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Have you ever felt like someone did something to you that was so bad that it deserved justice?
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You wanted to be vindicated
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Well, you know there are things that happened to all of us that some are more dramatic than others and my guest today is
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Jennifer Leclerc who actually was falsely
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arrested went to prison
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Just had some horrible things happen to her and it's resulted in her writing a brand new book that we're gonna talk about today called
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Vindicated there's also a brand new movie about it
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And if you stay till the end of the podcast today, we're gonna show a clip of the movie
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Her story is very inspiring and I think it'll help you to understand
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How you can put this into God's hands how you can forgive and how you too can be vindicated
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Be sure to stay tuned today to the Strang report. I'm Stephen Strang
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Welcome back and welcome Jennifer Leclerc you and I have worked together for many years
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I'd have to count on my fingers how many
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But one of the things I like to do with my podcast is to introduce my viewers and listeners
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To leaders and people who are making a difference in the spirit field or sometimes we call it the spirit led or charismatic
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Community and you certainly are that because you have not only a gift to write and you've written this new book called
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Vindicated that we're gonna talk about today, but you also have a prophetic ministry and also a prayer ministry
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So let me start by asking you
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Why you wrote this book called vindicated?
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Well, thanks for having me Steve. It's always a joy, you know vindicated I believe that every person
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Wants to see God's justice of their life and we're in a time where you know, people are being betrayed
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There's injustice everywhere and I believe
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People need a blueprint for vindication people need to see that God is their vindicator and
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How do we go about positioning ourselves rightly to see God's vindication in any and every area of our life?
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I think there's material on that in the body of Christ is sorely lacking and there was an opportunity to use part of my story
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To inspire people that if God can vindicate me he can vindicate anybody
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Well because you and I are friends and we work together on charisma for so many years
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I know your story and it's one of the most incredible stories I've ever heard
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I can remember thinking that back when I first heard it, but you were in
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Prison your husband abandoned you
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You got saved
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Tell us the story of what caused you to need to be vindicated and how did God vindicate you?
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Yeah, you know vindication really the story of my life it goes back to you know, I wasn't saved
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I married a mormon didn't know that mormonism was not Christianity
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He had his own issues and he came home one day just in a rage and
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Began to throw plates and dishes. I became afraid and called the police
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This was actually steve back at during the oj simpson trial this how long ago it was people
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Sometimes people think I have to give that context because they think this happened to me five years ago
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No, this was this was 25 years ago and the police came and they arrested me
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And him and the officer the police officer and I want to say I believe most cops are wonderful cops
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But there are some bad eggs out there just like anything else this officer
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Because I looked kind of wild. I had crazy hair and all these things
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She took exception to me and she said that she was going to accuse me or essentially
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She said she started beating me and I said, please stop and she said shut up or i'm going to say that you hit me
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And I said I I didn't hit you. I I please stop hitting me and she long story short
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She arrested me charged me with resisting arrest with violence and battery and a law enforcement officer
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And I was facing 10 years in prison and a few years later
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My husband ran off with a woman about half his age and started a whole new family in central america
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Never saw him again. I haven't seen him in 25 years and you know one thing led to another
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I mean it was just every area. I had no credit. I had no money. I had no career
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I lost literally everything and when I went to jail the bill glass ministry was there
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And they were giving testimonies women were giving testimonies of how god encountered their lives and
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That pricked my heart and I said yes to jesus and immediately just started devouring the word of god
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So that's it. That's it in a nutshell
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It's we go into it a lot more in the book and people's jaws will drop when they hear about the columbian drug lords
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The the murder plots all of the things that I endured all the things I walked through and god is my vindicator
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Well, I happen to know bill glass
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We covered him in charisma. I
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Spent some time with him got to know him had a lot of respect for his ministry and to think that it was his ministry
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That impacted you and hopefully this book will be a little bit more
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Will impact many other people
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Before we get into talking about the book just walk through a little bit because here you you were so low
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But the lord used you the lord raised you up because by the time you started working with us
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At charisma magazine you were already in the prophetic. I can remember that
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that's one of the things we liked about you because you you
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understood the prophetic you understood the different ministries
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And you could use your journalistic skill and you were a journalist. Tell us a little bit about your background
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And you could help us cover it because charisma magazine is not just covering things like normal journalists
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We're doing it from a spiritual perspective
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So just walk us through a little bit and then I want to go through the book
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It's got 30 easy to read chapters and I want people to be motivated to get your book
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Yeah, you know I got saved in 2001 and I was very successful
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I was very successful journalist at the time. I was actually working with cbs with a property called office.com
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I was a project manager and I had about 30 writers who reported to me. I was very young
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And I was very successful and when I got saved all I wanted to do was write for jesus
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I thought this is my gift. This is what I want to do
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But when I got saved, of course, I had no word in me had no root in me. And so I didn't have
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Any experience I couldn't write I tried to write for joyce meyer ministries charles stanley
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I was looking for someplace to write so
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Over the years, I just kept doing my journalism thing and I ended up at the top
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1% earners in my field as a freelance journalist in my realm. I wrote for real estate magazines technology magazines
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As a single mother and was very very prosperous
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and around about 2010 I had left a
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abusive church a spiritually abusive church and I had been a freelancer with with charisma and
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Um marcus yours actually and one of your editors actually sent me a blank email
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You've never heard this story and the email was blank and I wrote back and I said, you know
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Did you guys need something they said well our news editor has been reassigned and we're looking for a new news editor
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Are you interested in the position and I said?
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Yes, and it's not like it's a right for the lord. This is my dream come true right being a
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Even writing for charisma magazine much less being on the editorial staff
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Dream come true. It was the total hand of god and we started working together and over the years. I think we did some significant work
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it was some of the
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best years of my life in my career before I entered full-time ministry one of the thrills of my life and so
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We did a lot of great things together and god, you know
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You never knew this but you were actually part and your platform of charisma was part of of my dream
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And i'll be forever grateful to you for that
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And you were part of our dream too because you helped us to make the leap from
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just print into online and
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Got us on facebook and a whole lot of other things. I remember back in that era. We
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You know, everything's happening so fast. It's almost like one or two lifetimes ago, isn't it?
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Everything is happening. But let's get back to vindicated you god vindicated you there's a lot of people
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Who have things in their lives where they want justice from god now?
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Very few people would have the odyssey that you had exactly
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But it in a way it doesn't matter because everyone's got problems and we can all get attitudes
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We can let it affect us spiritually. We can uh, let it get depressed over it even fall away from the lord
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So why does it in your book that you help will hope will connect with people?
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I think one of the biggest things is
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Not to try to vindicate yourself
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Um, that's the temptation. It's the immediate temptation. That's what the enemy wants us to do because once we take vengeance into our own hands
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Then we have forfeited god's vindication and one of the things I had to learn early on was forgiveness
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You and my husband left
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I mean I hated him hated him and not so much for my sake
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I was we were having marriage troubles already. I was happy to see him go but not that way because it affected my daughter
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You know, she then had no father that wasn't how I imagined the separation and I was so bitter
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Steve that I he was a freelance photographer and I would handle his bookings and I would write my screenplays do different things
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And they called me on the phone. They said hey, we'd like to book your husband to come shoot this, you know
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Job and I said, oh, you know, he's he's dead
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You know, I was so bitter. I said he's dead and they said oh my gosh. I'm so sorry to hear that and I said well
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He had it coming to him and they were they were just shocked and silent. That's how bitter I was
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And when we stay bitter, we can never get better and I had to
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Really have an encounter with lord if I hadn't gotten saved
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I probably would have been a very miserable person for the rest of my life
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But god when he encountered me in that jail, I immediately forgave my ex-husband
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And not only that when I got out of jail after the 40 days
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When I got out of jail after god overturned all of the charges against me. I actually tracked him down in another nation
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Because I was so concerned for his soul and I preached the gospel to him and he didn't receive it
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But I was free and I was cleared and if you don't forgive you king
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Get vindicated and I think that's a big issue in the body of christ with unforgiveness what you don't know what they did to me
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Well, I might not know what they did to you
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But I know what people did to me and I really truly believe i've got some wisdom from the lord on how to walk through this process
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in a way
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That positions you for double for your trouble
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Triple for your trial for payback and that's what we're looking for the people the people can't pay us back
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But god can pay us back if you'd ever told me I'd never pay us back
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But god can pay us back if you'd ever told me I'd have been
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The you know editor charisma magazine at what at one point that I would have a prayer movement in 100 nations
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That I would travel the world
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I never would have believed it god has repaid me far more than I ever lost and I believe this book really does hold the keys
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And if you'll put them in place and turn them you will see god's justice in every area of your life
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Well, I have interviewed many people over the years as you would know
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Uh, not very often do I get to interview people who used to work for me in a matter of speaking
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Even though you were literally a freelancer
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But you were certainly part of our team for seven or eight years
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And to be able to say I knew you back then and I remembered as I just
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Heard about your story not from a book, but just from knowing you I was amazed jennifer
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That you did
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Your spirit seemed clear. Maybe i'm not saying it too well
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Usually when people are bitter and have unforgiveness
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Everybody around them knows it
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But you weren't like that. In fact, it almost made your story hard to believe
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As if you were exaggerating somehow, but I know you weren't
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But let me ask you a question that I meant to ask you earlier
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A lot of people might not literally know the definition of the word
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vindicated
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so
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Why don't you tell us exactly what you mean and how it relates to the book?
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Yeah, vindicated vindication is promised first of all throughout the bible. We have so many instances joseph david again and again
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Vindicated vindication is when god takes up your case and rules in your favor. God is a judge, right?
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He's not just the bridegroom the king. He's the judge not just the creator. He is the judge and
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And when we say yes to his heart, he has a covenant with us and part of that covenant includes protection
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You know, it's not just salvation. He's our judge. He is our defender. He is our protector
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He has all of those things and he wants to make the crooked places straight
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He wants to make the wrong things right and so when we
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Roll that burden that care over on him and say lord, you know
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What they did to me was I mean even as christians all of us all of you are watching
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There people still do wrong things. Sometimes it's other christians that do wrong things to us
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And when we when we say lord, you are a just judge righteousness and justice are are the foundation of your throne and I believe
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That when you say vengeance is mine
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I'll repay when you say that you will give me double for my trouble when you say you will you will you give me a two full
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recompense
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I choose to believe you and everything by with god is by faith
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So what pleases his heart when we say i'm going to take my hands off
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And i'm going to let you do what you do in due time and when we do that we're positioning ourselves
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You know, sometimes it's speedy we get i've seen an indication in 24 hours other times it's been 24 years. So
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Or in some cases, isn't it true jennifer that some people are not really
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Vindicated until after their death
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So they never really know about it
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So have you seen people that have tried to take?
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Vindication into their own hands and if so what happened?
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It's always messy, you know, you can get a measure of vindication
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The one way that people take vindication into their own hands is they when they're wronged they want to go tell everybody
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What that person did to them thereby they have acted as judge and executioner they have
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You know
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Put their mouth on people they have demonstrated to god that I don't trust you as my vindicator
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I want to do it my way and it's it's gotta be god's way or it's no way
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Whatever measure of vindication you get by slander
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It's not even slander if it's true. Technically you can tell everybody what they did to you
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You can expose their faults and flaws. You can gossip and turn other people against them
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That's the vindication you're going to get that's all you're going to get because once you take it into your hands
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You've tied god's hand and he's he said okay if you're satisfied with that, but I can do so much better and i'm so grateful
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By the grace of god that my grandmother told me on the day of her death
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But great grandmother she said never hate anyone and I remembered that I remembered that I remembered that over and over that echoed in my heart
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Never hate anybody because when there's hate in your heart
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God can't do much with that. He still loves you go to heaven. You know, I mean, I'm not judging your salvation
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But I am judging your vindication. You cannot get vindicated unless you do it god's way. It's the only way
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Well, you know, this is good advice and you're talking pretty generally but I know in the book you get very specific
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With steps to take and so forth. So as we wrap up this short podcast
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What are if somebody's watching this and this applies to them?
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There's something in their life that where they need vindication of some kind or they need to be able to
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Deal with it like you were just talking about what steps can someone take to get from where they are to where they need to be
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It's very simple. It's first of all forgiveness. The second thing you have to do is what jesus said pray for them
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Why because they're going to reap if they do not repent and we want to be like jesus
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We want to see people walking in freedom walking in joy
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So we pray for them not get them god see what they know. We pray that they'll be blessed
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So we forgive we pray for them. We bless them
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and and and then we wait on god and see when you when you pray for somebody
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It keeps your heart clean. So it's not it's it's not completely
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Unselfish it's it keeps your heart. You cannot pray for someone consistently
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And hold bitterness in your heart. So god has given us a great plan. You forgive
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You pray even if you don't feel like it you bless them, which is to speak well of them
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You don't tell anybody what they did
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You know, this is the first time that somebody's been able to do this
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You don't tell anybody what they did. You know, this is what joseph did if you read the story of joseph
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He really modeled this
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And he's a great example of how to walk through that process
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And I do believe in the season that god is bringing justice swiftly
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I just came through a season where it was one after another after another after another bam bam bam things
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I've been waiting on for you know
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You know years they just came in a flood of indication
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It was right before we put out the the book and I do believe that god really wants to vindicate you
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Even as much as you want vindication
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But if you grab this book, you're going to see you're going to learn how to wait on vindication god's way you're going to learn
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Vindication of the courts of heaven vindication from slander insults just about everything is covered
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I've walked through it and I believe that by the holy spirit
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I could lead you through that and when you grab this I believe with all my heart that you're going to feel inspired
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And you're going to feel grateful because you're going to have hope and faith and that's what I hope it does
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I hope that stirs it in you. I know it will
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Well, I want people to get the book
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It's actually being released on october 1st. I realized that on youtube many people
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Watch this after october 1st. And of course, it'll be in bookstores
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But until then you can pre-order it many places barnesandnoble.com christianbook.com
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And so forth but amazon is probably the quickest way that most people would do it and I would encourage you to do that
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And I want to wrap up
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By asking you about a film that was made that actually predated the book
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and after the interview is over we're going to show a little trailer of how people can see the
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the movie that you started in
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2020 so it's taken several years to come out and just briefly tell my viewers what you told me on how
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Video actually led to the book coming out and what you hope to accomplish with the video and how and the obvious how people can watch it
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So we did the video as my
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It's essentially like an iam second style testimony and it tells the story of how it was kidnapped by columbian drug lords abused beaten
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Almost sent to prison for 10 years
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They wanted to murder my husband. I had to escape
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Under darkness of night all that's in there. I've never shared these things before it's in the movie and I did this as an evangelism tool
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So I was really hoping that my story would reach the lost and I still do and I believe it will
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Um, and then I thought well, maybe write a small book to go with it
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And then as that book developed I said, I think I have a lot more to say on this and it needs to go through a publisher
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That will appreciate the message and and I chose to of course, you know charisma house
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You know charisma house being my longtime publisher chose to you know approach you with this
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And you guys grab it so we can you can watch the film the film is my story in depth and we've already got feedback
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We've released it to a limited audience. It is inspiring people people were at sydney jacobs watched it. She said i'm in tears
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and to see what god did and
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You can find the film at jennifer leclerc dot org slash vindicated film
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It is free to watch and we hope that many of you who watch it will donate so that we can get it translated to different
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Languages and to really push it out there
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We all have people in our families that don't know the lord and this story I believe will prick their heart
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They will see god as a vindicator
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And jennifer, I know you to be a woman of prayer and I want to end the podcast that way
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So we're going to end this part of the podcast
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And then afterwards i'll come back with a few comments and we'll show the trailer
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for
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The movie and so people want to stay tuned, but I think it's important that you pray
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You know god is not limited by time and space like we are and even though you and I are praying today
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You in south florida me in central florida. We're not even in the same room
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That doesn't limit god does it and even though people are going to watch this wherever they are
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Through streaming around the world
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I just believe that something very special can happen and that's why I want to ask you to pray
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Be my honor so father the name of jesus. I thank you for all those who are listening to the son of my voice
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Those who need vindication now and those who will need vindication in the future
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And I ask you father to help us to keep our hearts set upon you our mind stayed on you when we are wronged
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Help us to cast those cares on you and to truly believe that you are a vindicator
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Lord help us to renew our mind to your goodness to your grace to your ability to make the wrong things
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Right the crooked place is straight help us lord to to press into your justice your way and resist every temptation
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To self-vindicate take on victim mindsets
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We break those victim mindsets in the name of jesus and I thank you lord for what you're doing because we know that our ladder
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Shall be greater than our past and we give you all the glory in jesus name. Amen
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That was a powerful prayer and thank you for staying tuned because I want you to see the trailer for this movie
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The jennifer did actually as you just heard the the movie actually preceded the book
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And I think it'll inspire you you can actually go on her ministry website and watch it
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Get out the word share this with others. You know, there are a lot of people that need the story of
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Vindicated they need to be vindicated. They want god's
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Justice and jennifer leclerc's story will help them. So buy the book. It's available
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October 1st, you can pre-order it on amazon.com
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God bless you. He came home and he was just in a
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a rage
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He started yelling he started screaming and I was afraid because I never knew him to be violent
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I've never known him to act this way and he wouldn't stop. He was throwing bowls throwing dishes
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And I ran into the room and I slammed the door and I locked it
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And I was like, oh my god, I'm gonna die
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But I ran into the room and I slammed the door and I locked it
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I locked the door
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And he broke it open
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Now what happened next
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I was completely unprepared for
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Best-selling author jennifer leclerc shares her harrowing story of battling injustice
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And walking through soul-crushing the trails
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Her traumatic journey will captivate your heart and move you to tears
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Before I knew it she put handcuffs on me put me in the back of the car I was thrown in jail
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And they charged me with resisting arrest with violence and battery on a law enforcement officer
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And her triumphant comeback against all odds will inspire your soul and build your faith to never give up
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Jennifer gets real and raw with intimate details of addiction
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Abandonment incarceration and ultimate vindication and a victorious life
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A story of redemption that's filling people around the world with hope and courage
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Vindicated jennifer leclerc's testimony from trauma and tragedy to triumph
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Watch the vindicated film at jennifer leclerc.org slash vindicated film