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And it felt and still feels intensely sanctifying
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because I have to daily, hourly, sometimes minute by minute,
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choose to either be selfish and gratify what I want or like
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to myself and do what is best for my child.
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And sometimes being a military spouse,
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the volume really gets turned up on this
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because we often don't live near family
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and Daniel, my husband is often gone.
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So many times there's no backup,
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there's no one to tag in if I'm having a hard day.
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And that has really made me lean on the Lord
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because I'm so out of my depth
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and so incapable of being the mom God calls me to be
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in my own strength.
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But when I have cried out to God, he has been so faithful.
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And I remember one season in particular
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when Daniel was deployed, my oldest was not even three
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and the youngest was under, she was under a year old.
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And the whole time Daniel was gone,
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I had truly supernatural peace and patience and strength.
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peace I leave with you, my peace I give to you,
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not as the world gives, that's the kind of peace that I had.
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It was a tangible peace, even when, I mean,
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things could be very chaotic with bodily fluids
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and all the wrong places all over the house
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and not sleeping and just a little bit of chaos.
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I had peace and God was tangibly present in my life
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and in my parenting, God was so faithful to provide
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and just be the strength when I didn't have it
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in that time.
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Yeah, a lot of parents, I think experienced that,
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but a lot of parents need to hear that,
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boy, when we call on the name of the Lord,
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he is quick to save.
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He's not far away, but he's quick to save.
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Being a mom has also provided you
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some really wonderful opportunities to reach out to others
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in your neighborhood and in the military community,
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being a missionary to a not so difficult place to go.
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And you and Daniel have been really intentional about this.
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Share what you've been doing
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and what you've seen the Lord do.
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There's a book that really impacted me a few years ago
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called The Gospel Comes with a House Key.
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And in it is a term called radically ordinary hospitality.
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And that is something that my husband and I feel
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God has really called us and our family
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to do in this season of life.
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In John 13, Jesus says, as I have loved you,
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you must love one another.
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By this, everyone will know that you are my disciples
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if you love one another.
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So what we want to do, our heart's passion
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is to build loving Christian community
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that is quiet but radical.
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And I think that's something that we as humans
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and perhaps in our modern Western
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very individualistic culture deeply crave.
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A community of people that seeks the desires
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and good of others above themselves
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with radical self-giving,
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that is not common in our culture.
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And certainly we don't do this perfectly,
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but it's something that as we receive the love of Christ,
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we try to live out practically,
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00:25:20,580 --> 00:25:24,980
which for us looks like hosting, facilitating,
505
00:25:24,980 --> 00:25:27,980
and generally leading weekly gatherings
506
00:25:27,980 --> 00:25:30,700
for other Christians in our home.
507
00:25:30,700 --> 00:25:33,700
Lots of intentional walks with neighbors,
508
00:25:33,700 --> 00:25:35,620
meals shared with people,
509
00:25:35,620 --> 00:25:38,020
with believers and non-believers alike,
510
00:25:38,020 --> 00:25:39,980
all with the goal of growing a community
511
00:25:39,980 --> 00:25:43,740
that shares the love we have received in Christ.
512
00:25:43,740 --> 00:25:47,700
So yeah, for me, instead of being a missionary
513
00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:51,700
in a more exotic and overt way,
514
00:25:51,700 --> 00:25:53,900
I think God has called me and our family
515
00:25:53,900 --> 00:25:58,460
to live out radically ordinary hospitality.
516
00:25:58,460 --> 00:26:01,220
So we see our home not as ours at all,
517
00:26:01,220 --> 00:26:03,980
but as God's gift for us to use
518
00:26:03,980 --> 00:26:05,720
for the furtherance of his kingdom.
519
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,860
How has that impacted some of the people
520
00:26:07,860 --> 00:26:12,380
who've benefited from that radically ordinary hospitality?
521
00:26:12,380 --> 00:26:14,880
Is there anything you can share, of course,
522
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,700
without breaking any confidences?
523
00:26:16,700 --> 00:26:18,500
At our church in North Carolina,
524
00:26:18,500 --> 00:26:23,260
we led small groups and had people over to our house
525
00:26:24,420 --> 00:26:28,480
really pretty consistently for over five years.
526
00:26:30,140 --> 00:26:33,060
And a lot of people being in a military community
527
00:26:34,380 --> 00:26:37,480
moved on to other places and posts,
528
00:26:38,940 --> 00:26:42,460
but a lot of people have reached out to us
529
00:26:42,460 --> 00:26:46,860
and told us that that taste for community,
530
00:26:46,860 --> 00:26:51,860
for not just attending church or some sort of study,
531
00:26:53,380 --> 00:26:56,940
but to actually build deep community with other believers
532
00:26:56,940 --> 00:27:00,900
and have that accountability and that love in someone's life.
533
00:27:00,900 --> 00:27:03,840
A lot of people have reached out to us and told us
534
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,060
that shaped permanently the way that we view
535
00:27:07,060 --> 00:27:09,640
what it means to live like a Christian.
536
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,060
And that's just by the grace of God,
537
00:27:13,060 --> 00:27:17,100
because it's not our Christian community is messy.
538
00:27:18,580 --> 00:27:21,820
We're messy too, even as the leaders,
539
00:27:21,820 --> 00:27:24,900
but being in community with people,
540
00:27:26,900 --> 00:27:30,620
it's not always, certainly not always easy,
541
00:27:30,620 --> 00:27:33,060
but it is deep and it is real.
542
00:27:33,060 --> 00:27:36,580
And it really, I think, like Jesus said,
543
00:27:36,580 --> 00:27:40,740
love, loving of one another, self-giving love.
544
00:27:40,740 --> 00:27:43,620
It leaves a taste for that and you want it
545
00:27:43,620 --> 00:27:44,660
for the rest of your life.
546
00:27:44,660 --> 00:27:47,380
You mentioned that military families move often
547
00:27:47,380 --> 00:27:51,480
and you and Daniel and the girls have recently moved too.
548
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,120
And it can make you feel disconnected and even isolated,
549
00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:57,820
but you've been proactive in creating that community
550
00:27:57,820 --> 00:28:01,020
in your new assignment.
551
00:28:01,020 --> 00:28:03,860
How are you doing that and why?
552
00:28:03,860 --> 00:28:08,660
When we moved, we sought to prayerfully discern
553
00:28:08,660 --> 00:28:11,260
the church that we were called to be a part of here.
554
00:28:12,380 --> 00:28:17,380
And not to do that too hastily, but to do it quickly,
555
00:28:18,580 --> 00:28:23,280
meaning not to sort of waffle around, dipping our toes in.
556
00:28:24,620 --> 00:28:27,520
As quickly as we discerned where we felt God
557
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,860
was calling us to go to church,
558
00:28:29,860 --> 00:28:34,300
we tried to jump in and view it as a place for us to grow
559
00:28:34,300 --> 00:28:38,340
and be fed, but also a place for us to plug in
560
00:28:38,340 --> 00:28:41,220
and to serve the local body here.
561
00:28:41,220 --> 00:28:44,820
So we attend the weekly gatherings of our church
562
00:28:44,820 --> 00:28:47,660
and we've started serving in its missions.
563
00:28:47,660 --> 00:28:48,920
We moved about three months ago,
564
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:53,020
so we've been doing that for maybe two months now.
565
00:28:53,020 --> 00:28:56,860
We tithe to support the pastors and the staff.
566
00:28:56,860 --> 00:29:00,420
And yeah, as soon as we knew, okay,
567
00:29:00,420 --> 00:29:02,460
this is the place God has for us,
568
00:29:02,460 --> 00:29:07,460
we tried to jump in and be contributing members
569
00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:09,780
as well as to allow it to sanctify
570
00:29:09,780 --> 00:29:11,380
and challenge and grow us.
571
00:29:12,340 --> 00:29:15,700
And one other sort of broader way
572
00:29:15,700 --> 00:29:17,620
that I try to look at the world,
573
00:29:17,620 --> 00:29:21,280
especially moving and meeting all new people,
574
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:26,280
is that I try to remember in all of my interactions
575
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:32,080
that I have living inside of me the hope of the world,
576
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,520
what every person that I meet needs.
577
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,180
Not me, they don't need me, Mary Foakey.
578
00:29:37,180 --> 00:29:39,540
They need the hope of the world, Jesus.
579
00:29:39,540 --> 00:29:41,700
And he lives inside of me in the Holy Spirit.
580
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,440
Every single person I meet is made in his image.
581
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,420
And if they are already a Christian,
582
00:29:48,420 --> 00:29:51,160
I try to find that out as quickly as I can.
583
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,920
And then begin to get together, fan into flames,
584
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,220
the gift of God that is inside both of us.
585
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,220
And if I find out, okay, this new person I met
586
00:30:02,220 --> 00:30:06,400
is not a believer, I try to earnestly
587
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,500
and Holy Spirit led share this hope with them
588
00:30:11,500 --> 00:30:14,440
through my actions and whenever possible
589
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,520
through my words as well.
590
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,640
And I think that helps me, especially moving
591
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,620
or being in a new situation.
592
00:30:21,620 --> 00:30:26,160
I just look at people as hopefully fellow Christians,
593
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,640
but I already have the thing that gives me meaning
594
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:30,620
and purpose in my life.
595
00:30:30,620 --> 00:30:33,360
So I don't need to seek that in my relationships.
596
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,660
It's something I either wanna encourage other people
597
00:30:35,660 --> 00:30:38,240
with me on that walk of faith,
598
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,840
or I'm trying to show them the hope of Christ.
599
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,120
And it makes things a lot less nerve wracking, I think,
600
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:50,120
because I'm not seeking new friendships to validate myself.
601
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,080
And that's a shift that God has matured and grown in me
602
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,320
probably largely through moving around a lot.
603
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,600
Yeah, and you've been involved in church
604
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,360
pretty much your whole life, most of the time willingly.
605
00:31:02,580 --> 00:31:06,920
So you've seen the good and the bad in church life.
606
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,500
It's not all perfect.
607
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,200
And God's giving you a burden to see people
608
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,000
engage differently with church and with the body of Christ.
609
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,680
Share what's on your heart
610
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,200
and what shaped your thinking on that.
611
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:26,080
So I'm really fortunate that what my parents modeled for me
612
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:31,080
was a deep and sacrificial commitment to our local church.
613
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:38,320
They were not shallow or surface level Christians.
614
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,440
They were not merely attenders or consumers,
615
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,480
which is there's nothing wrong with that for a time
616
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,480
if you're just learning about who Jesus is.
617
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,440
But once you become a Christian,
618
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,200
deep sacrificial commitment,
619
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,120
I guess seeing that in my parents,
620
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:03,120
it has always been my internal, I suppose litmus test
621
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,580
as it were for what it looks like to be a Christian,
622
00:32:08,580 --> 00:32:12,000
to be a committed, meaningfully serving member
623
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,840
of a local church.
624
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,080
Of course, there are some seasons of life
625
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,640
where this can look different.
626
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,980
But as I've grown and matured in my faith,
627
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,360
I firmly believe still in the importance
628
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,920
of being meaningfully connected.
629
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,600
And I think that's become more and more firm.
630
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:41,000
One place in the Bible that I think of
631
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,160
when I think of church commitment is opening of Acts,
632
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,240
where Luke who wrote Luke and then Acts
633
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,700
opens the book up by saying,
634
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,200
the first book I wrote all about
635
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,800
what Jesus began to do and teach.
636
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,660
And if you read Acts,
637
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,120
Jesus like leaves in the first chapter to go up to heaven,
638
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,480
his actual physical body.
639
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,440
So it's implying that Acts is about
640
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,640
what Jesus continued to do and teach
641
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,200
without his physical bodying there,
642
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,040
which means the Holy Spirit through the church
643
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,180
is what Jesus is doing in Acts.
644
00:33:24,180 --> 00:33:26,900
And I think a huge takeaway is that he's still doing
645
00:33:26,900 --> 00:33:30,440
and teaching in the world through the same way.
646
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,160
It's almost entirely about regular people
647
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:40,160
through the power of the Holy Spirit spreading the church.
648
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:47,000
It would be a lot less messy if Jesus had personally stayed
649
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,500
and reigned as the head of the church in the flesh.
650
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,800
And actually that's one thing that I look forward
651
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,760
to sort of learning more about in heaven
652
00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:00,760
because Jesus says, it's better for you that I go away
653
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,800
so that I can send to you the advocate, the Holy Spirit.
654
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:09,320
And that just surprises me looking at my own personal sin
655
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,160
and my own personal messiness
656
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,920
that God chooses to use me and chooses to use the church,
657
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,000
which is a bunch of me's,
658
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,300
it's a bunch of sinful, messy people,
659
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:23,840
but we're not God's plan B.
660
00:34:25,100 --> 00:34:28,080
It's how he chooses to work in history.
661
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:32,080
In Genesis, he put Adam and Eve to rule the world
662
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:36,100
on his behalf, knowing what we would do.
663
00:34:36,100 --> 00:34:40,520
But I guess it's just his nature to be a power sharing God.
664
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,080
I really have a passion.
665
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,060
I think the more I read the Bible to be committed to it,
666
00:34:45,060 --> 00:34:48,360
not because it's gonna be perfect or because I'm perfect,
667
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,160
but because I think that's how God wants to work
668
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:52,680
in human history.
669
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:57,080
Well, God certainly shows his love to the world
670
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,000
when imperfect people can love other imperfect people
671
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,000
in imperfect, and really the Lord empowers us
672
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,400
to love in perfect ways if we'll let him.
673
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:06,960
And that's the testimony to the world
674
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,600
because boy, we can rub each other the wrong way,
675
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,440
but still love one another.
676
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:12,400
That's powerful.
677
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,200
Mary, you're a mother of three little ones.
678
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,160
Your life is crazy sometimes,
679
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,400
running after this one or that one.
680
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,520
What advice do you have for other moms
681
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,080
who are struggling to stay connected to the Lord
682
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,600
in the midst of all their responsibilities?
683
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,040
We've touched on it a little bit already
684
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:36,460
is be connected with other local Christians.
685
00:35:36,460 --> 00:35:40,080
Don't try to struggle through solo.
686
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,840
I do a lot of walks and a lot of play dates
687
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,700
with other moms to just do life together.
688
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,820
Nobody has it all together.
689
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,240
So I think especially in the stage of parenting that I'm in
690
00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:56,600
with little tiny kids that make messes everywhere,
691
00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:01,800
I try to be very willing to let other Christians especially
692
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,560
into the reality of the messiness of life.
693
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,080
Not try to clean it all up
694
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,760
and you can't come over to my house until I vacuumed,
695
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,360
kind of saying, I want to keep my life as neat as possible,
696
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,240
but that's just not the reality
697
00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:17,360
of having three little kids a lot of the time.
698
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,840
So to be willing to really let other believers
699
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,640
into your life, even in all of its glory,
700
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,400
dirty toilets or whatever, that is community.
701
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,240
And that's how I stay connected to Christ
702
00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:34,700
is by really having meaningful connections
703
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,520
in the midst of life as it is.
704
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,680
So as we close, Mary, would you share about a woman
705
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,360
in the Bible who's inspired or encouraged
706
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:44,540
or taught you something?
707
00:36:44,540 --> 00:36:49,440
Ruth is my biggest non-Jesus biblical hero.
708
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:54,440
She lived during the time in Israel's history
709
00:36:55,660 --> 00:37:00,660
when the judges reigned and all the people in power
710
00:37:01,740 --> 00:37:04,740
were running her nation into the ground.
711
00:37:04,740 --> 00:37:06,460
It was a mess.
712
00:37:06,460 --> 00:37:08,020
It was a very dark time.
713
00:37:08,020 --> 00:37:13,020
If you read judges, it sort of goes from bad to worse
714
00:37:13,020 --> 00:37:18,020
and her story sits in that context.
715
00:37:18,020 --> 00:37:21,020
It opens in the time when the judges ruled
716
00:37:22,340 --> 00:37:27,340
and it shows how God was still working salvation.
717
00:37:27,940 --> 00:37:31,340
The plot line up to that point is humans have sinned
718
00:37:31,340 --> 00:37:34,620
and we need a savior, we need a hero
719
00:37:34,620 --> 00:37:37,940
and that is gonna be what God promised in Genesis 3.
720
00:37:37,940 --> 00:37:40,540
He's gonna have a seed of the woman,
721
00:37:40,540 --> 00:37:45,540
the hope of the world that's gonna crush the head of evil
722
00:37:45,540 --> 00:37:47,620
and that seed is being carried forth.
723
00:37:47,620 --> 00:37:50,940
It goes to Abraham, it comes to the people of Israel
724
00:37:50,940 --> 00:37:55,940
and now it's a big mess and that seed,
725
00:37:56,500 --> 00:37:59,180
that hope is carried through her, through Ruth.
726
00:37:59,180 --> 00:38:00,940
The genealogy at the end of the book,
727
00:38:00,940 --> 00:38:02,340
make sure to point that out,
728
00:38:02,340 --> 00:38:07,340
that she is the bearer of the hope of humanity.
729
00:38:07,340 --> 00:38:09,340
And when you read the story of Ruth,
730
00:38:09,340 --> 00:38:14,340
she doesn't do anything by the world standards.
731
00:38:14,940 --> 00:38:17,940
She's not a hero or a powerful leader.
732
00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:23,900
She is a faithful daughter-in-law, a faithful wife,
733
00:38:24,820 --> 00:38:29,820
a faithful mother and she puts her trust in Yahweh, in God.
734
00:38:31,820 --> 00:38:34,540
Nothing more but awesome.
735
00:38:34,540 --> 00:38:39,300
Nothing more but also nothing less.
736
00:38:39,300 --> 00:38:40,780
And in the kingdom of God,
737
00:38:40,780 --> 00:38:45,780
her quiet faithfulness and obedience is a model
738
00:38:46,460 --> 00:38:49,340
and just points to the surprising way
739
00:38:49,340 --> 00:38:52,140
that God's salvation plan is carried forward
740
00:38:52,140 --> 00:38:55,580
and in my story that's been a huge encouragement
741
00:38:55,580 --> 00:38:58,660
since I think I'm called at least in this season
742
00:38:58,660 --> 00:39:02,300
to do something more similar to that,
743
00:39:02,300 --> 00:39:04,220
a life of quiet faithfulness.
744
00:39:04,220 --> 00:39:06,660
You know, as I've thought about what you've shared,
745
00:39:06,660 --> 00:39:08,580
the story in John six of the young boy
746
00:39:08,580 --> 00:39:10,980
who offered his five barley loaves
747
00:39:10,980 --> 00:39:13,860
and two fish to Jesus came to mind.
748
00:39:13,860 --> 00:39:16,460
You know, sharing his lunch might seem
749
00:39:16,460 --> 00:39:17,780
like a really small thing,
750
00:39:17,780 --> 00:39:21,420
not very important in God's plan, but it was.
751
00:39:21,420 --> 00:39:25,900
When Jesus blessed his offering, he fed 5,000 people
752
00:39:25,900 --> 00:39:29,780
and he taught the disciples several lessons from it
753
00:39:29,780 --> 00:39:31,380
that we're still learning today.
754
00:39:31,380 --> 00:39:34,100
And you know, while the small boy was not the hero
755
00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:38,180
in the story, he exhibited that radical ordinary hospitality
756
00:39:38,180 --> 00:39:41,820
that you talked about earlier and Jesus allowing Jesus
757
00:39:41,820 --> 00:39:44,900
to be the hero in the midst of that radical ordinary
758
00:39:44,900 --> 00:39:48,460
hospitality, because his small gesture was important enough
759
00:39:48,460 --> 00:39:49,820
to be included in the Bible
760
00:39:49,820 --> 00:39:51,740
for all the future generations to read.
761
00:39:51,740 --> 00:39:53,780
We read about it today.
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So when we do those small things out of love
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and obedience to God, recognizing that Jesus is the hero,
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the savior that he really is, he can do amazing things
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in and through each one of us.
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Mary, would you take a moment and pray for our listeners?
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Father, thank you that you are the hero of the story,
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of our stories and of human history,
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that it doesn't rest on us to be perfect
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or to save the world.
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We can rest in your salvation,
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that on the cross and through the resurrection,
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we have hope of life everlasting.
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I ask Lord that you would help each one of us
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to rest in your love, that we would know how high
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and wide and long and deep is the love of Christ for us.
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That we would just marinate in that
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and that it would transform our hearts,
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that we would be energized and excited to share that love
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with those that we come in contact with.
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We ask this in Jesus' name, amen.
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Amen.
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Well, thank you for tuning in.
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In our show notes at hergodstory.org,
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you'll find scriptures and other information we talked about.
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