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A very important election is coming up, but a recent report says that many believing Christians
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won't even bother to go to the polls.
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Why is this?
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Well, my guest today on The Strang Report is Bunny Pounds, and she is the author of
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this book called Jesus and Politics.
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She is on a crusade to get a million Christians registered to vote and to the polls.
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We're going to talk about the election.
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We're going to talk about some of the issues.
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You don't want to miss my interview with Bunny Pounds.
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Stay tuned.
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I'm Stephen Strang.
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Welcome back and welcome, Bunny Pounds.
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Thank you for being on my podcast to talk about this important election.
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In fact, it is probably correct to say it's the most important election of our lifetime.
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And I'm just curious, why don't we start with you telling us about your goal to engage a
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million voters?
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Well, it's exciting, Stephen, because people are breaking out of apathy right now.
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There's an awakening happening in our country, and Christians are starting to realize, though
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it's slow, there's a new poll that just came out that George Barnett did out of Arizona
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Christian University that one third of evangelicals are not voting at all.
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We have to shift that, and we're seeing that.
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So we've joined, Christians Engaged has built apparatuses, built strategies to engage Christians
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to pray, vote, and engage on a regular basis, not just for this election, but every election.
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And we just recently merged with Family Policy Alliance, started by Dr. James Dobson out
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of Focus on the Family.
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And we're now able to mobilize Christians on the ground in 41 states, as well as in the
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air on Christian TV, radio, everywhere where we reach Christians.
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So we're excited.
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Well, I'm excited to hear about that.
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And I think what you're doing is so important.
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But help me to understand why it is that a big chunk of the electorate doesn't vote,
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because people gave their lives for our freedoms, which include the freedom to elect our leaders
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in a democratic process.
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But I just don't understand it.
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Before we started, I was telling you that I registered to vote the very first day I
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was old enough, and I voted in every election except one time where I forgot.
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Because that's just important to me, but I've been frustrated with this.
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I've been writing about this, talking about it, going all the way back to the Jimmy Carter
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era, believe it or not.
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And I saw apathy even back then.
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Do you think that that is one of the reasons why we're in the mess we're in in the country
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right now?
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Oh, 100%, Stephen.
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We have the problem where we think some things are sacred and some things are secular.
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And it's still in our minds as Christians, and it's a lie.
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Everything should be under the lordship of Jesus Christ.
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And I think most American Christians would have to say, hey, we're thankful we don't
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live in North Korea or Venezuela or Cuba right now.
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We have religious liberty.
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We have freedoms to raise our families the way we want, to teach them about Jesus, to
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teach them about the Holy Spirit.
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What an incredible freedom that we have.
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So why in the world would we just not even participate when we get to elect righteous
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leaders?
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And what happens is when people don't show up to vote, then people that are not righteous
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take and fill those vacuums.
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That's what we've been seeing for the last 50 years.
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And that has to shift.
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If every Christian in this country voted regularly, Stephen, we would see a totally different
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America.
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Our cities would be different.
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Our communities would be different.
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Our state would be different.
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And our nation would be different because we would elect people that have more of a
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biblical worldview than those that others.
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Part of it is, you know, Christians are afraid to make hard choices.
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Some of these choices are not easy.
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Everybody's not Jesus on the ballot, right?
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We have to choose between imperfect people.
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So we have to make hard choices.
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And that's what we try to do here at Christians Engage, just help Christians through all of
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the mess and all of the information and get them to understand what's really important.
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Well, walk us through this because I, you know, we don't really know who's watching,
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but I'm going to assume that those who are watching follow the averages.
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So that means that a third of our viewers either aren't registered or if they are registered,
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don't bother to go to the polls.
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So let's pretend that you're in some setting in a church, maybe where they asked you to
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speak.
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Persuade my viewers why we should get out and vote.
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And you know, in what we're saying right now, we're not even pushing one side or the other.
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I mean, there's so much we could go into here in Florida.
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There's an amendment called number four that the Florida family voice is coming on really
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strong because it puts into our state constitution a very radical right for abortion.
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Well, listen, every Christian who believes in life has to be against that amendment.
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We're not here to talk about those kinds of things.
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We're not here even to talk about is Donald Trump or Kamala Harris better.
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We're talking about going to the polls, believing that people will know what to do and make
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the right choice.
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So just walk me through how you persuade people to do this.
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Well, in 1 Timothy 2, it talks about prayers, intercessions, all these things being made,
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made for those in government authority over us, right, that we may lead a peaceful life.
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It is in our best interest to pray for our elected officials and to participate so that
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our families are free, but also that the gospel will go to the ends of the earth.
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You know, Stephen, how many people have heard the gospel because of Americans' prosperity
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and the ability of American Christians to sow into the gospel presentation around the
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world?
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It's so critical.
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But yes, I mean, the founders of our nation gave us the gift that we get to elect our
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representatives.
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We're a representative, constitutional representative, elected government.
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And so we get to choose our leaders.
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What an incredible thing that we get to do.
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Every Christian should participate in that.
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And every vote matters.
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I've seen state representative elections, one by 40 votes.
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I've seen city council races, one by five votes or two votes.
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There was a guy in Washington state that lost to the election last year by one vote.
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Oh, by the way, he forgot to vote for himself.
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That was a crucial error.
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So we have a real responsibility as believers to be light and salt, to really be Christ
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followers in every part of our life and even in our citizenship.
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So I would encourage Christians do that.
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We have to choose again and make hard choices, so we need to look at party platforms.
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Each political party had different beliefs and values that were kind of grown up and
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those are put into writing by the parties.
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That means the people in those parties.
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You have to choose leaders that are going to vote with certain leadership.
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When members of Congress go to Washington, they're going to vote with their leaders.
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They can tell you they're as independent as your neighbor, but when they get there, they're
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going to vote with Mike Johnson or Nancy Pelosi, right?
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That's the reality.
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So you have to choose based on what your beliefs are, what the Bible says about the issues.
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So that means you have to know those issues and then you have to vote accordingly.
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That's what we do here at Christians Engage is we help people with a five-step guide to
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print off their ballot, research their ballot in every election and make those choices.
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This is so important that we worked with you to produce a book and I hope that this podcast
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is not specifically to push your book, although there's nothing in the world wrong with that.
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People who know me know that I'm always encouraging people to read the new books that came out.
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In fact, this week Jonathan Cahn's book called The Dragon's Prophecy released along with
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a couple of other books and I just found out this afternoon, this is hot off the press,
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that it's number two of all books on Amazon.com if you can believe it.
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He has just a wonderful way to explain to people what the Bible is saying and he's talking
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about how we're racing toward the end of time and how serious things are in our country.
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But you know, it isn't the end of time yet.
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Antichrist hasn't presented himself.
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We don't have the mark of the beast, although we now have technology to have the mark of
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the beast with chips being implanted under the skin.
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I can remember as a kid hearing about Mark of the Beast and wondering how in the world
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they were going to tattoo 666 on everybody's forehead.
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But of course, this was long before the technology we have.
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I digress a little bit, but I'm making the point that there are very many things that
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are very, very, very serious.
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But you know, Jesus said to occupy till he comes and the Bible says that when Jesus comes,
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there's going to be two people working in the field, you know, just going through normal
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life when suddenly it's all over.
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So we have to be engaged no matter what's going to happen.
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So just say a little bit about your book because your book is so well done.
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I enjoyed reading it.
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I learned a lot and I want people to get your book.
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Well, thank you guys for publishing it there at Charisma House because yeah, my book's
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called Jesus and Polytext, One Woman's Walk with God in a Mud Slinging Profession.
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And I wanted to put in there information and education for Christians to walk with God
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in government and politics.
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It is a hard mission field, but it is a mission field.
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But I also wanted to share some of my stories, walking with members of Congress for 16 years,
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running for Congress myself, really just how a young mom, I was a young mom, got involved
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in this whole thing and really has learned how to walk with God and love Jesus in the
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process.
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And kind of to break off some fear, Steve, there's fear in people.
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I can't get involved with politics.
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That's just such a mud slinging, horrible thing.
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And we're afraid it's going to corrupt us.
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But isn't greater is he who's in us than he that's in the world?
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And doesn't that field, that government and that governmental mountain need Christians
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and people of faith?
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And I want to inspire the next generation to go out there and be a missionary to America,
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walk with members of Congress, run for office, working as a city manager.
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Go change your world.
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And you can do that even in government.
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Absolutely.
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And Christians tend to be meek.
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Jesus said the meek will inherit the earth.
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And the other side is so nasty.
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Not all of them, of course, but some actually call Christians haters because we don't go
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along with whatever their perversion of the day is that they're trying to kind of cram
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down our collective throats.
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And we're not haters.
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We're lovers.
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We love the Lord Jesus.
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We love God.
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We love our fellow man.
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But the other side, especially in the political arena, is so nasty that a lot of people recoil.
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So tell us again why we should be strong.
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We need the power of the Holy Spirit to be strong no matter what comes against us.
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Absolutely.
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Discipling a nation goes beyond people's hearts being changed.
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That's the most important thing is that we change hearts and minds and worldviews with
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the presentation of the gospel.
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But it goes into how we're actually changing our children, how we're affecting our children
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and grandchildren in our neighborhoods.
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I think Christians can be the best presidents of their home associations.
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What about being the president of the Rotary Club or the Chamber of Commerce?
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If we're not in the room when the decisions are being made or when they're trying to decide,
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are we going to have a proclamation in our city promoting gay pride or are we going to
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have a proclamation in our city or create a diversity equity inclusion program?
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Is that what we want to do?
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If we're not in the room, Stephen, to be in those committees or be leaders in our community,
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we can't push back on some of these ideas that are just not as good for us as Bible-believing
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Christians.
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So putting ourselves out there and being leaders is something that God loves for us to do.
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We get to take the gospel and be an example to people.
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We don't have to be ugly.
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We can love people.
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We can operate within a Sermon on the Mount being peacekeepers as we are bold and courageous
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on the truth.
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I believe that is the way we should be operating as Christians.
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I share that extensively in my book and share crazy stories of miracles, of things that
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God's done in my life and through my life with high-profile people in our government.
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It's a blessing.
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Well, the Bible tells us to be harmless as doves.
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It also says to be wise as serpents.
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And there's a lot of truth if you really think about that word picture.
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So you're getting people involved.
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You just told me as we were getting ready for this interview that you have practically
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doubled the people who are involved in your ministry getting registered vote.
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Tell me about the trends that you're seeing and what you see happening between now and
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November 5th.
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Well, I'm going to tell everyone this presidential election is going to be extremely close.
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Like we've seen really since 2000.
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We've got a real differences of opinion from urban to rural people to God-fearing people,
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the people that are more secular progressive.
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So we need to really pay attention and we need to promote voting within all of our churches
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and all of our communities.
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It's so, so critical.
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I think it's really going to come down to people that are paying attention and using
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their brain, I hate to say that, versus people that are just listening to the media's talking
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points.
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You know, when you're voting for someone for president, let me just break it down for you.
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You're voting for the person that is going to put in 85,000 people, employ them in the
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executive branch, if not more.
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You're putting in the entire cabinet, you're putting in the secretary of state, the person
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that's going to be over the department of education.
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This is a big job.
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Not only commander in chief, but also the person that's going to hire all these people.
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You're also going to put in probably around 250 federal judges in the next four years
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and at least two Supreme Court vacancies, if not three, it's going to come up in the
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next four years.
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That's what I'm voting for, Stephen, when I'm looking for president.
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So I'm not looking at personalities, I'm not looking at the past, I'm looking at who do
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I want in that seat to do those important jobs.
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And then on the down ballots, you got to look at your members of Congress, your state representatives,
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your state senators, your county government officials.
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There's a lot of jobs on the ballots this November that affects all of our lives.
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I mean, your sheriff and your county commissioners affect your life.
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You better know who they are and if they're doing a good job or not.
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So spend 30 minutes researching your ballot and go in there and change the world.
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Well said, and I want people to be able to connect with you and your ministry.
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So tell us if people want to reach you or if they want to get involved, if they want
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to get their church involved.
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Hopefully they will get their church involved.
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And also people that this resonates with, if they would put a link to this podcast on
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their social media, if they would email it to friends, we need to get this word out and
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each of us can do our own part.
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But it starts with people connecting with Budding Pounds and your ministry, Christians
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Engaged.
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Yeah, everyone just go to ChristiansEngaged.org and take the pledge on every page on our homepage.
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It says, take the pledge to pray, vote, and engage.
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You're going to get weekly prayer reminders, videos we do teaching you how to pray for
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government.
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You're going to get voting reminders, not just for this election, but we're going to
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tell you when early voting starts, when early voting ends, when three days before the election
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and on election day with our five-step guide to the general election.
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And then every election next year, local elections, primaries in 2026, there's so much.
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We're going to remind you about every election.
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So take the pledge to pray, vote, engage, share it, and share this podcast far and wide
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because every Christian needs to get involved.
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If we can go to a million Christians, again, that's just a drip in the bucket, but it's
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a huge start to see the Christians actually make a commitment to vote in every election.
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It's a game changer, Stephen.
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Well, thank you.
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And in the minute or so we have left, I would like you to pray.
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I just felt, Led, that you should pray and then we'll end this part of the podcast and
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I'll come back with some closing thoughts.
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So just pray for our viewers, pray for our elected officials, pray for this election,
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pray for the body of Christ that it'll rise up and do what it should.
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Amen.
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Well, Lord, we thank you, God.
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We cry out right now for this country.
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Lord, we thank you.
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First of all, we start with thanksgiving, thanking you for the freedoms that we have
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in this nation.
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Thank you for the prosperity we've seen.
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And thank you that the gospel has gone to the ends of the earth and continuing to go
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to the ends of the earth because of America.
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God, we want this nation to remain solid and fruitful.
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So God, we cry out right now for our elected officials right now, our president, our Congress,
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our Supreme Court, Lord, all of our local officials, our state legislators.
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God, we need you to move in their life.
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They need wisdom and a sermon in this hour.
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And we pray for them, God, that you would move upon their life, regardless of political
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parties, and change them into your image, God.
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Lord, we pray, Lord, for every Christian in this country, Lord, whether we've been engaged
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before, whether we've been regular voters, or we have been apathetic, God, to rise up
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in this moment and say, what can we do for our nation?
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What can we do to push this message forward?
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God, we pray, Lord, that every Christian listening to the sound of my voice, God, would take
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a commitment to pray, vote, engage, to do more for what you're doing in this nation
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in this moment.
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We're at a critical point.
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This is a very, very important election.
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And we have so many elections in our cities in the days that come that are crucial.
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So God, wake up the church right now.
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Use our little voices and our little books and the things that we're doing, God, to amplify
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that message.
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God, but we absolutely need you right now in this hour.
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Lord, God, we pray for revival and a great awakening in this country.
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Let us walk in intimacy with you every day and take your presence into our cities and
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our communities.
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In Jesus' name we pray.
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Amen.
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I hope you prayed that prayer.
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And I also hope that you go to the polls because it's important that you vote.
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Your vote counts.
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And be sure to share this podcast on social media.
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If you don't subscribe to The Strang Report, be sure to subscribe.
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Hit the little bell so you know when we're on Tuesdays and Thursdays at 4 p.m. Eastern
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time.
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And remember, you've got to get out the vote.
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You influence people.
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Everybody influences 25 to 50 people directly and you can encourage them to vote.
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Our future is on the line.
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Thank you for watching The Strang Report today.
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Until next time, God bless you.