"Uncontestable Identity/ Unlimited Impact Pt.2: Bonus Convo w/ Chris Durso" S1 Ep19

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Our nation has been hit with a health pandemic,

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but maybe the most undetected pandemic

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is a loss of authentic identity.

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If we're honest with ourselves, we often feel insecure.

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And those who hide it best often feel it most.

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But what if our insecurity is an invitation from God

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to escape the danger of false beliefs about who we are?

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What if the fear of insignificance

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is wrongly causing us to plant our identity flag

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on the top of our achievements, followers, tribe,

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or affiliation instead of our maker?

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In this episode of Keeper 100,

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we continue this impactful discussion

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plus a bonus conversation with Chris Durso.

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Welcome to Keeper 100 podcast

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with Sean and Christa Smith.

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Join us in this space where we take on real issues

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with real insight and real inspiration.

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This podcast is for those not looking for temporary relief

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to change circumstance,

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but revelation to forever change lives.

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All right, all right, what's going on everybody?

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Welcome to the Keeper 100 podcast with Christa

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and Sean Smith.

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Yeah, welcome to the party y'all.

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We are so turned up about this episode

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and you're gonna be snatched by the Chris Durso interview.

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So you need to stay tuned.

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You know, Christa, there was an online article

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entitled, What Were We Thinking?

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Whackiest Fads Over the Past 30 Years.

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Okay, I'm ready for it, bring it.

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All right, number one on that list was hacky sack.

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I remember that, I totally remember that.

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I just remember seeing these guys on my campus

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at a university kicking hacky sack for like hours

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in between classes.

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And I just thought, man, at that time,

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my thought was what a waste of time.

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You know, it's really funny the fact you brought it up.

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It makes me go, does, do people not do that anymore?

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Right?

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All right, tell me, what else?

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Another wacky fat was garbage pail kids.

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Oh, I remember those.

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My friends had like trading cards

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and I wasn't allowed to have them

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because they were like kind of like,

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they were just kind of gross.

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And I just remember like, me,

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you know, my parents, there's no way.

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Garbage pail kids were like,

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the demon possessed cabbage patch kid.

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It looked like Chucky, you know,

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up that horrible. They did.

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Another thing they listed was jelly shoes.

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Oh, I wanted those.

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I never had a pair.

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I remember those plastic shoes.

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I remember, I'm not exaggerating.

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I remember one time in high school,

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a girl's jelly shoes melted on her feet.

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Stop it.

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She must've got like the knockoff version

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that they went and made out of good plastic.

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If your shoes melt because of heat,

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I'm going to go ahead and guarantee

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that you don't have the best brand.

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Right?

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Oh my gosh, that's bad.

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I mean, come on.

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All right. How about this one,

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MySpace.com

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Oh my gosh.

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Do you remember how they had like the favorites

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and like people's feelings got hurt

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because they weren't like included

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in people's best friends list.

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And they were, you were like,

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hey, I put you in mine,

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but you didn't put me in yours.

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Are we not friends anymore?

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I remember that.

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I don't even think I ever closed my account.

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I wonder if it's still there.

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That is straight comedy.

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All right, here's another one.

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They talked about Bond Dutch trucking hats.

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I remember those.

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When I lived down Australia,

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those were like super popular.

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Oh my, I remember Ashton Kutcher

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Oh yeah, I see.

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And Paris Hilton was both rocking them.

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And so I don't know who Bond Dutch was,

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but that brother collected some cash during that season.

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So funny.

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You know, speaking of that,

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it kind of reminds me too, Christa,

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that all of us grew up with friends

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who were always into the latest fads.

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So true.

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In some instances,

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they were trying to be something that they're not.

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But some of us looking back in these instances,

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there may have been some identity issues

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with some of these people that always felt like

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they had to be cool and be on the latest thing

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so they could feel relevant.

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And a couple of things that I've learned about identity.

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Identity gives confidence to action

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and identity reveals our deeper purpose.

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You know, as we kind of just continue to dive

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into the conversation about identity,

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I think that what's so important is we really understand

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when someone isn't walking in their full identity,

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what you just mentioned, Sean,

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there's really some clear signs

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that begin to happen in our lives

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when we're lacking identity.

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One of the signs, especially as a follower of Christ,

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is you really start dipping in the area

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of radical affection and your resolve for Christ.

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If you don't know who you are in Christ

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when the storms of life come,

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and we can say 2020 has kind of been an ongoing tsunami storm.

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It has been one thing after another.

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And the unfortunate part of storms,

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there's, you actually said this in your sermon.

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You said the enemy brings storms to shake you,

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but the Lord uses storms to shape you.

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And what I think is so profound about that

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is if you allow the storms of life,

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we've all been in storms this year

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that are out of our control and out of our hands.

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And it's in these storms,

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we actually see what's in us on an identity level.

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And if you don't know who you are,

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I've seen so many people that once had a radical affection

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and a resolve for Christ begin to wane in that

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because there's been a despair,

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there's been a disillusionment and a disappointment.

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And when despair sets in,

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often a radical zeal and affection

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and resolve pursuit of God begins to wane as well.

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The second sign that you lose on your identity

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is you start altering your beliefs

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to accommodate the world's culture and values.

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And what happens in the midst of this

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is you're trying to be politically correct

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rather than biblically correct.

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you start moving it to a place

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that you start being a reflection of your culture.

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And that hurts you because we're called to be a contrast.

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And I reminded me of a story

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when I was growing up in West Oakland, California,

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West Oakland as elementary school kid,

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we went on one field trip on my entire years

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in elementary school, my school was ghetto, y'all.

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And I don't know the state of California

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must not have had a lot of money.

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So they sent us to the Oakland Zoo.

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Now, in all fairness,

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I've been to the Oakland Zoo for a while.

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So right now it could be an awesome zoo,

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but back in the day, I'm just gonna straight tell you,

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it was hood, y'all.

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We pulled up in a bus

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and we took public transportation.

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We didn't have a school bus, right?

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Stop it.

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Seriously, we took public transportation.

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We went to Oakland Zoo.

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Now you go to zoos, right?

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Okay, you think of crabs, elephants,

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zebras, monkeys, orangutans, right?

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We went to Oakland Zoo.

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But the first thing I remember is,

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okay, y'all ready for this?

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I'm not exaggerating, this is not comedic license.

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They had a dog in a cage.

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Stop it right now.

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Seriously, they had a dog.

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They said it was a dingo dog from Africa,

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but I think it was on loan from Sacramento, man.

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Oh my, no.

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It was not even on loan from Sacramento.

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You and I both know a dingo looks like a mutt.

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I mean, it doesn't even look like a specific breed.

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They could have taken that from the rescue

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in like downtown Oakland.

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Okay, that's hilarious.

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A dog.

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The zoo has a dog.

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That is, that's, you can't even make this up.

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That's so funny.

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Okay, then we went to the next exhibit.

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They had raccoons in a cage.

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Stop it right now.

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Seriously.

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Are you actually serious right now?

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I'm totally serious.

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People listening.

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They took, they basically, that raccoon

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was trying to get its trash and they took him to the zoo.

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That's what happened.

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Went to the third exhibit.

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They had deers behind cages.

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Stop it.

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They had deers.

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I can't even believe this is a true story.

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And the deers were all lethargic.

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I mean, usually deers are like running.

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And that's the other thing.

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They like tranquilize them.

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They have deers, right?

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They have deers in Oakland Hills.

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Like, what are you doing in a zoo?

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Let me just say, the animals in your zoo

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shouldn't be animals that you would see.

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Okay, that's like honestly the worst field trip ever.

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It was.

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Like ever.

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Can I tell you my highlight though?

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Yeah.

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This woman came out with like a greenish glove.

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And when she came out with this greenish glove,

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she had a lizard on her hands.

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So I'm like, okay, we got a lizard at the zoo.

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Wait, but this lizard was a chameleon.

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And so as she brought it on the glove,

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the lizard turned green on her glove.

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And then she put it back on its natural habitat.

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She had like a brown, like little branch.

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And she put it on the branch.

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We're losing it right now, y'all.

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She put this lizard on a branch and it turned brown.

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So then she was telling us, because you gotta remember,

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we didn't have Animal Planet on a cable channel

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back in the day, 24 hours, right?

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So she told us that the chameleon is able to adapt itself

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and turn towards the colors

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of whatever it's placed upon.

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And she said it was a defense mechanism.

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So I was a little kid, I was a little kid.

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I'm in the superheroes and I'm still in the superheroes.

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Now shout out to the MCU Marvel Cinematic Universe.

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But I started thinking, now be cool to be chameleon, man.

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Like you can just chameleon, man.

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You can just poop and then turn invisible

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because you can just blend it to the wall.

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So you could be listening on people's conversation.

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That part's awesome.

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Right, you can sneak into places

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and kind of be there and people wouldn't know it.

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But as I got older, I began to realize

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that being a chameleon is not a superhero quality

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because they're forced to reflect their environment.

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They're forced to change their colors

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to the hue and the pigmentation.

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That's good.

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And whatever it is you place them on.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And I began to realize that instead of having Christians

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that are contrasted with the world,

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we got chameleon Christians that are blending in

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and a chameleon isn't a strength, it's a weakness.

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Ooh, hilarious as a story as that is.

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And genuinely one of the funniest zoo stories

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I've heard in my entire life.

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The point that you're pulling out about a chameleon

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is super profound and so accurate

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because a chameleon just literally absorbs their environment

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and becomes just like it.

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There's no contrast.

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You and I are called to be salt and light.

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So there could be nothing opposite of identity in Christ

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when you just blend.

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And I think there's such a pressure.

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There's such a peer pressure right now.

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Political correctness, saying this or that, right?

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And the reality is we have to break that man-pleasing spirit

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and have within us a resolve as long as we honor God.

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That is what our identity is rooted in, grounded in.

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And there's really no place for chameleon in that.

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And that's what's difficult and yet is so vital

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to us walking in our identity.

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You know, we're talking about what it is

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to lose your identity.

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And really one of the last things I wanna bring to this table,

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a part of this part of the conversation is,

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you know, you commence a lifestyle of settling

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and being in safe mode, hiding in the backgrounds

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and not going on the battlegrounds.

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And really here's the truth

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that it kind of just continues what I just said.

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And that is you're going limp in areas

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where you need to go lethal.

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And I believe you and I are called to walk

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in an authority and an identity of who we are.

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But that only comes when we have a clear understanding

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of our divine identity, our spiritual DNA.

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And that's what allows us to manifest God's dominion

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on the earth.

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You and I are called to walk in the earth.

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We're called to be atmosphere shifters.

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And that happens when we know who we are in Christ Jesus

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and we stop playing it safe.

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That is so true and so accurate.

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I love what you're saying on that.

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Keep it 100 tribe.

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I'm excited.

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We're going to right now introduce a new segment

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that we call the Hondo P segment,

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which let me explain Hondo P is short for 100%.

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And it's in these segments that Christa and I,

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we just wanna share some thoughts on some things.

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Kind of some free flow conversation.

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So the topic of discussion is this whole concept

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that your perception is your reality,

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but it's not always God's reality.

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Ooh, man, have I walked that out?

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I mean, I think so many of us growing up, you know,

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and the part of it's just natural maturity.

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And then I would say a lot of it is just coming

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into the fullness of your identity in the Lord.

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And we're all born into families of thinking systems

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and the perceptions of who we are.

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And so much of our identity and worth is modeled

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within our community, our caregivers, our siblings,

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our family unit.

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And so I think for me, I really discovered

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that I had a lot of thoughts that were negative

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about myself, but because everyone around me

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kind of thought like me, my friends thought like me,

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my friends sounded like me.

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And I realized in time, as a daughter of God,

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I shouldn't sound like people that don't have

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a covenant relationship with them.

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And for that matter, I don't want them to sound like that.

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You know, I want people, no matter where they're at

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in their journey to have a revelation of their worth

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and their value, but I found myself really hard

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on myself in life where if I didn't measure up

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in what I estimated measuring up, if I didn't,

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if I wasn't successful in what I measured as success,

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I was privately very, very hard on myself

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and I was constantly in my estimation coming up short.

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And the Lord really took me through a process

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of really pursuing my heart as my father

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and really showing me the approval

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and the affirmation on the father,

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not by what I did for him, but simply because I was his.

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I'm such a natural doer and achiever.

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Like I get Martha and the story of Mary and Martha,

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I get Martha because I'm like, okay, what do we need to do?

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What do we need to do?

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I find fulfillment and achievement,

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which isn't a bad thing, but it is when you find

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your identity in what you do.

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There's the clutch for that.

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And for me, my perception of my reality was not always God's

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because I was in this distortion of who I was

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as based on what I did and nothing could be farther

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from the truth.

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Who you are is not based on what you do for God.

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Who you are in God is based on the fact

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that your his kidney loves you.

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That's so on point.

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You know, as you're talking about that,

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I just began to realize it didn't really dawn on me

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Christian until later on, then not every thought in my head

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didn't come from my own logic.

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In other words, that I didn't evaluate

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everything going on and if the thought is in my head,

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it's mine and it's my thought, then it must be true of me.

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True.

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That took me a while to figure out too.

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And the devil, the Bible calls it the adversary of our souls.

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You know, he's able to project thoughts.

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And I just remember struggling so long

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as it relates to identity.

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I mean, that was probably my characteristic battle.

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I just remember just struggling and just beginning

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to make conclusions based on my past and not realizing,

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hey, those thoughts are my reality,

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but when I came to Christ, God's got a whole other reality.

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He has a whole book full of positive thoughts

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that he has about our life.

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And it's so important that the closer you get to God,

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you begin to recognize those are negative perceptions,

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not accurate.

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You know, you've said just a key thing.

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So many of us in our walk with God,

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our rear reamir is still really big

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instead of our windshield.

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Meaning how we look back, sure we learn from our past,

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we grow from our past, we mature from our past,

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but if you're sitting there always looking

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and your greatest vantage point is behind you,

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not ahead of you, it's often a distorted view

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of who we are because it never gives you room

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to mature or grow or transform for that matter

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in your identity in God.

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And the enemy, that's where I feel like the enemy

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really kind of can go nuts on you.

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100.

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Is getting you so locked into seeing your past failures

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and disappointments and pain and gets you locked

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in this space where you don't ever evolve

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from your perception of who you are today

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and moving forward in what's possible.

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When God intervenes and you encounter the healer

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and the restore of Jesus,

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because he can heal any trauma, he can heal any pain.

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And when we actually encounter God as our healer,

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as our restore, as our redeemer,

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he can redeem all things.

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And we actually allow the weak part of the places,

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the places that used to be shame,

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actually become these beautiful displays

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of the redemption of God.

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And we begin to testify, even the hard parts of our story,

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it actually solidifies our identity

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that I'm a new creation in Christ Jesus,

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that every one of us is a brand new creation.

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But that revelation of our new creation

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that we are fully forgiven in Christ Jesus

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can only happen when we actually allow the windshield

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to become big.

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You know, I just said just a moment ago, our new creation.

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I think a lot of people are limited

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in that revelation of new creation

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because they have not fully forgiven themselves.

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And I think that is something just, you know,

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pastoring people for years and, you know,

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just walking alongside people in discipleship situations

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in schools and ministry where I was director.

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So many people had asked for forgiveness,

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so therefore God had forgiven them.

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They had even asked for forgiveness

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from people that wronged them

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or had asked for forgiveness for who they wronged

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and forgiven those that wronged them,

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but they had never forgiven themselves.

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Wow.

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And when we don't forgive ourselves,

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we're holding ourselves hostage to the wrong identity.

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Isn't that true?

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That's so good.

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You know, it's funny because as you were saying about that

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and you talk about the enemy planning thoughts,

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I started thinking, you know, before the devil's the devil,

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he was Lucifer and he was the angel in charge of worship.

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Right.

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But all of a sudden, instead of bringing glory to the Father,

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he started getting ideas

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that he wanted to bring glory to himself.

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Right.

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And I really want to get technical.

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The first identity crisis was in heaven by Lucifer.

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And then all of a sudden, when that happened,

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God had the archangel Michael kick him out of heaven,

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slap any eviction notice on his behind

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and he fell down to earth.

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And so I've convinced today that Satan is in your ear

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because he no longer has gods.

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And if God isn't giving them space, then neither should you.

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And I know that they're so often that I can go awhile

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and you've helped me with this, boo, a lot of times,

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is that you stop and go, wait, I break that off.

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I come against that.

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You know, we got a joke.

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I cancel that, I cancel that.

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We do.

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But it's in that you begin to be reminded, wait a second,

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there's a war for my identity.

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And therefore there's a war over my mind.

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Yes, there is.

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And I've got to recognize, you look at it differently

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when you're in a battle like that.

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And you know, a lot of times, modern terminology,

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we talk about FOMO.

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FOMO is the fear of missing out.

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But I just want to throw in the mix, Jomo.

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There's a joy of missing out.

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That's awesome.

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I don't want to miss out on certain things that God has,

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but I got the joy of missing out on the thoughts of the enemy

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that brings anxiety, that brings depression,

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that brings suicide, they bring addictive,

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codependent behavior.

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There's a joy in missing out on that.

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And I miss out on that when I allow God's thoughts

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to become my reality.

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Keep it going, Hunter Tribe.

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I want you to really dial into this moment

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because even as Sean and I were just talking,

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I just felt like Holy Spirit was saying,

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there's some people that are going to listen to this

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and a couple of things in just even this segment

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that we're talking about right now,

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that not every thought that's in your head is of God.

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And for you to really take inventory

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of what you're allowing to be your internal dialogue

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and what you're actually allowing to be the narrative,

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there's things that are a loop in all of our minds,

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but are they things that bring you closer to Jesus?

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Are they things that are the fruit?

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You know, the enemy has a job description

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to kill, still and destroy.

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So let's not get that twisted.

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Let's understand that there is a real devil

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that wants to take you out.

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And that's not from a place of fear.

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It's from a place of understanding

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you have authority over the enemy

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and then you do not in any way, shape or form,

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have to accept any thought.

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So, you know, the word talks about taking

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every thought captive and taking a thought captive

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is cleaning the blood of Jesus over it.

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Taking a thought captive is putting it

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under the feet of Jesus.

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And so when I take thoughts captive,

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I actually see a picture of Jesus' feet

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00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:01,160
and I see that thought going underneath his feet physically

530
00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,080
and him standing on it and then they disappear

531
00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,040
because his authority, his blood, who he is

532
00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,080
can break every word curse.

533
00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,960
And another thing that I feel like I just talked about,

534
00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:13,480
but again, I feel like the Lord's highlighting

535
00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,480
for a listener right now is really forgiving yourself.

536
00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,120
You are not hostage to the sins you've been forgiven of

537
00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:20,760
and the enemy wants to keep you hostage,

538
00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,320
but I want to declare the freedom of the Lord over you

539
00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,120
for you to walk in your full identity.

540
00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:26,960
Wherever you're listening to this podcast right now,

541
00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,960
I want you to take a moment and forgive yourself.

542
00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:31,120
God has forgiven you.

543
00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:32,680
It's time you forgive yourself.

544
00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,380
You are not hostage to the past decisions,

545
00:19:36,380 --> 00:19:40,120
the past sin and the past lifestyle you were living.

546
00:19:40,120 --> 00:19:41,760
You are covered by the blood of the lamb,

547
00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:43,200
which means you are a bloodbought

548
00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,000
and you are a covenant child with God.

549
00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,080
Therefore, it's time you access the fullness

550
00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:50,880
of who he created you to be

551
00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,800
and shame is no longer your friend.

552
00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:54,960
So we break that off just like Sean and I do

553
00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:55,880
in our own lives.

554
00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:57,160
We break that off of you

555
00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,000
because you're called to walk in freedom.

556
00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,800
Bible, which is another way now of saying,

557
00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,520
I think the Kardashians have made that saying popular,

558
00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,280
meaning that's the real truth right there.

559
00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:07,840
Bible, they keep your 100.

560
00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,760
We have a special surprise for you.

561
00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,440
Our next guest on this next segment is an influencer

562
00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:14,520
from NYC.

563
00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,700
He has literally led a movement on the East Coast

564
00:20:19,700 --> 00:20:23,040
and he literally saw an awakening breakout amongst

565
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,400
his youth group called Misfits NYC.

566
00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:26,540
He actually sent me some gear.

567
00:20:26,540 --> 00:20:27,480
They even have gear y'all

568
00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:28,800
when y'all get gear, you're serious.

569
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,160
And since that time, he and his wife, Jai,

570
00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,800
have become the lead pastors of saints church NYC.

571
00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:36,400
So welcome to the mic.

572
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,880
My good friend, Chris Dursow.

573
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,380
["Misfits NYC"]

574
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,080
Hey, keep your 100 tribe.

575
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,960
We have leader of saints church,

576
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,320
the author of the heist,

577
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,800
how grace robs us of our shame.

578
00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:00,120
My friend, Chris Dursow, what's going on, bro?

579
00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:01,400
Man, I am so well.

580
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:02,760
It's so good to hear you.

581
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,660
I'm so happy to be on this podcast with you.

582
00:21:04,660 --> 00:21:06,480
Thank you so much for having me.

583
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:07,720
Oh, absolutely, man.

584
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,560
There was no one that I would rather have on this episode

585
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,080
of what we're talking about in terms of

586
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,880
uncontestable identity.

587
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,960
So Chris, just tell me, man, you're on the East Coast, man.

588
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:19,920
What's it like right now?

589
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,240
What you seeing right now?

590
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,560
Yeah, I mean, it's tough right now in New York.

591
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,520
I mean, just like it has been for the whole world,

592
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,160
you know, COVID hit us, COVID hit us tough.

593
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,000
We had at least over two dozen people pass

594
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in this season due to the pandemic.

595
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,480
How to do the funeral for my best friend's mother.

596
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,160
And just a tough season, a tough season,

597
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:41,880
but like it is all around the world.

598
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But like you, we're believing that our best days

599
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:45,040
are in front of us.

600
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We know that God has great plans.

601
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:50,000
We believe that revival is about to break out

602
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,660
in churches all over the world.

603
00:21:51,660 --> 00:21:53,080
And it's gonna be special.

604
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,040
And I'm so excited for it.

605
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,080
I can feel the stirring in my spirit,

606
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:57,400
even now as I say to you.

607
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:58,600
I absolutely agree with you, man.

608
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:02,480
I so feel, Lord's has been dealing with me at Isaiah 53.

609
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,480
I usually go there for the, he took up our infirmities,

610
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,920
bore sickness by Jesus stripes and made a Isaiah 53, four.

611
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:10,360
But I believe it's verse two.

612
00:22:10,360 --> 00:22:13,560
It says like a tender shoot out of dry ground.

613
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And my whole premise that Lord's been dealing with me

614
00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:19,680
is that you deem dry ground the wrong nutrients

615
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,880
and the wrong circumstance for a tender blade of grass

616
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:23,720
to break through.

617
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,000
But it's because you judged it by the outside.

618
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:27,720
You saw how hard America is.

619
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,340
You saw how hard hearts are.

620
00:22:29,340 --> 00:22:31,440
But God has a tender blade of grass,

621
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,560
which is the context that's Jesus, the great revival

622
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,240
that he often breaks through.

623
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,080
So the whole thought of that, when I show that thought is

624
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,320
revivals are most likely when they're least likely

625
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,720
because part ground is neither the proper nutrients

626
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:46,840
or the optimal circumstances.

627
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,640
So I 100% agree with you.

628
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,280
So Chris, man, you wrote this book

629
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,440
and I highly recommend you go out and get this book,

630
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,240
The Heist, How Grace Robges of Our Shame.

631
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,200
I read this thing seriously in a night

632
00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:59,640
and the next day plane ride,

633
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,520
I was just so impacted by it.

634
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,240
It came from such a deep place, Chris.

635
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,000
That's why we're blessed to have you

636
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,160
because of your heart for God.

637
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,360
And we can probably talk about some other things,

638
00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:10,520
but let's jump in in this one.

639
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,280
How did you become solidified,

640
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,760
confident in your identity in Christ?

641
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,500
That's a big question.

642
00:23:17,500 --> 00:23:19,160
The irony of that question,

643
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,360
and you don't even realize this or know this,

644
00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:24,720
but I am actually sitting in my parents' house right now,

645
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,520
recording this podcast coincidentally.

646
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,680
I am sitting in the same spot

647
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,360
that when I was seven years old,

648
00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:33,760
Pastor Jim Symbola prophesied over me

649
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,560
and he said to me in front of my parents,

650
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,100
I had a learning disability.

651
00:23:38,100 --> 00:23:39,720
I was doing bad in school.

652
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,280
I was a troublemaker and he told my parents

653
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:43,520
not to worry about me.

654
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,320
He said that God's hand was on me

655
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,080
and that the God was gonna use me to be a pastor.

656
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,560
And I mean, tears are coming to my eyes as I'm saying it

657
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,440
because I didn't even realize until you just asked me

658
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,400
that question and I'm realizing where I'm sitting right now

659
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,360
as I'm having this conversation with you.

660
00:23:58,360 --> 00:23:59,640
Well, when I was seven years old,

661
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,480
I knew from that point forward

662
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:02,820
that I was gonna be a pastor.

663
00:24:02,820 --> 00:24:05,280
I spent a good amount of my life running from it.

664
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,160
My testimony was I did not want to be a pastor.

665
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,660
I grew up in a pastor's home,

666
00:24:09,660 --> 00:24:11,520
but I spent a good amount of my life running from it.

667
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:12,880
But the moment that my wife,

668
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,300
who was my girlfriend at the time,

669
00:24:14,300 --> 00:24:17,200
she said, why do you keep running from the very thing

670
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,400
we all know that you're called to do?

671
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,960
And it just, it hit me in that moment.

672
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,040
It hit me when she said, and I said, why am I running?

673
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,960
Why am I trying to avoid what God has called me to do?

674
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,760
And the reason why I frame it that way

675
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,640
is because purpose is tied into identity.

676
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,800
Your identity, I am not what I do, right?

677
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,920
But I am who I am called to be by Christ.

678
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:40,320
And that's a very big difference.

679
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:41,320
I'm not just a pastor.

680
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:42,560
No, I'm a man of God,

681
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,580
but I'm a man of God with an assignment.

682
00:24:44,580 --> 00:24:46,680
And I have an assignment to be a pastor.

683
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,360
I have an assignment to be a father.

684
00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:50,320
I have an assignment to be a husband.

685
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,000
I have an assignment to be a friend.

686
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,540
These are my assignments.

687
00:24:53,540 --> 00:24:55,480
And I would encourage every listener

688
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,720
that is listening right now to ask God

689
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,120
to show you what your assignment is.

690
00:25:00,120 --> 00:25:01,360
Because here's the truth.

691
00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:04,120
You do not get to be saved and not assigned.

692
00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:06,820
You are saved and you are assigned.

693
00:25:06,820 --> 00:25:10,460
And the goodness of grace is not only does he forgive you

694
00:25:10,460 --> 00:25:13,160
of sins and save you and make you safe in him,

695
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,000
but then he purposes you so that you could go out

696
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,160
and tell others, but you don't get to just sit

697
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,080
in his good graces.

698
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,840
He said, no, now that you know,

699
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,120
and now that you've experienced me,

700
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:25,000
I need you to go out and tell others.

701
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,120
I could do it, but I'm commissioning you

702
00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:29,040
because that's what brings me glorious God.

703
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:30,560
Man, that is so good.

704
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:31,800
You know, it's very interesting

705
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,200
because I read that in your book

706
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,520
and the way you're describing it

707
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,360
and the fact that you're sitting in the very spot.

708
00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:37,200
Man, I had chills.

709
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,520
That's so prophetic.

710
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:39,640
Jim Symbol is Word.

711
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,000
And I think about Chris the power, the prophetic,

712
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,160
and there's so many different things,

713
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,720
but when a true prophetic word comes,

714
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,880
it is obviously a declaration of divine intent,

715
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,200
but it carries a grace in that immediate moment

716
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,520
to upgrade you from wherever you're at

717
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,080
into the reality of the word.

718
00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:00,520
And so I so love that that word begin to brand you

719
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,960
towards that thing that God has for you.

720
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,800
And you're such a man of the word

721
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,240
in what ways maybe early on,

722
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,840
we're grabbing hold of the truths of God's word

723
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,400
as well as knowing your purpose.

724
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,160
How crucial was that into stepping in your identity

725
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,800
because you walk in a confidence, Chris,

726
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,920
those of us that know you see you preach, man,

727
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,720
you walk in a confidence

728
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,600
and it's a humility, it's a confidence,

729
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:24,800
it's not an arrogance,

730
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,640
but if people don't know who they are,

731
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,400
then they're either walking,

732
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,800
they're either strutting in pride

733
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,920
or they're languishing in this false humility, negativity

734
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,320
and not acknowledging who they are.

735
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,880
So how did you cross over in terms of

736
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,960
the word of God speaking to you?

737
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,520
Yeah, I think my personality, my personality,

738
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,560
I'm at Enneagram 8, Wing 9,

739
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:46,880
I don't know if you're into all that,

740
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,680
but it just means I'm a really strong personality

741
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,840
and I have no problem with confrontation

742
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,480
and I have no problem taking the bull by the horn.

743
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,880
However, I'm only able to do that

744
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,320
when I know what I'm dealing with.

745
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,840
So for me, if I know the word of God

746
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,960
and I believe the word of God,

747
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,000
then I'm gonna move forward with the word of God

748
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,200
and I'm not gonna pay attention to any other words.

749
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,160
That's how God designed me,

750
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,120
but from an early age,

751
00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:13,640
because I grew up in a pastor's home

752
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,440
and I grew up around Christians and prayer meetings

753
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,360
and services and all night prayer meetings and all of that.

754
00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:22,600
And experiencing and seeing it, but not understanding it,

755
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,920
I thought, well, I've had enough of the experience,

756
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,080
but what does the Bible say?

757
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,360
What does the word say?

758
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:29,040
And because I had a learning disability,

759
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,480
I had to read it for myself.

760
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,320
I could listen to preachers preach,

761
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,760
but as a kid, I didn't get it, I didn't make the connection.

762
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,960
So I would read the Bible for myself.

763
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,640
And then when I became a teenager,

764
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,560
I would have moments, I was on and off,

765
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,280
but I would have moments when I was on,

766
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,000
I was in that word and I was studying it

767
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,920
and I was chewing it and I wasn't hanging out

768
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,440
and I was just in the presence of God

769
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,320
and the same thing just followed all the way through.

770
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,840
And then when I learned about something called soap

771
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,120
and the Bible reading plan that came with soap,

772
00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:57,920
I didn't even know there were Bible reading plans.

773
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,680
And the more I started to learn

774
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,480
about the word of God and theology,

775
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,320
it just solidified why I would step forward.

776
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,320
And I think the thing that so often happens

777
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:08,480
with believers and Christians,

778
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,320
especially those that are willing to step out,

779
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,000
they receive the calling and God will do that for you.

780
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,400
But just because you receive a calling or assignment

781
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,520
that does not mean you've arrived,

782
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,280
you have to fill up your tank

783
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,280
and you have to keep growing as you go.

784
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,400
The whole reason why we are disciples,

785
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:24,240
what's a disciple?

786
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,600
It's a student teacher,

787
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,800
which means that we learn and we teach

788
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,200
and we teach and we learn and we learn and we teach.

789
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:31,920
We can't ever break that pivot.

790
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,280
So we as believers, we always have to be in that position

791
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,040
that we're learning as we're going.

792
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,080
There's the perfectionist that will listen to this

793
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,160
and say, well, I'm not going until I know it all.

794
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,560
And God's saying, but that's not how I operate.

795
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,520
I've called you, drop your nets, follow me.

796
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,960
This is why somebody could go from being a fisherman

797
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,440
to a disciple just like that.

798
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:52,920
He said, because I go with you.

799
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,400
And that's how God gets his pleasure.

800
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,680
When I think about identity, I think about Paul.

801
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,680
Paul is my favorite in the Bible.

802
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,520
You know, after Jesus, Paul is my favorite.

803
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,080
And what I love about Paul is that Paul would start off

804
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,720
his letters by saying, Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ.

805
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,240
He never pivoted any other way.

806
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,920
He'd let you know who he was.

807
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,000
This is who I am.

808
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,400
And I remember reading that going from the beginning.

809
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:17,960
If you were to read any of these letters,

810
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,440
you don't have to guess who Paul is.

811
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,560
You know that he's an apostle.

812
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,640
You know that he is saved by grace.

813
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,000
You know that his name is Paul

814
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,000
and that he's not who he used to be.

815
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,600
He's Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ.

816
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,640
He has no problem identifying his identity.

817
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,240
And somebody might hear that and go,

818
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,120
oh, I got to change my bio right now.

819
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,880
No, I'm not talking about going around

820
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,160
and switching up your LinkedIn profile

821
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:43,440
and putting all your title.

822
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,760
We don't need anybody else with any more titles.

823
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,440
But what I love about Paul is that he's confident

824
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,520
in knowing that he used to be Saul,

825
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,320
but man, now he's Paul and God has called him

826
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,280
to a Timothy or to this land or this region to preach.

827
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,600
And I think if we pay attention to those,

828
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,080
even those beginning verses,

829
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,440
we learn, man, there's so much there about identity.

830
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,640
Bro, that is so profound.

831
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:06,840
That's off the chart.

832
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,160
That whole idea that God uses your identity

833
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,920
is fuel towards where he's wanting to take you.

834
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,760
And then the whole understanding what he's saying,

835
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,520
I love this, Chris, I'm hearing you say too,

836
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,880
is oftentimes God gives us a designation

837
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,480
before it's our realization.

838
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,160
And the way that we realize is that we have to accept it.

839
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,680
So he calls us the righteousness of God

840
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,360
when we don't look very righteous.

841
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,560
He's saying to Gideon, you're a mighty man of valor

842
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,360
and you're beating wheat in the wine press

843
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,600
like practicing your golf swing in the closet.

844
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,280
He calls us something.

845
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:38,960
And so he gives us an identification.

846
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,080
So our behavior matches it rather than waiting for

847
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,880
our behavior to come to a certain level.

848
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,440
Then he gives us that title.

849
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,400
And Paul also identifies it's always by the will of God.

850
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,080
In other words, I didn't call me, God called me.

851
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,520
And if God called me and if he's God,

852
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,280
then if I can't grab confidence from that,

853
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:58,680
what are we even talking about?

854
00:30:58,680 --> 00:30:59,640
I didn't call me.

855
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,080
At any time I've had a moment

856
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,840
where I've gotten nervous about something,

857
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:03,880
maybe it was about preaching,

858
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:04,840
maybe it was about leading,

859
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,760
maybe it was stepping into a new season.

860
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:07,960
And then I realized, wait a minute,

861
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,880
I didn't kick down any door to be here.

862
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,840
God called me and God's not gonna call me and leave me.

863
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,880
No, God's gonna call me and grace me.

864
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,200
And that's some encouragement.

865
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,960
If God calls you, he equips you.

866
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,040
He sustains you with the grace

867
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,560
and goes with you as your obedient.

868
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,440
Man, I love that so good.

869
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,880
Chris, another question I wanted to ask you.

870
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,080
What are some of the battles in this generation

871
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,160
that you see as it relates to identity?

872
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,040
The battle, so I was just talking to someone

873
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,320
about this yesterday and they were saying,

874
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,040
you know, this generation is all purpose driven.

875
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,320
And I thought to myself, it's true,

876
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,600
but that's what they were.

877
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,280
They're still purpose driven,

878
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,320
but it's a different type of purpose driven.

879
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,960
Like there was a time where everybody was buying

880
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,680
certain shoes or they were putting on certain outfits

881
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,640
because they wanted to fit the part

882
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,360
of looking purpose driven.

883
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,360
But when I think of this generation,

884
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,640
I think about the fact that what they really want

885
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:03,640
is authenticity.

886
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,600
They want honesty.

887
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:06,960
They want to keep it 100.

888
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,480
Real recognize real.

889
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,520
And if they get it that way,

890
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,280
just tell me what I'm supposed to do.

891
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,640
Tell me what I'm supposed to be.

892
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,240
Hey, just cut the fluff and let's get to it.

893
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,040
And then the moment we get through that,

894
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,640
I'll go do whatever.

895
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:21,880
That's what I'm supposed to do.

896
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,680
Yeah, I'll operate in purpose.

897
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,240
But because of all of the reality television

898
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,080
and because of all the social media and the filters,

899
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,680
this generation is done with fake.

900
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,160
Like think about the moment where we found out

901
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,840
that reality television was staged

902
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,680
and it wasn't what we thought it was.

903
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,880
So this generation is so beyond that.

904
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,520
And because of the pace and how culture moves,

905
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,640
it has just only got them there quicker.

906
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,520
And the reason why even the entertainment industry

907
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,840
is gonna find themselves in such a debacle

908
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,360
is because you're not gonna be able to produce authenticity

909
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,280
because authenticity is authenticity.

910
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,480
It has to happen organically.

911
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,520
The other day I was talking to my wife

912
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,680
and we had gotten some bad news earlier that week

913
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,520
and it was just a really tough moment for us.

914
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,960
And I felt like I had just a hard time thinking

915
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,920
and I wrote an intro for the sermon

916
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,320
and had a preach the next day.

917
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,920
And I said, you know, honey, let me just read this to you.

918
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,120
And as I read it to my wife,

919
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,760
my daughter's there, my 10 year old daughter, Chloe.

920
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,320
And I said, you know, does this come off too harsh

921
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:24,200
or too direct?

922
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,880
And I already know that I kind of like go for it

923
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:27,720
when I preach.

924
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,800
So if I'm asking about my own stuff,

925
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,840
I'm thinking this might be too harsh.

926
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,560
And my daughter, Chloe goes,

927
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,680
dad, it's not too harsh.

928
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,400
It's good because you're getting to the point.

929
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,200
And then she says, I just hate when I hear preachers preach

930
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,000
and they're just talking all this other stuff,

931
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,760
like get to the point already.

932
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,200
And then she said, dad,

933
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,240
the fact that you get to the point that quick

934
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,000
will give you more time

935
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,360
to tell us what the scripture actually means.

936
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,480
Me and my wife looked at each other and we looked at her

937
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,720
because I wasn't thinking like that at 10 years old.

938
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,360
But this is how 10 year olds are thinking now

939
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,120
because of social media and YouTube

940
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,200
and everything they've experienced.

941
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,520
They are craving for 100.

942
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,240
It's no surprise to me, Sean,

943
00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:12,920
that your podcast is doing as well as it's doing.

944
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,520
It's this idea of let's be honest.

945
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,600
Let's throw out all this other jargon, all this other talk

946
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,480
and let's just be real.

947
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,520
And that is what a generation is craving.

948
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,480
That's what this world is craving.

949
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:26,400
You know, it's so true.

950
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,720
And I think we kind of came out of an era

951
00:34:28,720 --> 00:34:30,440
where it was about the show.

952
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,400
It was about you put on kind of like, you know,

953
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,920
them little memes that will come out on people's profile pics.

954
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,360
They would crop it and do all kinds of stuff.

955
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,440
They would photoshop it and get this.

956
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,200
But now you saw even on the gram,

957
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,720
you just see this shift where you see a lot of people,

958
00:34:44,720 --> 00:34:46,080
I'm gonna just show you no makeup.

959
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,520
I'm gonna show you how I really look.

960
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:48,560
I'm gonna show you how I do.

961
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,200
I'm gonna uncover stuff.

962
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,840
And I think it's so coincides with aspect

963
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,560
of when you're strong in your identity,

964
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:55,840
you can really be you.

965
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,280
You don't have to try to be something you're not.

966
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,760
It's codependent.

967
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,320
Like we think a codependency is somebody,

968
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,080
I'm gonna be in this relationship

969
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,400
and I'm gonna enable this person

970
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,240
because it really allows me to feel secure or whatever.

971
00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:09,960
But I think the simple definition of codependency

972
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,480
is that I'm living my life in a way

973
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,360
that I have to have your validation

974
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,560
in order for me to feel good about yourself.

975
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,280
And I feel like the message of identity Christ

976
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,280
delivers a person from codependency

977
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:22,480
in its classic definition

978
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,800
or even codependent Christianity

979
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,280
that we need the world to validate us.

980
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:28,760
When we already have a father in heaven,

981
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,120
he says, this is my son,

982
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,920
this is my daughter in whom I'm well pleased.

983
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,080
And when you start at that point,

984
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,320
all of a sudden you just think of all the opinions

985
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,240
of all men of all time or equal absolutely zero

986
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:41,360
at the end of the day.

987
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,760
So only gonna be the thumbs up from the master.

988
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,560
And so if I can get up every day

989
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,040
and live my life like that,

990
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,440
I'm not gonna have this image or distorted identity.

991
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,920
I can walk in the revealed identity

992
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,320
because here's the thing I'm learning is blowing me away is

993
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,200
our identity really is Jesus.

994
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,440
So if we could see it in Jesus, we could see it in us.

995
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,840
So in other words, the clearer we see the father,

996
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,800
the clearer you understand ourselves.

997
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,240
We were never meant to develop identity

998
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:10,040
outside of knowing our maker.

999
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,360
When my Mac goes down, I don't take it to Samsung.

1000
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,680
I take my Mac to Apple because they made it.

1001
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,080
They're the manufacturer.

1002
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,360
And so man, that's so profound.

1003
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,640
And I do, I see a generation and I believe that we're more

1004
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,120
in terms of emerging generation,

1005
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,400
it's more about the tribe.

1006
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,480
It's more about the people you're hanging with.

1007
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,000
It's more about who you identify with.

1008
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,520
But at the same time, we want that authenticity.

1009
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,200
And so I just love the way you phrase it.

1010
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,880
Here's the third final question for you, Chris.

1011
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,640
How does knowing your identity

1012
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,440
make you impactful for the kingdom?

1013
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,200
When somebody walks in the room and they're confident,

1014
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,880
whether everyone talks to them, they notice them.

1015
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,920
When you are confident, people look to you

1016
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,600
and want to learn what you have, who you are,

1017
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:55,600
and how you got there.

1018
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:56,720
Let me learn your rhythm.

1019
00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:57,920
What do you do in the morning?

1020
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,160
What books are you reading?

1021
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,200
You become a magnet to point people to the answer.

1022
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,240
When we get everything that you just said,

1023
00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:06,920
I could not agree with you more.

1024
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,160
My identity comes from Christ.

1025
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,240
I am no one else but a child of God.

1026
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:18,800
And if I attempt to live outside of the original version

1027
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,360
that God created me to be, it is the equivalent

1028
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,120
of trying to bring my MacBook Pro to Samsung

1029
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:25,960
to fix it.

1030
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:30,200
And where I do believe Great Revival is going to come

1031
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,320
is because so many people are so done

1032
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,000
and they've realized that there's a dead end

1033
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,560
to all these other lifestyles, fame.

1034
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,720
Think about how one season, fame was so far off

1035
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:46,520
for so many people, but now it's so tangible and easy.

1036
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,480
And I really believe the silver lining

1037
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,840
in the exposure of that is people are realizing,

1038
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,400
oh, I don't need to live for fame.

1039
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,360
It's not gonna do it for me.

1040
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,560
So if fame is not gonna do it for me,

1041
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,080
and that's what I thought I needed my entire life,

1042
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,680
now there has to be something.

1043
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,960
And if there's something and you're walking

1044
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,600
in your confidence and you are showing people Jesus,

1045
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,000
and they will look to you and they will say,

1046
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,080
show me what it is that you do when you are operating

1047
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,480
in your identity as a believer, as a saint,

1048
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,840
as a Christian, knowing that this is not my doing,

1049
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,440
but God's will, that allows me to be obedient

1050
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,880
to do whatever it is that God calls me to do,

1051
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,480
no matter how crazy it sounds,

1052
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,400
no matter how ridiculous it sounds,

1053
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,560
no matter how over the top it sounds.

1054
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,240
So if he says, go play in the church,

1055
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:34,480
if he says, go pray for that person for healing,

1056
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,520
if he says, open up your mouth

1057
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,640
and gives them this word of knowledge,

1058
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,880
call them right now in the middle of the night,

1059
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,480
and then you're now spot on

1060
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,320
because you're able to hit those things.

1061
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,280
You start to realize, oh my goodness,

1062
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,880
that voice that I'm listening to is the Holy Spirit.

1063
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,360
That's the voice I should have been listening to

1064
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,480
the whole time, not my insecurity, not celebrity,

1065
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,120
not culture, that's who I need to be relying on.

1066
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,240
And because I realized I could be confident

1067
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:02,440
because it's not me, it's God.

1068
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,000
And it gives me a voice that allows me to hear

1069
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,560
where it is that I need to go.

1070
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:08,520
Man, it's so powerful.

1071
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:09,720
I was just thinking too, Chris,

1072
00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:10,760
right along with what you're saying,

1073
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,440
I mean, you nailed it, bro.

1074
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,680
But the Bible talks about,

1075
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,920
I believe it's one of the major prophets,

1076
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,680
says, let not the mighty man boast in his might,

1077
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,800
let not the wise man boast in his wisdom,

1078
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,360
let not the rich man boast in his accruediments,

1079
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,520
but let the him who boasts, boasts in his head,

1080
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,840
he understands and knows me, said the Lord.

1081
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:30,960
And I was thinking about,

1082
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,800
what if we're talking about identity leading to impact,

1083
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,360
what if that day in Jerusalem, Peter and John

1084
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,760
are being asked by the beggar, hey, can I have some money?

1085
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,680
If their identity was in their IRA,

1086
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,680
was in their investment in Google,

1087
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,040
was in how much money they got,

1088
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,920
how they were running, what they were wearing,

1089
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,760
he would probably would have given them some money.

1090
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,640
But the fact is, he said, silver gold, I have not,

1091
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,120
I'm not defined by that.

1092
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,040
He says, but such as I have, I give to you,

1093
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,880
because I think when you know you have identity,

1094
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:01,920
you know you've got the resources of heaven,

1095
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,960
you're not limited to the resources of earth.

1096
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,320
And particularly at a time like this,

1097
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:06,560
like you were mentioned earlier,

1098
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,080
you know, in a time of pandemic,

1099
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,080
people of economies are affected.

1100
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,920
But the thing is, is if our identity is not based on that,

1101
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:14,960
because here's the thing,

1102
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,920
I think God wants our identity to be a conviction in us,

1103
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,080
because conviction in us must be greater

1104
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,160
than the circumstances that surround us.

1105
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,680
And that's what I hear you saying, man.

1106
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,720
You know, as it relates to having an impact, man,

1107
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:30,080
tell us something you're doing.

1108
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,760
I know you got Saints Church, you're over in the East Coast,

1109
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,400
and just let us know, Chris, how we could follow you.

1110
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,080
Yeah, you know, in this season,

1111
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,080
because we're all virtual and we're not able to open.

1112
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,320
So you could follow me, Chris Dersoe,

1113
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,880
on Instagram and Twitter, or Saints Church,

1114
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,240
Saints Church, NYC on YouTube.

1115
00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:52,120
And we just wanna help encourage and bless the body.

1116
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:53,320
That's the goal.

1117
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:54,920
I mean, let's make disciples.

1118
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,000
That's why I am so grateful for a podcast like this one,

1119
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,200
because it goes out into all the world

1120
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,840
and people get to listen to it from wherever they're at,

1121
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,560
and then they get to grow where they are.

1122
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,320
That's the beauty of this whole thing.

1123
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:07,920
You don't have to go somewhere else.

1124
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,520
You need to be planted where you are,

1125
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,040
and be that man, be that woman that God has called you to be.

1126
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,240
So let us encourage you as you're there.

1127
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:16,080
That is so awesome, Chris.

1128
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,080
Hey, we're so blessed to have you up, man,

1129
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,720
and be on the show, man, give Jai and the kids a big hug,

1130
00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:22,920
man, Chris and I love you.

1131
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,080
Can't wait till we're together in person again.

1132
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:25,920
Can not wait.

1133
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:26,760
Love you, thank you.

1134
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:27,880
Oh my goodness.

1135
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,440
Chris Dersoe is a man of wisdom.

1136
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,640
I love, he is just a straight shooter.

1137
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,640
He's vulnerable, he's honest, he tells it like it is,

1138
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,040
but I hope that the Keep It 100 Tribe really grabbed a hold

1139
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,360
of everything he just shared.

1140
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:42,880
That was incredible.

1141
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,000
That was mighty.

1142
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:44,840
You know what?

1143
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:45,920
I think we need to have him back.

1144
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,320
I would love it.

1145
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:48,520
I just love his voice.

1146
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:49,680
I love his perspective.

1147
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,200
We definitely have to have him on some future episodes.

1148
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:53,440
Keep it 100 Tribe.

1149
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,880
As always, we have our Keep It 100 takeaways.

1150
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,720
And this episode, we're talking about keys

1151
00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:01,000
of confident identity.

1152
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,520
First thing we wanna give you is you need to have a revelation

1153
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,360
of your significance and being convinced of your design.

1154
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,360
In the Bible, Jesus tells the parable

1155
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,040
of the pearl of great price.

1156
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,920
And to us, the pearl of great price is the kingdom

1157
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,240
that we are to by all means give up everything we can

1158
00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:19,480
that we can receive the pearl of eternal life

1159
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,560
and be children of the king

1160
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,160
and walk in kingdom lifestyle.

1161
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:24,600
But to God, you have to understand,

1162
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,240
you're the pearl of great price

1163
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:29,080
because God was willing to bankrupt all of glory

1164
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,480
by sending his son, Jesus, to die for you.

1165
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,720
I believe the devil looked up an utter shock

1166
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:37,040
to recognize that God himself would take the sins

1167
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,120
of all man of all mankind upon his life

1168
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,200
just so he could redeem us and purchase us.

1169
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,040
But you have to understand the value of anything

1170
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,720
is really based on the price someone is willing to pay for it.

1171
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:48,960
And God sent his son for you.

1172
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:53,120
You always need to keep in mind of your significance.

1173
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,720
You need to be convinced of your design.

1174
00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:57,880
See, self-esteem is how you see yourself,

1175
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,200
but self-worth is how you value yourself.

1176
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,160
And so I believe that the most important thing

1177
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,400
is understanding that you are significant,

1178
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,080
that you're not an accident in terms of how you were born.

1179
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,080
That you're not a person that no one values.

1180
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,000
It doesn't matter where you find yourself in life.

1181
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,120
There's a God in heaven that looks down on you

1182
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,880
and he sees value and he sees gold inside of you.

1183
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,840
I think what happens is if you're not convinced

1184
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,160
of your design, so often we make excuses for,

1185
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,360
as we talked about earlier, false identities.

1186
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,040
And you hear people saying, I can't help it.

1187
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,520
You hear people saying, I was born this way.

1188
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,360
Or I was raised this way.

1189
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,200
Or this is what I became after this person

1190
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,680
did this thing to me after that terrible accident.

1191
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,960
But let me tell you, you may have been born that way,

1192
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,840
but the good news is you can be born again this way.

1193
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,240
And what I mean by this way, now you can walk in freedom.

1194
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:50,640
Now you can walk in victory.

1195
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,880
Now you can experience fulfillment, joy,

1196
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,120
and a life with the most amazing person ever, Jesus.

1197
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,840
So understand that a key to confident identity

1198
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:01,400
is a revelation of your significance

1199
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:02,840
and being convinced of your design.

1200
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:03,920
I love that.

1201
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,640
Come on, that is so good.

1202
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,000
You know, the second key for a confident identity

1203
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:11,720
is your devotion to God.

1204
00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:13,080
That might sound simple.

1205
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,960
It might sound obvious, but friends, you and I know,

1206
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,240
we have to have an ever-deepening,

1207
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:20,280
intimate connection with Jesus.

1208
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,440
You have to guard it at all costs.

1209
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:23,260
Say that.

1210
00:44:23,260 --> 00:44:25,360
You wanna recognize when your relationship with God

1211
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,240
becomes polluted or diluted,

1212
00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:29,960
you and I know there is a disconnect

1213
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,400
and there is a opening for other things to come in

1214
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,800
to pull you away from God.

1215
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,320
There can never be anything more important

1216
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,120
than your relationship with Jesus,

1217
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,720
your ability to connect and engage

1218
00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:46,000
and really hear His voice.

1219
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,120
It's never been more important

1220
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,280
than I believe that it is in this hour.

1221
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,400
And I believe you have to relentlessly weed out,

1222
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,600
consistently go through this process

1223
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,760
of whatever is blocking your connection.

1224
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,800
You're being really intentional to keep your flow

1225
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,760
and your heart clear and connected with God.

1226
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,140
We can all agree, moving away from God

1227
00:45:06,140 --> 00:45:08,600
will not move you towards healing.

1228
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,560
You want healing, you want breakthrough,

1229
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,560
you have to lean into God, not away from God.

1230
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:14,920
Right, that's so true.

1231
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,960
Come on, last takeaway for having a keys

1232
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,880
to confident identity is having an understanding

1233
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,000
that your identity is what weaponizes your life.

1234
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,000
I love this.

1235
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,160
With this revelation, you are not passive,

1236
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,240
you're not on the sidelines, but you're active.

1237
00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:30,800
You're in the battlefield.

1238
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,160
Just like Apostle Paul,

1239
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,400
you resist and you rebuke like Jesus.

1240
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,360
Like Apostle Paul, you're an agent of change.

1241
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,120
You're not drifting, you're detonating,

1242
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,400
you're not conforming, you're transforming.

1243
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,760
You're not a spiritual survivalist,

1244
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,280
you're a supernatural revivalist.

1245
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,280
And I love that, because this is about being the head

1246
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:51,400
and not the tail.

1247
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,960
It's about being victorious and not a victim.

1248
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,120
It's about one that's walking in the confidence

1249
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:57,480
knowing who you are.

1250
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:58,800
I believe it's some listeners' day

1251
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,200
that are gonna rise up and be like,

1252
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,560
why the heck am I putting up with this or that?

1253
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,120
When I'm called to be a weapon for the things of God.

1254
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:07,120
100.

1255
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:08,480
Keep it 100, tribe.

1256
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,280
As we close out this episode,

1257
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,960
we want you to not only take away the truth

1258
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,880
in which we released,

1259
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,680
and I believe can really change and transform your life,

1260
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,800
but I want you to take some time with God today.

1261
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,240
I wanna challenge you to inquire with the Lord

1262
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:23,720
and say, Lord, are there things

1263
00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:25,680
that I'm listening to in my life?

1264
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,160
Are there voices or narratives

1265
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:32,240
that do not align up with your word and who you say I am?

1266
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:34,240
You know, don't just rush through this moment,

1267
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:37,000
but allow God to transform your mind

1268
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,760
and ultimately transform your identity.

1269
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,200
Friends, you have one life to live.

1270
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:42,600
That's it, one life.

1271
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,960
I believe you and I have the privilege

1272
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,040
to live that life in full freedom

1273
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,880
and full confidence who we are.

1274
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,440
It's time that we stop living

1275
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,000
in a sense of just tolerating who we are,

1276
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,680
but living in the celebration of who we're called to be.

1277
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,560
You and I are not an accident.

1278
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,280
You are born with a plan and a purpose.

1279
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,560
God designed you from the womb,

1280
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,560
so don't let the enemy have one more day.

1281
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,800
Don't give him any more airtime in your mind

1282
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,400
and don't give him any more real estate

1283
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,120
in your emotional capacity.

1284
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,920
From this day forward, together as a Keep It 100 Tribe,

1285
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,760
let's move forward in the fullness

1286
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,280
of who God's called us to be.

1287
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:20,920
Thanks so much, tuning in,

1288
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,880
and for taking the time to download another episode

1289
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:24,800
of Keep It 100.

1290
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,440
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1291
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,540
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1292
00:47:29,540 --> 00:47:32,800
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1293
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,400
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1294
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,120
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1295
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,560
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1296
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,160
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1297
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,960
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1298
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,560
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1299
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at Sean and Christosmith Ministries,

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and we'd love to hear how this podcast has impacted you.

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All right, Keep It 100 Tribe,

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next episode is going to be about

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one of the Smith's core values.

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Sean and I are talking about the topic of gratitude

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because we believe gratitude is so gangster.

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This is the truth that will revolutionize your life.

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And remember, relief may change your circumstance,

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but a revelation will change you.

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We hope you enjoyed today's episode of the Keep It 100

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podcast with Sean and Christosmith.

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Keep up with us on Facebook and Instagram

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and SeanandChristasmith.com where you can discover more resources.

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If this podcast has impacted you, please subscribe and review

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wherever you listen to your podcast.