Bonhoeffer Declaration: Christians Stand with Israel with Robert Stearns

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October 7th will go down in infamy as the day that more Jews were killed in a single day

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than any day since the Holocaust of the 1940s. Hello everyone, I'm Stephen Strang and today on

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The Strang Report, my guest is Bishop Robert Starnes who has written something called the

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Bonhoeffer Declaration. It's a commitment that Christians can make to stand up against evil.

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You know, there's been so much anti-Semitic rhetoric and horrible things have happened

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while they're fighting for their very survival against Hamas. And this is an opportunity for

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Christians to sign this declaration and to make a commitment to pray and to learn and to act.

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I want you to stay tuned for my very interesting interview with Robert Starnes and to find out how

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you can sign this commitment too. I'm Stephen Strang and this is The Strang Report.

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Welcome back and welcome to my longtime friend Bishop Robert Starnes who's talking to me from

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Jerusalem, Israel about a very important anniversary that's coming up on October 7th.

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And it sparked a vision or at least I'll call it that something called the Bonhoeffer Declaration

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that is intended to show that Christians are standing with Israel. Robert, it's good to see

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you again. We've known each other for I don't know how many decades, three or four decades at least,

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and I so admire what you're doing. So tell us about the Bonhoeffer Declaration and why you're

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doing this. Steve, it's great to see you my friend and such an honor to be with you on the podcast.

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You know it's one year since the October 7th massacre which was the greatest loss of Jewish

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life, the deadliest day for the Jewish people since the Holocaust. And rather than that atrocity

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unlocking a sense of empathy and support for the Jewish people worldwide and for the state of Israel,

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the opposite occurred. And we saw you know out points of hate on campuses like Columbia and

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Harvard and we've seen radical radical parts of the American Congress you know take a stand

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against Israel. It seems Steve as though the world is upside down. And so when you dig into history

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you see that a generation ago as Hitler rose to power there was one courageous pastor in Germany

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by the name of Dietrich Bonhoeffer and he prophetically sensed and understood the existential

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danger that Hitler posed to all of Germany and specifically the danger that the Jewish people

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were in. And Bonhoeffer sought to unify and rally the church. Steve there were 18,000 churches in

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Germany as Hitler rose to power. Amazingly, unbelievably, 3,000 of the churches sided with

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Hitler. And of course we see today in America places that are still calling themselves churches

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but they are anything other than Christian. There's nothing remotely biblical about them.

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So 3,000 churches sided with Hitler even as we see these radical so-called churches today in their

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position. 3,000 churches sided with Bonhoeffer but Steve 12,000 churches decided they were going to

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stay neutral. 12,000 churches said we don't get involved in politics. We're not going to make any

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comment. We don't want to offend anybody in the pew. And because Bonhoeffer was not successful

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in awakening and mobilizing those 12,000 churches, Hitler rose to power. And not only did 6 million

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Jews die but globally 60 million lives in total were lost during World War II because the church

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was not able to rise and unify and stand against this evil. So the Bonhoeffer declaration today is

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saying that a generation later as we see the unholy alliance of cultural Marxism, radical left

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Marxism coming into collusion with radical Islam, we're saying that we are not going to be silent

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again. The church is going to raise their voice and the Bonhoeffer declaration is an invitation

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not only to pastors and leaders but to everyday Christians, to all of us to unify and take a stand

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on the right side of history. Well I think this is so important and I read Eric Metaxas' five or

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six hundred page tome called Bonhoeffer which if my viewers have not read it, you really need to

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because it's just it's historical and it's inspiring and it also lets us see what will happen

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if Christians today are silent. So you've named your declaration in his honor but why don't you

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talk to me about what it is because this is something that you're releasing on October 7th

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to show some kind of solidarity with the Jewish people. So kind of walk us through that and also

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before the podcast is over we want to tell people how they can sign this as I have. As soon as I

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found out about this a few days ago I said I want to sign this and of course you've got a lot of

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other Christian leaders who have signed it but also average people have signed it. So talk to me about

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what it says. It's a little bit too long to actually read. Sure absolutely. Well we're so

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blessed Steve. First of all thank you for your leadership and joining on board. We have been

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amazed at the broad diversity of support that the document has received just all across the board.

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African-American denominations, Hispanic, you know Pentecostal, Mainline. We really have

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extraordinary breadth of leadership and diversity because this is not you know a Republican or

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Democrat issue. This is a human transcendent issue. If Jewish people can't feel safe in America

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wearing a kippah or wearing a star of David what in the world have we come to? And so the

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declaration as you say takes us through a number of different points. I believe there's seven

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different calls to action that just focuses the church and gives us a language for this moment

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of how we need to respond to what I genuinely believe. And honestly Steve if I could somehow

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reach through the camera and just you know gently shake the shoulder of the person on the other

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side whoever's listening to this. We are in an existential threat in America. You know when

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elected officials take their oath of office they swear to uphold the constitution and to

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protect us from all enemies both foreign and domestic. The past 24 hours here in Israel

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as we're filming this right now there has been the death of Nasrallah the head of Hezbollah.

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This is one of the most bloodthirsty vicious killers of the last generation responsible for

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responsible for goodness knows how many hundreds if not thousands of deaths over his 32 year reign

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of terror including the 1983 bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Beirut. And Steve if you go onto American

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citizens social media you see that there literally are American citizens who are you know calling him

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a freedom fighter and criticizing Israel for his removal. This is an upside down world that we're

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in and so the declaration takes us through step by step the kind of commitments that everyday

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Christians like you and me you know every leader we're all everyday Christians every single one of

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us are normal people following Jesus normal people with a supernatural savior but taking us

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through those steps how do we need to be educated prepared praying speaking out holding our local

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churches and the denominations that were a part of accountable because again the sin of the last

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generation was the sin of silence. Steve Dietrich Bonhoeffer said this he said silence in the face

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of evil is evil itself and so we don't have the luxury and Steve I just it has blown my mind I

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got an email this week from a pastor well you know we've chosen to let people make up their

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own minds on these issues we don't we don't really speak out or get involved.

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I don't know what Bible you're reading I don't understand where you're living if you don't have

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the moral clarity and courage to speak out on vital biblical issues how do you call yourself

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a spiritual leader so the the the declaration takes us through seven key points and Steve

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if I can just have one more minute I want to say this one of the points is

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you know it deals with the fact that we're we're aware of the suffering of the Palestinian people

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we are to be pro-Israel is not to be anti-Palestinian I stand up regularly and I'm

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one of the leaders in the the body of Christ on behalf of Israel I regularly stand up in

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pulpits and say I'm pro-Israel I'm pro-Palestinian I'm pro-people the fact of the matter is that

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the Palestinian people have been railroaded and dehumanized by Hamas's grip over them

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and that has to come to an end so that there can be a future and a hope for the Palestinian people

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so we're calling the body of Christ to awaken get educated get mobilized and unified on behalf of

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the Jewish people well I have here the commitment in front of me is called the Bonhoeffer

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declaration people can see it at bonhoeffer.org and like I said it's too long to read in a short

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podcast like this but people can go and get it and it starts with our commitment to act

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and then as you said there are seven different points a commitment to humility and there's

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explanation on each of these and then the commitment to stand against evil the commitment

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to pray which you mentioned the commitment to speak out the commitment to educate the commitment

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to civil discourse and bridge building the commitment to community advocacy and then it

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ends this way it says our resolve we resolve to live the aforementioned commitments by the

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grace of God we understand that to do so may require great sacrifice of ourselves just as did

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Dietrich Bonhoeffer who ultimately paid with his life we soberly consider Psalms 15 for which

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tells us that God honors those who keep an oath even when it hurts and does not change their mind

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to that end we signed this Bonhoeffer declaration and I've signed it people can sign it I guess

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online you said that you told me earlier there were about a thousand people a day signing it

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we need that's why I did this podcast is I wanted to give people an opportunity and to call

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attention to this I know it's going to be in the media in other ways but what else can you tell us

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about this and what people can do well two things that kind of come to mind is that we need to be

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kind of open to questions that come to mind I'm so glad you asked number one and I believe it's live

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now it should be we're rolling this out in Spanish in Portuguese and several other languages that are

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coming out because this is really a global call and so people can find that there's going to be

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a link there on the website bonhoeffer.org but the second thing I want to say Steve is this we're

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springboard as we launch what is called really relaunch because my spiritual father and mentor

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pastor Jack Hayford before he passed away he called me to Los Angeles to his home

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and pastor Jack had started years earlier a ministry called the Israel Christian Nexus it was he and

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Chuck Smith and an Israeli man named Shimon Aram and it was just a coming together place of

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rabbis and pastors to come together in friendship and dialogue and respect their theological

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differences but begin to work together on the things that unite them and so we are launching

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uh out of this one year commemoration it's hard to even call it an anniversary it's such a sobering

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tragedy really but a memorial I think is a good you know this one year memorial of the October 7th

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Massacre we will be relaunching pastor Jack's pastors network called the Israel Christian Nexus

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we believe it's going to be the largest pro-Israel pastors network in America

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and we're right now having a number of zoom calls and if you're a pastor watching you can email our

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office we'll get you an invitation I just had 240 pastors last week on just one of the many zoom

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calls we've had but that is going to lead to January the 26th where we will be launching what

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is known as Solidarity Sunday what is Solidarity Sunday on January 26th the week of January 26th

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is International Holocaust Remembrance Day International Holocaust Remembrance Day and Steve

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this is what struck me you've been to Israel many times you've been to Yad Vashem the Holocaust

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Remembrance Center again horrible to call it a museum but it's it's the world center for Holocaust

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remembrance and there's all kinds of Holocaust education programs that come out of there and

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Steve what struck me is this the Holocaust happened in Christian Germany this was a Christian

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nation with a literal state church a Christian state church and then extended out to the rest of

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Europe it is not the responsibility of the Jews to teach Holocaust education it's the responsibility

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of the church it's the responsibility of Christians to educate our children and grandchildren on the

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horrors of the Holocaust and on where anti-Semitism leads because anti-Semitism never stops with the

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Jews anti-Semitism is a first symptom of overall societal decay and danger and so January 26th

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we're believing for 100 churches across America that will be hosting Solidarity Sundays where

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Jewish leaders will come into the church with the pastors and tell the stories of October 7th

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tell the stories of their Holocaust survivor parents or grandparents tell the story of what it

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is like to be a Jew and experience the kind of anti-Semitism that we've seen this year Steve

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the Anti-Defamation League just announced that 2023 is by far I think it's I think it's up 700%

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the amount of anti-Semitic attacks it's the largest year since they've been recording this

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I think they started in 1979 this is happening on the church's watch so October 7th the Bonhoeffer

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Declaration will go live in Jerusalem and we'll be inviting really the whole world to get involved

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with this then over the next months we'll be launching the Israel Christian Nexus which

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will be our pastors network we believe right now looking at the numbers we believe there'll be at

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least 500 I think it's going to be closer to a thousand pastors just in our initial launch

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and that will lead to our January 26th our very first we're praying it's going to be annual our

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Solidarity Sunday that the Christian Church takes the responsibility of educating the next

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generation about the evils of anti-Semitism you know I'm glad that you're doing that and of course

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you know because we're friends that I was also very close to Jack Aford and it's wonderful that

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this his legacy has been continued in this way and I've been involved in different ways at different

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times with pro-Israel things I my first trip to Israel was 1979 and it's hard for me to understand

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how anyone who believes the Bible and who believes in Jesus cannot see that Israel is God's chosen

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people and as part of his plan for humanity and certainly the plan for the end of time in fact

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Jonathan Cahn's new book the Dragon's Prophecy talks about the Israel Hamas war and in a very

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in a very creative and believable kind of way explains how it's part of God's plan with what's

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happening in the world leading toward the end of time it's really something that people should

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check out if they haven't done it but why do you think that there are still people who are passive

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what what advantage is there you know to me this is like saying that you're not for sunshine and

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happiness and little children I mean it who would be against God's chosen people because

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you know even though there's these radical people that you mentioned at Columbia and Harvard and so

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forth those people are not particularly persuasive in the church there's no reason for

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the church to kowtow to those kind of extremism is why does it that makes him passive I think

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I think I think there's several answers to that question Steve but some of the first that come to

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me is we do see right now the rise of replacement theology beginning to seep into our seminaries

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beginning to come into our churches this idea that you know God has replaced his covenant with

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Israel and done away with it and Steve can I just say this you know people you know Stearns he's that

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Israel guy I'm not the Israel guy I'm the Bible guy like the question of Israel is not about Israel

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just work with me for a second the question of Israel is not about Israel it's not about the

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Jewish people it's about the character and nature of God does God keep his promises is God faithful

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does God move throughout history with signs and wonders that we can track along with sacred and

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covenantal history so when you begin to chip away and you begin to discard the Israel piece out of

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sacred narrative you're discounting the very character and nature of God if God can so easily

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break his promise to Israel cancel his covenant to Abraham what makes you think that your covenant

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with God is secure I don't know what God these people are serving God by very definition is

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faithful a covenant keeper we can trust his word if not we begin to drift into a God who is after

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our own making after our own image so replacement theology is an issue secondarily this this lens of

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social justice has come like some kind of spell it's been cast as a spell over American society

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and we're viewing everything as oppressed versus oppressor and victim versus victimizer and the

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powerful versus the powerless and you know that's just kind of the worldview that has seeped in

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through the American educational system and so if you don't have feet on the ground here if you've

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not actually been here and understand the macro picture of the reality here it's easy to see

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Israel is Goliath and the Palestinians are David that's what it can look like to someone at a first

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glance who doesn't do the diligence of understanding the history understanding the facts

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understanding the current day reality and that is why every single Christian should absolutely

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purpose at least once in your life come to Israel I tell people Steve don't come on a don't come as a

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tourist come as a pilgrim come on a holy journey with the Lord visit the land of covenant so these

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are some of the different reasons Steve replacement theology social justice all of these different

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factors seep in and begin to minimize our and then the final one that I'll mention is I have never

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seen I've been a Christian my whole life I have never seen the church at a lower place of biblical

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literacy in my life far too many churches are preaching 17 minute messages where a lot of times

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Steve a Bible verse is not even referenced it is a very me centered pop psychology centered feel

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good kind of message and deep biblical literacy we talk about a Jack Hayford you talk about an

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R.T. Kendall you talk about folks who are students of the word deep biblical literacy is no longer

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present in so many of our churches and so much of American Western Church culture and so if you're

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not studying the stories of the Bible you're not going to be very interested in the people or land

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of the Bible so these are I think a few of the reasons of why we're seeing this challenge in our

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time well as we wrap up this short podcast I want you to pray pray for the church pray for Israel

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and then after you pray I'll be back with a few closing thoughts absolutely father I thank you

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for this opportunity to come together today as the family of God father I thank you for Steve I thank

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you for his life's work God he's been a shofar who has sounded a clear message to the body of Christ

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for decades and Lord as we gather together on this podcast God I'm reminded of the verse in Isaiah

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that says for Zion's sake I will not be silent for Jerusalem's sake I will not be still until the Lord

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establishes Jerusalem and makes her a praise in the earth Psalm 122 6 pray for the peace of Jerusalem

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may they prosper who love you God we ask in the name of Jesus who you chose to be born as a Jew

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we ask in his name in Yeshua's name that there would be a global alignment that would come within

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the church that Jerusalem would be as a plumb line stretched out over the body of Christ and that

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there would be alignment that comes to our theology to our prayer to our liturgy to our relationships

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God bring the church into the place of alignment with your people with your city with your timetable

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in this hour we ask father I pray for America as we hang in the balance with this election God

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would you have mercy upon our nation and would you turn America back to the roots of our faith

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this nation God we just a few days ago uh Lord celebrated the uh I think it was the 230 year

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anniversary or 270 year anniversary of the first Jews the first 27 Jews who came to America this

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nation was founded on Judeo-Christian principles and worldview God would you turn us again we ask

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we pray this in the name of Yeshua Hamashiach Jesus our Messiah in his name amen I hope that

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you'll go to Bonhoeffer.org that's Bonhoeffer B-O-N-H-O-E-F-F-E-R.org where you can sign the

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commitment I've already signed the commitment I've gone to the website I will tell you there's

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another website called D Bonhoeffer which is more about the historic figure of Bonhoeffer but

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just go to Bonhoeffer.org there's a place you can read what you're signing and then there's a place

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