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I believe that we're headed for a socialist concentration camp style of governing.
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There's so much going on in the world. People are saying, what's happening? Well, you know,
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the Lord gave us the Holy Spirit and gave us the gift of prophecy and has anointed prophets to help
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us discern what's happening. And my guest today is Joseph Z of Joseph Z Ministries, and he's a
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prophet. He's from Colorado, but he's better known probably on Facebook and YouTube. And the Lord
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speaks to him. And I talked to him today about what's happening in America, what's happening
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with this upcoming election, how the Lord gave him a word about the shot heard around the world
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just shortly before President Trump was shot at in Butler, Pennsylvania, about censorship,
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about the World Economic Forum, about all the things that are in the news. And I believe that
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he brings clarity and helps us to understand and then praise a powerful prayer at the end.
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You don't want to miss my conversation with Joseph Z today on The Strang Report. Stay tuned.
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I'm Stephen Strang.
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Welcome back and welcome to Joseph Z. Thank you for fitting me in. You have a gift of the Lord
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speaking to you and kind of showing you what's going to happen. And there's so much going on,
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especially around the election. In fact, you're well known for calling this the do over year.
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What did you mean about that and what do you think is going to happen?
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Well, I'll tell you, Steve, first of all, what a privilege to be with you. Thank you for all the
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work you do, Charisma Magazine, all the way to where we are today. Thank you for your voice.
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And it's a privilege to be with you. But the things that I've seen regarding the do over year
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involve 2020 and now. And at the beginning of this year, every year I seek the Lord, I pray.
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And if he shows me something, I share it. If he doesn't, I don't. But at the beginning of the year,
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I saw that this year would be a do over year. And of course, we see the chiefs in the Super Bowl
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again. We see all these elements that are happening. You see Trump is now facing a woman
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once again. There's just a lot of do overs that are taking place. But I believe God brings do
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overs again and again until he gets his will accomplished. And so what I sense in this do
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over is God's wanting us to contend for victory, that we win. You know, the battle's not over until
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we win. And so a lot of people are believing a lot of different ways in all this. And I think when
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it comes to who's going to win the election, how this is going to go, I believe in this particular
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scenario, the Lord is saying it's in the hands of the church. If they will show up, I think there
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will be victory. If they don't, I think we're going to go into a very, very difficult season.
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But I sense, I sense victory coming. I sense strength coming. Steve, I believe God wants to
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see the goodness of the Lord magnified in the land of the living yet one more time.
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Well, I believe that too. And, you know, I wrote a book about Trump called God and Donald Trump,
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and we're not here to promote my book. But the whole purpose was about the prophecies,
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mainly with Kim Clement, but also Chuck Beers and some others, Lance Wallnau, who fell before 2016,
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that Trump would win. And it looked impossible up to and including election day. Yet he did.
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Then there were a lot of prophets saying he'd win in 2020. You know, looking back,
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I think a lot of people jumped on the bandwagon. And now here we are in the do-over year. And I'm
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not going to get you to say who you think is going to win. I mean, God is in control of that. But
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why do you think is going to happen if Trump doesn't win and Kamala Harris and the left get in?
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Well, if they do get in, I believe that we're headed for a socialist concentration camp style
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of governing. I think it's going to be digital prisons. I think that's where they'll try to take
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us over the next four or five, six years. And they'll let people like the World Economic Forum
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run free. They'll let the WHO run free, take away our medical sovereignty. We'll have all kinds of
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wonderful narratives from geniuses like Klaus Schwab, who will be saying, you will get the great
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reset and you will eat bugs and you will all do what I tell you and you will own nothing and love
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it. We'll get that kind of mess. I don't think that's where we're headed in this next cycle,
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Steve. I believe this. In 2015, I stood in Trump Tower speaking of do-overs. I was in the
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Chicago in 2015. I was looking out the window. I was praying and the Lord began to minister to me
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about the future of what America had in store. I was asking God, I said, is America going down? Is
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this over with? And the voice of God came to me so powerfully and said, no, America has one more
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round because the young lions are coming. I said, Lord, is Trump going to win? I was asking him this
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in 2015 and I kid you not, the spirit of the Lord said to me very clearly, I've not graced you to
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know that at this time, but I have spoken to Lance Wallnau. When I was in Chicago in that place,
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I recently saw Lance in the location I was standing when the Lord told me, I told Lance
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and he was in front of the clock tower out the window. He was standing in front of the window or
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sitting in front of the window with the clock tower behind him in Chicago and that do-over word came
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back to me again. I believe we are in for a do-over season and if we show up, I'm very,
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very convinced that we will see victory with Trump if the church rises to this occasion.
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I believe we can push darkness back one more round. I believe we can push it on its heels
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and we can maintain a future for our children, at least for another few years. I believe we
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can push it on its heels, at least for another few years. That's what I see.
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Well, I've had the opportunity to interview four presidents and I've been covering politics
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closely since the Reagan era. And one thing that I've observed and I want your opinion about this
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is it seems that Christians are generally kind of passive and you hear some of the polls that as
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a result of the
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Trump administration, they are afraid of the word of born again Christians of all types,
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don't even go to the polls. Now, I don't know how valid those polls are, but I just know from
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my own circle that there's a lot of apathy. There are a lot of spirit-filled people that don't want
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to do anything, but they keep their mouth shut. They don't go to the polls. They're afraid of
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being political. And I think they're being afraid of being canceled or they're afraid that people
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will hassle them or something. Why do you think this is and how do we turn that around?
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Well, I think we've had years of bad teaching, soft teaching. And the only thing worse than no
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Steve, as you know, is bad teaching. And when you have that kind of culture, I call it the pretty
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pony gospel culture, where people just really look at it and say, oh, it'll be fine. Here's the three
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steps to a better you. And don't worry about these things. They'll take care of themselves.
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And we've bought into this lie of the separation of church and state. But the state did not
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cooperate with that principle of separation of church and state in 2020 when the state decided
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to mess with the church. And so what I see happening is a lack of teaching, a lack of
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instruction. And they always cite Romans 13 that we've got to abide by the governing authorities
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that God has put into place. But if you get down to about verse three of Romans 13, it talks about
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these are ministers unto righteousness for your good. They're there to do good by the people.
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But what happens when these ministers or people in authority pervert the very purpose by which God
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put them in there? In other words, they turn from agents of good for the people, and they turn into
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agents of evil against the people. What do we do? Well, we need to enforce the laws of the land,
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and that's constitution in the United States of America. And I like to say it to the people of
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God or preachers and everybody, right now, your house is on fire. And if your house is on fire,
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you put it out. You got to put it out. And when we're looking at the nation right now,
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there are things that are literally on fire in our nation and in the governmental structure of
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things. And instead of hiding and watching and tucking and covering, we need to speak out
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and step up during this time. And I think that we can make a massive difference. So
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apathy comes from a lack of good teaching. Apathy comes from a lack of spiritual fathers.
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As it says in Corinthians, though you have 10,000 boy instructors, you have not many fathers,
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and fathers are those that lead by example, that you can imitate and step up. I personally
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believe this. When you really know the Spirit of God, you'll say what Jesus said to Herod. You tell
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that fox that today I'm going to do the miracles of God, and I'm going to go to this place and
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that place, and then I'll be perfected. Or John the Baptist, who spoke up when he should, and spoke
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out in politics. Or Paul, saying, I want to go to Rome and meet with Caesar, because he wanted to
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bring the truth. So I believe we don't need to make the whole message about politics or make the
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whole message about, you know, let's get our pitchforks and torches and storm the castle.
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But we definitely need to be salt and light and influencing this place, because it's not just
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about the gospel, it's also preaching the kingdom and bringing influence into all these spheres. I
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think it's very, very important. And we've given up our rights as the church, and those who forsake
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worthless idols, or those who regard worthless idols, Jonah said, forsake their own mercy.
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And we need to get away from looking at worthless things and start to look at what matters, and
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that's the future of our children.
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I agree with that. And I believe, or at least I hope, that the pendulum is starting to swing the
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other way, partly thanks to ministries like yours, Lance Wallnau, you know, there's others that we
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could name. But I don't think we're going to get that paradigm shift of people standing up and
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going to school board meetings or writing letters to the editor or whatever the current equivalent
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of that is between now and the election. But we can motivate people to go vote, even if it's a
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week before the election.
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That's right.
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How can, we have other things to talk about, but I think that the discussion is leading away. I
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want to know your opinion, because I want my listeners to know it. And to some extent, I want
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to know too, how can we motivate people who might stay home, who say, who've heard too many bad
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things about Donald Trump, don't want to vote for him because he does mean tweets. You know, I'd
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like to know how mean tweets equal some of the idiocy that's on the left with drag queens
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teaching children, transgender surgeries. You know, I mean, there's a list a mile long. I don't
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understand it, but yet there are people, I know people that say they're going to vote independent
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or not vote at all because they don't like either candidate. How do we motivate those people?
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Well, I think it's a lack of information. And I think it's just, we've got to begin to speak out
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as much as we can and honestly move them the best we can. But the bottom line is, is that, you know,
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I say it this way. I call them the wicked lizard overlords that are really, you know, run by their
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goblin masters, because most of these people that are just coming across with lunacy and just
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lulling the culture to sleep like the pied piper and saying, follow us down the happy trail here
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to your demise are really bought and paid for by nations like China. A lot of them really are.
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And so what we've got to do is we've got to confront this type of apathy. And I guess the
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only thing we can do is preach it from the rooftops, say it as strong as we can and trust
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that revelation knowledge will break through. We do our part and the spirit will do his part by
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waking people up. And boy, a man or woman with a revelation is not at the mercy of a culture going
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mad. And we've got to get them a revelation. And that comes through preaching. Okay, that's good.
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I want you to say it again. A man or woman with a revelation. If you have a revelation from God,
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like a word from the Lord, you're not at the mercy of a culture going mad. Now, will the church
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survive, Steve, if the nation goes down? Yeah, the church will be here. We will rise up, we'll
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preach the gospel under intense persecution, under duress. But we don't have to see that right now
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because the church is so busy regarding worthless idols, meaning the wrong messages, the wrong
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things. The litmus test was really when Roe v. Wade got overturned. When Roe v. Wade got overturned,
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so many churches didn't celebrate because they called it a complicated issue. And so,
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it's a complicated issue. It is not a complicated issue. We need to be celebrating those type of
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victories. And the Lord showed me in 2020 that the Supreme Court would overturn Roe v. Wade,
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and there would be an earthquake politically. And then Brett Barrett came out and said,
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politically, this is an earthquake. And I believe that gave us mercy and a longer round of mercy
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on this nation. But I think that we're running out of that time again. And Steve, I got to tell
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you, I believe if we begin to rise up and speak and celebrate when God brings us victory, I believe
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that there will be a supernatural longevity to this land. At the beginning of the year, I heard
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the words, it's either going to be fire for this nation or Nineveh, fire or Nineveh. And for
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national repentance to happen, I think it would be a lot like 9-11, right on the heels of September
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11th, 2001, when the nation softened its heart. When a nation just begins to return to its roots,
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national repentance, when it begins to soften and say, wait, we need to tender our hearts towards
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the Lord. We need to get in a position of saying, we need help here. I think if that begins to
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happen, even a little, I think mercy will be extended further for America.
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Well, I hope you're right. And I do know that the Lord speaks to you. In fact, the Lord gave you a
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word that turned out to be prophetic. It was the shot heard around the world. Of course, it was
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a short time later that there was that assassination attempt on President Trump. And I mean, it's just
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a miracle that he turned his head at a split second and survived that, which, humanly speaking,
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I believe that the fact that God spared his life means that God has a plan and purpose for him
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to be here. But regardless of that, the question I have for you is,
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that doesn't seem to be in the news much anymore. There doesn't seem to be any kind of investigation.
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Did this person act alone? How could he have gotten up on the roof with nobody finding him,
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et cetera, et cetera? Almost like there's some kind of censorship. What do you think is going on?
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I think you're nailing it right on the head, Steve. I think it is censorship. I think that
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the Babylonian system, these people, they want you to be quiet about it. They don't want to talk
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about it. They don't want to talk about it. They want to bring their agenda forward. But the good
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news is there's a grassroots uprising of people that are flooding through the gates right now.
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I believe we're way ahead in the polls. I did see that on June, I think it was June 7th. June 7th,
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I saw the shot heard around the world and there would be a redemptive instability that would come.
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Then it was the actual morning of it on July 13th. I heard eight hours before that terrible event
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happened, I was live and I said, I hear the shot heard around the world and it'll be like Paul
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Revere is going out to bring a message as well. I believe that took place in 2022. I wrote on my
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whiteboard prophetically while we were alive that 45, they would try to do JFK 245 with an assassination
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and then blame Iran. I wrote that on the board and that it was the spirit of Antichrist. That's
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really what we're fighting because the church thinks it's just politics. We're fighting the
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Antichrist that wants control and it wants to tell us to sit down and shut up. What we need to say is
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no, actually you move. We need to do it through the Holy Spirit with power and be absolute bold
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truth speakers. That's why I like you, Steve. Well, I want to ask you about the church. You say the
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church and of course the church is everything from the Roman Catholics on one end to the,
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what would be the other end? Maybe the Pentecostals. There are a lot of
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people who go to church. We call it the mainline church that barely emphasize salvation.
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We don't want to judge them. Then even within Protestantism, there's a lot of cessationists
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who believe that all this stuff is for the early church, who actually fight
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the work of the Holy Spirit. Then you have a lot of Pentecostals and Charismatics who say they
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believe it, but there isn't much to show for it. It's more like a doctrine. Once you start
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getting everything buddy off, why is it a small remnant? Who is the church and what's going to
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rise up? Also, if we actually believe in the power of the Holy Spirit and if the scriptures say,
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speak to the mountain and see it removed, why do you think we don't see more of that?
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Well, I think when the church was birthed in the book of Acts, I think the devil knew he
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couldn't beat it, Steve. He did the next best thing. He joined it. He joined the church
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and denominated the nation and began to separate people from one another. He denominated it. He
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began to put denominations in different places. We do this, we don't do that, we do that.
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The number one superpower in the world would be a united body of Christ, which is really the
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ecclesia. When you recognize that Jesus said it is upon that foundation, the ecclesia, that the gates
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of hell cannot overcome it. The devil, joining the church through ideas, modes, understanding,
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he tried to break apart the totality of strength that the church could have. That's the fight we're
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having. When people say, tongues isn't for today, the power is not for today, they get into all this
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sensationism and all that. I think the devil says, amen. Amen. We need a powerless church. That way,
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I can just keep doing whatever I want. You guys will try to intellectualize. This is the devil
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talking. Try to intellectualize him out the door. He will try to say, you can just intellectualize
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me away. He'll never go away until power shows up. That power comes through a united ecclesia
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that says the gates of hell can't touch this scenario. You move. I believe that's why. He
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joined the church and he brought confusion and a mixture of doctrine. Power is the thing that'll
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right-size that. I have a question that you've probably not been asked before, but I'm a few
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years older than you. I was a child in the 1950s. I remember the Pentecostal. Pentecostalism was
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really kind of waning. It was kind of getting dry. Churches were not growing. I remember the grown-ups
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praying for revival. They would weep and pray for revival. Revival to them was people coming to
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their Pentecostal churches. That did not happen. What did happen was the Charismatic movement in
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the Roman Catholic Church in 1967, the Jesus movement, which started in 68 or 69, and the
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Jesus movement, the Charismatic movement, and the Roman Catholic Charismatic movement that were
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like outside Pentecostal churches. Now, what happened according to my view, and I'll turn this
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back over to you because I want to know your opinion after I set up this question, is that the
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Pentecostals saw that God was using people outside their circles, and the Charismatic movement revived
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the Pentecostal churches. All the Pentecostal churches that grew were the ones who embraced
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the new Charismatics. So, my question is this, Joseph. Why is it going to take now? How do you
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see the Lord waking up the church? Because I don't think it's going to be the way that we're
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hoping and praying and thinking it's going to happen. I think that's great. I think if things
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are too small, Steve, men fight. But if things become big enough, men will unite. And what I
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believe will happen is that we're going to come to such a crisis, such an existential threat to the
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church and the future, that it might just be enough. When Goliath showed up and he went,
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fi, fi, fo, fum, and he said, give me your best fighter. Come on, give me your best.
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I believe that it produces a David. I believe it produces warriors that look at the darkness and
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they say, you know what? We're not backing up. There's some people, and I believe this is coming
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now, that just don't know how to lose. There's some people that are anointed by the Spirit of God,
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and they just don't know how to fail or lose. They're anointed to win every time. And I believe
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God's bringing that together because it's getting so serious. The threat is getting so big that I
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believe people will look past denominational lines. They'll look past things and say, okay,
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let's go fight about that later. But I think what we can do is take this territory and push back hell
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for this generation that's coming. So I think that the native tongue of the uninspired is criticism,
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Steve. And I believe criticism is going to be one of those things that they say, you know, it's not
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the fruit of the Spirit anymore. So let's just go ahead and actually be godly and let's win this
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generation for our children. I think we can do that, Catholics to Pentecostals to all of them.
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Well, praise God. I hope you're right. I hope I am too.
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Today, I was interested in finding out about what you believe that God is saying. I hope that people
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that are watching this will share this with people. We need to make this go viral. People need to know
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this. But we have a few more minutes and I want to ask you something I haven't had the chance to ask
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you about. And that's about your trip to Turkey, where you actually visited Noah's Ark. Now, why
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would you have made that long trip? And what did you discover? You know, it's interesting, Steve,
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we have so much going like yourself. I don't know how you keep up with it at all, but we have so
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much going and the Lord spoke to me and said, first of all, I want you to go with Rick Renner to the
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seven churches in Turkey. And I thought, I don't have time for this. We got a lot going. And the
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Lord spoke to me, said, I want you to go there. And then it was going to end with Noah's Ark. So
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we went to the seven churches of Turkey, went through all of it. This actually began, and I'll
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sum this up quickly, but this actually began about two years ago. I was in a meeting. I heard the
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Spirit of the Lord say to me nearly audibly in the meeting, Steve, come up here, come up higher,
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come up where I am. I said, Lord, what are you talking about? I know Revelation four, from there,
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one morning, several weeks later, the Lord said, go to the top of Pikes Peak. I stood on Pikes Peak
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and the Lord said, this is America's mountain. And I found out when you sing the song Purple Mountain
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Majesty, it's Pikes Peak. And that was America's mountain. So the Lord said, come up higher,
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put me on America's mountain, and then sent me to the seven churches in Revelation.
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As I'm going there, he said, he who has an ear to hear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the
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churches. I'm doing a thing no one would believe if it was told to them in the United States.
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And after that, I said, okay, what is the word, Lord? What is the word? And then at the end of
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this journey, I ended up in the mountains of Errat, plural, in Eastern Turkey, Armenia, on the
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Iran border with Rick Renner. And we're standing there and I'm on this structure that people believe
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is Noah's Ark. And I believe it's Noah's Ark, the Deir Eupenir site. I'm not here to argue that. I
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just really personally believe it is. And as I was standing there, that is when the word of the Lord
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came to me for what I believe is coming next for the United States, because I just had the word,
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come up higher, go to the top of Pikes Peak. Now I have an ear to hear and go through all the seven
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churches and I'm sending you as a watchman from America, back to America. And by the way,
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this happened right, we left for this journey when that solar eclipse happened back on April the 8th.
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We went for 40 days on this journey, Steve, 40 days. And as I'm standing on Noah's Ark on the
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last of that journey, the Spirit of the Lord spoke to me and said, I'm bringing you through a time
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of redemptive instability, redemptive instability. Just like Noah rose above all the flood and the
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do-over and the destruction, there's a redemption that's going to take place and a do-over. I
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believe we're on a four-year redemptive instability and I believe God wants to have a do-over.
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I believe that if we see the goodness of the Lord come into this next moment here, this fall,
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that I think we will see that. If we don't, the end will just come quicker and we'll preach the
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gospel and we'll all be high-fiving in the air. That's a very good way to look at it because it's
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like Bob Mumford said, and probably others have said, we've read the book and we know who wins in
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the end. We believe that. And in fact, if we believe that the millennium, the thousand years of peace,
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is going to happen after the seven years of tribulation and the other things that we read
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about in the book of Revelation, if that's the case, the quicker all that bad stuff happens,
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the quicker we get to the thousand years of peace. I think most of us, at least I grew
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up, and I've said this before, I grew up thinking that all this stuff would happen long after I was
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dead, but it seems like something is happening. And in fact, I'll just mention Jonathan Cahn's book
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that just released last week. It's one of the top selling books in the entire country. And he talks
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about the end of time, first time he's dealt with this. And he says that the Israel Hamas war,
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the ancient struggle between the Israelites and the Philistines is leading up to the dragon in
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the book of Revelation. I mean, it's amazing what he has to say. And I just throw that out there
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because I know that people are so interested in it kind of tied into what we were saying about the
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end of time. Jonathan's remarkable. He's remarkable. And it's amazing how the Lord shows him these
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things, just as it's amazing that the Lord shows you things. And really don't we believe that if
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the Holy Spirit dwells within us, that each of us can hear from God and prophesy. Most of us don't
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walk in that, but we can. So as we wrap up, I'd like for you to pray. Pray for our viewers,
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but also pray for America. Pray for this election that's coming up. However you feel led, please
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pray. We'll end with that, and then I'll come back with a few closing remarks.
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Lord, I break a chicken spirit off of every preacher that's listening to the sound of our
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voice. I break a spirit of fear, intimidation of some thug demon spirit that's trying to push
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people into a place of intimidation. I break that off every viewer. You don't have to be afraid.
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I bless you. I speak peace over you, boldness over you, strength over you, because even on a bad day,
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you're anointed to be the very best there is. God has called you to break yokes, break shackles,
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and go all the way to seeing the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. And I release that
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over you. I release healing. I release mental clarity. I release the goodness of God in every
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area of your life. And I come against this crisis fatigue that has fought believers. It's time to be
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bold. It's time to lean in. I give you permission to not fear, to not worry, but to show up and do
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all God's called you to do. You're blessed, and what God has blessed cannot be cursed. We got a
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bright future in Jesus' name. I bless you all. Amen. Wasn't that a powerful prayer? I hope that
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you prayed along with Joseph Z. I hope that you will share this with others. If you like these
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