Taking Back the Nation Through Commerce with Krystal Parker; Episode 10 hosted by Brian & Orlando

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Iron sharpens iron. So by being around, people are all coming in with different experiences.

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There's church hurt, there's, you know, just relational hurt. There's people that think that

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they're Christians because they go on Sunday and that they don't pray, they don't do anything else.

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And so everybody has a different lens. But through the collaboration of the body of Christ,

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every joint supplies, when everybody comes together, and it talks about this in the Bible,

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there is a wonderful opportunity to help people. Rising tide lifts all boats. And so people that

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have figured it out are in these meetings and in this community. And people that are just figuring

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it out are coming in going, what do you mean Jesus is your CEO? What do you mean you're praying for

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a miracle for your business? What do you mean you're ministering to the workforce through

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Bible studies in your workplace? So everybody's coming in at different places. That's relationship

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capital. That's social capital. Invested with purpose, making the most out of your time,

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talent, and treasures. Pull up a seat and join us as we uncover powerful testimonies that are sure

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to move and inspire you. Meet Christians from all walks of life and hear their incredible stories

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that will both motivate and challenge the way you view the world. These men and women exemplify

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Christian values and biblical stewardship in areas of mission, finance, entertainment, sports, and more.

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My name is Orlando. I am Brian. And you're listening to Invested with Purpose, Making the

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Most Out of Our Time, Talent, and Treasure. Today we have a very special guest with us,

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Crystal Parker, the president of the U.S. Christian Chamber of Commerce. Crystal, welcome to the show.

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Thank you so much. Excited to be here with you today. Excited to have you. Before we get into

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anything, we'd love to hear a little bit about your story from what we've were able to find in

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research from high school valedictorian to college dropout to going back to college eventually.

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A very profound and encouraging story of triumph in your journey. If you wouldn't mind to give us

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a little backstory on how you came to be where you are today. Absolutely. Well, I love to tease

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about that. It was covaledictorian. Okay. That's a big deal because I had all of seven people in

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my class. And so, you know, in the top of seven people. Smart play the averages.

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My little town of 300, I think we had 30 in our high school total. But yeah, I was ready to get

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out of that little town and go set the world on fire. I get to college. I went to KU, Rock Chalk,

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Jay Hawks. And there was 30,000 students there. And so, I really tried to go to school and work

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and do it on my own and ended up dropping out with 21 hours left. And that was just such a hard pill

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to swallow to drive six and a half hours all the way across the state of Kansas back to that small

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town where everyone knows your name and everybody knew I was coming back before I even got back.

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And I think the hardest thing about that was my dad, he was in education his whole life. And he

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told me as a young girl, you're not as smart as your brother and sister. You're going to have to

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get lucky and get something. And you know, and the thing is, my dad was right, my brother and sister

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are super smart in education. I was really smart with people. And what I learned later in life is

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that 85% of job success comes from well developed people skills. And the studies will show that

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people skills are some of the best predictors of success in jobs. But at the time, my dad was

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looking at it educationally. And so coming back as a failure, that was really hard. And just kind of

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deciding how am I going to restart my life. And I'm glad that I got a chance to come out of there

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and do it the right way. Instead of doing it for the wrong reasons to set the world afire and to

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show people I did it because it was what I needed to do and what my calling was. And so I landed

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stocking shelves in a truck parts store as a temp employee for a subsidiary of an oil and gas company.

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And that's really where I got started in business and cut my teeth. And in 12 short years, I became

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the youngest executive running the gas company on the west side of Texas in 47 cities, negotiating

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rate cases, and then taking care of all of customer service for the state of Texas. And that was my

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first entry into the executive life. I think I was one of five women and 60 officers in this

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multi-billion dollar company. And it was just a really neat education. I ended up getting my

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undergrad in psychology. I went and got my master's in marketing and they sent me to Harvard Business

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School. And I got to cut my teeth. That was really how I cut my teeth in business. That's why I say

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business is my sport. I love business. I love the world of business. Absolutely. So where does the,

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ultimately we know hope is in God and the strength comes from God. In your journey,

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when specifically did that switch flip to say, wow, this is about people. This is about knowing

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people, communicating, hearing people's needs, serving people. Where does that come and that

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encouragement? Was there a specific moment or experience in the midst of that, that kind of

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drove you? How did that come about? It really was a challenge because I think for many years,

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it was trying to prove that I was successful and it was really about me. I knew about God. I had

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the 10 year perfect attendance award. Again, accolades, white picket fence, everything perfect.

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I've got the big house, the nice car and I knew God. And because I went to church for one hour

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on Sunday, I thought I was a Christian and I would tell people I'm a Christian and it really wasn't

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about helping people. It was really about helping Crystal be successful. I did not give God the

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glory for that success. I took it for me and it was really about my power, my success. Look what

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I've done and it was a badge of honor that I wore for all the wrong reasons. And I think that was

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part of God just grooming me and showing me. But I think what I learned in that whole process was

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that I know people looked at me and thought, if that's a Christian, if that's somebody that

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follows God, I don't want anything to do with it. There was no fruit around me and my life. And it

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was failure upon failure personally for the success professionally. And I used to worship work and now

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I work as worship. And that really triggered, that trigger flipped for me after leaving corporate,

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leaving my identity completely. I didn't even know who I was, honestly, divorced, a single mom,

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solo mom. And I remember looking down at my daughter, she was about four and a half or five

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at the time and telling her that I was leaving the company. And she looked at me, her eyes were

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filled with tears. She was emotional and she says, but if you're not Crystal Parker, vice president,

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who are you? The sad thing for me was at the time that didn't even strike me as odd because I was

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still trying to figure it out. I had amassed this personality based on my career because I had poured

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every single thing into it. And I really had no idea who I was or whose I was. And so it was part

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of that journey in life. I mean, I was good at building teams, but I was building teams of people

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with diverse personalities and skillset because I wanted to succeed. I wasn't doing it for them.

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And that really flipped for me once I really found out who I was, who I was created for,

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how God designed me and really had to do that deep hard work. I always tell people,

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people want to be discovered, but they rarely want to be developed the overnight success thing.

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Right. And I had to go do that hard work and start to really uncover why am I so focused on

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succeeding and putting all these accolades together? Well, it came back down to that comment

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that my dad made that I wasn't as smart and I felt like I had to prove so much. And so when I just

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released all of those titles, all those accolades and everything, and just really became a child of

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the risen King and knew that that was enough, that was my assignment, everything else fell into place

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very quickly. Amen. That's an incredible testimony to be honest. I mean, there's so much power in

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words, you know, and parents, both Orlando and I are parents. There's so much power in what you say

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to your children and how they can carry these things with us. I just thank you for sharing that.

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Wanted to talk with you a little bit about this Christian Chamber of Commerce. We had the privilege

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of sending someone from our office to the event that was just here in Orlando. She came back with

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just a rave review of all the people that she met, all the things that she heard about, the networking

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that was there, just a spirit-filled event and one that, you know, it's something that we want to look

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at attending in the future. But tell us a little bit about this Christian Chamber of Commerce from

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the U.S. level, because I know there are, like, I've been to a local meeting in Orlando for a

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Chamber of Commerce. I don't think that was part of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce or Christian Chamber

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of Commerce. So yeah, tell us a little bit about that and how that all works. Yeah, so we actually

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were, I guess, birthed out of Central Florida. So our headquarters is in Central Florida. We came

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from the success from the local community Christian Chamber in Central Florida, 20-year history there.

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And interesting enough, the organization was initially founded as the U.S. Christian Chamber

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of Commerce, and then they put it underground right here in Central Florida and started doing

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business as Central Florida Christian Chamber. So I came in about year 17, and I thought, what is

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this U.S. Christian Chamber of Commerce? I was in about two months after COVID. And so people were

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really willing and open to doing business in a different way. We got to see some of that virtual

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stuff come into play. People were starving for community, and we really just kind of changed the

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direction and started to put a structure in place for the Christian Chamber, a business structure,

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creating, I guess, all that stuff that God gave me early. We started to create that structurally

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here in Central Florida. And we found that there was just really wonderful things that happened as

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a result of Christian business owners and leaders coming together and having community, social

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capital, working together to collaborate, all the biblical stuff. You see iron sharpening iron,

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but from a lens of Christ and Holy Spirit for business. And when we started to see that

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successful model come into play, we started to get calls from other Christian chambers around,

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which I didn't even really know that there were any others that existed, asking for help in,

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how are you growing? What are you doing? People started joining from all over the U.S.

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And I knew that at some point God was preparing us to launch the U.S. Christian Chamber of Commerce.

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So after about three years participating with Central Florida as the president, we made that

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split. We bifurcated the companies, created its own entity in Central Florida, have two incredible

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co-presidents that came in to lead that. And off we launched with the U.S. Christian Chamber with

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the intention to help create Christian chambers all over the U.S. so that people have a local

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community to go to. And then also help business leaders that want national exposure for their

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business and they want to connect with the body of Christ all over the U.S. And then most

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importantly, we're advancing the kingdom of God through the marketplace. All the stuff I learned

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in corporate about worshiping work and thinking that was my identity is the things that we do

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is the things that we get to help business owners and people that are working out there understand

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that your job, your work, whatever profession it is, whether it's from plumbing to sitting in a

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boardroom, that is a vehicle to advance the kingdom of God through the marketplace. Because

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as believers, we have 840 times, there's a survey in the MAMA survey, we have 840 times more ability

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to impact the unchurched than a pastor on Sunday in a 30-minute service. So we're reaching the

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unchurched in an unprecedented amount of time and opportunity. And it's not because we're taking

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the Bible and showing people like hit people over the Bible, you know, we're not like those, that's

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there's no place for that. That really turns people off from God. But if we're working ethically and

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we're working with excellence, the city set on a hill cannot be hidden. We're not letting our light

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hide under a bowl. We're shining the light of Christ in everything we do. We're making kingdom

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decisions in the workplace. And that is what people are saying, what's different about you?

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How do I get that? Who's this God you're talking about? And that's how we'll spread the kingdom of

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God through the marketplace. Wow. So I guess on a more practical level, you talk about the

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differences personally with you were in a more corporate setting, and it was more for Crystal

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into transitioning, I'm sorry, transitioning into when you came to Christ realizing that

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your identity wasn't found all in your work, but in serving others and being encouraged by that. So

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my question is, people are people. And I'm sure the organizations and the different companies within

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the chambers may not all be Christian or explicitly Christian. So what are some of the practical

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ways or some of the practical things that you encourage those companies and organizations?

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You mentioned one is integrity and things like that. What are some of the other practical ways

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that a Christian in the secular world who may be serving somehow that's part of the chamber or

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looking toward it can honor God in that, in their sphere of influence? Well, I think there's a couple

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of different right answers here and probably some I won't even say, but I think one thing is

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iron sharpens iron. So by being around, people are all coming in with different experiences.

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There's church hurt, there's just relational hurt. There's people that think that they're

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Christians because they go on Sunday and they don't pray, they don't do anything else. And so

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everybody has a different lens. But through the collaboration of the body of Christ,

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every joint supplies, when everybody comes together and it talks about this in the Bible,

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there is a wonderful opportunity to help people. Rising tide lifts all boats. And so people that

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have figured it out are in these meetings and in this community and people that are just figuring

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it out are coming in going, what do you mean Jesus is your CEO? What do you mean you're praying for

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a miracle for your business? What do you mean you're ministering to the workforce through

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Bible studies in your workplace? So everybody's coming in at different places. That's relationship

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capital. That's social capital. And the way I look at relationship capital is probably one of the

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strongest currencies that you can have in your pocket. So being able to see this community

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coming together to support, help, to do business with one another. And it's an amazing thing that

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can happen when the body of Christ unites. The other part of it is something I learned early

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in this chamber world. I brought in a speaker. So we bring in education, Christian business education

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through a variety of forms, but everything we do has the lens of the Bible in doing business.

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I think the greatest book ever written on business is the Holy Living Bible. And when you apply those

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those values to your business, it's incredible what can happen. But a lot of times what we've

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been taught early is that the Bible is for church and that these business books are for helping you

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in your business. Well, what we do is we bring that together and we integrate that. So early in my

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presidency, I brought in a speaker, I know as a Christian, but the speaker came in and did an

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incredible talk, but said nothing about the Bible, nothing about the Holy Spirit. It was a good talk.

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And I had one of my members very courageously, and I really appreciate it to this day, came up to me

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and told me what I already knew. And she said to me, that was a great talk. I could have got it at

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any chamber. And I knew right then the conviction of the Holy Spirit that the responsibility of the

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leadership in these Christian chambers and at the U.S. Christian chamber is to always have that

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integration to show people how to take business and put the living word of God in there. And

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using examples that God's given us just throughout that whole Bible in how to do business a different

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way, the kingdom way. And so just by doing those couple of things really, I think help strengthen

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the community. And one more thing, all of the chambers that are in the Christian chamber coalition,

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including the U.S. Christian chamber, we require a statement of faith to be signed.

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I like that. Yeah. So we're not going to call your preacher up or anything like that, because again,

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there's a lot of people that maybe don't have a church home yet, but we're inspiring them to go,

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hey, maybe I need to get back into a church family and really getting them back into the church. But

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by signing that statement of faith, we're saying that I believe that the Bible is real, that Jesus

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Christ was born, he was crucified for my sins, and he rose again, and that the Holy Spirit lives

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inside of me. And by saying that, we're all least approaching things, at least on the same,

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on the same vein. We're still people, though. People are still people. We need a savior.

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Yeah, absolutely. That's really encouraging. And I so much appreciate that

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you're very clear. It seems like there's clear standards. It's not just a matter of, yeah,

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we say that we are a Christian chamber, but it's kind of just like everything else.

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I so appreciate that there's a clear standard there and the statement of faith and it's

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foundational, I'm sure it's cross-denominational there, to where all different Christians can

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come together and serve and honor God in their capacity.

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I was going to say there's some interesting parallels to what you just raised, Crystal, and

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what we see here at Timothy Plan, because you talk about the training that people have gotten and

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how the Scriptures are the authority, right? And then ultimately in our world, in the investing

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world, our CEO always says, where did you get your training on how to handle money? And many times

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it's a secular training. I learned how to save. I learned how to do this stuff. I invest because I

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want to retire. And you don't think about the spiritual impact of it all and how much the Bible

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says about money and how we are stewards and how there's a better way, a Christian way to handle

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your money and not just a secular worldly way. And there's something I wanted to ask you about.

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There's a stigma out there I think people have sometimes where they think, oh, there goes a guy

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that labels himself a Christian and he puts a fish on his bumper and he says, a Jesus is a fish,

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a Jesus bumper sticker somewhere and then he rips me off. There's that stigma out there, right?

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They're just using Jesus to virtue signal something. Do you help these businesses learn how

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to counteract that in some way? First of all, being part of the Christian chamber, a lot of these times

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business owners don't have accountability, right? They have their employees, they're making a lot

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of money, they may not have boards or people around them for accountability. So I really like

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the Christian chamber because I've received those calls that say, this person ripped me off or

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whatever and he says, or she says they are a member of the Christian chamber of commerce.

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Well, we've got to change the stigma. We've got to rebrand Christianity. Ford Taylor said that,

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I loved it. We've got to rebrand what it means to be Christian because there have been some bad actors

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out there that use that sort of wolf in sheep's clothing. Like I'm a Christian, but they don't

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have the heart of Christ. And when you can find the real deal out there, you find real kingdom

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people operating in the Holy Spirit, you cannot fake that. So once you learn to see what are real

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Christians in business, how does that work? And then that's also a wonderful thing about being a

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part of the community is we kind of bring people along the way. There's people in here that are

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Sunday Christians. That's what I call them. Cause I was one. They're Sunday Christians, but they're

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learning a different way. And how else are they going to learn by being around a community of

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believers? And I love what you guys do talking about money and really being intentional about that.

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That's something that's really foundational for the Christian chambers because how do we know

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who our Christian businesses out there? How do we find them? We have to start to be more

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intentional about how we spend our money, who we spend our money with, because what's happening is

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people are doing business with other companies and that money is going around about way being used

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as a weapon against everything we believe in our values, our families, our identities, our Jesus

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Christ, the foundation. So that we're, we're basically arming the enemy because of our lack

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of knowledge. And so what we really provide is a solution to help people know this, this is one

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that publicly declared that Jesus Christ is my Lord and savior. I don't care what denomination you

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come from. I really don't care what way you vote. I just want you to vote and I want you to declare

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Jesus as Lord. If we can get that far, then we can start to do business together and we can take

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back our nation. We can change the nation through commerce. And so I just love what you guys stand

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on and what you're doing because it's in such alignment with who we are and what we believe in

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too. You're hired. Absolutely. Yeah. So, so, so many parallels there with investing and investing

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with purpose and realizing that, um, like you said, a lot of people, a lot of times don't know the

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effect that their finances or their investment has on the world. They're just looking on the return

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on an investment. But at Timothy, we look at an investment as something more comprehensive.

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What is the return that it's going to have on the culture and society? All of those things matter.

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In looking at your story, I saw that there was a book that greatly impacted you and your life

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that you read, a John Maxwell book, I believe. Would you mind sharing a little bit about that and

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how working with John and how that book has helped you in your journey? You bet. So it's 21

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Irrefutable Laws of Leadership for those that haven't got it or are not familiar with John Maxwell.

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John Maxwell is one of the greatest, I think he'll go down as one of the greatest on leadership. I

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mean, he's incredible. His teaching, his wisdom, God's just really blessed him and he is a follower

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of Jesus Christ and very openly. And so I love that about him, but 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership,

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you know, as a, as a dropout and somebody that, you know, really didn't have a very good identity

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in herself and belief in myself. When I saw, when I got a hold of that book, it just started to

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really show me what it means to be a leader, you know, and it was, and it's, it's a journey,

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really. I mean, I always say that the teacher arrives when the student is ready. And so I could

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probably read that book several different times throughout my career and get different things,

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but that was really an incredible book. And John's been just an amazing, I actually became a Maxwell

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consultant because I just love John's work and I wanted to learn more and be a part of that community.

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So yeah, I think, you know, the biggest thing is making sure, you know, what you're taking in,

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where's the source of it, because that's so important, just like what we do with our dollars.

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It's also very important who speaks into your life. And, you know, people would say to me, well,

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I'm looking at a couple of different, working with some different companies for my business,

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and one of them is not Christian. And I just personally say, nobody sits at my table and

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speaks into my life because we're told to guard our hearts unless they have that same value set

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that I have, because it is so important. And Maxwell is one of them that's at the top of my list.

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Yeah, he's great. He's great. So you mentioned, we've talked about all these businesses that can

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be part of the chamber is, who should join? Who should be a part of the chamber?

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Who should join the chamber, the national or the US Christian Chamber of Commerce, or their local

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Christian Chamber of Commerce? What type of business? I mean, if I'm a plumber, if I'm a

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roofer, if I'm a real estate broker, is it anyone that's in any business?

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Yeah, absolutely. And we need all the businesses, again, every joint supplies.

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We're seeing at an accelerated rate, businesses, Christian businesses getting canceled, debanked,

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defunded. And when that happens, who do I go to? Who's my friendlies out there? Who can support me?

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Who's a good merchant services person? So we need all the businesses to come in. I always tell people,

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this isn't the Christian Chamber. This is the Christian Chamber. This is the US Christian

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Chamber of Commerce. This is the alternative to what's in the world. And frankly, it's the

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alternative that we all need to find. It's almost the arc, if you will, because of what's happening

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in this world. We are living in a post-Christian society, believe it or not. And on our watch,

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on our watch, we should be ashamed of ourselves. And listen, my mom always told me, when you go to

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babysit, you leave that house better than how you got there. Well, we've got to leave our nation

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better than when for our kids, because I heard you both say, your parents, and looking at what's

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happening in schools, looking at what's happening all around us with just this world that we're

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living in. And for those that are watching this later, we're in May of 2024, just so you know,

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SOS. And here's the thing, we've got to do something different. And so by joining the US

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Christian Chamber of Commerce, you're publicly declaring that I am a Christian in business,

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and I'm proud of it. And I want to be a part of a community of people that are saying, it's time

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for a change for our nation. And when we do that, that's how we see city transformation,

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because now there's intentionality about the dollars that are being spent, the education that

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we're hearing, the growth that is happening in our community. And what happens is we're seeing the

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transformation in cities. And that's why you want to join the local, because you want to have,

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a lot of times business leaders get so focused on their company and their business,

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they don't take a second to look around and go, oh, wow, what's happened to our city? What's

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happened to our nation? Well, I can tell you what's happened. You were too busy building

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bigger storehouses and focused on yourself, while the enemy is out there hitting base run

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after base run after base run. And for Taylor, who's the chairman of our board, he says, the

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enemy's playing check. We're playing checkers and the enemy's playing chess. And so it's time we

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wake up. It's time that we have a little bit more civic mindedness and not leave the country to

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drift because that's what's happened. We will not drift into becoming a better nation. We have to

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get up and take ownership of it. And when we do that and when we're intentional about who we're

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doing business with and we take back that mountain of economics, we can truly make a significant

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difference in our communities and our nation and our world. So goes the US. Absolutely. And I love

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what you mentioned about drifting. And it just makes me think of the Christian walk and Christian

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disciplines. We don't just drift into holiness, if you would, or being intentional about prayer and

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fasting, reading the word. It's not something that we just accidentally do. And that applies

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to everything, whether it's working out, business, that intentionality is so, so important. And my

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next question is in the same vein as far as what you mentioned in leadership. And from what you said

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here, it sounds like you have a vision that the Lord has given you for where you want to see

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businesses and Christian chambers. Tell us a little bit about the future and what the future

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holds, any upcoming initiatives for the Christian Chamber of Commerce and what some of your hopes

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are and how you hope to see it expand. Absolutely. So my vision is that our grandkids will say,

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how did the Christians used to do business before the Christian chambers? That it just

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be such a common staple for Christian businesses and communities. We've helped launch West Ohio

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Christian Chamber. And the reason that they reached out to us to have us help them create a Christian

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chamber is because he and his wife own a very, very successful thrift business. And they have

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a great philanthropic arm through there. And what happened is one day as a chamber member,

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he opens the platform and in the directory and he sees his business listed next to Adam and Eve's

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workshop. And he said, I can't do this. All of the meetings are around alcohol and gambling.

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And now he researched it and they did ribbon cutting and supported that and let's help them

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grow. And he says, what are we doing for Christian businesses? And that's why he started West Ohio

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Christian Chamber, the Northeast Florida Christian Chamber up in Jacksonville started because these

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guys were part of their Chamber of Commerce and their chamber started to support candidates.

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That do not have the values that we have and to help them get elected. And they said,

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we can't give our membership dollars to help with that. And so we're seeing these Christian

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chambers arise in communities around the U.S. and it's a refuge for Christian business. Christian

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and we sphere across all of the different spheres of influence or the mountains. We're in education,

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we're in government, policy, business, media. That's what you're seeing these Christian chambers as a

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tool to unite the body of Christ, no matter what sphere of influence you're in, so that we can

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have resources, that social capital and safety and refuge. Now, that's not to say that we don't do

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business in the world because we're called to go into the world to reach people for the kingdom.

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But we have to have a community to support us because we are not alone and the enemy

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would prefer to have us be alone, to be choppy water, to be separated. And that's what's happened.

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And so a uniting organization like a Christian Chamber of Commerce is a catalyst to unify the

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body of Christ. And there's so many amazing things that could come as a result of it. So

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visually, I'd love to see Christian chambers all over the US locally. I'd love to see the US

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Christian Chamber of Commerce have the influence that the US Chamber of Commerce has and have that

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backing so that when they're trying to inject people with COVID vaccines or they're trying to

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put a board of patients in healthcare, that we can say no and no for the Christian businesses.

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It's not going to start top down though. We've got to get Christian businesses from all over

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to come together to create a massive tsunami that is stopping the enemy right in their tracks to say,

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we are here to advocate for Christian business and Christians communities will be transformed as a

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result. That's fantastic. I mean, you're talking right up our alley here. I mean, this is incredible

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and Christians do need to come together and support each other. And we look at the other side and we

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think, how are they so successful? And it's because they work together and we all sit around and fight

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with each other half the time or who takes the credit and all this stuff. And we have ministries

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doing the same thing. And it's like, let's just all get behind each other and work together like this.

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That's right. That's right. It's common vision, common language, common technology.

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And the people, unfortunately, that are against the Christian values have figured it out. They

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have a common enemy and it's us. And we don't fight flesh and blood. I want you to know that

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we are about love. We truly are about the love of Christ. He showed us exactly how to do this.

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But, and I love it in first Corinthians three, and that was the whole premise of the conference

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that we just had. And what Paul is writing into Corinth, he's talking about, I can't even give

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you solid food because you guys are fighting about stuff. And he's really talking about unity,

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identity, know who you are in Christ, stand on the foundation of Jesus Christ. We build these

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companies on Jesus Christ. We've got to show them how to do that. Listen to the Holy Spirit,

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listen to the Holy Spirit, operate with the Holy Spirit, unify, come together in community.

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And lastly, be coworkers for the kingdom of God, go advance the kingdom in the marketplace.

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We can do that. We can make a difference. You sure can. So before we finish up here,

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we wanted to ask you about a book you recently authored called Kingdom Commerce.

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You tell us a little bit about that and how people can find this book and what it's all about.

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Yeah. So, wow, Kingdom Commerce, that is something that we really believe that's that intentionality

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on doing business with Christian business leaders and really making a difference in the

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marketplace. And so we came together with Higher Life Publishing, who's a Christian chamber member,

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and we decided to do a co-authored book that we have several authors, like 24 authors that have

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written personal stories of very successful business leaders about their experience in business.

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And it could be anything from learning to listen to the Holy Spirit around all of those five things

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that I mentioned, building your business on Christ, gosh, identity and the importance of

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your identity. So just all of those things come together in this book. And what I love about it

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is it's short encouraging stories from real life people in business. And you can find it at uschristianchamber.com.

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So if they go to uschristianchamber.com, you'll find Kingdom Commerce book and you can check it

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out there. And we're just getting ready to put it out in stores where books are sold. But we definitely

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would encourage you to pick that book up. Now, this same website is that where people can find

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you about or information about the US Christian Chamber or where can they find like if they have

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a local Christian Chamber they don't know about? Yep. So they would go to US Christian Chamber

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of Commerce and then you'll see directories on our website. And once you go to the directories,

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we have the Christian chambers that are in our coalition. Meaning, what does it mean to be in

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the coalition? It means that we require a statement of faith, that we are accountable to our members,

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that we have a directory for Christian chambers. So we have some small rules that we say for those

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coalition members. So any Christian Chamber that's part of the US Christian Chamber coalition will be

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listed in that directory and you can find them there. And I would say this, if you don't have a

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Christian Chamber in your community and it's something that you really want to see, you want

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to see that transformation in your city, reach out to me and you can find me at uschristianchamber.com.

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Just go to the contact us, it'll get to me. And let's talk about what would it look like to put

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a Christian Chamber in your city. We're not franchising this. This is really led by the

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spirit and it's led by people that are stepping up that are getting more civic minded and saying,

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now is time for a change and I want to be part of the leadership for that.

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Well, this is a very, very exciting interview with you. We really appreciate your time and it's just

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so great and encouraging to hear someone that hears God's calling and you go through things

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where it feels like everything's taken away from you and you rely upon God and look what it has

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brought you now to leading a US Christian Chamber of Commerce and helping to put these into the

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different states of the US all over the place. So we're just very appreciative for the work

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that you're doing, Crystal. And thank you so much for joining us. Thank you guys. And right back at

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you. I love the work you're doing too. So thanks. I'm honored. Invested With Purpose is brought to

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