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Welcome to Out of Zion with Susan Michael, an exploration of the Bible and the land of
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Israel.
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From ancient biblical sites to the story behind the stories, join Susan on a journey through
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the most exciting book on the planet.
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Hit the subscribe button for future episodes which will deepen your faith and bring the
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Bible to life.
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And now here's our host, Susan Michael.
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Well, hey there.
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Welcome back.
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This is the 3D Bible series, Part 7, on the God of the Bible.
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Now if you've been with me through this series, you know that previously we've spoken about
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a couple of what I call oversimplifications.
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And by oversimplifying things, sometimes we get into error.
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And today we're going to talk about another oversimplification.
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You know, when someone tries to debunk the Bible, they usually start with the Old Testament.
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And they will talk as though the God of the Old Testament is different from the God of
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the New Testament, that the God of the Old Testament is about war and judgment and brutal.
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But the God of the New Testament is all about love and grace.
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And I've heard many people say that, you know, the New Testament is about love and grace,
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whereas the Old Testament is about law and judgment.
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So this is what I call a gross oversimplification.
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And it's just not right.
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So I want to talk to you about the Old Testament, first of all, that it's not just about law
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and it's not just about judgment.
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It's full of grace and mercy.
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You know, first of all, we find grace and mercy in the law itself.
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When God gave the law, He provided sacrifice for the atonement of their sins.
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He wanted to forgive His people and He told them exactly how to come to Him and receive
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forgiveness.
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But you know, something that's really very touching in Exodus when the Israelites are
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in the wilderness and God is giving them the law and the commandments and telling them
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how to live in fellowship with Him.
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In Exodus 25, He tells them to build a mercy seat out of gold.
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And He tells them that that's where He wants to meet with His people.
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So this is what it says.
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It says, you shall build a mercy seat of pure gold.
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You shall put the mercy seat on top of the ark.
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Now we're talking about the ark of the covenant that was in the tabernacle.
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So you put the mercy seat on top of the ark and it says, there I will meet with you and
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I will speak with you from above the mercy seat about everything which I give you in
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commandment.
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So God wanted to meet with His people not on the judgment seat but on the mercy seat.
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That's beautiful.
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Now I want to look at how God describes Himself in the Old Testament.
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And there's a famous scripture, it's right in the same passage actually.
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God's revealing Himself to Moses so that Moses can then carry the commandments and
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carry the word to the people of Israel.
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And in Exodus 34, there's a passage here where God describes Himself to Moses.
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I want you to listen to this.
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It says, the Lord, the Lord God, merciful and gracious, long-suffering and abounding
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in goodness and truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgressions
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and sin, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon
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the children and the children's children to the third and fourth generation.
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Now you might be asking, what?
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Visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children?
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And I will say, this is a very difficult passage.
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This is repeated several times in the Old Testament.
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And it's a little hard for us to understand in our 21st century world of individualism.
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But there is something here about families and about the passing on from generation to
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generation.
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In another scripture where this is repeated, it says that for those that hate Him, so He's
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contrasting that for those who hate Me, that this will be passed on into the generations.
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But for those who love Me and obey Me, I have mercy and tenderness and graciousness.
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So yes, there's judgment for the guilty.
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But if there's no judgment, there's no mercy.
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You can't have mercy unless you're receiving mercy in place of something.
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And mercy comes in place of judgment.
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So yes, there's both.
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But what I'm, the point I'm making is that it's not all judgment.
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God is very loving and He puts into place how His people can walk in fellowship with
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Him and just experience His mercy and His forgiveness and His love and His goodness.
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Now you might be saying, okay, but how did the people of Israel see their God?
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I mean, they suffered a lot.
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They went through wars.
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They went through exiles.
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They went through all kinds of experiences and calamities.
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And how did they see their God?
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So I want to give you a couple of examples.
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And one is kind of a comical one, I think, and that's the story of Jonah.
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Now we all know the story about Jonah, but we don't always know the details.
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How did Jonah end up in that fish?
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And it's because God told him to go preach to the Assyrians in Nineveh.
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And Jonah didn't want to go.
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So instead of going northeast towards Nineveh, he went west, got on a ship, and was trying
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to go run in the completely opposite way.
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And troubles come.
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He ends up being thrown overboard.
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He's swallowed by this fish.
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And then he survives.
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He repents.
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He comes out of the fish and he goes to Nineveh and he preaches to the Assyrians.
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Now keep in mind, the Assyrians, it's a big, mean, powerful kingdom.
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They're not necessarily friends.
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And he goes and he preaches to them and they repent and they fast and they are forgiven
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for their sins.
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And so Jonah goes and he leaves the city of Nineveh and he's sitting out and this vine
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grows over him.
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It's really kind of a funny little story.
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He is so angry.
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And so he says this to God.
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He says, Lord, was not this what I said when I was still in my country?
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Therefore I fled previously to Tarshish for I know that you are a gracious and merciful
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God, slow to anger and abundant in loving kindness, one who relents from doing harm.
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Therefore now, oh Lord, please take my life from me.
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It's better for me that than to live.
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So I'm just telling you, Jonah knew how gracious and how forgiving God was and that's why
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he didn't want God to forgive his enemy.
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And he went through this whole evasion of the calling until he just had to go.
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And this is his response.
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Lord, I knew this was going to happen because I know how forgiving you are.
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Another example I'll give you.
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I mean, you know, there's so many examples I can give you, but there's a beautiful
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Psalm at Psalm 103.
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The whole Psalm is really beautiful, but I'm just going to read to you a few verses here.
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The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in mercy.
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He will not always strive with us, nor will he keep his anger forever.
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He has not dealt with us according to our sins, nor punished us according to our iniquities.
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For as the heavens are high above the earth, so great is his mercy towards those who fear
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him.
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So that's how the people of Israel saw their God.
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The Old Testament is full of mercy and forgiveness because God is a merciful and forgiving God.
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Now the New Testament, yes, it's full of love and forgiveness, but there's also judgment
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in the New Testament.
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I mean, let's face it.
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The whole reason Jesus came to earth, the whole reason Jesus came was to die to pay
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the price for our judgment.
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We were under judgment.
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We were supposed to die, and he took our place.
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So Bright Theor is judgment.
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Jesus had many sayings that pointed to judgment that was come.
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He said to them, fear, he who has the authority to cast into hell.
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He had other sayings.
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The apostle Paul said, it's a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
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In another verse, he referred to God as a consuming fire.
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So the summation is this, that all the authors of the Bible agree that God's love or forgiveness
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and God's judgment are two sides of the same coin.
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You can't remove one from the other, and you can't expect God to be all one or all
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the other.
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You know, it's like fire.
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Fire can destroy.
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Fire can also provide warmth, it can provide many things for us, but it just depends on
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where you stand in relation to that fire.
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So it all depends on where we stand in relation to our God, but both testaments are depicting
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the same God, full of love and mercy, but one who has promised judgment.
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You know, God's love and his judgment go together.
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I often think of this.
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Many of you are parents, so you're a loving father or a loving mother.
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Just think about it.
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If your child, if someone was mistreating your child or this child that you loved and
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you cared for, if you didn't get angry at the bully that was beating up your child every
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day at school, what kind of love is that?
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So we have to expect that if we're going to experience love and forgiveness, then that
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means that there is judgment on the other side of that coin.
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So now, God, let's talk about God for a minute.
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God is, we need to know God for who he is and not who we think he is.
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You know, we all tend to put God in a box and that box is based on our culture, our
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lives, our personality, our likes and our dislikes, because we want to like God.
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So we want him to be what we think is good and right so that we can like him.
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But we've got to get God out of the box.
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He is so much greater than our limited understanding.
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So take off your 21st century glasses.
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Take him out of your 21st century American society box that God has to be very kind all
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the time and well mannered and loving and forgiving.
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We don't like talk about judgment or about punishment or hell or even about war.
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We don't like these things.
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So we try to keep them out of the box.
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But take God out of that box.
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And what about the box of your personal experiences and relationships in life?
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Because many of us, we relate to God the way we relate to other authority figures in our
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life.
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And so if we had a really wonderful loving father like I did, then you relate to God
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as a loving, wonderful father and other people though that had a bad father or no father
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or had a terrible childhood don't know how to relate to God because they don't already
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have that precedent in their life.
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So they tend to put God in a box of what we relate to.
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You got to take him out of that box.
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And sometimes we put God in a box based on how we see ourselves.
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So if we suffer from rejection, then a lot of times we are afraid of God because we're
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afraid he's going to reject us or if we have insecurities or the opposite.
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We may have an ego that's as big as the room and it gets in the way of us really relating
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to God in the right way.
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So all these things limit us.
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We have got to come to know God for who he is and not based on all of our limited perceptions.
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Now also, you know, the God of the Bible is not like us humans and sometimes we try to
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see him as human, meaning we have certain limitations.
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One is time and space.
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I'm limited to being right here one place at one time in space.
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And I'm in, you know, the year 2020.
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I'm here in this time and in this space.
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And I don't know what's going to happen tomorrow or next year or 10 years from now.
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I can guess.
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But God is not limited to time or space.
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So God already saw the end in the beginning.
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He's not limited to time.
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He sees it all at once.
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He knows everything.
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He knows the beginning from the end and he sees it all at once.
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You and I just see today and then we can look back and we can see yesterday.
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But we can't see the whole picture.
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He also, you know, he's not limited to any one emotion.
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Think about it.
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We as humans, you know, I can really love someone and I can also be really angry at someone.
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But I can't really feel both at once.
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God feels everything at once.
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His love and his judgment is all wrapped up together.
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It's actually out of his love that he judges.
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And it's out of his judgment that he loves.
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He's wrapped up.
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He is so much bigger and so much greater than how we perceive because our minds are limited.
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We are limited in understanding.
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He is not.
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So the God of the Bible is absolutely sovereign.
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We see a sovereignty in the execution of his eternal plan that I've talked about in previous
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episodes.
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That amazing plan to redeem mankind, that story that I said began in eternity and ends
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in eternity.
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All through this story, he was using mankind in spite of his failures.
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He was using kingdoms in spite of them being evil.
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He used Egypt to save his people and feed them.
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He used Assyria to bring exile and Babylon.
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He used Persia to send his people back to the land to rebuild.
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He used Rome.
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Have you ever thought about it?
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He used the Roman senses to get Mary and Joseph from Nazareth to Bethlehem for the birth of
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Jesus.
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Our God is so great.
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He is so sovereign.
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He is so above the affairs of the earth.
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He is busy at work in all of us.
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He's not limited by anything that you or I may think or say or do.
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There is nothing that happens in this universe that is outside of God's authority.
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So I want to encourage you to seek the Lord for who he is because in Jeremiah it promises
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Jeremiah 29, 13, the Lord says, And you will seek me and find me when you search for me
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with your whole heart.
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If you really want to know who this God is, then just search for him from the bottom of
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your heart.
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Say, God show me who you are.
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And He has promised that if you seek Him, you will find Him.
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My prayer for you is that you will come to know Him as He is revealed in the Bible and
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through His names.
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If you do a study just of the names of God in the Bible, you will find the richness of
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His attributes and His character and His great acts.
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And my prayer for you is that you will come to know that God, the God El Elion, the Most
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High God, El Shaddai, the Lord God Almighty, El Olam, the Everlasting God, Jehovah Ra'a,
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the Lord my Shepherd, Jehovah Ra'afa, the Lord who heals, Jehovah Tsikhanu, the Lord
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our righteousness, and Jehovah Mikhodishkem, the Lord who sanctifies you, Jehovah Jaira,
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the Lord who will provide for you, Jehovah Shalom, the Lord your peace, and Jehovah
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Sabaot, the Lord of hosts.
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In the New Testament, he's known as the God of the Fathers, the Father of Mercies,
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the Father of Glory, Majesty on High, the Almighty, the Creator, His Alpha and Omega,
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the Beginning and the End.
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That is the God of the Bible.
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Join me here again next time.
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We're going to wrap up our 3D Bible series and talk about what this all means for you.
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See you back here then.
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God bless.
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