From Psychic to Saved with Jenn Nizza: Episode 9 hosted by Brian & Cara

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With events such as the movie Tarot being released May 9th, Russell Brand coming to

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Christ and simultaneously promoting the uses of Tarot cards, singer and actress Ariana

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Grande announces she is a witch as well as many others.

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What does this mean for Christians?

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What should our stance be on all things divination and new age?

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Where do we draw the line in what we watch and listen to?

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Is yoga okay to practice as a Christian?

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Vanessa is an ex-psychic who is now saved and she is here to share a strong warning

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for Christians that may see dabbling in these things as harmless.

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Jen has had a notable appearance on the Michael Knowles show, is an author, podcaster and

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public speaker.

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Stay tuned with us at InvestiWidth Purpose to dive in and hear more about Jen's extraordinary

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transformation as a Christian using her time, talent and treasure to spread truth and bring

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glory to God.

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Invested with purpose, making the most out of your time, talent and treasures.

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Pull up a seat and join us as we uncover powerful testimonies that are sure to move and inspire

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you.

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Meet Christians from all walks of life and hear their incredible stories that will both

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motivate and challenge the way you view the world.

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These men and women exemplify Christian values and biblical stewardship in areas of mission,

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finance, entertainment, sports and more.

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We are just going to jump right into it because you have so much to share and we're just so

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excited about your testimony and your story.

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So can you tell us a little bit about how old you were when you were introduced to new

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age practices and how that led to becoming a psychic?

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Well I was formally introduced to new age practices at the age of 13 when I had my first

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tarot card reading and I was extremely intrigued by this event honestly.

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It was definitely a supernatural event.

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I sat before this tarot card reader and she was able to tell me things that she couldn't

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have known and I was in awe.

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How did these cards know something about me?

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How did this woman know these details?

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It wasn't extremely profound the information but the information was true.

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It was accurate and I wanted more of that after this encounter.

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So that's what actually set me on that trajectory, that demonic trajectory because I sought it

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out after that.

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It was addictive.

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So addictive.

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I actually always say that Kara.

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It's like potato chips you can't just have one and I'm not trying to be silly with that

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but people understand that way of speaking and it's also like being hungry and having

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all the food in front of you and eating all the food but you never get full.

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So because of course only Jesus Christ can fulfill us.

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Right.

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See and I've seen you talk also about this and how it's like a tease that leaves you

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hungry for more.

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You got on purpose the spirits that you're encountering these dark spirits.

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Oh yeah.

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I mean they're going to give you accurate information and readings because anything

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that they have seen already they can report with 100% accuracy and then they're going

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to throw in the predictions.

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So people are really signing up for both.

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They want to have that supernatural phenomenon.

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They're intrigued by the paranormal, by the supernatural.

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The paranormal activities or the lights going on and off, you know the things that demons

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are messing around with but then you have that supernatural occurrence where again how

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could this person have known this about me, what's happening and you think because it

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suits you and you like it that it could even be godly or it could be holy or it could be

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a gift but you're also going for that future information.

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You know we were just talking yesterday in church about covetousness and you think about

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it, we're never satisfied with what we have, with what God has given us.

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Just as Eve wanted that hidden knowledge, Adam wanted that hidden knowledge, wanted

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something that the rest wasn't good enough for them, that God gave them all of the blessings

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in the garden and the one thing they shouldn't have touched, they had to have.

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So we think that we're entitled to this future information, not only entitled to it but we

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desire it, we crave it.

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We crave to know what is unknown and the sad thing is that when you go to demons for

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that information which is where all psychic information is coming from.

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Now again that was unbeknownst to me of course at the time and like many today which is why

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we talk about this.

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It's coming from demons and those demons do not know the future nor do they care so they're

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willing to give you some accurate information because they don't care.

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As I've watched a lot of your content and you've spoken about how psychics can almost

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recruit each other, is that kind of what happened with you?

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Yeah, well they're always looking to recruit and it's not the psychic specifically because

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the psychic is being used by the demons so the demons want to recruit their army.

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So when I went for my first psychic mediumship reading, I, hold on let me just, that when

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I had my first psychic mediumship experience and then I went to the medium, she told me

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that I'm a medium and that I need to use this gift quote unquote to help people get messages

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from their departed loved ones.

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So you think you're doing a good job for, or you're doing a good service for someone?

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Well and you want to help, that's the thing.

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See, not that it matters the appearance of the situation, right?

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Because there are people in covens with black pointy hats and then I always make fun of

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myself and you have people like me who are doing readings and shopping at the gap, business

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casual, you know, just, you know, your girl next door type of thing but still serving

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the same horde of demonic minions is the same thing, it's just as demonic.

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But I thought I was helping people and I wanted to help people but yes, in all, I think all,

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so maybe I shouldn't blanket statement that but I would bet, if I was a betting person,

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that at some point or the other in readings, you are going to hear at some point that you

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need to go to the spiritual center, that you have a gift also, that you should get crystals,

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you get your own tarot cards and those demons will also influence you in that way to do

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those things anyway because now you're going to be so intrigued by it, you're going to

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be inclined to go to the metaphysical shop.

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To, and now everything's right in your face, you don't even have to go to the metaphysical

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shop, you can go to Barnes & Noble.

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Right, which is shocking, you walk right through and it's some of the first things that you

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see.

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Yeah, yeah, which is so, it's very sad what's happening today, honestly.

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Right, Ouija boards right there in the center of the aisle, absolutely.

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Jen, you keep talking about this intriguing nature of it and I kind of feel like, you

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know, we're all so intrigued by this unknown, some of this stuff and that's why we see all

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these TV shows like Ghost Hunters and all these things, you know, everyone's kind of

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had this mild infatuations of strong word but just curiosity about the unknown or ghosts

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or spirits and of course it permeates movies, it permeates all sorts of things and it's

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kind of just kind of fed into our lives in a way that we're constantly looking for something

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and yet you talk about the dangers of course that are associated with this.

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I mean, from the average person, you know, we feel like it's just harmless fun but of

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course what you're describing is not harmless whatsoever.

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Right, no, but that's the smoke and mirrors, that's the illusion that the enemy wants you

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to have to think that it's entertainment, to think that it's fun and games, even how

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they market the Ouija board as a game, they put horoscopes out there, they put astrology

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on Facebook quizzes, everything is just desensitizing, the enemy desensitizes, people do that and

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also it's glamorized in our culture.

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Witchcraft is trendy, it's hot, it's happening, you know, you take the nostalgia of people

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that my car is a age or, you know, the kids in their 20s and you bring in Vanessa Hudgens

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and you bring in people like Taylor Swift and you bring in, and it's everywhere and

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it's actually a very sinister and nefarious agenda and what is going on is demonic.

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People are intrigued by the supernatural which makes sense because we are looking for something.

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All people are, whether they claim God or don't claim God, we're looking for the fulfillment

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of Christ Jesus in our hearts.

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We are easily led astray and easily distracted, especially when we don't know the truth.

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So when we're talking about the dangers of divination, average listeners, they might

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hear divination and not understand what that means or even new age practices.

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So can you break that down for those that don't know like under that umbrella?

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So we're talking, you know, even Reiki and then Tarot cards and Ouija boards, can you

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fill in that picture for our audience?

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Sure, so divination in and of itself is when you are going to creation to extract hidden

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meanings, esoteric knowledge for yourself, using creation to do that, such as some tools

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like we mentioned, the ready or tarot cards, that's a tool of divination.

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It's a cardboard card with paintings on it, but you're going to that thing to get some

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sort of insight, knowledge or wisdom in your life instead of going to God.

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Same as divination is also seeking communication with spirits.

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And I do the air quotes on that one because we know there's only the Holy Spirit, which

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is the third person of the triune God, and then demons.

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So you think you're communicating with dead people.

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Some people call them ghosts.

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So this is also divination under that umbrella term.

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You see things like astrology, numerology, you see because you're going to planets,

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the stars, the sun, the moon to get your wisdom again to get some sort of knowledge.

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The sun does not know if you're going to get a new job in a month from now.

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A star or a group of stars do not know whether you are good with money or you're a bad cook

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or you're sluggish or whatever.

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And so that's divination.

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But you see people keep going to it and actually rest the outcomes of their life on demonic

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guesses on demonic information because it satisfies them in the moment.

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It's instant gratification.

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But that's why you see you have to keep going and going because it's the counterfeit.

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It can't fulfill you.

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Absolutely.

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So it's alive.

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So the story that you I saw you, you gave your story.

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I can't remember if it was on TikTok and I was really hooked and you were talking about

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a drive that you took at night and I think you know where I'm going with this.

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And it was just so profound.

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Was that that story, I would like you to share it with us, but was that the red flag moment?

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Was that like the moment that was illuminating for you that this was the wrong path that

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you'd been on?

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I wish I could say yes.

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I wish I could say yes, but unfortunately no, that was not.

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It still continued for some time after that.

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So what Kara is referencing is when I was a psychic medium, I did private readings, but

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I also did group readings.

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And when I used to go for group readings, it scared me because yes, I had an element

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of fear.

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I wouldn't have called demons demons.

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I wouldn't have known that they were demons.

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I just thought that like any other new age or psychic that I could control the spiritual

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realm and there were good spirits and bad spirits.

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So when there was something quote unquote bad, I would be afraid.

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And I think that I had that sense before I would even go to the group reading because

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I was always afraid to drive home at night and I was afraid in the dark.

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So what happened was I would go to these group readings and these familiar spirits, which

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is another term aka demon, familiar spirits are familiar with you, your family for generations

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and they look like a person.

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I know that's a difficult thing to grasp, but how they manifest themselves is like your

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grandma, your grandpa, you know, that's who who is talking to you in the reading.

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It's a demon.

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So I would see these familiar spirits, they would come come back with me after these group

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readings and they'd be on the highway and I'm doing 5560 miles per hour in the dark

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by myself and I would see these familiar spirits on the road and in the car with me.

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And now, yeah, and that's the thing now this ministry that I have now causes me to think

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back on all of these things.

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And it's so eye-opening to see the level of evil and how it points to the truth of the

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God's word, which is the truth, right?

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Because the enemy seeks to steal, kill and destroy.

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I could have died had I stopped short when I when you see a familiar spirit, a demon

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in the road and you're driving 60 miles per hour of God forbid I had stopped short and

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there was a car behind me.

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I could have more or swerved and yeah or swerved and got hurt or right, whatever.

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But it also shows how the devil cannot work God's plan.

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Right, for your life.

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So though the devil may have sought to destroy me, he couldn't because it wasn't in God's

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plan.

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That devil and those demons are on a short leash.

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Absolutely.

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So like you mentioned you've mentioned scripture and how many times in scripture we're warned

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against these things.

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So just off, you know, the top second chronicles 33 6 Leviticus 1931, Revelation 16 14 Isaiah

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8 19.

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And I'm sure you have plenty more.

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Right, well, your derotomy 18 10 to 12.

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Let's not forget.

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I mean, when Jesus was here on earth, I mean, he he cast demons out of people through them

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into pigs and they threw themselves into the water.

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I mean, like, these are not to be trifled with.

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I mean, this is this is something that, you know, 2000 years later, we look back and we're

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like, Oh, that's a great story.

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It's an interesting story.

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No, I mean, people were scared to death when they saw that stuff.

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I mean, it is not to play with.

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And if it's something that's serious enough to like make pigs run off a mountain, I mean,

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wow, we're studying Mark right now in our morning Bible study.

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So that that one's fresh in our minds.

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Fresh in my mind.

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Yes, I can say.

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And that's why the enemy, because we see in 2 Corinthians 11 14 and 15 that he Satan

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masquerades as an angel of light.

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And it's no wonder that his servants would masquerade as servants of righteousness.

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So if you were seeing it the way they were seeing it then, which in some cases we do,

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but the devil today, I think is doing such a such a job.

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I don't want to say great job, but doing such a job of masquerading between glamorizing

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it and also making it seem like it's a healing.

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It's so wonderful.

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It's light and love.

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Don't worry about it.

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You could burn some sage.

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You've got this under control, you know, making you have to be your own God.

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A baby God, but also that it is not at all what it's making it seem like something that

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it's not.

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Absolutely.

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So I have an interesting question for you.

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There is some debate in Christendom about the practice of yoga and how that can call

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upon things and different things like that.

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My experience with yoga is through like P 90 X.

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Shout out to Tony Horton.

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I love that guy.

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He helped me get in shape and he had like this.

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One of his programs had a yoga thing, which was basically stretching, you know, and like

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he, he named all the moves that I was doing and stuff.

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But I've always been curious because I've read a lot about this and like, you know,

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when you get deep into this yoga type stuff and you're chanting and you're doing this

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kind of stuff, can you give us some thoughts on that?

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Oh, definitely.

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I would encourage any and all people to stay away from yoga.

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Yoga is actually not just stretching and breathing.

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And I know that that's one of the enemy's tactics to push it out, especially now with

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people with anxiety and stomach issues, arthritis, so on and so forth.

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But it's actually a Hindu spiritual practice and the spiritual aspect cannot be separated

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from the practice.

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It is the core of their spirituality and what they're actually doing, these pastures are

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deliberate pastures, worshiping their false gods.

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That's with a little G their false deities, a.k.a. demons.

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And they have over 330 million of them.

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You're contorting your body into a graven image, worshiping their demons.

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Therefore, or thereby opening doors, opening demonic doors.

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And, and, you know, some people will say, but it's holy yoga or I'm just putting on

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some worship music and I'm not, I'm not doing home.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I'm not, yeah, I'm not doing namaste.

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I'm not doing that.

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I love Jesus.

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Well, in the words of my very dear friend, Doreen, who says, well, would you put scripture

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on a Ouija board and say, OK, yeah, conviction.

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Okay, there are there are just certain things and it's so tricky that even does the Bible

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says that Satan can even do things that would possibly or could possibly confuse the elect.

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So that's why it's important for us to test the spirits first on 414.

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Oh, absolutely.

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And this leads into a question that I have for you.

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Okay.

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So we're on the same platforms on the same social media platforms.

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And you may be familiar with this name if I throw it out, but I'm not going to name

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drop.

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I'm just going to say that there is one particular influencer or creator that has about two million

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followers and she's saved.

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But she also, you know, claims to be ex psychic.

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And you may know her by Auntie and I won't say the rest of the name.

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I knew from the two million followers.

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And you know, she just has such a lovely, you know, way about her and I love, I do love

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when she speaks about Jesus.

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But the difference between your content and say her content is that you're educating,

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but you don't stay there in that dark place.

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You give the people the hope and you do it quickly and you, you point people in the right

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direction right from the get go.

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And with some of this content that I feel she puts out, I feel like it focuses quite

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a bit on the darkness.

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And almost stays in it.

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Do you feel like there's a danger in giving demons too much credit and too much power?

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Absolutely.

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Yes.

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Absolutely.

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See, we never want to glorify demons, give them too much.

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Well, first of all, they deserve no credit for anything.

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But we, we do have to be very careful about that because then people can hyper focus on

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that part.

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They can hyper focus on the demonic part when in truth and in fact, we have the victory

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of Christ Jesus.

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Yes.

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It was the authority over these demons and we don't have to be in fear of them.

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However, I do, I do say we need to know who our opponent is.

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That's important, right?

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That's to train our spiritual eyes so that when the lies start coming at us, oh, we know,

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we know those are lies and we know that's coming from the demonic versus of course the

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word of God.

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So we need to test the spiritual.

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Yes, we need to be extremely careful not to over demonize.

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In fact, I'm going to be doing a video today for my YouTube channel on that very topic

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with demons because I got called out on Instagram.

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May as well put this out there.

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For having a Starbucks cup for drink, for drinking Starbucks because of the marine spirits

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and this and the other.

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And it just made me think to myself.

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I've been called out for the same thing.

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Yeah, the exact same thing.

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And then listen, here I am, right?

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And I encourage people not to go near music that has been automatically written because

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that's channeling demons.

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But when you're talking about a company or a business, we here living in corporate America

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and everything else, we're on TikTok.

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We've gone to, we've shopped at Amazon.

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We go to Barnes and Noble.

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We go to CVS, whether you're going for your medicine.

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These companies, where do you think the money is going to, unfortunately, it's getting into

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hands that do the work of the evil.

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You're absolutely correct.

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That is, those are principles we stand on at Timothy plan.

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Absolutely.

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So I want to have that conversation.

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I'm going to have a conversation today.

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Where do we draw the line?

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Let's have a balance.

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Let's have a balance conversation because as Christians, again, we shouldn't be afraid

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to go to the coffee shop.

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We shouldn't be afraid.

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I mean, and then you get into the whole Christian liberty thing.

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Listen, if it's an issue for you and you come to my house, I won't have it because I don't

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want to have an issue for you.

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Right.

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A stumbling block.

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A stumbling, right.

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So there's so much that goes into that.

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We believe there's a difference between purchasing goods and say, being an owner of, say, a stock.

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Right.

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Right.

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So that's the line that we draw on the sand.

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That's helpful.

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So that's where we stand on that.

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So when I am watching you on your lives, the one thing that stands out to me the most is

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how incredibly gentle you are when communicating with both nonbelievers and those that see

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themselves as Christians, but also dabble in these things.

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And sometimes they're not always polite.

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And sometimes it's a bit of a challenge, you know, but I've watched you handle all of that

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with such grace.

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Tell me about it and how you got to this place where you can do that today because not everybody

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can stand in the face of, you know, I don't want to say the enemy, but people that are

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opposing you and do it with the kindness and grace that you do it with.

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I truly appreciate that encouragement, Cara.

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Sometimes I don't realize it because I'm Italian.

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I'm from New York.

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Sometimes my passion, I feel to be mistaken for possible rudeness.

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No, it's assertiveness.

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It's good.

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Thank you.

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I appreciate that so much.

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It has been a work in progress, I think, because the Lord placed me in this mission field in

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2020.

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And in the beginning of it, I remember being so, I wanted to quit within week one because

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of attacks that were coming at me and the Lord, the, you know, the Lord has provided

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such strength.

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It's I can do nothing apart from him.

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This is all, all thanks and glory to Jesus and his strength and strengthening, strengthening

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me throughout the course of the last four years because even when my first account got

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shut down on TikTok after I posted a Ben Shapiro video that went viral, I got the boot.

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And I, at that point, I think I had 33,000 subscribers or whatever.

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And I'm like, I'm tired.

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I don't want to do this again.

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Ouch.

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Yeah.

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And about a month later, the Lord was like, no, you're not done.

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You're getting back in there.

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So I went back in there and things changed.

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And I said, Lord, well, I'm getting back in there.

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This is your account.

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This is your page.

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This is your mission field.

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I'm just, I'm just going to do whatever you want and leave me however you want it to go.

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And I kept doing the lives.

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The lives is the one thing that has remained steady because with the videos and the algorithm

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and you're not doing the dances or you're not putting the popular music sometimes or

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whatever, you get lost in the shuffle.

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But the lives, I have such a desire for evangelism.

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So I'm on there and then the Lord's letting all these different people come my way.

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And I think you just learn over that period of time, you know, you remember your own humility

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before the Lord, how much God has graced me.

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God helped me to be gracious to other people.

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And I thank you and I do pray that that would be seen and people would know how much I love

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them.

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Otherwise I wouldn't even be doing what I do because I could sit here and be quiet and

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not get the hate too.

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But out of the love for souls, not perishing, but coming to Christ and having eternal life,

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that's the love that compels us to do it.

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Too many of us as Christians are content to sit quiet because we don't want to hate.

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We don't want to be in the front lines of these things.

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So thank you for doing that.

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You touched on four lies that you are told when doing these new age practices of how

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to protect yourself.

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Could you cover those with our audience?

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Because I thought some of those, especially number three was very interesting about the

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Lord's Supper.

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Ah, yes.

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I don't have the list in front of me, but off memory smudging, which is burning white

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sage, you believe that you can protect yourself from negative, if that's the video you're

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thinking of.

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Okay, okay.

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That you believe I was exposed to this in the divination group that I landed in in the

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very beginning of the mediumship and because I hadn't known about white sage.

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So it's a cultural practice and the idea, the concept is that you can rid yourself of

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demonic, hold on, negative.

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I'm so sorry to call anything demonic.

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You have energies and clear your space.

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So we would do this before we would go into divination.

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I would do that as part of my ritual before doing readings.

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So this of course is a false tool of protection because demons are not afraid of sage.

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When you think about it practically, it sounds kind of ridiculous.

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So much of it does now.

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I have to be honest with you.

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I'm like, how did I think the moon knew what was going to happen in my life?

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It's like, what was I doing?

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But anyway, you're so blinded and you're so deceived, you really believe it because you

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really see these things happening and you're looking for the answer.

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You're looking for the solution.

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So that's my quote.

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The new age is going to the problem for the solution and you keep doing it and doing it

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of course.

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Right?

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So you have that and I always say, eat your sage.

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Don't burn it.

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It's not just me.

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It is delicious.

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It's delicious.

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But a waste of sage.

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The one that makes me laugh now and please know that I laugh because to me it seems sort

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of, you know, so outlandish.

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Imagining white light around myself was going to protect me from evil entities or evil spirits

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or whatever I thought they were at the time.

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Literally my imagination.

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So now demons are afraid of imagination?

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No.

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I don't think so.

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Okay.

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So white light, would you have to imagine, you have to think about it, right?

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How much would you even have to?

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It's just, it's like a chalk drawing around you.

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Yeah.

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That was, yes, like the, at the crime scene, that's what the, yeah, around your body, the

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outline.

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So we had that, then we had, yeah, the Lord's Prayer.

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When I went into that divination group, the leader would say, of course she was loose,

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some loose form of Catholic.

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I was raised culturally Catholic, so there's the hook there too, right?

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The Our Father.

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To say this prayer of protection, any prayer is not going to protect you while you're practicing

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divination.

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This is not how God works.

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Okay.

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And it would help if, you know, you're saved too, so he can hear your prayer and, you know,

470
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,360
yeah, yeah.

471
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:35,360
Right.

472
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:36,360
Of course.

473
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:37,360
Well, yes.

474
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:38,360
Right.

475
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:39,720
And we get tripped up a lot.

476
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,400
They think we're all children of God and we're not.

477
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:47,200
We're not children of God until we become born again and put off faith and trust, belief

478
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,000
in Lord Jesus.

479
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,400
Before that, we're at war with God.

480
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,000
We're children of Our Father, of lies, the devil.

481
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,480
The only prayer that God hears from the unbelievers is the prayer for repentance, the prayer to

482
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:00,480
be saved.

483
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,480
So yeah, no, God's not, yeah, that's not how that works.

484
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,480
And I don't remember, because it was a while ago, the video was still there, because there

485
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,840
are so many tools, false tools of protection.

486
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:08,840
It was a crystal.

487
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:09,840
I believe so.

488
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,240
Or maybe salt, cinnamon.

489
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:18,480
You know, all the things, bottom line is that creation is not going to protect you from

490
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:19,760
demons.

491
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:26,680
Jesus Christ is the only protection we have against demons because they bow down only

492
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:31,360
to Lord Jesus, just as all creation does even the rocks.

493
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,480
Yeah, the rocks cry out.

494
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:34,640
We'll cry out.

495
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:35,640
Right.

496
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:42,720
So that's the deception, but again, making you your own God and making you in control,

497
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:43,720
right?

498
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,120
Oh, I can do this and everything will be fine.

499
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:47,400
Or I can do this.

500
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:53,240
And sometimes it may seem to relax the situation a little bit, right?

501
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,840
But that's just the illusion once again.

502
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:56,840
And it's temporary.

503
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:02,520
And leads to what some people may not recognize about oppression is that it can take on the

504
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,600
form of depression.

505
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,160
So mental health issues, you're doing all of these things because you want to feel better

506
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:09,160
about yourself.

507
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,480
You want to feel more energy.

508
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:17,000
You want to feel more revitalized, whatever it is that you're craving, and you end up

509
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,160
actually in a darker space.

510
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:20,160
Yeah.

511
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,440
Yeah, that's the vulnerability that the enemy prays on because you don't feel good or you're

512
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:29,800
sad or you're, you know, what are you lonely, curious, all those things.

513
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,960
And then see that's again, the going to the problem for the solution.

514
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:41,440
Because then you go to these new age practices for healing and this knowledge or knowledge

515
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:46,760
that you think is truth and isn't because it's the counterfeit.

516
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,600
And then you end up with that oppression.

517
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:49,600
Well then you're oppressed.

518
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:50,680
Now you've got to go back.

519
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,200
Now you're going to do another thing.

520
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:53,760
It's just an endless cycle.

521
00:31:53,760 --> 00:32:01,720
That's why we always call it in the ex new age group here, the hamster wheel.

522
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,280
You're always beyond that hamster wheel until you come to Christ.

523
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:05,280
He's the only one.

524
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:06,280
Yeah.

525
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,120
And that's where I don't like to, I call myself the bad guy.

526
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,240
I don't want to be the bad guy.

527
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:15,960
In fact, I think it makes me one of the good guys to say and warn you about the symptoms

528
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:22,560
of oppression because people honestly believe that they can do these practices over and

529
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:23,960
over and over again.

530
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:29,400
And then when those things happen, guys, oh, it's not at all because I was doing that.

531
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,680
That's not what I, I just have bad luck.

532
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:37,720
Or I just didn't burn enough sage or I just didn't do, you've got to know where the, because

533
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,400
destruction is certain to happen.

534
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:40,800
That oppression is certain.

535
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,300
It's a certainty.

536
00:32:42,300 --> 00:32:45,920
That's what I want people to understand it is whether, and that's why I always say, don't

537
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,760
believe what you're looking at on TV.

538
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,760
Don't, oh, you're watching the ghost hunter show.

539
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:55,440
You're watching the Long Island medium and she's, you know, out there and what you don't

540
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,080
go home with these people.

541
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,440
You don't go home with these people.

542
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,680
They're not going to show you that part, but trust me, it's happening.

543
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,160
We are so good at rationalizing our way into almost anything.

544
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:11,040
I mean, you can, you can talk your way into, you know, I mean, God will be there.

545
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,560
He's going to protect me or you go before me.

546
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:14,560
Yeah.

547
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,880
You know, not if you're going to step into direct sin, you know,

548
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,760
His word is very specific.

549
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:26,000
Well, yeah, tell us a little bit about where everyone, our audience can find you.

550
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,400
Tell us about your new books.

551
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,520
Actually, you have a new book and you, this is two now for you, correct?

552
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:36,520
I have two that are out there from psychic to saved and out of the new age into the truth,

553
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,640
which are both available on Amazon and through my website.

554
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:44,400
Everything's linked on my website, www.xpsychicsave.com.

555
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:49,280
That'll link you to all the platforms and some interviews and my podcast.

556
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,120
I am writing a new book now, which I am actually super excited about.

557
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,600
This is, this is going to be, it's my memoir.

558
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:01,440
And it's going really from soup to nuts, how I became oppressed, what my life looked

559
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:07,880
like, what life was like serving devils, of course, then how I come to salvation and the

560
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,040
ministry over the last 10 and a half years.

561
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,200
So I pray that it would bless people.

562
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:15,720
I'm sure it will.

563
00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:17,360
Well, you're just incredible.

564
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:22,880
And thank you so much for sharing your story with us and with our audience.

565
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:31,280
I really, I pray that God's going to expand your ministry and to reach thousands and millions

566
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:32,280
more.

567
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:37,000
Hey, if, if, if that other creator can have two million, you can have four million, right?

568
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:42,720
I'm going to pray that over you because people are desperately craving the message in the

569
00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:45,440
gospel and then they need Jesus.

570
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,760
And so we thank you for being a vessel of hope.

571
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:49,760
Yes.

572
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:50,960
Thank you for having me.

573
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:51,960
God bless you and your mission.

574
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,480
God bless you.

575
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,400
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