"Breakthroughs & Positioning For A New Jesus Revolution: with Greg Gervais" S4 Ep6

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Welcome to Keep It 100 podcast with Sean and Christa Smith.

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Join us in this space where we take on real issues with real insight and real inspiration.

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This podcast is for those not looking for temporary relief to change circumstance but

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revelation to forever change lives.

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Welcome welcome everybody to another episode of Keep It 100 with us.

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Hey, it's us.

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It's your girl Christa.

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It's your boy Sean.

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This is so fired up to come at you for another episode.

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I'm particularly excited about this conversation because it's something that I love to look

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at in history and the word of God and that is moves of God outpouring and stirring of

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the Holy Spirit.

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This conversation we're going to have today is so vital to my makeup, to my calling and

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something that I've been in passion about for a while and I got re-impassioned you guys.

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We'll talk about this a little bit more that we went and saw the Jesus revolution film

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if you've not seen it go see it.

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It's so good.

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It will stir you.

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So we got a lot that we have going and speaking of things that we have going, we've got an

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announcement.

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We do.

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You know, as many of you know, we had momentum conference in January and friends, we shared

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this in a previous podcast and many of you were actually there in person.

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We'd really witnessed move of God, getting birth in the Bay Area and we felt like it

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was a portion that God wanted to release in January, but it wasn't to stop in January.

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It was to continue on and after we saw what God did in January, Sean and I and our team,

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we've just been seeking the Lord and we're like, God, what next?

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Like what do you, what do you want to do?

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We kept feeling like the Lord said, have momentum nights, just nights where the hungry come,

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the wild ones come and we just go after the things of God.

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The only agenda is Jesus.

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And so we're doing our very first one in Oakland, California, which is so prophetic.

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There's such crazy God revival wells of, you know, in Oakland, California, which is so

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cool.

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And so we're really want to invite everyone.

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This is a free event.

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It's March 17th, Friday, 7pm.

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It's a Sequoia community church.

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It's on social media.

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It's on our website.

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Check it out.

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And we just really want to encourage everyone to come and be a part of it because we really

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are calling the hungry.

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We're calling the remnant.

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We're saying, come on, those that are really continuing for a move of God come.

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Yes.

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It's going to be so powerful.

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And those of you who need to know the address, it is 42 92 Keller Avenue, Oakland, California.

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Sequoia, it's going to be seven o'clock that night.

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St. Patrick's Day, which is the irony.

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We're having it in a building that came out of a movement years ago with Smith Wigglesworth

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on a night that a saint that we remember is a saint that literally transformed a nation

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from druid worship to fear God.

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That would be St. Patrick who actually is from England, but that transformation took

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place in Ireland.

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So you do not want to miss is going to be super awesome.

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So we're going to jump right in this and I think of the Jesus revolution movie.

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I think it has particular significance to us and you just had a thought on that Chris.

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I want you to share that.

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Well, you know, I think it's so significant because the Jesus revolution, obviously the

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movie, but let's talk, I'm going to call it the Jesus people movement because that's

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actually kind of how I grew up hearing about it.

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And it started in San Francisco.

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It has incredible roots.

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And so it being it starting in the Bay Area, although the movie itself is focused on the

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Southern California impact of it.

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It actually originated and started in San Francisco in the Bay.

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And I feel like it's a reminder for us in the Bay Area for us in California, that California

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is a place where moves of God have often began that it impacted the entire nation.

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And I feel like we're once again in a moment in history where God is saying, I haven't forgotten

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California and I really feel God's call over there are state and I really feel it's time.

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The remnant is arising, which it's absolutely happening.

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I know there's presently a move of God already even happening in Pasadena with some of our

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friends that are really hosting that even right now.

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We're continuing for the Bay Area.

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There's moves of God happening in Orange County.

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We're seeing God move all of you, right?

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And so we're in this really unique time where I feel like historically we're digging up

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old wells.

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You know, it's funny.

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We had Patricia King on our last podcast, Boo, and she had reports at least 25 different

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stirrings, outpourings, extended worship, prayer services, places of repentance that

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are being ignited literally all across just the United States.

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She wasn't even referring to every place from like the Kenai Peninsula in Alaska to the

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East Coast.

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It's just amazing that you have these kinds of movements.

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And to your point, Lonnie Frisbee, who's one of the guys featured in the movie is one of

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the catalyst Jesus people movement.

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It kind of took off because he was coming down from San Francisco.

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But the story many people don't know is that Lonnie had an encounter with Jesus out in

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the canyon.

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He was doing drugs as well, but he came up to San Francisco and he was found by some

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people that brought him in Ted and Liz Wise, who were the original corner quote, Jesus

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Freaks, hate and ash puree that you were referring to.

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They mentored and discipled him and he all of a sudden began to grow in his understanding

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of the word, how to share his testimony, how to be prophetic.

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And it was there that he carried what impacted him in San Francisco, the Jesus people movement

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down to LA.

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And so I feel like in a very similar way, and we talk about movement, I just want to

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take a minute, Christa, define movement.

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There really aren't any simple formulas or definitions of movements because if you read

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scripture, you're not going to get a one sentence definition of movement from the lips of Jesus

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or the apostles in the book of Acts or anything.

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But here is kind of a definition, working definition for us from movement.

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A movement is basically a modern term that describes large numbers of people catching

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on to an idea, activity, or in this instance, the spirit of God.

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And that's really what the Jesus people movement was.

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You know, I love that.

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I think, you know, I always feel like you're the historian of revivals.

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Like you've read so many, literally when you, how many books did you read when you're writing?

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I am your sign.

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Probably probably about a hundred different books on revival.

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Yeah, I just feel like you're kind of this walking historian.

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So I think it'd be cool for people because I've asked you a ton of questions and I think

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it'd be cool to let people be privy to the conversations you and I've had.

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But really, where was America at that time and how does that connect with today's society?

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You know, and you see the Jesus revolution, it was a counterculture Christian youth movement,

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it emerged in the United States during the late sixties and early seventies.

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And part of it, there was an upheaval amongst generations that the younger generations,

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that they, many of them, the extreme, they call them hippies, many of them who we would

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kind of know today were boomers, kind of rebelled against the straight lace conservatism of

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the builders at that time.

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So it was a time of protest.

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It was a time of uncertainty, Vietnam war, rebellion against society norms, assassination

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of JFK, the assassination of MLK.

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And during this era as a result of this disillusionment, all these young people start experimenting,

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many, not all, with psychedelic drugs because they were trying to expand their consciousness

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and they were experimenting with Eastern mysticism, occultic religions.

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And basically what they were doing, really to put it in a nutshell, is that we're rebelling

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against the ideological norms of a society around them because they felt like society,

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something didn't connect with them.

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And even institutionalized religion.

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And so they sought various methods of protest.

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Some of it was holding up a sign, but some of it was what they were doing to their body.

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But also many of these were searching for truth.

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And as they were searching for truth, God honored that even some of these people, they

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were on drugs.

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And so although it was a time marked by sex, drugs, rock and roll, Eastern religion and

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rebellion, during the summer of love, San Francisco, 1967, many would say typically was that year,

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the year after that this experimentation with drugs, and this comes out in the Jesus revolution

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movie, experimentation with drug sex, Eastern miss all of it.

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It kind of came home to roots.

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Like what initially was fun, hanging out, getting high, laughing with your friends, you started

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seeing a rise in suicide.

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You started seeing people that were like straight up addicts.

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You started seeing a crime rise.

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So they had like a hundred thousand people convene in just the summer from out of the

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out of state, out of the area to the summer of love.

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And so all these people came, but when they, they left, it was like a bad party the next

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morning after.

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And I think it was kind of a wake up moment for a lot of people.

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And so in the midst of that, I think that backdrop of dissatisfaction, disconnection, and that

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aspect of a hunger for truth, God honored that and met these hippies.

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And when they got saved, oh my goodness.

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And you could tell even from the movie, and one of the things that I love is that as it

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went down to Los Angeles, you would see them being baptized by the hundreds, even thousands

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in the Pacific Ocean, that particular Cove there that they focused in on that you saw

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Chuck Smith, that you saw, you know, Lonnie Frisbee there, but they were being impacted.

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So it was a really a revolutionary time.

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But the interesting thing, boo, is I feel like it really connects to the time that we're

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in right now.

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I agree.

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And you said a really key statement.

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You and I were talking about this, even just having this conversation leading to this podcast,

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you know, just really acknowledging just everyone's desire for truth.

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At the end of the day, everyone wants truth.

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And I feel like this current generation is exactly the same.

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And we're finding a generation that's like, don't give me the fluff.

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I don't need a shiny package.

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Jesus actually just want authentic raw Jesus.

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I actually just want an authentic encounter with the Lord.

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And I think when we have raised a generation, specifically a generation with only almost

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a Disneyland version of church is like all the lights and all the stuff.

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And you know, is that wrong?

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No, but when that replaces the anointing, yeah, it is wrong, right?

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When actually the shiny, the fog machines, all the stuff, the lights, all the glam and

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the glitz actually outshine the anointing and the power and the presence of Jesus, we've

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done a massive disservice to a generation that's actually just wanting to encounter Jesus.

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And so I think what's actually really profound about when you kind of compare on a parallel

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level, the sixties generation to now, I think really the essence and the pilgrimage that

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so many Gen Zers are in right now is very similar to what the boomers were in in their

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in their twenties and teens.

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And that is, I just want real truth.

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So if it's Jesus cool, it's like, but we just actually want truth.

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So I feel like it really challenges the church to strip back and actually just present the

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gospel and Jesus and that's enough.

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I love that.

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I love that.

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I believe Asbury was a prophetic invitation and I believe the Jesus revolution, obviously

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the movie, I believe that was a prophetic declaration.

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And I believe that there are moments when specific prophetic events need to be unleashed

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to catalyze a new movement.

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And I feel like right now God is highlighting the Jesus people movement as a testimony of

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what he wants to release.

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And I love, there's something that Dr. Michael Brown said, and I believe it is something I

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just want to stop and just hit upon.

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He said, we cannot afford to miss this sacred moment given the state of the nation and the

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desperate need for a massive spiritual awakening amongst America's young people.

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And I couldn't agree more.

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We can't afford to miss this sacred moment.

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It's so important that we jump in on it.

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And I love what you said that we bring this raw Jesus to a generation and they have been

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around the glitz.

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They've been around the hype of stuff, of people overselling stuff.

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And this generation's turned off by that.

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And you know, even from the movie, I think that there are some things that I began to

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realize I think is so important.

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And it's like the Jesus people movement began in a most unlikely place.

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You wouldn't have thought that this movement that would affect two million people that

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would make the cover of a magazine and have literally close to 100,000 plus folks fill

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a stadium and explode 1972.

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And it began in hate and Ashbury in the counterculture.

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It's interesting.

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And again, I'm part of a local church.

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I love the local church.

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Jesus died for a church, but it's interesting.

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The movement didn't begin in a church.

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Right.

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It began outside a church.

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Yeah.

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And I think, I think that's really key because, you know, I'm, my intention is not to be controversial,

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but it's like, I do think I have to address this because I think, you know, we're keeping

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at 100.

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You know, Asbury, you know, is this powerful example of kids that just came together for

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a scheduled chapel and then God moved, right?

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And they just stayed in the presence.

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It was unplanned.

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It was inconvenient.

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They didn't even know it was going to happen.

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And all of a sudden, thousands of people find their selves coming to, is it Wilmore, Kentucky?

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To just get a taste, to get in the present.

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And I looked at the videos of people that were posting on social media or whatnot, and

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I'm watching so many of the boomers come and, and, and I'm watching this just going, oh my

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gosh, this is like literally almost a flashback for them.

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I'm sure because it probably felt like that same thing that I heard about a move and,

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and I've got to show up in many of them, you know, we've seen the Jesus revolution movie.

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And this is historically accurate that people start coming from all over the nation to be

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baptized in the beaches of Southern California specifically.

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just begin to show up because they wanted to be a part of it because they felt the authentic

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wooing of the Lord.

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Now here's the controversial part.

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You know, Asbury made the decision as a university to, to not have public meetings anymore, but

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rather made the decision to have it go to other buildings, you know, and that, and, and I've

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really wrestled with that internally.

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And here's where I've kind of landed.

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I've thought, you know what, Christa, you don't know their conversation with the Lord.

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You don't know if that's exactly what the Lord told them to do.

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Now on the outside looking in, I'm like, man, I mean, just, is there an, or what, isn't

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there a way to die bread this, you know, and just like some way somehow continue to host

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this?

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Because I feel like it's, it, it, Asbury is a picture of an invitation that we've been

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crying out for a move of God and then he comes and then we're like, Oh, but it's not quite

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working for us.

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And I just feel like if you're actually going to have the guts to ask for a move of God,

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then you better be willing to be inconvenienced because if God's going to show up, don't grieve

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him by shutting it down.

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Now I'm not saying Asbury shut it down because here, honestly, here's the truth.

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I genuinely don't know what God told the leaders and I know they're people of prayer.

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I know they saw God.

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So they literally might be absolutely following the direction of the Lord.

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I genuinely don't know, but I do know that I, I've just been crying out, which I think

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so many of people listening to keep it 100 tribe are just saying, Jesus do it in my city.

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And so I guess my question to everyone is, you know, what's your part?

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We're like, what's your part?

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Because you can, you can hear about Jesus people movement.

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You can watch the Jesus revolution movie.

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You can, you can hear about revival history, but friends, we're in a moment where God's

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like, but what's your response?

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And then, and then if you do show up, are you actually willing to steward this thing?

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Are you actually willing to get out of the way and host this thing?

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Are you willing to like pay the price and be inconvenienced and shut other stuff down

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to host his presence?

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And I feel like the invitation is there for our nation again to have a new Jesus people

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movement, but it's going to look really different.

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And I feel like, you know, the boomers still have a part in this and those, you know, those

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are my parents.

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My parents are in their later seventies.

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They got married in 67, the summer of love when all this went down.

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And I look at my parents and they're still on fire for God.

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They're still praying for, for a revival and their friends are still on fire for God and

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praying for revival.

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And I just want to tell the boomers for those boomers that listen to the keep it 100 podcast

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or maybe your parents are in the boomer generation.

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I just want to prophesy over them that you have a part in this next move of God.

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You have a role to play and where the Jesus people movement was actually a movement of

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orphans and it lacked mothers and fathers.

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I believe the boomer generation can mother and father where they weren't mother and fathered.

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They're actually going to mother and father this next move of God because there's an invitation

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for a multi-generational move of God that's happening in the nation right now.

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That is so profound.

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I just want to go back to something you said a lot earlier, just about we need to be open

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to the work of the Holy Spirit.

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You know, many people can point with frowning fingers and understandably that a lot of the

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hippies there, they were expressing this desire to touch and open and encounter the spirit

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around through drugs.

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But really the drugs for them was a counterfeit Holy Spirit that wants many of them experienced

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because they said Jesus people movement, although it affected all different branches of Christianity,

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many of the historians are right of it, really talk about the charismatic nature of it, words

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of knowledge, prophecy, healing.

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They were open to the work of the Holy Spirit.

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And I feel like just as those hippies had turned to drugs, Eastern religions instead

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of the church is because they didn't see the power and the freedom of the Holy Spirit,

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some of them at that time in the church.

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And I think it's going to be so important for us to be open to the work of the Holy

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Spirit.

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There was a point in the movie and different people will hit it from different angles.

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And I'm just going to state my case because we're talking about the movie, but there was

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a point where Lonnie Frisbee began to move in the power of the Holy Spirit, words of

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knowledge.

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And at that time it was in the movie referred to as the atrix and I feel like honestly,

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this generation, they're hungry for that level of encounter that it's not human fleshly

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the atrix, it's Holy Ghost manifestation.

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It's interesting.

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They say Gen Z is the loneliest generation.

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They say that they are statistically, they say the most depressed, despondent.

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They say even after the lockdowns, of course, of 2020, they say incidents of self-harm amongst

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13 to 18 year olds rose 99.8% overdoses rose 119%.

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They said generalized anxiety rose, rose 94% and major depressive disorders rose 84%.

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So what am I saying and all that?

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I'm saying Gen Z needs an encounter and we need to allow the Holy Spirit to fall upon

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a generation.

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And as it happens, because one of the things that made me cry was some of the old religious

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responses when the hippies began to come in, they didn't have shoes, they didn't have

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all the stuff you thought you should have had, but some people were so locked into the

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way they had did it in the past.

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They weren't open to the new thing that the spirit of God was doing.

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But I love that one scene.

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I don't know that it actually happened or not, but I think it made a statement with

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the one older gentleman that you thought was going to get up and leave out of the church

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angry like the earlier man and his wife did.

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But instead he goes on the other side, puts his arm around the hippies and it just was

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kind of one of them turning points.

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I think that's so important to understand that we got to be open and not box God or

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his Holy Spirit in.

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I love that.

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And you're right.

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That was probably one of my favorite parts of the whole movie because it just did.

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It made me cry because I feel like that's Jesus.

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Jesus goes and sits with the people that look and sound different and he shows the love

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of God and Jesus's love, it's what transforms.

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It's what makes people go, I'm home.

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Love brings you home.

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Love transforms you.

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Love sets you free.

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Love will keep you for a little bit, but love will actually transform you.

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And it's like, there is a beauty that the Jesus people carried that really came from

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the hippie movement and that is it was a culture of love, but they encountered the love of

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Jesus and that's what's transformed them.

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Because they were always experiencing a counterfeit version.

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like my spirit was like jumping.

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I'm like, yes, that's it.

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It's like you just gave the stats of Gen Z and they're just so desperate to feel something.

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They're feeling anxiety, they're feeling fear, they're feeling depression, they're feeling

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all this stuff, but they're not feeling God, right?

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They're not feeling the love of Jesus.

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They're not feeling the joy of the Lord, the transforming power of God.

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We have a responsibility to let them actually feel what they were created to feel and that

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is the love of Jesus.

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That is the inheritance of the promise of the cross.

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And I think we have a generation that is a feeling generation and that makes some people

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uncomfortable because they're religious people like, but you need to get them in the word.

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If we're getting them rooted and anchored in word and truth, absolutely.

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Like I'm not negating or pulling away from the importance of discipleship through the

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word of God, but we got to first and foremost get them to experience God in a generation

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that so wants to experience that really, I just want to encourage if there's churches

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that are even happened to be listening to this podcast or leaders that have been hesitant

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to let the gifts of the Holy Spirit flow.

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If you want the heart of a generation, you have to allow them to experience the power

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and the personality of the Holy Spirit.

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I think this is what's so important is them experiencing when they've experienced so many

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other things to actually allow them to experience the emotions and the heart, the joy and the

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feelings of the Lord.

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And I think that when you try to remove the gifts from the feast that's laid before a

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generation, you're actually robbing them from actually what's going to keep them.

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The word is powerful, but when you experience the word, game changer.

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No question.

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And that's what you're saying right now too, the latest Barna study, George Barna does

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a lot of sociological polls and studies.

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The latest Barna study is calling Gen Z the open generation because his studies have revealed

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a majority of Gen Z see Jesus in a powerful light and what they want to see is the authentic

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expression of that in people's lives.

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And speaking of that, I think that's so important because right now we want to segue to our

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interview and on our, our, this podcast, we have Greg Gervais, he is director of rig USA.

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He and his wife are church planners.

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They've seen revivals among youth.

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They have impacted a lot of the Southwestern space of the United States of America.

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He's radical.

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So jump with me right now into this amazing interview.

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Hey, everybody, keep it 100 try.

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Get ready, get ready.

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We have an amazing man of God.

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He is the president and a director of rig nation USA works with a friend of ours that

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we've had on the podcast before.

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Uh, tell me, Ariyomi, his wife, that would be Greg's wife, Sharon.

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They are an apostolic power couple, church planners, itinerant speakers and, uh, just

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heart for revival.

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Greg, great to have you on the podcast, bro.

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What's going on?

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Awesome.

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Thanks for having me.

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Sean, it's just been, uh, really amazing to see what God's doing through you guys as

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well as what he seems to be doing all over the world.

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Absolutely.

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Now, hey, normally I'd be talking to you.

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You'd be in Houston.

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You're on the East coast, man.

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Tell us about that.

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What, what's brought you to the East coast?

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Yeah, I just, uh, you know, I was in Canada doing a, uh, meeting there and the Lord specifically

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told me New York is ready.

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And so I just was with obedience saying, okay, New York's ready.

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And ever since then, God's been speaking to me and giving me such a heart for New York

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city, which is completely out of my paradigm.

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I've never been in New York.

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So I flew here a few times since then to pray to really get some things on.

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And this is the last week before our revival services next week.

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I was just here, uh, solidifying some details, but yeah, yeah.

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So we're, we're throwing off some revival services.

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I love that man.

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And you did a series of posts that in my head is the word of the Lord.

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I mean, enough for me to stop everything, hold the phone.

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Let me get my buddy Greg on the Keep Your 100 and talk about this.

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So let's back up a minute.

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Give us your origin story.

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We love to ask people their origin story.

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How did God first make himself real to you, Greg?

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Yeah, I was just, uh, you know, I grew up in my family.

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They went to church, non-religious, but just would go to church and I pretty much, uh,

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messed around with my life until I was about 20, even though I didn't, I'd go to church.

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I wouldn't know Jesus.

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And then, uh, you know, I was trying to, this is going to be shameful, but I was trying

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to hook up with a girl who was Catholic and she was, she was going, she was getting on

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fire and I said, well, I'll do this too.

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And so she was going to this Benny Hinn meeting down in Boise, Idaho, and it was a 16 hour

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drive.

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So I'm like, oh, this is going to be great.

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I can get me a relationship and some Jesus, you know?

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And so she backed out last minute, but nonetheless, I went down to this Benny Hinn meeting and

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the Lord just began to really awaken my sense to say, you know, I've got you here for a

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reason.

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I want to change your life.

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And so I told my parents, I'm going to come back a different person and I don't talk like

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that.

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Nonetheless, fast forward.

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He ends up calling me up on stage, blasts me with the power of the Holy spirit a few

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times and I'm stuck there laying on the ground.

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Things are flashing through my eyes like it says in Joel two, where just dreams and visions

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are scaring me in a powerful way.

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I get up and completely changed.

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I start worshiping the Lord three hours, four hours a day, reading the Bible, same amount

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of time preaching the gospel, healing the sick, casting out devils, trying to find possessed

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people like stomping the grounds in Canada.

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And so just from there really developed a heart after Jesus went to Bible college on

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accident and then met my wife, moved down to the U S and we planted a church and just

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broke out with some healings and miracles and stuff.

460
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,160
And then here we are.

461
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:02,080
We found Apostle O'Reime and we're, we moved to Houston.

462
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,440
That is awesome.

463
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:09,480
Now that moment, like you were brought up and so you were acquainted with Christian principles,

464
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,040
Christian ideas, concepts and what have you.

465
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,760
But what was it about that moment you're on that platform?

466
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,600
I just want to back up to submit it.

467
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,280
What was it about that moment on the platform or all of a sudden?

468
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:20,880
Cause you, you turned around, bro.

469
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:21,880
You went gangbusters.

470
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:27,240
It was like nitro met glycerin and you exploded and a Canadian.

471
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:32,320
I've been to Canada a lot of times and Canadians can be a little more subdued.

472
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,520
Bro, you, you went like Jesus people move in 1972.

473
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:37,520
Right.

474
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:42,920
And so what happened in that moment that unlocked, unleashed or broke through to that kind of

475
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:48,120
primeval pure stream of anointing in your heart?

476
00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:53,760
The only thing I could say that it was a tipping place because although I was still trying

477
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:59,840
to get relationship, I was at a place of desperation and I remember going down to this thing.

478
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:04,440
There's 20,000 people and I was, because God had spoken to me, something was going to happen.

479
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,440
I thought he was going to call me on stage by pointing me out by a prophecy or something.

480
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,880
I'd gone to spirit filled churches or whatever.

481
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:15,960
And so the whole time he was just preaching and ministering to people and I was getting

482
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:20,480
not missed out, but I was like, you know, Oh God, why, why can't you see me?

483
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,320
And the whole three days nothing was happening.

484
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,280
And I was screaming desperate.

485
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:29,560
And so I remember I was 20, almost 21 and he, he gave an altar call and he said, if

486
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:34,280
you're a young person up to the age of 19, I want you to come to the front.

487
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,440
And I was, I said, you know what, I don't care.

488
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:37,600
I'm breaking the rules.

489
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,240
I'm getting my Jesus.

490
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:44,560
And there is honestly this place of desperation I've never had in my life that kind of had

491
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:45,760
me run down there.

492
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:50,120
And even though I ran down there, there are still 500 young people in front of me in front

493
00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:51,120
of there.

494
00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:57,200
And even still, I believe that's what channeled the vacuum or the vacancy in my heart for

495
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,280
the Holy Spirit to really wreck me like he did overnight.

496
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,840
Like my parents are like, what happened this man?

497
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,880
Like six months later, I was like, man, Jesus really changed my life.

498
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,280
And my dad's like, yeah, I know.

499
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:08,280
I'm like, what do you mean?

500
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,120
He's like, yeah, we hear you every night.

501
00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:11,120
What?

502
00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:12,520
Anyways, but that's really what happened.

503
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:17,360
And I can, I can almost put back to every moment in my life where things have changed.

504
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:22,720
It's deserty or a heart of desperation for change came into my soul.

505
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,400
And that's what brought me to my tipping point.

506
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:25,400
I love that.

507
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,120
Let me ask you right now, what's your take?

508
00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:31,440
Obviously we're seeing the asbury thing that is broken out.

509
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,800
And obviously they've moved that into different venues, but I was just talking to our last

510
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,560
guest on, we have Patricia King and a lot of people contact her and she was saying,

511
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:44,200
they're probably about 25 different ongoing per meetings as per our last conversation

512
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:49,640
across the United States from the Kenai Peninsula in Alaska to the East coast of Jis and Pasadena

513
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:50,960
right now.

514
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,480
Some good friends of ours, the Greens, Jesse in particular, she's down there.

515
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,480
They're having ongoing.

516
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:56,800
What, what do you think?

517
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:02,160
Because man, we've gone a minute without having someplace that we could identifyably point

518
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,640
to and say something's going on there and it's spreading.

519
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,840
Like we have a little hot spots we've gone to, but it's spreading.

520
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,800
It's been a minute since we've seen that.

521
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,840
What's your take on what, what God is doing and what are you seeing right now?

522
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:18,800
I believe, I believe that, you know, the COVID thing, how everyone to place it, I believe

523
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:23,280
it's shuffled things, it's shook things that couldn't be, that could have been shaken.

524
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,960
So that, which couldn't have been shaken, like it says in Hebrews 12, could remain,

525
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:32,360
but I actually believe that shaking has caused a desperation and there's sinners we're finding

526
00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:37,440
that are getting baptized, confessing stuff, like coming out of the woodwork.

527
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:42,200
I'm talking stuff no one's ever told me and they're feeling completely okay to say this.

528
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,920
And I believe that awakening has actually or revival.

529
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,400
A lot of people have different definitions, you know, awakening exists and revival exists,

530
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:54,560
but however you want to say it, the out point of the spirit has engaged, I believe in this

531
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,480
hour and it's to the whosoever I believe right now.

532
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,200
Bro, I love what you're saying.

533
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,400
I am chomping at the bit.

534
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:01,720
I 100% agree with you.

535
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:06,080
I feel like, you know, it's interesting, you know, Asbury, the, Asbury had an outbreak

536
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,200
of the Holy Ghost.

537
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,560
I believe it was around 19, it was a couple of years before Zuster around 1904.

538
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,880
And obviously Asbury University was named after Francis Asbury, early circuit writer.

539
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,360
Two years after that, you had a Zuzus street.

540
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:23,440
There could have been other moves, but another most notable move at Asbury College was about

541
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,280
1950, I believe or so.

542
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,920
And of course you had the latter rain, you had the healing revival, all Roberts, all

543
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,760
those guys, they were feeling tense.

544
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:38,320
The latter rain movement, obviously, Canada, they were impacted, happened at the Bible

545
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:39,320
College there.

546
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,800
Then you had a 1971, 72 around there.

547
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,320
They had another one, of course, is Jesus People Movement.

548
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,760
There was another, as the outbreak around 93 or somewhere around that.

549
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,680
Some of these numbers could be off a little bit, but then you had Pensacola, Father's

550
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,840
Day, you had Toronto, you had all these kinds of things.

551
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,480
And then low and behold, 2023.

552
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,760
It's almost as if the Lord is breathing again upon this.

553
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:09,600
Again, it's bigger than what we know, but I think Francis Asbury was a phenomenal revivalist

554
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,000
that spread, a circuit writer meant for those of you who are listening, these dudes got

555
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,360
on horses, they weren't getting on Facebook and Twitter, TikTok, although there's nothing

556
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,280
wrong with that if you're spreading the gospel.

557
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,040
But they went and preached.

558
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,640
In addition to that, the dude was an abolitionist, outspoken.

559
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,400
In fact, he carried some papers with them that if he led you to the Lord, you had to

560
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,400
sign these papers that basically said, you're going to let all your slaves go or else you

561
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:32,840
can walk with the Lord.

562
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:38,680
And so there was this sense of kingdom justice mixed with a revivalist.

563
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,920
And it's almost like the Lord uses this as an awakening.

564
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,040
And I feel like there's this Asbury thing.

565
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:48,800
And so I feel like it's bigger than just some college students, Gen Z got excited and thought,

566
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,600
okay, we'll repent of some sins, which by the way, who does that apart from God and all

567
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,120
these things, man?

568
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,720
In light of that, Greg, because dude, you're on such a roll, we believe that there is a

569
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,120
breakthrough happening.

570
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,720
What in your estimation are keys to breakthrough?

571
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:09,520
I believe the key, the major thrust with key is a heart of desperation.

572
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,360
But that doesn't mean just something light.

573
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,400
I think when people hear me say a heart of desperation, that means get excited for a

574
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:16,400
service.

575
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,960
But I believe what that means is it's time for me to push everything else aside in my

576
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,360
life because this is worthy of all of my attention.

577
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:28,920
And so even us, we've been going, we just finished doing five days straight Fridays before that,

578
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,240
just seeking the heart of Jesus and Houston.

579
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:37,840
My wife and I, everything's moving out of the way so that we can host Jesus because

580
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:42,080
there's something in me that I'm not missing God, no matter what happens, I'm going to

581
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,080
find Jesus.

582
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:48,440
So I believe one of the biggest keys with desperation though is having a mindset that

583
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,600
even if it doesn't come, it was worth my investment.

584
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,600
And so what I find with people, it's almost like they have to be promised the investment

585
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:56,600
before they invest.

586
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:01,400
And I think that's one of the biggest keys that are actually missing, that if we would

587
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,880
be desperate, regardless the outcome, now I'm not saying God's not coming, but if we're

588
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:10,880
desperate, regardless of what happens, I think it shows really a loyalty to the heart of Jesus,

589
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,120
just like the three Hebrew children, you know, and they're like, we're not going to bow and

590
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,120
God's going to save us.

591
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,160
But even if he doesn't save us, we're not going to bow.

592
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,400
You know, so that's what I believe.

593
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:23,200
Man, I think that's so profound that you go, we have to have the promise of the investment

594
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,080
before we do the investment.

595
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,400
And I just love that because first of all, there are zillion promises in the Bible that

596
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,960
if you're drawn near to God, he'll draw near to you.

597
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,280
But I love what you said, hey, I'm better for it regardless.

598
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,840
And I think some of the problem with modern Christianity, and maybe we'll open this up

599
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:43,920
a little bit more, is that I think we have a door dash mentality that, hey, outbreaks

600
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,360
of the Holy Ghost are going on and as bread all around.

601
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:47,640
Hey, I just hold tight.

602
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,280
It's going to come knock on my door, ring my door, drop off the move of God.

603
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,080
I'm just going to sit down and open it up and eat it.

604
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:59,000
But you give some great biblical examples that that's not the case.

605
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:05,080
Can you just expound upon the fact that desperation and the desperation to linger, because I believe

606
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,120
that there is an anointing in the linger in this season.

607
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,120
God is going to reward the lingerer.

608
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:14,880
And talk to us a little bit about the door dash mentality and why that isn't scriptural.

609
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,120
To just think God's just going to drop it off at your door and you're automatically,

610
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,680
in a sense, you can be passive and still participate in the move of God.

611
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:23,680
Speak to that.

612
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:24,680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

613
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:29,920
I really believe that that's one of the biggest hindrances to this generation because of the,

614
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,840
it's like a me-based movement of I'm entitled, where people come to church for me instead

615
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,560
of actually going for Christ.

616
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:41,080
But one of the biggest things is people, I hear all the time, well, God wants revival,

617
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,800
they'll come to my door, they'll come to my house, they'll come to my church or whatnot.

618
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:45,800
But you don't see that.

619
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,080
Like you see one person or maybe a couple people like the at the funeral Jesus stopped

620
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,200
by or the guy at the pool Bethesda.

621
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,400
But typically speaking in the Bible, people who got their miracles were willing to get

622
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:01,960
out of the camp, willing to press pass, willing to be embarrassed and not and lose all sense

623
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,920
of entitlement whatsoever.

624
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:08,560
It's obviously, you know, the lady with the issue of blood and then the Luke 18, the blind

625
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,880
man where he cried out and everyone told him to be quiet.

626
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:16,880
And I truly believe in this hour that revival could come to you just like Jesus could maybe

627
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:22,600
come to your door just like he didn't for the most part statistically in the New Testament,

628
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,360
but he healed those who came to him primarily.

629
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:30,520
I believe that right now Jesus is walking by and I believe it's up to us.

630
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,800
And again, I just felt to say one thing that I think one of the things that happens is

631
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,800
that pride always marries pain.

632
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:41,400
It means where there's been some kind of rejection, we cover it with an source of entitlement.

633
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,240
It's actually a spirit of poverty where we've been without.

634
00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:47,640
So we marry it with, well, I, you know, if it was real, it would come to me.

635
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,160
If it was God, it would happen to me.

636
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:53,600
But the truth is, if it's God, you have to lose all and go after it.

637
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,960
Oh my goodness, man, I'm about to run around the room and light my hair on fire.

638
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,560
Bro, you said that pride and pain, how did you say that?

639
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,680
They go hand in hand, they marry each other, they come in.

640
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:05,680
Yeah, they're power twins.

641
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:06,680
Power twins.

642
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:07,680
Power twins.

643
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,720
And so I always see that every time there's a deficiency when we're young, we always exalt

644
00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:16,280
ourselves to cover it when we're old so that by the time something good comes that we need

645
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:21,840
to actually humble ourselves, we're too entitled to actually cross that threshold of pain because

646
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,480
of the pride to actually obtain it.

647
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,360
Oh my goodness, man.

648
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,440
That is, that's crazy.

649
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,160
So you're thinking of blind Bartimaeus, I'm thinking the one with the issue of blood,

650
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,840
you know, you're talking about desperation.

651
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,800
And what I love about that is a couple of quick thoughts is one, who doesn't have in

652
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,080
terms of someone who's really walking with the Lord, who doesn't have a desire for more

653
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:42,080
of Jesus in their life.

654
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,800
Who doesn't have a desire to see the manifestation of the glory of God?

655
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,040
Who doesn't desire revival?

656
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:53,360
But what I've seen in Moves Pass is I've studied a little bit, Greg, is that desire must pass

657
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,200
the test of desperation.

658
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,400
When you desire something, that's like you like it, you know what I'm saying?

659
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,040
But desperation gets to the point where you won't do without it.

660
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:08,800
And if your desire doesn't pass the desperation test, Zacchaeus would have missed his moment

661
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,960
had he stayed on the ground and hid behind the crowd.

662
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:16,520
But that dude put desperation on display, got up on a tree, Jesus said, hey today, Zacchaeus,

663
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,400
I'm coming to your house.

664
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:23,520
And so kind of continue along this line of what you're describing is that hunger can't

665
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:24,920
be passive.

666
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:29,880
Like we had, I think a part of what the pandemic did is it brought it to our house.

667
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:34,680
We're watching online, we're watching on the live stream, we're doing stuff from our home.

668
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,640
They say statistics may have shifted a little bit, but they're saying 30% of the body of

669
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:43,400
Christ never made it back off their couch and put down their latte to step into a church.

670
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:48,080
You're overseeing a church in Houston that is amazing.

671
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,800
You guys hit the streets and do evangelism.

672
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:55,800
Talk to us a little bit about the type of hunger that it takes in this hour, cannot be trapped

673
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,920
or wrapped in the cellophane of passivity.

674
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,920
Just talk to us about the fact that it's got to be out of the box, unwrapped desperation.

675
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,240
Yeah, yeah, I believe that.

676
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:09,040
It's, you know, I'm Canadian originally.

677
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:10,880
So Canadians are passive.

678
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,840
And what that means is they'd rather be polite than powerful.

679
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,920
And so what have we seen in people's lives?

680
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:23,680
They'll literally let God moments pass them by so they can remain in a former or what

681
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:29,360
looks to be a form of politeness or it looks to be, you know, maybe political correctness

682
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:35,880
or, you know, it looks to be some kind of a societal consensus that this is what we do.

683
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:41,040
And I believe that passivity is taught and it's ingrained in our society to actually

684
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,680
stop moments and movements that we're seeing right now.

685
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:50,680
And I think that passivity isn't, I could be wrong, isn't a fruit of the spirit.

686
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,560
It's actually a trait of the enemy's control within society.

687
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:59,480
And I think if you look all throughout history, those who would see revivals always broke

688
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:04,880
the cord of passivity, always broke the mold of people who would, who would seem, I'm going

689
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,160
to say, and get out there a little bit and say, unbalanced and not have their life completely

690
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,120
balanced because they were so desperate.

691
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:18,200
They were so persuaded that what they desired was worth everything else in their life worth

692
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:19,200
suffering.

693
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,640
And so I believe that that's really what is needed.

694
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,920
We're seeing a lot of people come out of the woodworks, like I said, even in Houston, people

695
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,440
have never preached the gospel.

696
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:32,560
And in my life, I've never seen a group of people so hungry to preach the gospel, Sean.

697
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:37,560
Like never in my life, I've had to pull teeth out and they're lining up to preach the gospel.

698
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,680
They're, they're freaking out.

699
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,480
No better terminology.

700
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,200
They're coming back to like, this guy was healed.

701
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:44,680
I had a word of knowledge for this.

702
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:49,600
And it's flooding into their heart and like revolution is beginning to happen in their

703
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:50,600
souls.

704
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,320
And I believe that's the recipe.

705
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:57,160
It's actually one of these things the Lord's been speaking to me like a riot mindset.

706
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,080
Those who would do riots are wrong.

707
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:00,080
I get it.

708
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:05,080
But the characteristics are far outdoing what the church is even willing to do for the

709
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,000
presence of Jesus.

710
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,880
And I feel that that's what desperation looks like.

711
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,720
It's a devotion to change regardless of the casualties of war almost.

712
00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:16,720
And I'm not talking about death.

713
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:18,560
I'm not talking about burning and flipping cars.

714
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,840
I'm talking about burning and flipping things in our lives that hold us back from Jesus.

715
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:27,240
Man, you know, man, seriously, what you're saying is just blowing me away.

716
00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:30,920
Every one time, Greg, I was going into a meeting to speak to some Christian college

717
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,360
students who had a Christian university.

718
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:33,760
I was a director of spiritual life.

719
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,720
It's Christian college and I'm going in to speak in the chapel and it was going to be,

720
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:40,840
I've been there a while when I first came, the power of God broke out.

721
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,480
So the president offered me a position.

722
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:43,480
He said, would you come?

723
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:44,480
I know you're itinerant.

724
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:45,480
You travel.

725
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,560
What would you come a couple of days a week and be our spiritual life director?

726
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:49,560
And they made up a term.

727
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:50,560
I said, sure, sure.

728
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,440
So I'm going into the meeting and I saw, I know different people call it different things.

729
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:55,440
We call it soda.

730
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,440
I know some people just generically call carbonated drink Coke or whatever.

731
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:05,080
But I had the old fashioned bottle and I saw that there is this like almost inert substance

732
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,080
inside of this.

733
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,400
It could cola bottle, but I knew it's not meant to be inert.

734
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,160
And it dawned on me that it had a cap on it, of course.

735
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:16,240
And so I had to get the cap off to get this soda to pour.

736
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:17,920
And I was thinking, how do I get this cap off?

737
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,400
And the Lord showed me the cap.

738
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:24,880
It was almost like the acronym CAP became complacency apathy passivity.

739
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:29,800
And the Lord showed me, I grabbed it and it's like I saw a hand superimpose over my hand.

740
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,360
I knew it was the hand of God shook it.

741
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,000
And as he shook it, it blew the cap off.

742
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,080
And all of a sudden, obviously all this carbonated drink is what happened.

743
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:41,600
If you know, old high school trick, you shake your buddies soda pop and you hand it to them

744
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:42,600
and they blow up.

745
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:48,760
And I feel like God purposely in our lives allows a shaking so we'll blow off the cap.

746
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:53,200
And there's been a complacency apathy passivity again, the acronym for cap.

747
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:54,200
And I love what you said earlier.

748
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,600
Everything that can be shaken will be shaken so that which is unshakable will remain.

749
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:58,640
I believe God is shook.

750
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,640
The Western world church in particular, actually the church all over the globe, but the Western

751
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,720
world, I think we had a little layover to see in dust on us.

752
00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:10,600
And I'd say the other thing is the Bible asks the question, is there anyone who stirs themselves

753
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:11,600
up the layhold of God?

754
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,560
And so what I'm hearing from you is that, hey, you got to stir yourself up.

755
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:16,560
What do you think?

756
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:17,560
Obviously desperation.

757
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:21,960
What individually could a person do right now that's saying, hey, you know what?

758
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:26,160
I hear what you're saying, Greg, man, I know there's the more I want the more.

759
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:27,440
I feel like I'm a bit stagnant.

760
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,080
I feel like I'm a bit stuck.

761
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,680
I feel like I've become routine in my approach to God.

762
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,840
How do I see personal breakthrough?

763
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,680
What are some specifics that you would counsel or you would talk or you've seen that would

764
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:43,400
help person in an area of achieving a personal breakthrough into a greater flow of God in

765
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:44,400
their life?

766
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:45,400
Yeah.

767
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:46,400
Yeah.

768
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,960
You know, I think first of all, I would say, obviously I want to say desperation and I'll

769
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,360
say that in a minute because I think that's all part of this.

770
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:57,400
But I think one of the biggest things is allowing personal honesty to come in to observe where

771
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:58,400
we're at.

772
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:04,520
What I see most in so many different places, the lack of proper discernment of ourselves

773
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,120
and I'm going to say something that hopefully will mean something.

774
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,680
But you have this example of Josiah in the Old Testament.

775
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,600
He's the son of Amon who's a wicked, evil person.

776
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,840
And statistically, it's easier to stay wicked because the wickedness blinds your eyes to

777
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:22,040
that wickedness itself because if it's a normality, it's not really wicked anymore.

778
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,840
It's just a personality.

779
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:28,320
And so a lot of times, yeah, a lot of times I see what happens is we have people who

780
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:33,080
have had patterns, whether it's families, whether it's cultures or countries, patterns

781
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:38,520
of ingrained character or practices that we don't even see as wrong.

782
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,560
We're always seeing someone else's stuff that is wrong, right?

783
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:42,960
To us that we don't practice.

784
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,840
Well, I always see that we fail to actually recognize like he did.

785
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:51,960
He read the word for himself, the Bible said, and he was like, he's like, we're in trouble.

786
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,520
We're in bad trouble.

787
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:58,320
And so he threw down and fasted and prayed and brought the spirit of the Lord to the

788
00:42:58,320 --> 00:42:59,320
land.

789
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:04,480
And so what I see is that everyone wants the blessing of repentance without the ability

790
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:11,120
to actually inspect ourselves to see if there's anything that needs to be altered or de-altered

791
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:15,080
that's been raised up in our past, our present, our families.

792
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,600
And I believe there's a huge necessity for that right now.

793
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:23,400
That's one of the biggest keys for me is almost every time I start to see a breakthrough, God

794
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:28,960
will bring a place of loving conviction to say, Hey, Greg, there's this area in your

795
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,840
life that you've been doing this or, Hey, this is running.

796
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:36,720
I've had this, this is running in your family and you've married it and you're blind to

797
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:37,720
it.

798
00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:42,080
And unless you die to it, it's going to kill you or at least stop what I'm trying to do

799
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,080
through you.

800
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:44,080
So I believe that's one of them.

801
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,960
And then the other thing is just personal running back to the place of personal worship.

802
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,840
And I know the Lord's been working on me on that, you know, you know, ministry, you're

803
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:56,320
doing lives, doing all these different things, helping everyone else fix their solutions.

804
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,120
And we don't even have a tap on God sometimes.

805
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:05,040
And so I believe that personal, a revolution of elongated times with Jesus, just in the

806
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:11,280
real secret place where as we're worshiping or praying, we're, we're surrendering inwardly.

807
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,800
And I just see that, you know, those two things have obviously been completely aware and asking

808
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:20,400
the Lord if there's anything we need to pay attention to from our past or present or things

809
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:21,760
around us that are blinding us.

810
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,440
And then, and secondly, is just that real secret place of intimacy.

811
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,600
And then, you know, what goes on there is desperate.

812
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,800
See is like God, now what do I do extra?

813
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,400
Those two things are just to catch up.

814
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:32,920
And the last thing is just desperate.

815
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:37,280
See, it's like God, what else do I need to do to kind of really pursue you to see you

816
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:41,920
make a change, not just in me, but maybe my family, my nation or, you know, my region.

817
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,280
Man, I love what you're saying.

818
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,640
Number one, the thing that stuck out is that whole aspect of part of the enemy's ploy is

819
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:52,400
to cause wickedness to become our normality, then it no longer looks like it.

820
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:57,560
And all of it, all it is, is this way to insulate us from the conviction because repentance,

821
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:58,560
you're right.

822
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,000
It is what brings breakthrough.

823
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,080
And I think we want, you know, I'll just tell on us, North American Christians, I know

824
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:08,640
there are people from all over the globe that listen to Kibo 100, but I know Western world

825
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,280
or North American Christians, we don't want to repent.

826
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:13,520
We want a shortcut.

827
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,040
And the truth be told, like, where do you find that?

828
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:22,080
You know, you'll see people on their Instagram, hashtag, work all night, hashtag, team grind,

829
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,680
hashtag, you know, all this stuff, like put in work, hashtag.

830
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:31,200
And then they come to church and it's hashtag, couch potato, hashtag, passivity, hashtag.

831
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,760
I don't want to have to push beyond a certain point, but I'm convinced that this next breakthrough,

832
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:40,600
you know, I talk about in my book, I am your sign about when new trends and patterns come,

833
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:45,400
there are pioneers, early adopters, late adopters, and then you go all the way down to the stragglers

834
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,280
and different people have given them different terminology, but we're really trying to call

835
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,600
forth the pioneers of revival now.

836
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:56,000
And we're saying you've got to lead the whole Asbury thing was these kids got them started

837
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:01,520
repenting and truth be told, that was true in the seventies, asbury revival thing.

838
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:06,400
Actually all of Asbury's revivals have begun with students standing up and repenting, which

839
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:07,840
I think is very interesting.

840
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,400
And then you said something huge, bro.

841
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,280
You said the secret place, man.

842
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,280
I don't know if people, again, like, if you're not, you know, you're not going to be able

843
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,600
to get alone with God.

844
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:22,880
How do you think that God is going to be able to get himself fully in you and through you

845
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:23,880
in the air of revival?

846
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:24,880
Right?

847
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:25,880
Totally.

848
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,160
What do you think are as you two last questions, man, because it's so good.

849
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:34,040
What do you think in light of all of the challenges that modern believers have?

850
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:39,640
What do you think are the challenges that we face that mitigate a war against us getting

851
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:40,640
breakthroughs?

852
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,160
Yeah, I really, I actually, we just, we kind of went over this.

853
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:48,440
We, in one of our services, we just had, but I feel like the Lord was really focusing on

854
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,080
that whole fear of man, Proverbs 29, 25.

855
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,880
And it's just this amazing kind of a revelation that's hitting us.

856
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,960
This is going to probably get deep here, maybe, and maybe too much, but, you know, it says

857
00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:04,440
in Matthew 10, 33, it says, if you deny before a man, I'll deny before the other.

858
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,640
And I think sometimes we cutify the fear of man, but really what it is, it's displaced

859
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:09,640
loyalty.

860
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:15,040
So I find we're wanting God to bring our, or Jesus, we're going to say, because he's

861
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:19,080
our mediator, bring our case before the father, but we're unwilling to bring his case before

862
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:20,840
our lives and our friends.

863
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:26,800
And I find that, that small little thing called the fear of man is actually displaced loyalty.

864
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,640
And then we're still, it's kind of like we're wanting the blessing of Abel and giving the

865
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,760
sacrifice of Cain.

866
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:37,640
We're wanting to keep our friends and keep people in our lives and keep mom happy.

867
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,720
I already say it like this, because I love my mom, but keep everyone happy, you know,

868
00:47:41,720 --> 00:47:43,160
everything really balanced.

869
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,960
I want to make everything even kill and then still have revival.

870
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:51,720
And I believe it's actually the words going to be impossible to have God show up on our

871
00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:54,960
behalf, but yet remain loyal to all of our peoples.

872
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:59,760
And so I feel like one of the biggest things that have to die, one of the biggest devils,

873
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:04,960
you could say, is the fear of man, where the loyalties of our heart need to be crushed

874
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,920
and sacrificed to Jesus again.

875
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:08,080
You know, does that make sense?

876
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,760
So that's what I feel like people are doing in this hour.

877
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:15,720
That thing, Greg, of displaced loyalty, fear of man being displaced, I've never heard that

878
00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:16,720
before.

879
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:20,080
And man, it is so on point right on.

880
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:27,360
Oh my goodness, man, you and your wife have embodied desperation means you take risk.

881
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:28,360
That's what I'm hearing you say.

882
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,560
And you and your wife, you guys have taken some risks, man.

883
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,040
I mean, you've left a very powerful, thriving church.

884
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:39,880
You guys planted a work that had multiple campuses and you were, you know, kind of fathering

885
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:40,880
and overlooking that.

886
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:46,280
And obviously you still have a voice into them and they looked at you, but you came to Houston,

887
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:52,200
uprooted your entire family, started from scratch again and really kind of threw caution

888
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,000
to the wind of the spirit and gambled.

889
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:59,560
And some people would say Houston's got some pretty big churches already and they've got

890
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,240
enough going on in that area.

891
00:49:01,240 --> 00:49:05,920
But for you guys to come down, what do you feel risk, what part will risk play in this

892
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:06,920
revival?

893
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,360
I think honestly, what you just said, I think risk is everything.

894
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,720
I think that risk is just another word for faith.

895
00:49:13,720 --> 00:49:18,920
And I believe that the only thing, it's kind of all this is coming together in a perfect

896
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:19,920
circle.

897
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:27,280
Sean, I believe that risk is literally, it's the absolute definition of desperation.

898
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,600
You know, that lady with the issue of blood, she risked not getting it.

899
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,200
She risked being rejected more than she'd already been rejected.

900
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,280
She risked everything, right?

901
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:41,120
Just to get a touch of Jesus saying with, you mentioned was Zacchaeus, right?

902
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,000
Blind Bartimaeus, all these people risk everything.

903
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:49,160
And I always find that your next level of breakthrough is your next level of risk.

904
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:55,240
Not in the flesh, but for some odd reason, every time I go to another level, it's after

905
00:49:55,240 --> 00:49:56,480
I take a risk.

906
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,920
And so maybe the next time I should be a little happier when risk comes, instead of being

907
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:05,480
a little bit more timid, even moving to Houston was a little bit of a shot for us.

908
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,280
But I believe that risk is definitely the currency of heaven.

909
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Oh my God, risk is the currency of heaven.

910
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Greg, bro, I'm just going to start calling you for it, Knox.

911
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You dropped in gold nuggets everywhere, my friend.

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Every seriously.

913
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Greg, this is so profound, man.

914
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What are your social media?

915
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:27,640
Any way our listeners can get in contact, support you, get behind you, track with you,

916
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follow you.

917
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Yeah, you can follow us at Greg Diaz Daniel Gervais, G-E-R-V-A-I-S on any social handle

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or at Rignation USA on any social handle.

919
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We have a book called Every Believer and that's really Every Believer is the Army of God.

920
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And that's what we are driving toward is awakening the army.

921
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There is an awakening, but we just need people to come to that realization.

922
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And we're believing God to really pour out.

923
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Greg, bro, I love you.

924
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You are profound.

925
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,560
You are the funnest guys to be around.

926
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,400
You know, it's funny because even Apostle Tomi said the same thing.

927
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,400
He said, you guys laughed so much.

928
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,520
Made me jealous to come hang out with you guys on certain trips more.

929
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,080
Bro, seriously, thanks for taking the time.

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00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:16,440
Rignation USA is so blessed to have you and give our love to your wife and your three beautiful

931
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kids, man.

932
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,040
Christa, I sure love you and share.

933
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:20,040
You guys are a true gift.

934
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,760
Us too, man, thank you so much, Sean, for the privilege of being on this show with you

935
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guys.

936
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Thank you.

937
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:26,760
Wow, that was incredible, wasn't it?

938
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,440
Oh my gosh, I love Greg.

939
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,120
I love his heart.

940
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:31,200
That was profound.

941
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:36,640
Such good revelation and really just, I think, really just captures concisely what God's

942
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,200
doing and saying right now.

943
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:39,200
So true.

944
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,760
I just want to leave you guys with this final thing as we're talking about this whole thing

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about being in position for Jesus' revolution.

946
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,160
And number one, theologian Gordon Feeze, a spirit-filled theologian.

947
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,000
He has written, God has the right to be God.

948
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,960
And I think if there's something that we kind of need to understand again is that God is

949
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,760
not going to be held in sway or under control by us.

950
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,240
He is God and He is at work in the world.

951
00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:02,400
We must never forget it.

952
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,800
And I think of this final thing I want to leave you with.

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00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:09,440
What I believe that the Jesus' revolution prophesied to us in this moment is that when

954
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:13,080
hell overplays its hand, heaven overlays its hand.

955
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:19,920
Did you know that April 8th, 1966, Time Magazine carried a cover that for the first time featured

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00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:25,000
texts only without a graphic and it was starkly captioned, is God dead?

957
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,920
And so they were just saying, man, people are leaving church.

958
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:28,920
God's dead.

959
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:30,160
Man, I don't see the expression of that.

960
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,200
This generation is irreligious.

961
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,840
There are moral, sex, drugs, all that stuff.

962
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,520
So that's April 8th, 1966.

963
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,960
On June 12th, 1971, the same magazine.

964
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:45,680
I want to repeat the same magazine, Time Magazine featured a hippie-like looking Jesus with

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00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,920
the heading, the Jesus Revolution, just five years later.

966
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,840
And so here time was trying to say is God dead?

967
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:58,240
And I believe God answered what a resounding no by unleashing the Jesus Revolution.

968
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00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:05,200
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973
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976
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,360
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