Integrating Faith and Politics: Re-evaluating the Misconception of Separation of Church and State

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Culture would have Christians believe that we should check our faith at the door when

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dealing with politics.

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We commonly hear about the separation of church and state, but what does that really mean?

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Scott Cahill is joining us today from Finsac Life on Invested with Purpose to dive into

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the responsibility Christians carry in the public square and beyond.

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My name is Orlando.

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And I am Brian.

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And today we have a guest with us, Scott Cahill Jr. of Finsac Life.

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Scott, welcome to the show.

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Thank you, Orlando.

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Thank you, Brian.

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It's good to be on the show.

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Yes, it's great to have you.

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So we really appreciate you joining us today before we get into anything specific.

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Just generally speaking, we'd love to hear about your story, how God has worked in your

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life, and how you got to where you are today.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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I'd say I'm a third generation or fourth generation grew up in the church and spent my life in

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the church, but it wasn't until I was age 15 when I made a decision for Christ.

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And that's when everything changed my life, changed schools, changed friends, changed everything

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as you get out of the social influences that you have when you're growing up.

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And shortly thereafter, I think God was starting to show me the path and calling that he would

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have for my life.

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And it was always thinking business, which is where I am, but it was also interest in

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running for student government and being involved in government in different capacity.

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And so as I got into just kind of had this being drawn toward government, I was always

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wrestling with how the church was handling it.

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And it was always something where you felt like there's this dichotomy of church here,

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government here, everything has got to be separated.

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We've got to be careful.

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And you have all the phrases and some stuff that you can seem trite right now where like,

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what are we doing right now?

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So it's like, it's okay to be business in the church to talk about business.

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It's okay to talk about education.

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It's all okay to talk about this.

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But government was always seemed to be the whole stepchild of this.

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Like let's just separate this and put them aside.

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They're not part of the inheritance.

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And so I said, there just needs to be a better narrative through this.

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And so I got myself kind of on this journey of wrestling through where do we need to be

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at this time?

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What do we need to understand?

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And how do we need to communicate this in a way that's understood within the church

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that gives people a biblical understanding?

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So I think people say, when you get political, I said, well, it's being biblically responsible.

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And that's what we're trying to understand right now.

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So 2020 hit and that really gave me a lot of, they opened my eyes to a lot of things.

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It gave me an understanding of what's really going on and what's at play.

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And you started doing a lot of research and stuff, not taking the current narrative, not

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looking at what's right in front of us and taking things of face value, but seeing like,

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how do we understand this?

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How do we engage?

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And some of the concepts and some of the understandings that were revealed to me is that if we,

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as a church, church body, choose to stay out of a certain area, how do we expect to see

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any element of righteousness in that area?

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So if we don't step into it, regardless of how dirty or how ugly it is, the only way

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that it does get cleaner, the only way that you start to see a place where people want

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to be a part of is by stepping into it and willing to work within that area and understanding

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what needs to be done in this time period.

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So it's just been incumbent on me as I've been finding a lot of guys running for office

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right now, the last two years, that have been like us.

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They've been guys that have been in the financial sector.

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They've been a teacher.

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They've been in missions field.

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That's on the phone with a guy who was a missionary before he ran for office.

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So it was like the dream of our founders to see people from all walks of life to spend

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time in the civic sphere because they understand that there's a purpose to it.

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And this is also something that they can do as they pass on to the next generation, what

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kind of legacy they want to leave.

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So I just see how you can bring this all together with that and being able to focus

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on, well, is it an issue on the left?

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Is it an issue on the right?

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So why don't we just get to the scripture and see what it says and let that truth.

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Absolutely.

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I wrestle with that also as far as integrating politics and within the church and church life

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and my Christian walk.

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And I realize that Jesus is Lord, Jesus Christ being Lord of all things is a political statement

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in and of itself.

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One of the observations that I also see is extremes within human beings.

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We go to the extremes that could be times where it's too political, where every Sunday

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is almost like a political rally.

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And then it could go to the other side where we act as if politics don't matter at all.

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Why do you believe or think in your observations?

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Why is it so challenging to have some type of integration there or not even, as you said,

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not even to look at things as integrating, but to look at the scriptures and see how

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that plays out.

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Why is it so challenging?

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I believe it's the day and age we're in right now.

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I think there's been, to be honest, a lack of preparation when it comes out of the seminaries

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in the past.

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And so it's kind of the old adage, I stay out of religion and politics.

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Well, in church, it's like we stay out of this right here, stay out of this one sector.

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We cede this sector to the territory of darkness toward the enemy.

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But I think it's kind of like you touch a hot stove and so you stay away.

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So and you say something, you get burnt and you say, oh, that didn't work out too well.

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So we're going to play it safe or we'll stay over here and we're just not going to get

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into this.

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And so I said, well, the legacy of that means that you're going to find yourself backed into

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a corner where almost everything right now seems to be political.

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You're thinking medical decisions are political.

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Living in lives is political.

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So you start to really ask these questions, what's really going on right now?

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And so I started to see like, well, if you're wanting to shut down the church and minimize

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the influence of the church, you would certainly want them to stay out of certain things that

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you know that you could speak life to.

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And so when people look at certain issues and say, well, this is so controversial that

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we don't want to talk about it.

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And but when I study the Gospels and the book of Acts, one great example after an example

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of the book of Acts is that Paul would go from city to city and he would have people

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from the prior city will come in and they would interrupt, they would come and stir up trouble,

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they would continue to make problems for wherever he went.

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And so if we brought that into modern day context, I would argue that people will look

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at a guy like Paul and say, hey, man, you're too controversial.

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Can you just tone it down some?

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You're just causing too many problems.

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I like Paul like what he says, but he just brings this controversy wherever he goes.

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And I started to ask the question, I said, is that Paul's problem or is there something

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at play that's a power play that they're saying, we don't want to lose our power.

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So we're going to shut this guy down because it's too powerful for what he's saying.

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Well, thank God Paul didn't listen to him.

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Paul stayed with us asking him.

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You look at it when Jesus would show up, there's always people asking questions, trying to put

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him on spot, trying to say, they called him a glutton, they called John the Baptist, he

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has a demon.

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Just because there's accusations throwing at you, I think there's an element right now

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we see the churches that we just want to stay clean of all this.

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We don't want to be the ones that are getting accused of.

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We're trying to find that middle pathway to get through this.

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And I said, well, maybe it's not the middle pathway that you're looking for, but try the

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truthful pathway.

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And sometimes when you get criticized, you may be over-target.

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The darker a culture gets, the colder a culture gets, the more you speak truth, the more you

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don't see controversy.

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So sometimes that doesn't mean necessarily I just made people mad.

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So therefore, I'm doing it right.

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No, no, no, it's you speak the truth.

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As you know that God has revealed to you and you're compelled to speak it.

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And then you see that someone's coming after you.

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So, well, that means that it struck an earth.

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And that can open up a conversation for what we're doing right now.

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So a lot of things that I've stated over the last couple of years and someone says, how

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do you believe that?

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I said, well, I've done a lot of research.

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I've just considered the evidence.

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I'm just speaking this right now because I believe it's for your edification.

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If you find better information, please share it with me and tell me where I'm wrong.

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Pretend I'm not telling you the truth.

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I said, no, I believe you're telling the truth.

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I said, no, just pretend that everything I'm saying is worth looking into and finding out.

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And I'll give you resources that I started with and you can start there and then just

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go somewhere else and find out what you need to do.

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But I think that's part of what we need to do for someone who's going to be called to

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the government sector.

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There's certain things that we've got to clarify and bring out and bring out to the open.

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So, you know, Scott, it's interesting, you know, we're talking all these lines and there's

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this popular saying in Christendom, you know, we always talk about you can't legislate

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morality, right?

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And so a lot of people fall back on that.

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And I think that some of that you can make cases for or against this, but I think sometimes

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you can use that as a crush to say, well, then I shouldn't get involved or I shouldn't

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do anything.

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And yet then we look at like some of the best things that have happened in the pro life

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movement was through legislation and ultimately through appointments of Supreme Court justices

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and the overturning of Roe v. Wade.

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And now all of a sudden we're trying to figure out, well, really, are we pro life?

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You know, it's it got it got really messy again.

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So what are your thoughts on this whole legislation of morality?

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Well, I'm Brian, so glad you brought that up because I've had to deal with that and

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I've wrestled with that.

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And I think early on in my conversion, I believe that.

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But then there was just always something stirring in me when I tried to wrestle with it.

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And we know the law was a guide.

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We know the law can also change hearts.

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And I'll point to an example, and this is a I read an article about two weeks ago.

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It was on the Christian post.

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It was a story of a young lady.

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She was in the Netherlands and she has been dealing with mental issues.

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And she's also had to deal with a small case of autism.

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And after several years of meeting with her counselor, counselor says, there's nothing

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else I can do.

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So the next step in this country was that, well, I think it's just I'm going to go ahead

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and euthanize myself.

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And she described the story as I just sit on my couch, the doctor comes, my boyfriend

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sitting next to me and they just say, have a good journey or have a nice nap.

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And then that's it.

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How did this come about?

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It was a controversial law when it was passed.

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But then everyone's just used their accepting of the law.

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And then they just adapt to the law.

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And then they look at that law now as an out.

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We can just have this as our fallback if our life's not turning out the way we want to.

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So I don't know, speaking of element of faith, what that, what how that plays into some of

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these people.

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But it was a great example, a sobering example of somebody who's saying, yes, we all disagree

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with this 20 years ago when this was being passed.

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But what's there now?

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So and now you start to see a culture shit, a culture not valuing life.

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So I said, yes, you got to see the change of the heart.

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But when you don't have laws that honor God, you're going to start to see people also,

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I mean, when, where there is no revelation, people cast off restraint.

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And so when you don't see those laws as a guide, these people also cast off restraint

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even inside the church as well.

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So so I believe you got to have both of those.

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But I think that's something that, like you said, Brian, that if we say that, what's the

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motivation behind saying that?

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Is that for us?

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And we just don't want to step into it, or we're going to allow ourselves to wrestle

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with that through and say, what's the intent and purpose behind that?

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So and find out where is that message coming from?

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So and there are a lot of narratives inside the church I'm finding out that did not come

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from scripture.

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But I do believe it came from the enemy.

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And I say, guys, we got to root these things out because some of the stuff comes from what

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we believe is wisdom, but it's fear based.

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And second Timothy one seven says that we are not given a spirit of fear.

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So where do they come from?

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So all right.

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So the everyday layman, maybe someone who does not have as much resources or feel that

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they don't have as many resources to make certain changes, what would a charge or some

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encouragement that you would have for that individual would it be just to vote locally?

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Obviously, we know those are extremely important.

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A lot would argue even more so than what we see with the presidential elections.

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What any encouragement for the everyday person saying, this sounds great.

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What do I do in my sphere of influence?

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I attended church.

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I have morals looking at things through a biblical worldview.

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Any encouragement for them?

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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And I would say most of the people I'm hanging out with may be as you describe early on.

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Because some of those are the ones that have the most energy.

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They have the most river.

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Yeah.

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They're not thinking about, okay, if I do this, I might lose this.

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If I do this, this client may walk away.

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And so they're just looking at saying, you know, I just know that this is true and I'm

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going to speak that.

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So I always start with everyone's got a circle of influence.

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Everyone's got people around them.

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And one of the things that I learned over the last two years, I've worked with a lot

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of candidates is that some people say, well, what difference can you make?

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And I say, well, if you start with that perspective that you think you've got to have a wide range

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of influence to counteract, you know, what may be a billionaire who is trying to undercut

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everything that we're doing and he can just spend money at will.

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And I'm thinking, you know, if you don't stop and you continue on what you're doing and

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you allow your voice to be heard, you speak on what's true, then you allow yourself to

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enter into some of these conversations, you never know what God will use.

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Sometimes God just says, open your mouth or just step into this conversation, just have

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this conversation and things can happen over time.

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But God does not despise small beginnings and allow ourselves to move in that direction

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and just say, you know what, I'm just going to be a good steward with the small things

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that he had entrusted to me.

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And then we know the imperable of the mentalist, how that can change too quickly.

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So my encouragement is I think most people have a lot more influence than they realize.

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And that's where you're always starting.

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If you're questioning about it, I said, always start with just studying and just get into

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that quiet place.

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Open the word, understand what it says, what God's speaking to you from this.

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And you may point you one direction or the other and go visit this person or go study

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more on this, go understand what's going on.

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I want you to understand what's happened to our people, what's happened to our food supply,

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what's happened to our medical industry, and then start to step in and have some of these

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conversations.

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Because the fact is that if we don't step into these conversations, it's not all sudden

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that everything's going to be corrected.

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It's going to take people who have a boldness and a courage, a couple with what's true and

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what's right to step into these areas.

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Absolutely.

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So, Scott, so you've been kind of focusing on pastors and what you've been doing here.

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I know there's an event here.

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We are all in Orlando's an event coming up.

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You're doing a luncheon for pastors.

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And how has that been going as far as getting pastors involved in this kind of thing?

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Very good.

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And I would say God moves in certain seasons and when you see an open window in ways that

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you can't explain, people are starting to show up.

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And this is so far we've got more than we expected, double the number of what we've

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expected.

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So, bringing in pastors and key influencers.

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But what's been amazing is that when people see what's going to be discussed and what

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this is about, so many people are saying, I want to be there.

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I want to be there.

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And so, and this is very unscientific, but my thought is there's probably three types

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of people there.

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There's some that are coming there with one eyebrow raised.

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Some are coming there saying, I want to do something.

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I just don't know what to do yet.

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And you've got some other people that are doing stuff, but they're saying, I just need

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to find out who the others that are out there.

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You know, in a time when Elijah was calling out King Ahab and Queen Jezebel, he thought

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he was all alone until God, I got 7,000, haven't been their knee.

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Go find those 7,000.

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And some people are looking for those 7,000 and saying that, you know, we are here together

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for this.

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So Saturday night, I hosted an event where it's a lot of candidates that were there.

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And before I spoke, before I prayed is that I said, guys, there's no agenda to this meeting.

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I just want you guys to get to know each other, to know that this is more than just you stepping

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in and then you just voting the right way.

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Here are battles after battle after battle after battle that we get wary from and to

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know that we have to allocate our energy and resources in certain ways.

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But when you think that, well, what's what's the likelihood of this succeeding and then

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you back off from it.

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But when you have people around you pushing you encouraging you and just stretching each

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other said, we're all on the same page here.

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We all came together.

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I didn't ask them what their affiliation was.

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We also just start talking and we realized we've all just had this common understanding

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that I believe has been revealed in this time.

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So to answer your question about pastors, I believe that there's a message and there's

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a stirring for those who are listening and paying attention.

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And I grew up here in the city and I'm seeing churches and pastors that I've never, don't

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know, never heard.

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And I'm so excited about this because these are new faces, new people.

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And I think coming out of this meeting could be a chance for people to realize that we've

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got a remnant of people that are willing to stand firm in this place and we're willing

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to lock arms with each other and say, for the children, for the next generation, do

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this for the nation, for the world.

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So I believe in that God has a purpose for this nation as he does for any other nation.

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So I think it's vitally important what you just said as far as like putting them all

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in a room and letting them know they're not alone.

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Like they must think I'm on an island here.

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You know, I feel like I'm saying things that other people in Orlando aren't doing or aren't

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saying and, you know, but yet I see the decline that has happened over the years.

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I mean, I grew up here.

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So I've seen it with my own eyes as well.

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So it's great to hear that you're putting them together.

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Yeah.

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And another thing that you mentioned that I thought was encouraging is just for the everyday

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person and their passion.

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And we see in Scripture all throughout the Bible that God is in the business of using

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the seemingly small things to glorify himself.

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When it seems like a people or an individual is counted out, whether it's Moses with a

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starter not having the confidence, God is in the business of using that not for that

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individual's glory, but to glorify himself.

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And along that same vein, it's vitally important for us to realize where our hope is found.

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So our hope isn't in who is going to be president or all of those things.

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While we should be in tune with it and be aware, ultimately our hope is found in Christ

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and God and we know how the story is going to end.

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So that gives us a level of freedom to be passionate and know that things can change

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and that we're not without hope.

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So yeah, those are just some thoughts I had as you were sharing this, Scott.

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And I wanted to switch gears a little bit as I was looking at your bio here and some

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about you being managing director of Finsec, very big into business, entrepreneurship.

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What are some ways that you incorporate your faith within that sphere?

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As you know here at Timothy Plan, we do biblically responsible investing.

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And as you know, things are so polarized and culturally, people are looking for opportunities

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like this to take a stand for what they believe in, if you would.

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But what are some of the ways you incorporate your faith and what you believe within your

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practice at Finsec or some of the business opportunities?

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Yeah, sure.

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Well, thanks for that question.

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It's working with insurance and what we do is we sell insurance and insurance and what

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we do is we sell insurance.

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And part of that is the strategy that goes with the life insurance product, selling to

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a lot of businesses.

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A lot of businesses, small business startups, family businesses.

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And there's a heavy incorporation of faith in all of that.

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And so starting a business is an act of faith.

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And so to do it apart from the scriptures, I don't know how they do it, but to jump in,

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you're stepping into scripture, you know, what God's speaking to.

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And you're carrying on the family tradition by passing the business on.

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So a lot of the strategies we use are teaching businesses how to keep the business inside

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the family, how to protect businesses once they get going.

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And it's really providing resources for whether it's a transition from one leader to another

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using insurance or whether it's one transition from one generation to the next generation

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allowing them to be able to retain their business.

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It just gives them this kind of a airtight understanding of how they can safeguard a

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lot of what's going on around them.

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So they may focus every day, 16 hours a day, longer than that, oftentimes, just working

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on their product, their craft, what they're trying to do.

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But oftentimes they're blindsided by a lot of other things that are going on.

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So it gives you a chance to say, yeah, I have a strategy, I have a product I can use to

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help you guys along the way in a way that you may not have considered before.

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Because product, insurance is the commodity as the product, but you work in a way that

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you put a strategy together that they may not even see before.

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Using trust and how to be able to use trust to pass on family businesses.

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But the faith part of it is certainly when people ask, you get closer to these people,

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and this is what's the great part about this is when they start having some conversations

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with their friends, what's going on.

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I've had several of them say, Scott, I know what you're involved with.

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And we got pile cash.

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Oh, wow.

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That's a good point.

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That's a great question.

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But why take very seriously?

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So I'll be prayerfully consider what are some ways.

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And I said, anything I recommend is not something I'm not already doing.

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So that's something I believe in.

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And I want to understand better what you guys, what your focus is, what's going on.

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Missions, ministry, care about the city, what is the stuff that you guys want to invest

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in?

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And it gives a chance to ask those conversations.

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So and I think I've already kind of come in knowing that, yes, I do want to understand

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insurance, but they'll look at me as this person that's already involved in some of

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these areas just because of growing up here.

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And it's just my reputation.

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So it opens it up for some of the other conversations they have.

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So and they feel comfortable talking about that.

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So and I said, guys, I love it.

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I always love the conversations.

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That's definitely something that I think a lot of Christians, not I will say a lot of

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Christians, but some Christians will try to check the faith at the door.

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You know, you have this, your compartmentalized things where this is my business.

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This is my church.

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This is my family.

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And none of this stuff crosses over.

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And yet, you know, as we've been discussing with politics and faith and everything else,

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it all crosses over.

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And if you're not careful, you'll end up siloing yourself into someplace where you don't treat

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it seriously.

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And then we end up in the mess that we're in.

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You know, it's like, how did we get here?

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What is this cultural decline that just happened?

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I have no idea.

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You know, going back to some of that, you know, I grew up here and I remember in the 90s,

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you know, we had, I was in an independent Baptist church, a small church, but we talked

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politics and Christianity.

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We talked voting.

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They didn't stand up there and say, you must vote this or you must do that.

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But we were well aware, I felt of like, you know, when I walked into my very first election,

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when I turned 18, I felt like I was at least well prepared that my church had said something

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about some things and my parents talked about it.

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And, you know, and here we are now.

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And it feels like we've taken this step of like separation of church and state, right?

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To the extreme, like where, you know, we've taken that, that statement and we say, well,

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we must separate everything.

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You want to talk about that a little bit too, because I think there's a big misunderstanding

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about this separation of church and state.

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Yeah.

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Well, separation of church and state, we know where that came from, letter Thomas Jefferson

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to the Danbury Baptist Association, Danbury, Connecticut.

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And it was a conversation there saying that as a government, are you guys going to dictate

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how we're going to live our lives in our church?

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And there was reason for that because you're talking about early 1700s, early 1800s, late

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1700s, early 1800s.

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What the precedent was between church and government at the time.

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So now we just take it and we say, no, we just want to make sure that there's a, there's

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a silo between the two.

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So and the fact is there's never been a silo and there never will be a silo.

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And the reason why I'm saying that is because 2020, as I mentioned, was a, I, it's time

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for me where I just, the scales fell off my eyes and I said, well, if the church is not

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going to influence the public policy and the government, the government's going to tell

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the church what to do.

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And so the same question that the Danbury Baptist Association had to Thomas Jefferson came

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from fruition by the same people that said separation church and state.

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I said, the same person who's saying that right now is the same church that just vowed

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to a government edict.

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You know, they gave up meeting together.

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I said, they looked at what they're going to mandate before you can sit in a pew.

459
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:28,640
Yeah.

460
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:29,640
They're going to sit here.

461
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:30,640
You're going to do this.

462
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,340
And I said, I fully understand health precautions, but I said, do you understand also what's

463
00:27:34,340 --> 00:27:35,520
happening right now?

464
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:40,720
You guys would not have done this without the government saying, yes, you can't do this.

465
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:41,800
Yes, you can't do this.

466
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,100
You cannot do this.

467
00:27:43,100 --> 00:27:47,240
It's better for a bar or for a club to stay open, a church to stay open.

468
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,320
So I mean, that alone itself is enough example for you to say, maybe there's something we

469
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:52,320
need to look into.

470
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,680
Maybe there's something else at play here.

471
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,720
You can't sing in church in some places.

472
00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:00,320
So fortunately, Florida, we had a different story, but even in Florida, we had sheriffs

473
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,800
that were shutting down churches and finding churches for being open, you know, meeting

474
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,680
inside church, I mean outside the parking lot, what are we going to do?

475
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:13,240
So the reason why I say there is, there's never been a silo.

476
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:19,720
There's never been that way because you can't artificially create something that's going

477
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,280
to say you guys are totally separated and you guys have no influence on each other.

478
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,480
I said, well, there's always going to be influence and you're either going to be pushed

479
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,560
in one direction or the other.

480
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:34,760
And it's better for us to say, listen, do we want to listen to a government?

481
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:40,760
That's not not not listening, not not resting on scripture, or do we want a church and a

482
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,200
pastor that's going to be resting on scripture to tell you the truth about what's going on

483
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:45,200
right now?

484
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:51,240
And 2020 was this interesting time because I saw so many people that are thinking, whereas

485
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:58,120
I'm discouraged, I'm depressed, I'm afraid, I'm angry.

486
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:02,120
Well, all of that, where can you go for that message?

487
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:03,960
So I'm all alone.

488
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,920
Well, you can return on church and watch TV.

489
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,320
I said, well, there's an element where you've got to be together with people.

490
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,680
That's what we're made that you can't change that either.

491
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,320
So giving up meeting together.

492
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:18,040
So yeah, so I believe, Brian, that it came before wishing a lot of ways in 2020 with

493
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:22,440
that belief because I said the irony of someone saying that, yes, well, we're just going to

494
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:23,920
just separation church and state.

495
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,080
And I said, you're working with the government right now to shut down your church.

496
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,320
So I said, there is no separation right there.

497
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:36,080
So reconsider what you're saying, understand what that means and understand that our call

498
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,800
to God is higher than the call to the government.

499
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:44,840
Understand that when the government does something, where it conflicts, when the law of man conflicts

500
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,440
with the law of God, we've got decisions to make.

501
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:53,320
And when we allow ourselves to step back far enough from the fray, we can find ourselves

502
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,360
making decisions that are going to compromise our faith.

503
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,440
And we're going to say, we'll get weaker and weaker.

504
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,480
But when you say, no, there's a clear conflict right here.

505
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,120
It's time for us to step in and have this conversation.

506
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:06,720
So and I've had this conversation a lot recently.

507
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,680
I said, do you believe when the law of man conflicts with the law of God that there's

508
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,800
a point where you got to step in there and say, I'm going to choose one over the other?

509
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,560
So by not choosing, you are choosing one or the other.

510
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:19,560
That's right.

511
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,960
When you have to choose and say, I'm going to choose God over government, then there

512
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,160
is going to be controversy coming from that.

513
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,680
So and it's in scripture is very clear that that will come.

514
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:30,680
Yeah.

515
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:38,200
I can see the challenges or how it could be hard just thinking about politicians in a

516
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:39,880
general sense.

517
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:44,720
They can be very deceiving or say they believe something when it's convenient and then flip

518
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,600
flop when it's not as convenient.

519
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,680
But that doesn't mean that we're not to do anything as you mentioned.

520
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:57,440
But some of the pushback that you get, whether it be from pastors or individuals, my assumption

521
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:04,960
Scott for for some would be, look, we are doing what we're called to in this church

522
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,320
preaching and teaching the word of God.

523
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:13,080
And the hope would be that the members of the church and those in attendance would take

524
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:19,640
that and apply those lenses to every aspect of their lives.

525
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:26,080
And family marriage, how they raise their children, they're going to apply that biblical

526
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,080
worldview.

527
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:33,200
So they may not feel as if necessarily they always have to harp on certain bills that

528
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,240
need to be passed or things like that.

529
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,920
That's just what I would think some pushback would be.

530
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:42,080
But what's some of the pushback that you've got to some have merit, some not?

531
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,080
What are your thoughts on that?

532
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:44,080
Yeah.

533
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:52,680
I think that first, it's understanding the influence we have separating that from getting

534
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:53,680
alone with scripture.

535
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,080
So I just kind of use an example.

536
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:02,280
I said, if you just took the Bible, regardless of translation, credible translation, and

537
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,480
you just got alone and you ignored all influences and you just read it from cover to cover,

538
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,520
cover to cover, cover to cover, cover to cover, would you come to the same conclusions

539
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,360
that you're coming to right now regardless of if it's with faith, family, whatever it

540
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,160
else is or government or anything like that?

541
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,640
Because you see it clearly, you see it throughout scripture where, you know, prophets speak

542
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:20,920
into government leaders.

543
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,720
You see Jesus talking to government leaders.

544
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,720
So there's a very core component government has a part in all this.

545
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:32,360
And so I think it's one is understand that there are some people who are set apart to

546
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:33,960
run for office.

547
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:39,120
And if they are set apart to run for office, what is our call for those that are saying,

548
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,040
yeah, I want to support you?

549
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,040
What should we be doing?

550
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,080
And the last question I'm asking myself, I'm asking others, I'm saying, we're sending

551
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:49,160
people to Tallahassee, D.C. and local government as well.

552
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:54,160
And I said, guys, understand now when they leave and they go, we know who they are right

553
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:55,160
now.

554
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,920
We're pretty sure who they are right now.

555
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,800
And Orlando, to kind of answer your first part of what you're saying was that sometimes

556
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,320
they may drift when they get there.

557
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:04,320
And we know that's true.

558
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,400
That drift is very real.

559
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,000
And so does that mean that person is a bad person?

560
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,400
Well, I'm not going to debate that.

561
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,240
But what I'm going to say is that how much of could we have been a part of that to keep

562
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:14,240
them from drifting?

563
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,840
And so that's what I'm doing right now when I talk about Saturday Night, bringing these

564
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:21,080
guys together in the same way bringing pastors together to keep them from drifting too.

565
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:25,880
So because the tendency is to go with the sway of the culture, the sway of where the

566
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,560
world is going right now.

567
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:32,560
So if we want to stand firm like Ephesians 6 against the torrent that's coming our way,

568
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,840
the only way to do that is being able to talk to others.

569
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,720
They're saying, yeah, you know what?

570
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:37,720
This is what I'm seeing right now.

571
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,000
This is what I'm understanding, this is what I'm hearing.

572
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,160
And how can I encourage you?

573
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,760
How can I push you along in your way?

574
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:51,280
So I'm working on just before I got on the call, one elected leader that's in DC representing

575
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,720
us, he's taken a lot of flak for some of the stance he's taken.

576
00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,520
And so I'm trying to get him connected to a ministry that's located just outside DC where

577
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:01,520
there's no agenda.

578
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:06,040
All they want to do is come, sir, pray and just be a place of refuge for some of these

579
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,040
leaders.

580
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:08,160
He needs that right now.

581
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:09,280
Let's get them that.

582
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,160
I don't want to lose another one.

583
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:16,040
So a good one that comes in there and finds that it's a lot easier to go along with this

584
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,600
opposed to saying, you know what?

585
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,200
That's the reason why you see things keep going the direction it's going.

586
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,680
And to start getting people that are going to come in there.

587
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,560
And to your point earlier, it's not a lot of people you take.

588
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,640
I mean, you know, I think God gave us the example of Gideon.

589
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,520
You know, when you see what happened with Gideon, he says, no, 3000 is too much.

590
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:34,960
We get down to 300.

591
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,080
So so you're seeing that even he thought he was totally unqualified for that.

592
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:47,560
So but to the other question, Orlando, about some of the some of the questions I get.

593
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,000
I think a big part of this is talking to ask each other.

594
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,600
I start having people bring me a concern.

595
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,680
They start making statements.

596
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,440
They may not be asking a question, but they're making a statement.

597
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,920
And I said, well, let's go back on that statement because I think you're you're assuming you

598
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,160
understand where I'm doing what I'm doing here, what my purpose is here and understanding

599
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:10,160
what's going on.

600
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,360
But I believe it's a lot deeper than you realize.

601
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,040
If we can have the conversation, I'd like to share that with you.

602
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,760
I had lunch with Friday was Saturday with somebody about this.

603
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,320
And he decided never heard explained this way.

604
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,000
So well, I think it's only because it's something that God can reveal.

605
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,640
So it's not something I would get from a textbook.

606
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,600
It's not something we get from the latest bestseller.

607
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,720
So but what I'm trying to help you guys understand is that there's a whole lot that we're missing

608
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:32,400
out on this right now.

609
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,920
And when I hear someone say, you know, church of politics, we just need focus in the kingdom

610
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,480
of God, and we just need focus on evangelism.

611
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,440
I said, yes, to all of those.

612
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,080
And we're all into that stuff.

613
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,200
So in fact, the church I go to is is is a heavy focus on evangelism.

614
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:53,400
I mean, they share numbers each week of 50, 70, 80,000 people that they evangelize around

615
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,960
the world because they're connected to the evangelistic ministry.

616
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,800
And so there's a big numbers there.

617
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,280
But we're also not afraid to step into dark areas because sometimes the darkest areas have

618
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,720
the greatest chance for, you know, God to show his grace, his mercy and the miracles

619
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:08,960
in that area.

620
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,880
So I like to make sure that if we're talking past each other, like I'll say something and

621
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,240
they'll say something that's totally different than what I'm saying.

622
00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:20,640
Or the traditional straw man argument where you're attacking what you think you're projecting

623
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:21,640
on me.

624
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,000
But let's get right away from the straw man arguments.

625
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,800
Let's get to I understand where you come from.

626
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,000
You understand where I'm coming from.

627
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,400
It's just the basic, you know, this is where we're coming to terms.

628
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,320
Let's reason together.

629
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,120
Please tell me this is my understanding what I'm seeing right now.

630
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,200
Please tell me where I'm wrong.

631
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:40,360
And that has not been, no one's been able to say, sorry, you're totally off.

632
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,280
I said, well, okay.

633
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,880
So if you see that what I'm saying is making sense and it's resonating, I'm not saying

634
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,560
you have to go walk out the door right now this lunch and go do something.

635
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,880
But I'm saying, would there be something that you could also participate in that you believe

636
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,760
that you want to do because I feel like you're kind of taken out.

637
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:02,960
If you use the kingdom of God argument, well, we know the kingdom of God is constantly expanding,

638
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:03,960
constantly expanding.

639
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,160
And I don't think kingdom of God is like draws a fence around governmental realm and said

640
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:09,640
we're not going to get into that area.

641
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:14,000
So so I believe we're all called to go into these certain spheres like someone goes to

642
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,840
business, someone's going to be a teacher, someone's going to go into politics.

643
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,800
What's our role when it comes to that?

644
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:25,920
You know, Scott, you mentioned, you know, leaders that get elected, they go into Tallahassee,

645
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,000
excuse me, they go up to DC or they go wherever.

646
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,240
And then it's like a sliding scale of morality.

647
00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:35,480
Things start to drift a little bit.

648
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:39,400
And I think we saw no, at least in my opinion, no greater example than that.

649
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:44,560
Then apparently many on the more conservative side of the ledger felt like they were behind

650
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,440
Roe v. Wade until it was overturned.

651
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,600
And then all of a sudden they're like, well, now we need to talk about a compromise in

652
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,960
this and that let's talk about a couple of weeks.

653
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,480
And it's like, okay, well, how many weeks are we talking about?

654
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,720
And, and, you know, how so it's okay in X amount of weeks that we're just going to

655
00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:00,720
terminate a life.

656
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:03,120
Okay, I thought we were pro life here.

657
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:08,480
So yeah, we've seen that that shift happen very dramatically when, when the, when the

658
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:09,720
landscape moves.

659
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:14,600
And so in changing a little bit, I wanted to ask you, see, we've talked a lot about

660
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,800
Orlando and central Florida and everything.

661
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,200
Is there a national focus that you're, that you're gearing towards at all in what you're

662
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,200
doing?

663
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,200
Yes and no.

664
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,160
My, my, I learned a lot.

665
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:34,400
I worked about 12 candidates in 2022 and they were all three levels, local, state, national.

666
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:40,720
And I realized the higher you go up, the stakes are higher, the more money's got to be involved

667
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:43,160
and the intensity increases.

668
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:47,040
And so you would think that, okay, I just got a smaller district for us Congress, I

669
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,200
can just go out there and just take care of that district.

670
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:53,800
And he realized how much stuff is already baked into the equation, how much stuff is

671
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,000
in there and who's pulling this and who's, who's undercutting you.

672
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,160
You think someone's on your side, but you realize that they're good at talking to you

673
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,480
in person, but they never return your phone calls.

674
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,960
In fact, I remind you, they just went with your opponent.

675
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,840
So I saw all of that going on.

676
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,960
And so you get down to local, more local level.

677
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,720
There is still the intensity of it very much so, but you don't see it like you do get the

678
00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:14,720
national level.

679
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:19,040
So what I took away from that is that I'm all for, I mean, I got a guy that I'm starting

680
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:24,080
to work with who's running for US Congress again this year and showing that he's, you

681
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,360
know, he's a colonel and he's showing, he's very serious.

682
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,080
He's run several businesses and he says, I don't need this, but I'm willing to step in

683
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:31,640
and put my money out there and do this.

684
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,880
And so I said, well, you got my attention, you got my support.

685
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:39,920
But as you get back to some of the local level stuff, I realized that if we take care

686
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:46,800
of what's in our backyard first and we take care of what's down the street, communities,

687
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:51,800
strong neighborhoods, then strong cities, then we can start to kind of build, you know,

688
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:57,800
what I would think is, is a, you know, a refuge and a fortress against the forces of darkness.

689
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And so you would say that, you know, for the children have a safe place to play a place

690
00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:06,120
where people can walk safely after dark, you know, those are some of the basic, basic,

691
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,600
basic stuff that's been lost.

692
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And I say, if you start focusing on some of those things, then you start to build this

693
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reputation and people start to see the reputation of someone handling small stuff, then they

694
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can start working on making these things much larger.

695
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:22,880
So, but I say that because that would be my primary focus, but I'm not neglecting anything

696
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:27,200
that may come my way that says, all right, we've got some guy now, you know, you know,

697
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,520
somebody who's got a lot of strength and someone's got the background and he's got the, the

698
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:32,520
stature to do it.

699
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:33,680
I said, well, let's talk about it.

700
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:34,680
Let's do that.

701
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:35,680
So, but absolutely.

702
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:36,680
Yeah.

703
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:37,680
I'm sorry.

704
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:43,520
These, I say these as we, as Alain mentioned early on, these local elections, I mean, people,

705
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:44,800
people don't vote for these.

706
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:49,000
It's like your vote counts three times because I mean, they are vitally important.

707
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,040
These are the people that affect your, your everyday life.

708
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:57,000
I mean, to the level of what you can and can't do in your own city, in your own home, much

709
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,360
more than just the presidency.

710
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,800
We all get wrapped up in the presidency and it's very important, but yes, local politics

711
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:02,800
are extremely important.

712
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:03,800
It's hard at first.

713
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:04,800
I get it.

714
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:10,160
I, I say, I had to make my transition to that when you see the glamour of the national politics,

715
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:11,160
yes, yes.

716
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:16,960
And then you may say, well, I'm concerned about some of these key issues, national issues.

717
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:17,960
I said, that's good.

718
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:18,960
That's good.

719
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:19,960
It affects all of us too.

720
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,960
So, but I said, you know, again, when someone says that I don't have the resources, I mean,

721
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:24,960
I have the influence.

722
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,920
I said, well, most people have some modicum of influence.

723
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,760
I would say they have more influence than they realize and you step in some areas and

724
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,000
you realize what you can do.

725
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,800
And sometimes you don't realize until you open your mouth.

726
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,240
Sometimes you don't realize when you start working with people, what you should get to

727
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:39,760
that and doing these things too.

728
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,520
So, so I'd say, you know, if you just work on safeguard, I mean, one thing I learned

729
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,960
through all this is that the power of sheriffs have in certain areas, you know, because they,

730
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,560
they should be the final authority.

731
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,200
A lot of the situations that are being dealt with when someone from the state or national

732
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,200
government comes into the area, but the original tent with a sheriff was supposed to be the

733
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,200
one where the buck stops with him or her in the certain area.

734
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,160
If we restore the purpose of the sheriffs in the area, you may not see some of the stuff

735
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:09,920
that enters into Orange County or Seminole County or Lake County or Osceola County, which

736
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,600
is just where we are right here.

737
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,960
So, but you have to see the power of a sheriff that knows how to stand firm in this.

738
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,960
You realize, oh, that's possible.

739
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:18,960
So, yeah.

740
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:19,960
Right.

741
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:25,520
Well, you mentioned Scott, as we wrap up here, I wanted to give you an opportunity to share

742
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:26,960
some of the other things you're working on.

743
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,280
I know that the past is event that you have this coming week.

744
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,560
Anything else that you have going on that you want to encourage others to look into

745
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,400
and maybe even attempt?

746
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:37,400
Sure.

747
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:41,680
As I mentioned earlier, how my church is getting involved with evangelism, but I've also been

748
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:47,040
working with them on a lot of projects of putting together events that educate and get

749
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,560
people involved with the governmental sphere.

750
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:54,800
So one event that we have coming up, but we haven't put a date down yet, but anyone who's

751
00:42:54,800 --> 00:43:00,320
interested, who likes audio or reading books, one that I have a high regard for is a guy

752
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,320
named Eric Metaxas.

753
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:09,680
And he's one that is ivy-lead educated, but he's one that I think just in recent time,

754
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,800
he's just gone deeper in his faith and you start to see a profound boldness coming out

755
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:14,800
of him.

756
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:19,080
He wrote a book called Letters to the American Church, and it was published a year ago.

757
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:23,280
And the short story on that is that he wrote the biography on Dietrich Bonhoeffer.

758
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:24,280
Yes.

759
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:29,360
In most people, I see most pastors have that on their shelf.

760
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,960
What he did after he wrote that was amazing.

761
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,080
He says that God spoke to him as he wrote the book.

762
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,280
He saw the church in Germany in 1930s.

763
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:42,200
How they so badly wanted to be accepted by culture and try to find a cultural norm that

764
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:46,440
made them more accepted because they thought that may make more people win them to Christ,

765
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:47,440
right?

766
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:48,440
If we just want to be more accepted.

767
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,080
And he says, I see that now in the 21st century church.

768
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,520
And he says that a lot of these people are good people.

769
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:59,040
A lot of them are nice people, and they mean well, and they're biblically based.

770
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,840
He says, some of those guys were the ones that tolerated what was going on in 1930s Germany

771
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:04,840
church.

772
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:09,200
Now they had a significant task at hand that could cost them their lives.

773
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:10,720
They had to make that decision.

774
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:12,400
He says, we are not quite there yet.

775
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:13,960
Maybe in some ways that, yes.

776
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:18,160
But he says, the price of free speech continues to go up the less we talk.

777
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,600
So and he talks about the letter to the American church.

778
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,480
He's got a follow up called religionless Christianity that just came out last month.

779
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:29,440
And both those books, he says, guys, I'm not writing this thing and I'm Paul, like letter

780
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:30,440
to the American church.

781
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,800
I'll letter to the, no, he says, I just know that this is the first time I wrote something

782
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:39,480
where I was, I was fear and trembling as I was putting words on a page, knowing that

783
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:40,920
I have to get this message out.

784
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,160
Now he's going to church to church and church and he's speaking to people in churches about,

785
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:48,120
you know, calling people to actually waking up and stuff and how you can do this.

786
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,280
But the letter to the American church is a book and it's also a documentary and my church

787
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,480
is going to screen that later this year.

788
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,160
But I recommend anybody who wants to kind of get an understanding of biblical understanding

789
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:01,280
of what's going on and see the context of where we are in time and like the suns in

790
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,480
is a car where understand the season and times that you're in.

791
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,680
It's a book that I recommend just 130 pages.

792
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:12,120
And it's one that I think will give you guys a big heads up on what's going on.

793
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:13,120
Absolutely.

794
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:14,120
Great.

795
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:19,320
And people find information on what you're doing or you in general, if they're like thinking,

796
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,360
I've heard this and I want to get involved.

797
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:22,360
Where can they go?

798
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,120
I think right now, because I'm pretty grassroots, just give them my email.

799
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,760
And that's really what it is.

800
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,200
I'm doing this as my non-J job.

801
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,840
And so, and I'm just here making network, but I'll be happy to get my email address

802
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:35,840
out to anybody.

803
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:43,400
It's just my name, Scotty Cahill at gmail.com, S-C-O-T-T-I-E-C-A-H-I-L-L at gmail.com.

804
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,720
And just if someone says, I heard you and I just want to know more about it, I'd be

805
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:51,200
happy to connect with anybody because I got more and more people saying I'm happy to help.

806
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,360
And I would say, listen, tell me what you're interested in, what God's telling you right

807
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:55,360
now.

808
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:56,360
Let's have a conversation.

809
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:00,040
Well, Scotty, you're a brave man putting that email out.

810
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,200
I know our listener base of thousands now.

811
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:07,720
We don't know, but that's incredible and that you'll respond to everybody.

812
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:13,360
So we thank you so much for what you're doing locally here in Orlando for the church.

813
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:19,400
For getting people engaged in politics and really just not neglecting that part and

814
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,280
checking things at the door.

815
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:22,480
It's just exciting to hear.

816
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,040
So we really appreciate you joining us today, Scot.

817
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:27,040
Yes.

818
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:28,040
You're welcome.

819
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:29,560
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