Navigating Political Prophetic Trauma: Where to Focus with Lance Wallnau

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We certainly live in turbulent times, and one of the things that people all over are asking is,

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what is going on and what is God saying? Hello, everyone. I'm Stephen Strang, and welcome to

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the Strang Report podcast, where we deal with these kind of issues, trying to understand what

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God is saying and how we should live. Well, today my guest is Lance Wallnau. He has been an outspoken

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leader in the body of Christ. He kind of bridges from the business community to the ministry

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community. In 2016, he wrote a book called God's Chaos Candidate about Donald Trump and said that

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he believed that God was raising up Donald Trump like Cyrus, who was a pagan king who helped the

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children of Israel go back to Jerusalem and rebuild the temple. Well, today we're going to talk about

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what's going on. Not so much about Donald Trump per se. This is not really political, but this is

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how can we understand the prophetic and what is God saying? Not in a predictive kind of way, but in

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a general kind of way. You don't want to miss my conversation. Stay tuned.

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Lance Wallnau, thanks for being in my podcast. I have an important question that I believe many

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in the body of Christ are asking. What are you hearing from God in this season?

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Well, you know, Steve, in the midst of all the dystopian and clickbait, intense news cycles,

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and of course, nothing like an election year during the election season, I think, is happening.

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And I think the Lord is telling me is rather remarkable. He's saying right out of the book

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of Acts quoting from Habakkuk, behold, I am doing a work you would not believe that someone was to

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declare it to you. Well, right away I step back and I say, well, wait a second, Lord, you're doing

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something that we that me as a charismatic, as a Pentecostal, I'm doing. I'm doing something that

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we that me as a charismatic, as a Pentecostal with a seven mountain worldview, I would be amazed at.

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And I started looking at what's going on in the world, Stephen. And I saw that we got 50 elections

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happening. A shift is happening in the cosmic consciousness of the globe. And elites are being

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pushed back on as God is solidifying a movement for the harvest. I believe it's a populist movement

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and it's a window of grace. And I think it's coming to America. Well, you're right about what's

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happening in Europe, which we consider much less Christian, much more left wing, usually.

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Totally. And the elections last week were just astounding. So you and then of course, we saw it

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in Argentina. So in El Salvador, I mean, my gosh, we had a president down there. It's a Christian

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does his interview with Tucker and says, here's how we're turning the nation around. We've gone

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from the murder capital of the world to the most safe country in the world. He locked up all of MS-13

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and Tucker said, well, how did you do it? He said, first, we prayed. And Tucker goes, pray?

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He said, no, but that wasn't it. We had to get, he said, you had to get a strategy goes, yes,

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that was what we prayed for wisdom. Tucker's like, I believe you, but this sounds hard to believe.

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Bam, God's raising up leaders. If we will pray, God will give us leaders that will navigate

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sovereign nations, those nations that have Christian covenant and Christian power.

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We will shift the heavens. I believe that completely.

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You know, I wrote an op-ed this week about the end of time and how we have to believe that the

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Holy Spirit leads us no matter how bad it is, which is tangential to what you're talking about.

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But I get a feeling in the circles that I move in that people almost feel hopeless.

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You know, we've been seeing this leftward movement for at least a hundred years.

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You can track it all the way back to Woodrow Wilson and maybe before that. And we've been losing

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little by little by little. And I feel like a lot of Christians are just kind of throwing up their

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hands. I mean, you know, in 216, it looked like Donald Trump, the chaos candidate,

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a catchy phrase that you came up with. It looked like there was a reprieve.

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And then there were all these prophecies that tried to get you to believe in the Holy Spirit.

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And then there were all these prophecies that Trump would be in for two terms. That did not happen.

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We had all kinds of prophets saying that the House of Representatives was going to turn it around or

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all kinds of things. I didn't keep track of all those stuff.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And now with this election cycle, I just see a lot of people not even

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hardly interested. I mean, they're concerned about the country, but what difference does it make?

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What do you think?

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I think the Republicans are having post prophetic trauma or what that is after a world war,

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because a lot here's the deal. Let me be honest with you, Steve. A lot of people jumped into the

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political prophetic arena because it builds. It's like crack. You know, when you have clicks and

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you've got an audience and you've got cash flow and you have notoriety and you struggle in anonymity

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for so long and then you found out that with a camera, you can prophesy to an unknown audience

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or thousands of people hanging on your next word. It produces a temptation that most adolescent

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prophetic ministries that didn't have that big a thing to start with fell into.

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Now, Cindy Jacobs, Chuck Pierce, Dutch Sheets, you'll notice those that have already gone

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through those seasons where they might have prophesied a president that didn't work out and

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then they recovered. The season prophets were not all bringing out the pillows and the pom poms

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about Donald Trump. It was a lot of new prophetic voices, but they kept on prophesying. That was

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their mistake. They should have just got quiet. When Trump lost, the verse that God gave me was

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David with Bathsheba. I mean, the baby is dead and he's praying and he's fasting and he's miserable

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and then he's... Everybody looked at him and thought he's going to lose his mind when he

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finds out the baby's dead. And as soon as he heard it, he washed himself, he shaved himself,

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and he worshiped. I knew that when the election wasn't given to Trump, God was doing something.

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Now, what God was doing, I didn't know. I had a very intimate time of prayer going, Lord,

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if this man isn't there, I know enough about the world order to know. Our economy will tank,

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our military will be humiliated, and our freedoms will be emasculated. This is not what you want.

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I didn't think God wanted to do it. Well, I think that since then, Stephen, the roots of our movement,

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which is citizen patriots, engaged Christians, have gotten stronger. The people that are getting

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weak are the people living on the prophetic fringe, don't want to get involved with politics,

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they don't want to get... They just want to have a revival without a reformation. And the move of

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God's moving to pass them and moving to the reformation people, who by the way, we're in a

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revival. There's more life now than we've ever had before. The battle is intense. But when you're

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actually building with God's building, it puts an anointing on you that refreshes you while you're

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in the warfare. Well, let's talk about this prophetic aspect of it, because as you know,

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I wrote a book about it. The book, God and Donald Trump, was really my effort to put on the record

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what happened with this prophecy. Kim Clement is the first one that I was aware of, and he prophesied

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it long before Donald Trump had even shown up on the political scene, even as a possibility.

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And some of these things were kind of encoded, and you understood them in hindsight. And then

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you mentioned Chuck Pierce and some others. And then you came along and called Trump the chaos

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candidate. And I attribute to you the whole thing about Cyrus. Now, you may not have been the first

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one to compare him to Cyrus, but you were certainly the one that seemed to popularize that.

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Well, yeah, I was the first one. It was news to me when I heard it, because what happened was I was

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with Kim meeting Trump in New York for the first time. Kim had a stroke and didn't show up. And

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when I got home, his gift, it happened for like about 30 days, his gift zapped over on me. And

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I'm starting to hear voices. I thought I was under an attack, because I'm hearing voices in my left

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ear. The next president of the United States will be Isaiah 45. The 45th president will be Isaiah 45.

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I'm going, oh my gosh, what is that? I looked it up in Isaiah. Isaiah 45 says, thus says, Lord,

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thus says, Lord, to Cyrus. That's how I got that. And it was, and I realized later that Kim had a

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mission to proclaim something. I think the devil tried to take, well, the devil did take him out

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in a sense. He neutralized him. And then boom, an adolescent in this field suddenly is hearing

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stuff. And what I heard was that. And in 2015, I said, and the media will have a term. And I heard

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first, Trump derangement. And I wrote it and published it in 2015. I said, they're going to

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meltdown and they're going to, minds are going to blow up because they cannot handle the fact that

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God would use a person like that. Or let's put it this way. The church would have a problem with

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God using Trump. The world just has a problem with Trump period.

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I agree. And when you mentioned the media, I recently talked to Lauren Green at Fox,

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and we discussed the fact that Trump was the darling of the media when he was a New York

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billionaire, so-called playboy. You know, he was in all the magazines and all the TV shows. He had

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his own celebrity TV show. They loved him. They had no problem with his personality, with his

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lifestyle. It was only when he ran for office as a conservative that they started having a problem

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with Trump. And so I think it's interesting. And the reason I wrote the book is because

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there are too many prophecies, even ones that come true, they're not that well documented,

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or they're not that well known because the media doesn't play it up. And I felt

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that this was something that was prophesied. It actually happened. And I wanted to give God the

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glory. But it was interesting that since then, especially with the second time around, you're

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right. A lot of people jumped on the bandwagon. I don't hear a lot of prophecy now about the next

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election. What do you hear? Well, and I believe they're wise because this is going to offend

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some prophets, I'm sure. But I don't think God is telling people because I think that we end up

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becoming, and here the word adolescence comes back again, we put our hope and our confidence in,

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is Trump going to be president? Well, I think that's a smart assessment. If he is not in office,

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Stephen, if he does not go in, I do the economics, I work with the economic field. The data says

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that we are now a trillion dollars over budget on our credit card nationally. We are paying more

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in interest than we are for the national defense. And that's going to only exacerbate. It's going,

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we're going to probably have a serious meltdown going on in the next year. And if we don't actually

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recover our supply side ability to manufacture and keep up with our debt and start to rein in the debt,

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by 2024 and 2025, it's over. You can't catch up. At that point, it's almost like you cut the limb

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off of the tree. It may still be green, but from that day, it's dying. The Brits nations,

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40 nations are all getting away from the dollar as fast as they can. They see we're a house on fire.

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So there's this realization that we have to have God's intervention, Stephen. That's why I get

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frustrated. And when I hear about people, don't want to talk about politics. What in the world

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are you talking about? The Antichrist spirit is taking over government where you don't resist the

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devil. You're inviting him to control you. We'll control your speech. We'll control your your

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faith. They're going after gateway punnet. They completely annihilated Alex Jones. Russell Brand

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was the darling of the left until he started going conservative. Then they come out with all this

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stories about him. They're locking up Peter Navarro. They've already locked up Peter Navarro.

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They're locking up Steve Bannon. They want to lock up Donald Trump. They're going to announce it

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three days or four days before the National Convention. I think they're going to try to

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lock him up so that they could say you've got a convicted felon behind bars that we're letting

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out to go talk to you. And this tells us that for you as a Christian to say, well, I don't want to

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get involved with this. I'm divisive. You're dealing with the survival of your own church,

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your own freedom, your own future. And I really believe everything's on the table right now.

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That's why I'm 100 percent in the Holy Ghost in revival and in reformation. And God's calling a

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line in the sand is going to happen this year. Either those prophecies about Trump with two terms

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are going to be fulfilled or we're going to see America going from a divine discipline, I'm sorry

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to say, into a judgment cycle. That doesn't mean we can't have revival. Doesn't mean we can't have

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extraordinary experiences. It means it's not God's plan, but He'll help you survive. That's how

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serious this is, which is why I'm so incensed even with the preachers and the pastors who are

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being very coy now. You know what they do? We do these tours. Charlie Kirk does them. I do them.

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And we'll have like four, five, 10. He had 10,000. We've had like up to 5,000. And I find that a lot

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of pastors that don't associate with us don't say anything against us. And I realize, oh my gosh,

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they're like politicians. They don't want to alienate anybody. So they're just ignoring the

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whole conversation. So if you're around leaders that aren't talking about what's happening

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prophetically around the world and what's happening in the United States, I think you're

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in the orbit of people that are dulling your hearing. Well, I agree with you entirely, but I'd

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like you to articulate what the answer is. What can the person who's watching or listening,

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what can they do or say? How can they pray? How can they get active? What advice do you have

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when you go around on these tours? Well, very good. It's a great question. And so part of the answer

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is we are saying there's only two things that you can focus on right now that'll make a difference

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in moving the needle apart from prayer. I just had Lou Engel on yesterday. We've got a million

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women, million men march on the mall. We're not calling it a march, but we keep calling it that.

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And it's on Yom Kippur, the high holy day, to cry out to God for mercy for America. That's the

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spiritual part. So I'm totally full tilt Pentecostal on intercession prayer and that. The other part is

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it all comes down to getting out the vote and stopping illegal votes. Those are the only two

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things that matter. And every state has its own apparatus for how it does that. But I've got a guy

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that I've been I've been working with named Dr. Richards, who has this thing called a Eagle AI.

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And Steve, what that does is it takes our my more geriatric age groups. I realize my people are like

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50, 60, 70. So they're a little older in terms of that group that I relate to. But they will if they

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have accessibility, we could hook them up so that from their home, they could block 100, 200, 300 or

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400 fake votes from showing up. And when an election is determined by 40 to 100,000 votes

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out of four or five swing states, you might be able to affect the future right from your desk

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doing what you're doing. The other thing is to get out the vote effort. I grabbed a tool, which I

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think you can download it now as an app called As One America. As One America. My gosh, Steve,

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it gives you that it gives you access, the location of your neighbors who are low propensity

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Christians, meaning they might vote, they might not, they might be I've had it, I don't want to

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get involved with politics. It's the end times. You can't trust the election anyway. But those

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those votes that are in your own backyard are just a matter of a phone call or a letter. You

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could write a letter. We even can write a letter. We'll pay the postage. I got guys that will pay

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the postage. Write a letter and encourage your neighbors and say, I've been thinking about you.

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I'm in the same community. It's so important that you make a difference. And I just felt led to

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tell you your vote makes a difference. You need to show up that a little step like that from your

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home. And you can affect history. That's great. In fact, before we wrap up, I want you to tell my

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viewers how they can connect with you and your podcast, how they can see you on the victory

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channel, the different the many things you're doing. But also be sure to repeat that because

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I want people listen, I'm going to get that app, I'm going to do my part, even though I have a

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platform and am involved in different ways. I want to get involved in my own neighborhood.

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And also can't people volunteer to be poll watchers? Of course, and that's what that's what

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the app does. It says, how do you become a poll watcher? How do you write a letter to the I will

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pay the postage. I'll even pay the postage. How do you find the neighbor? I'll let you I'll give

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you the phone number. How's that you can call them and buy them over for coffee, be a good neighbor.

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Most of these people are Christian conservatives anyway. And Stephen, what I'll do is I'll put this

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podcast on that app. It's called as one America. When this comes out, I'm going to feature at the

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top of the app, because I can feature conversations because I'm trying to keep our tribe motivated

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and focused as one America go to your app store. Now, my broadcaster Lance walnut.com forward slash

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podcast, because I'm all over the internet. If they shut me down here, I pop up over there. It's

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like whack a mole. But if you go to Lance walnut.com forward slash podcast, you catch me on real

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America's voice right after Bannon on on the weekend. So you know, and they're locking him

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up. And I'm not about that, Stephen, I mean, he's a great man with a fake January six committee

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hearing, he stood up to them. He said, you know, you guys wouldn't even allow one voice to speak

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up in defense of what we believe was going on that day. And they're locking them up. And we have got

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to stand with the front line because this next man up when they get locked up, the next guy's got to

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step up. And I take that personally, because I'm out in the public arena. You know, you talk about,

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or we at least mentioned election fraud and that kind of thing. And I had an example up close and

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personal, it had to do with my late mother whose vote was stolen. You know, this was obviously

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before she passed away, but I moved her to assisted living. And in doing so she changed precincts. So

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even though she wasn't operating that well, I helped her, I picked her up, and we took her to

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the polling booth or the polling place. She went in with her ID and they said she can't vote. And I

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said, why? Because she's already voted. Well, how'd she vote? She voted absentee. I said, mother,

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did you vote? Well, she didn't think she could. At that point, Lance, she didn't have, she didn't

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have it together enough to fill out a ballot, find a stamp, and find the mailbox to mail it.

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Somebody, they had sent unsolicited ballots to her senior citizen place. Somebody had harvested

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them, voted for her, and they did not expect somebody like me to show up. And there was nothing

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I could do. You know, I wrote letters to the officials in my county and I live in a conservative

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part of the state of Florida, and nobody seemed interested in one little old lady's vote being

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stolen. And I just saw up close and personal that this has happened. We have to be diligent

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not to let it happen. And, you know, I felt that I should say that maybe it'll encourage someone to

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be more careful about votes being stolen. Then you can do something about me. What's really sad

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about that is not only was your mother's vote stolen, but for all you know, she's going to

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keep on voting. So you got to focus on that. And yeah, I'll tell you what, and in some states,

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in Michigan, we took 100,000 names off, and the corrupt government, sorry to say, the Democrat side,

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reinstated the names. This is after you purge the names, they say, yeah, we know, but we're

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going to put it back in. And so you have to literally be in the battle. And then at the same

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time, we have to be buoyant, because what I've learned is you can only fight as strong as you

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have joy. So that's why I think there's a revival. The prophetic pattern, Stephen, my final thought,

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is don't look for the prophecy that's predictive. That's kind of like, that's not where the

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prophetic anointing is right now. Look for the prophetic pattern of what God is doing,

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because then you're going to be looking in the direction where the spirit's moving.

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Cyrus was a world ruler, like Bolsonaro that rose up, like Trump that rose up, but now you've got

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Bukele, you've got, you've got in Australia, and like you said, in Argentina, we have a brilliant,

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with a president now, we have Viktor Orban in Hungary, we have Poland, God's raising up Cyrus

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Ruler. Stephen, when the Cyrus's came up, what happened next was God focused on rebuilding his

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ecclesia. There is a church project going on right now. And I believe one of the great things that

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people aren't talking about is the shaking of the church. We're seeing it with prominent and

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well-known leaders that are being brought into the public gaze for things 30 years old or so.

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But the shaking is happening in the ecclesia. Satan wants to shake the church, but God is using

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it to build a new church. The Jews went from Cyrus to rebuilding the house for the nation. It was a

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national temple. And then out of that, the walls and gates got restored. It's not happening all

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over the country, but boy, it's happening right now in counties and in cities and in states where

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people are gathering together and taking back their school boards. They're taking back their

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personal liberty. And that's the global movement that is happening electorally. I think we're going

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to see the walls and gates and the temple or the ecclesia rising up this year.

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Or Lance, I would just want to thank you for being so outspoken and bringing a lot of meaning to

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this. I've been in settings where you've shared the seven mountain thing and you could almost see

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the light bulbs going off in people's minds. The Lord has given you a gift and a talent and

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you've done so much good. And I just want to say how much I appreciate you. And do you have a

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closing word and then I'll be back with a few thoughts at the end.

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Yeah, I want to thank you for what you're doing, Steve. You were a pioneer in Christian media.

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You looked at the media mountain and said, what's needed for the church? I was with Dinesh Desai

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a week ago. He said, Lance, and Jordan Peterson said the same thing. What we need to do is realize

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we will not change 400 liberally funded universities that have their Marxist curriculum,

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but you can create new digital universities that will rival them and be stronger than them.

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And so we need to create alternative systems. When reformation rises up, God raises up another

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sphere to come against what won't change. And that new thing actually competes with and breaks up the

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old thing. So we have to be thinking in terms of the entrepreneurial innovative spirit that is on

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the body of Christ. Now more than ever, you can't be disheartened because of the fact that the

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doors are opening for opportunity. Well, thanks for staying tuned. I hope you enjoyed what Lance

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had to say. I believe that he gave us a lot to think about and to pray about. And I wanted to

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call attention to a couple of the things that we mentioned. The purpose of the podcast, of course,

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was not to push my own books, but they are available. And if you followed the Strang Report,

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you know that I wrote God and Donald Trump. That was the one that we discussed, but I also wrote

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Trump Aftershock about the seismic shifts that happened after Donald Trump was elected, and also

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God Trump in the 2020 election. This was about four years ago, but you know, a lot of the issues are

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still the same. This is available for a special price as a bundle on my website called stevestrangbooks.com.

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And while you're at it, you can pick up a copy of my newest book called Spirit-Led Living in an

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Upside-Down World, where I talk not about politics, not about Donald Trump, but what's happening,

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where it seems like we are speeding toward the end of time, but we have to rely on the power of the

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Holy Spirit, which is really the underlying theme of what I talked about with Lance today. He's

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going to send this out to his list because he felt it's important. I hope you do too, so I hope

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you'll share it with friends. Post it on X or on Facebook or wherever you post on social media.

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